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Having to scrap for 2nd place in 2012 after already having a world-wide established brand name + dominating a generation ago =/= impressive. Not that I give a dam about sales, but come on.limpbizkit818as business person myself, thats true. Anyway, If winning a gen is based on sales, then call of duty is the best series this gen.
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]
Though the gap in the US market that matters the most is widening and is not 20+ million or more
Which means PS3 is non existent in US right now and soon will be same in Europe
That is why games sell 2-10x better on xbox 360 than PS3
loosingENDS
You claim to be from europe... why would the US market matter most? Why do you hate the PS3 so much? Before you say you own one, everyoen know that is a lie.
I dont hate PS3, why would i hate a system ?
I only hate the blineded PS3 fans that think casual 5 hour shooters like Uncharted are the best in gaming, when it is actually the very worst by miles and hat gaming should never become
I definatly hate SOny for spending time and money making such garbage, while not supporting Demons Souls for example
And yet, by your sig, you're supporting Kinect...
stfu lemming, you're embarassing yourself
[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]
[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
You claim to be from europe... why would the US market matter most? Why do you hate the PS3 so much? Before you say you own one, everyoen know that is a lie.
tenaka2
I dont hate PS3, why would i hate a system ?
I only hate the blineded PS3 fans that think casual 5 hour shooters like Uncharted are the best in gaming, when it is actually the very worst by miles and hat gaming should never become
I definatly hate SOny for spending time and money making such garbage, while not supporting Demons Souls for example
You hate blind fans? Do you not think that is a bit ironic?
Yes but he wouldn't be a blind fan if he didn't call others blind fans. And come on, its obviously all damage control, why else would someone show up to a thread to bash PS3 when PS3 is succeeding over someone's plastic wife in sales?
[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Lol i bet you lemming cannot wait for next gen console to arrive while the 360 still have that lead over ps3, too bad that wont stop the current gen console from sellingYeah but Ms can say officially that Xbox 360 sold more than ps3 this gen.Too bad ps3 wont overtake Xbox 360 until after the next gen begins with Wii U.
j_assassin
I only hate the blineded PS3 fans that think casual 5 hour shooters like Uncharted are the best in gamingloosingENDSSo you think all professional game reviewers are blind PS3 fanboys? You must because the general consensus in the industry is that the Uncharted series is a great-amazing series based upon review scores.
Profit wise, Sony lost a ton of cash while the Xbox brand finally became profitable this gen -- MS: 1 | Sony: 0
Sony lost 44% marketshare and MS gained 17% -- MS: 2 | Sony: 0
Kinect is overall a much better proposition than Move, which is basically Wii HD and the sales reflect this -- MS: 3 | Sony: 0
I'm sure XBLA sales > PSN sales, plus MS has profited alot from subs. MS proved this gen that they are a competent company and adaptable aswell.
Its like the Megadrive and the SNES all over again, just without mad advertising like Sega do what Nintendo'nt, sony should really pull that out and bash kinect considering its cows favourite arguement these weathers.
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It's teh SP, it's this topic again, ya know what's coming....
:P
KiZZo1
Does that also apply to graphics?
Yup, PC is king with the HD twins long in the tooth. :P[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]
[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]
It's teh SP, it's this topic again, ya know what's coming....
:P
SecretPolice
Does that also apply to graphics?
Yup, PC is king with the HD twins long in the tooth. :P pc will always be the king as for consoles.. hmmm i wonder who have been winning the gfx awards from most sites since 2008 ??[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Yup, PC is king with the HD twins long in the tooth. :P pc will always be the king as for consoles.. hmmm i wonder who have been winning the gfx awards from most sites since 2008 ??C'mon, don't piss off the cows by bringing Crysis 2, 360 version into this. :twisted:[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]
Does that also apply to graphics?
shadiezz2012
Profit wise, Sony lost a ton of cash while the Xbox brand finally became profitable this gen -- MS: 1 | Sony: 0
Sony lost 44% marketshare and MS gained 17% -- MS: 2 | Sony: 0
Kinect is overall a much better proposition than Move, which is basically Wii HD and the sales reflect this -- MS: 3 | Sony: 0
I'm sure XBLA sales > PSN sales, plus MS has profited alot from subs. MS proved this gen that they are a competent company and adaptable aswell.
