The gaming world moves with consoles, so why do I NEED a gaming PC?

Those generational leaps wouldn't be happening to the extent that they are without PC gaming pushing hardware incrementally. Also PC has it's own world. We almost exclusively talk about mainstream gaming here which is why you don't see much of it, but under the surface PC has many vibrant gaming ecosystems that are separate from the monotonous big-budget, ad-driven gaming scene many of us only know or care about.

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Actualy we do get Fables and 360 doesn't get titles like Dead State, King's Bounty, Old Republic, new Shadowrun, Guild Wars 2, Wildstar, Neverwinter, Planetside 2, Firefall or Arma III

adamosmaki

Fable 2 and Fable JOurney will never be on PC actually, so no, PC does not get all Fable series

Also i dont care for any of the games you mention, are they 9.5/10 ones like Dark Souls and offline single player RPGs that i care about ?

All i cared for was Witcher 2 and that one is coming to my 360

They do count, but not for me

I never played MMO or liked their quality as games

Also i had enough of strategy games, they all seem so same to me now and i rarely play them anymore

Also i had enough of strategy games, they all seem so same to me now and i rarely play them anymore

loosingENDS

The games, it has more exclusives this gen than all 3 consoles combined. Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"]The games, it has more exclusives this gen than all 3 consoles combined. SquirrelTamer

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

PC: 16 AAAE + 91 AAE = 107
PS3:1 AAAAE +8 AAAE +19 AAE =28
360: 9 AAAE + 17 AAE =26
Wii: 1 AAAAE + 4 AAAE + 30 AAE = 35

All three consoles: 89

107 > 89, Charles.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="Heil68"]The games, it has more exclusives this gen than all 3 consoles combined. waltefmoney

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

PC: 16 AAAE + 91 AAE = 107
PS3:1 AAAAE +8 AAAE +19 AAE =28
360: 9 AAAE + 17 AAE =26
Wii: 1 AAAAE + 4 AAAE + 30 AAE = 35

All three consoles: 89

107 > 89, Charles.

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

SquirrelTamer

That's not how the System Wars Metagame works.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

waltefmoney

That's not how the System Wars Metagame works.

And what are these doing here,Crysis and The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings??That means it's 23>14

Well, the consoles don't have good strategy games. The don't have Mount & Blade. No ARMA 2. No Il-2 Sturmovik, or any respectable flight simulators I guess. No Trackmania, or SPAZ or Minecraft, Terraria, Project Zomboid or other awesome indie games. Then they get the inferior versions of some really good games, like Oblivion, Deus Ex, Crysis, Fallout, Just Cause 2, etc. etc.

I think the better question is "Why would anybody want a console over a PC if they could afford a good PC?"

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[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

SquirrelTamer

That's not how the System Wars Metagame works.

Of course it does. Consoles=Quality, PC(lol)=QuantitySquirrelTamer

AAE games are considered quality games, Charles. That's why they're a part of the metagame. Just because you think games like Killzone 3, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune andValkyria Chronicles are crap doesn't mean they are.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

That's not how the System Wars Metagame works.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]Of course it does. Consoles=Quality, PC(lol)=Quantitywaltefmoney

AAE games are considered quality games, Charles. That's why they're a part of the metagame. Just because you think games like Killzone 3, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune andValkyria Chronicles are crap doesn't mean they are.

You guys trying to argue with As or whatever, you're doing it wrong. A mediocre game on PC is generally the equivalent of a Pretty Good game on consoles.

Well at least they cannot be given the same importance as AAAA and AAA. And why you calling me charles? It's not my name where you get this from?SquirrelTamer

In the metagame? They can and they have.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]Well at least they cannot be given the same importance as AAAA and AAA. And why you calling me charles? It's not my name where you get this from?waltefmoney

In the metagame? They can and they have.