SuperFlakeman
And why the f*ck should that matter to gamers when they have no games to play on the 360? PS3 wins for gamers. 360 wins for shareholders
pc will always be the king as for consoles.. hmmm i wonder who have been winning the gfx awards from most sites since 2008 ??C'mon, don't piss off the cows by bringing Crysis 2, 360 version into this. :twisted:[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Yup, PC is king with the HD twins long in the tooth. :P
SecretPolice
Lol, If I'm not mistaken (and I'm sure I'm not) U3 completly pwnd Crysis 2 360 version last year when it comes to graphics awards... Q_Q more lemmings
pc will always be the king as for consoles.. hmmm i wonder who have been winning the gfx awards from most sites since 2008 ??C'mon, don't piss off the cows by bringing Crysis 2, 360 version into this. :twisted: lol you are funny man[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Yup, PC is king with the HD twins long in the tooth. :P
SecretPolice
crysis 2 only won one gfx award from here and it was for pc wth dx11 not consoles
2011 gfx awards gone for uncharted 3
Spike Best Graphics
IGN Best overrall Graphics
IGN Best Ps3 Graphics
****CC Best Graphics
GamesRadar Best Graphics Award
Edge Best Visual Design
Mediakick Best Visuals
GameTrailers Best Ps3 Graphics
GameTrailers Best Overrall Graphics
IGA Best Cinematography
TheDarkPodcast Best 3D Graphics
TheDarkPodcast Best Graphics
VGChartz Best Overrall Graphics Technology
VGChartz Best Overrall Graphics Technology (Readers choice)
VGChartz Best Ps3 Graphics Technology
OPM Best Graphic award
GameZone Best Graphics (Technical)
IGN Best Graphics (Readers choice)
IGN Best PS3 Graphics (Readers choice)
Nerdreactor Best Graphics
PSXextreme Best Graphics
Machinima Best Game Cinematography
TGA Best Graphics
AIAS Outstanding Achievement in Animation
AIAS Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction
AIAS Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering
AustralianPSMag Best Technical Achievement .
GameChronicles Best Cinematic Visuals
GameChronicles Best Graphics
DarkStation Best Graphics
C'mon, don't piss off the cows by bringing Crysis 2, 360 version into this. :twisted: lol you are funny man[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]
[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] pc will always be the king as for consoles.. hmmm i wonder who have been winning the gfx awards from most sites since 2008 ??shadiezz2012
crysis 2 only won one gfx award from here and it was for pc wth dx11 not consoles
2011 gfx awards gone for uncharted 3
Spike Best Graphics
IGN Best overrall Graphics
IGN Best Ps3 Graphics
****CC Best Graphics
GamesRadar Best Graphics Award
Edge Best Visual Design
Mediakick Best Visuals
GameTrailers Best Ps3 Graphics
GameTrailers Best Overrall Graphics
IGA Best Cinematography
TheDarkPodcast Best 3D Graphics
TheDarkPodcast Best Graphics
VGChartz Best Overrall Graphics Technology
VGChartz Best Overrall Graphics Technology (Readers choice)
VGChartz Best Ps3 Graphics Technology
OPM Best Graphic award
GameZone Best Graphics (Technical)
IGN Best Graphics (Readers choice)
IGN Best PS3 Graphics (Readers choice)
Nerdreactor Best Graphics
PSXextreme Best Graphics
Machinima Best Game Cinematography
TGA Best Graphics
AIAS Outstanding Achievement in Animation
AIAS Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction
AIAS Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering
AustralianPSMag Best Technical Achievement .
GameChronicles Best Cinematic Visuals
GameChronicles Best Graphics
DarkStation Best Graphics
Pfft, The award that trumps all those is .... Teh SP Best Graphics Award ..... went to Crysis 2 with Gears 3 as a close 2nd soooo ya know, the SP is teh best at counting an extra pixel here and a missing poly there sooo, just sayin. :twisted:K, gosh, I really don't care and messinround so lets get back to...
If ya ain't 1st, you're last. :P
I have to admit though, arguing for second place is dumb. Wii wins in sales, PC wins in graphics, Wii wins in high scores (for MC and GS), PC wins in variety and indie titles.
Either way they're second banana, 360 has sold more then PS3 but less then Wii by miles, PS3 has more great games now, but less then Wii in score and PC in number. Its just so pointless.
Exclusives don't matter for sales. Price does. The console that gets to 149.99, then 99.99 first will be in 2nd place. But we are silly to think that M$ or Sony care about being in 2nd vs 3rd place. They are concerned about profit.PS3 will definitely overtake the 360 considering the amount of great exclusives coming out for it. Turns out that having a rough launch but a smooth ending is a good move.