What? SquirrelTamer

It doesn't matter if a game scored AAAE or AAE, it still holds the same weight in the metagame. Do I really need to explain this to you? You've been here a long time.

deal with it

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]What? waltefmoney

It doesn't matter if a game scored AAAE or AAE, it still holds the same weight in the metagame. Do I really need to explain this to you? You've been here a long time.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"] Definitely not. At least if you only count AAAA, AAA & AA SquirrelTamer

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

PC: 16 AAAE + 91 AAE = 107
PS3:1 AAAAE +8 AAAE +19 AAE =28
360: 9 AAAE + 17 AAE =26
Wii: 1 AAAAE + 4 AAAE + 30 AAE = 35

All three consoles: 89

107 > 89, Charles.

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

I'd say it's a testament to the predominance of PC gaming when it takes 3 platforms and asinine rules (AA games crap, seriously?) for it to be comparable without decimating the competition.

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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

PC: 16 AAAE + 91 AAE = 107
PS3:1 AAAAE +8 AAAE +19 AAE =28
360: 9 AAAE + 17 AAE =26
Wii: 1 AAAAE + 4 AAAE + 30 AAE = 35

All three consoles: 89

107 > 89, Charles.

hypoty

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

I'd say it's a testament to the predominance of PC gaming when it takes 3 platforms and asinine rules (AA games crap, seriously?) for it to be comparable without decimating the competition.

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[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

SquirrelTamer

I'd say it's a testament to the predominance of PC gaming when it takes 3 platforms and asinine rules (AA games crap, seriously?) for it to be comparable without decimating the competition.

Lol PS3 alone has more AAA. And 2 AAAA. The PC only has more in AA and A AKA the crap games

SquirrelTamer

So now we're not talking about exclusives anymore, but mixing in multiplats as well?

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

I'd say it's a testament to the predominance of PC gaming when it takes 3 platforms and asinine rules (AA games crap, seriously?) for it to be comparable without decimating the competition.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

Lol PS3 alone has more AAA. And 2 AAAA. The PC only has more in AA and A AKA the crap games

So now we're not talking about exclusives anymore, but mixing in multiplats as well?

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

Take away the AAE. Cause everyone knows AAE games are crap.

23>16. AAAAAWW YEAHHH

SquirrelTamer

I'd say it's a testament to the predominance of PC gaming when it takes 3 platforms and asinine rules (AA games crap, seriously?) for it to be comparable without decimating the competition.

I thought we only counted AAAe games when comparing platforms? Or are we grouping consoles together for for multiplats now? Also check this out, Gamespot is missing a bunch of PC multiplat reviews so going by anything other than exclusives doesn't do justice to the metagame, unless we act as if games that aren't reviewed simply don't exist. Who needs reality anyway?

They're exclusive to consoles. Cause that's what this is about isn't it? Consoles vs PC. If you buy a PS3 or an xbox you will have a bigger selection of AAA and AAAA games to choose from. SquirrelTamer

That's true. And if you buy a gaming PC you will have a bigger selection of quality games that you can't play on PS3 or Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

I'd say it's a testament to the predominance of PC gaming when it takes 3 platforms and asinine rules (AA games crap, seriously?) for it to be comparable without decimating the competition.

I thought we only counted AAAe games when comparing platforms? Or are we grouping consoles together for multiplats? Also check this out, Gamespot is missing a bunch of PC multiplat reviews so going by anything other than exclusives doesn't do justice to the metagame, unless we act as if games that aren't reviwed simply don't exist. Who needs reality anyway?

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]They're exclusive to consoles. Cause that's what this is about isn't it? Consoles vs PC. If you buy a PS3 or an xbox you will have a bigger selection of AAA and AAAA games to choose from. waltefmoney

That's true. And if you buy a gaming PC you will have a bigger selection of quality games that you can't play on PS3 or Xbox 360.

How does that makes sense?SquirrelTamer

AAE games are quality games, C. Your personal opinion won't change the rules.

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[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"] Lol PS3 alone has more AAA. And 2 AAAA. The PC only has more in AA and A AKA the crap games

SquirrelTamer

I thought we only counted AAAe games when comparing platforms? Or are we grouping consoles together for multiplats? Also check this out, Gamespot is missing a bunch of PC multiplat reviews so going by anything other than exclusives doesn't do justice to the metagame, unless we act as if games that aren't reviwed simply don't exist. Who needs reality anyway?

This thread wasn't about games, scores, the metagame or grouping consoles, its only been derailed by score discussion. You replied to this post:

"The games, it has more exclusives this gen than all 3 consoles combined."

Which is technicallycorrectas we don't count console multiplats as exclusives here, and even if we did it would still be relevant as he didn't specify AAA exclusives. This whole thread and argument has been twisted beyond recognition.

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[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"] Lol PS3 alone has more AAA. And 2 AAAA. The PC only has more in AA and A AKA the crap games

SquirrelTamer

I thought we only counted AAAe games when comparing platforms? Or are we grouping consoles together for multiplats? Also check this out, Gamespot is missing a bunch of PC multiplat reviews so going by anything other than exclusives doesn't do justice to the metagame, unless we act as if games that aren't reviwed simply don't exist. Who needs reality anyway?

Crysis and Witcher 2 are no longer PC exclusives

In fact Crytek is now making a 360 exclusive, Ryse

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]How does that makes sense?waltefmoney

AAE games are quality games, C. Your personal opinion won't change the rules.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="hypoty"]

I thought we only counted AAAe games when comparing platforms? Or are we grouping consoles together for multiplats? Also check this out, Gamespot is missing a bunch of PC multiplat reviews so going by anything other than exclusives doesn't do justice to the metagame, unless we act as if games that aren't reviwed simply don't exist. Who needs reality anyway?

This thread wasn't about games, scores, the metagame or grouping consoles, its only been derailed by score discussion. You replied to this post:

"The games, it has more exclusives this gen than all 3 consoles combined."

Which is technicallycorrectas we don't count console multiplats as exclusives here. This whole thread and arguement has been twisted beyond recognition.

In fact Crytek is now making a 360 exclusive, Ryse

loosingENDS

Yeah,a kinect game lol.

Consoles still win. And what rules? I rather have more AAA than A or AA. Don't care about the rules.SquirrelTamer

Then why post this:

Definitely not. At least if you only count AAAA, AAA & AA SquirrelTamer

:|

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

In fact Crytek is now making a 360 exclusive, Ryse

Arach666

Yeah,a kinect game lol.

Actually it is a pad game, that will use Kinect as option

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]Consoles still win. And what rules? I rather have more AAA than A or AA. Don't care about the rules.waltefmoney

Then why post this:

Definitely not. At least if you only count AAAA, AAA & AA SquirrelTamer

:|

I was wrong ok?SquirrelTamer

Okay. :)

I guess you could say that while gaming world moves with consoles, it moves to where pcgaming points it first. :)

Well, the consoles don't have good strategy games. The don't have Mount & Blade. No ARMA 2. No Il-2 Sturmovik, or any respectable flight simulators I guess. No Trackmania, or SPAZ or Minecraft, Terraria, Project Zomboid or other awesome indie games. Then they get the inferior versions of some really good games, like Oblivion, Deus Ex, Crysis, Fallout, Just Cause 2, etc. etc.

I think the better question is "Why would anybody want a console over a PC if they could afford a good PC?"

xLittlekillx

deal with it

xLittlekillx

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Well, the consoles don't have good strategy games. The don't have Mount & Blade. No ARMA 2. No Il-2 Sturmovik, or any respectable flight simulators I guess. No Trackmania, or SPAZ or Minecraft, Terraria, Project Zomboid or other awesome indie games. Then they get the inferior versions of some really good games, like Oblivion, Deus Ex, Crysis, Fallout, Just Cause 2, etc. etc.

I think the better question is "Why would anybody want a console over a PC if they could afford a good PC?"

lowe0

deal with it

xLittlekillx

This kind of attitude is everywhere.

Try to say something bad about Demon Souls/Dark Souls, fanboys will swarm all over you that you are a casual inferior gamer that should return to Fable and other easy Xbox games. (This actually happened to me)

How about "hardcore" gamers blaming "casuals and noobs" that Epic balanced the game in a way that even the people who play less can have fun with the game and get at least some kills in Gears 3.

How many times have you seen 360/PS3 gamers looking down on the Wii as a last gen kiddie toy?

I have a space hopper, so do I really need a car to get to work or should I just hop the 5 miles?

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Well, the consoles don't have good strategy games. The don't have Mount & Blade. No ARMA 2. No Il-2 Sturmovik, or any respectable flight simulators I guess. No Trackmania, or SPAZ or Minecraft, Terraria, Project Zomboid or other awesome indie games. Then they get the inferior versions of some really good games, like Oblivion, Deus Ex, Crysis, Fallout, Just Cause 2, etc. etc.

I think the better question is "Why would anybody want a console over a PC if they could afford a good PC?"

lowe0

deal with it

xLittlekillx

Hah, wow, that's actually quite funny.

Well then it's your loss not hanging with the basement dwelling neckbeard PC gamers, and missing out on all the fun.

Right up there with 'I don't play Nintendo games because I don't want to assocaite with the weeaboos'.

Games move generations with consoles, and its pretty well known. PC's can do amazing things, but its not like an entire generation in graphics.

As pretty as a PC game can look, it has to work on consoles too, and even today you're still getting around medium settings with most games (and BF3 being low apparently).

Not a bad thing for PC's though. You might hear PC gamers complain that consoles hold back the power of a PC, but that's just not true. I can remember a time when PC's required constant upgrading to keep in touch with the best games. Now, you can still play games with an old 8800 due to the optimization consoles bring in a generation.

Its a question I've often wondered... folks be very passionate about how epic it is being a PC gamer as opposed to being a console gamer and I can see the hotness in having a crystal clear resolution and 60fps etc etc etc... but when all is said and done, is the juice worth the squeeze? This industry does not move in cycles based on the PC, meaning games dont evolve from generation to generation based on PC only games, but rather by the consoles... so in short, while admittedly the PC offers a premium performance for a premium price, my gameplay experience moves with the console generation and filters through or along side what PC is doing.

Now Im sure this will all be misunderstood by the system wars ilk, but I stand by it. If PC offered a new style of gaming that was a must have experience, id be first to jump, but again console development is what moves te generation forward.

TheEroica

No one NEED's a gaming PC or any of the consoles for that matter. Regardless of the SW claims, all that really matter is whether a given platform suits your personal preferences. There are a couple of different reasons why I prefer my PC over my consoles:

There's a number of genres that I enjoy, that a severely under represented on the consoles. For example, all variations of the strategy genres are almost non existent (RTS's TBS, city builders, 4x's and so on).

In addition, I find the current PC market far more interesting and diverse than the console game market (note that I'm not saying it's necessarily better). While there's currently a big overlap in terms of multi-plats and ports of various kinds, I'm seeing more and more truly different and innovative titles appear on the PC, both from indie developers and from minor studios outside the more established industry.

I do think most of the big budget 'Michael Bay / James Cameron' style games appears on all platforms with a clear focus on making sure that they work well on consoles. Games like Call of Duty, Uncharted, Mass Effect, Grand Theft Auto are all feeling more and more like block buster Hollywood movies. Now there's nothing wrong with that and if that's the style of gaming you tend to enjoy the most, I think the consoles are pretty much as good as a PC (sure there's some technical differences and we can argue about the exclusives and so on, but they are pretty close to one another).

What makes the PC the superior platform for me personally is that in addition to the big budget rollercoaster's, I'm seeing a flood of new concepts, new ideas, new ways of gaming, new ways of selling games and so on. I think some of these changes and innovations will in time start appearing on the consoles while others will be forgotten again. But I enjoy being part of the experiment and I love seeing the first signs of where tomorrows gaming might be heading, and for that, I think the PC is the better platform.