GamerwillzPS
C'mon, don't piss off the cows by bringing Crysis 2, 360 version into this. :twisted:[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]
[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] pc will always be the king as for consoles.. hmmm i wonder who have been winning the gfx awards from most sites since 2008 ??4dr1el
Lol, If I'm not mistaken (and I'm sure I'm not) U3 completly pwnd Crysis 2 360 version last year when it comes to graphics awards... Q_Q more lemmings
Considering the 360 has a larger game library and more AAA,AA and A games then the PS3 I think 360 fans are doing just fine.At this point does it even matter? Both consoles are at the end of their lifetime.
Blue-Sky
Not according to the heads of MS and Sony who claim they won't be releasing or showing off new systems anytime soon.
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At this point does it even matter? Both consoles are at the end of their lifetime.
SPYDER0416
Not according to the heads of MS and Sony who claim they won't be releasing or showing off new systems anytime soon.
even when that happen ps3 won't stop selling and will still have new gameslol. 6 years in and cows are still saying "just wait". Pathetic little worms. You lost. Deal with it.
you didn't find any thing to say so you are trying to make your self look like a Smarta**-I did find something to say, and I said it. You also ignored it:|, so Ill post it again:
[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"] Any proof that it wont be $599, and that "Sony wont make that mistake again"? ;) You really need to come up with a new retort. shadiezz2012
good for you hate sony even more
-I dont hate anyone or any thing, especially not a videogame company.
keep saying sony is doomed they are evil
-didnt say any of that, but ok :lol:
BTW what is your PSN ?? let's play any game you want on ps3 what you say ;)
-Yea, lets not and say we did
:|
:? wut lolWell i would laugh if MS would bring a new console and Sony would just give a pack with a new graphic card, cooling system, an extra RAM stick and manual to insert it for 1/4 the price of the MS console:P
Mar_Sama
A one million gap is still significant.
Sagem28
When both systems have sold over 60 million units, no 1 million difference is not significant at all.
:lol: it doesnt matter. sony already lostmems_1224
this gen isnt over is it? or do you live in future land with the kinect box, wii U and the orbis?
your figures are off, at the end of last year the Ps3 was at 62.0 million, the xbox 360 was at 65.8 million so Xbox 360 65.8+1.78 million=67.58 million Ps3 62.0+2.27=64.27 million So the gap is actually 3.31 million this is based on SONY's own figures found here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642 hello delta nice to see you man[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]
"During Nintendo?s Investor presentation yesterday, the company revealed that the 3DS is dominating all platforms globally for 2012. Its data also revealed that Sony?s PS3 is leading so far this year from a home console standpoint. According to the investor report the PS3 is the number one selling console in Europe currently ahead of the Xbox 360 and Wii. The Xbox 360 is leading in the US while the PS3 is again leading in Japan. The total global sales for the PS3 put it at an estimated 2.27 million units year-to-date, with the Xbox 360 following behind it with an estimated 1.78 million units. The Nintendo Wii is straggling behind with 1.28 million units. "
so ps3 was 63.8m and now it sold 2.27m so it's now total 66.67m
xbox was at 65.9m and now it's sold 1.78 so total is 67.68m
so the gap now is 1.01m
and the source is "Nintendo?s Investor presentation"
http://gamer.blorge.com/2012/04/28/sony-leading-worldwide-console-sales-with-the-ps3-in-2012/
both consoles are almost even in sales
add to that ps3 launched after the xbox360
that's impressive
shadiezz2012
alot of sites show ps3 at 63.8m and that number is after Dec
and that's was son'y 3Q
where is their 4Q???
xbox360 numbers are from the 4Q
so i think it's true
let's wait and see sony/ms 1Q in 2012
nice to see you too man, anyway, it's because MS and SONY's fiscal year end at different times, the figures on that site are from january 2011 to dec 2011 for both consoles, the 360 actually outsold the Ps3 Worldwide by 0.8 million units last year, the first year the PS3 has not outsold the 360 worldwide since 2007, anyway, i was just pointing out your figures are a little off, as far as your argument that they are virtually neck and neck, i agree when we are talking 60+ million units 3 million units is only 5% which is a very small margin.Fighting over second place in the last year of the generation is fun! Zevianderthis is wat I've been training for. the time has come
[QUOTE="mems_1224"]:lol: it doesnt matter. sony already lostrazgriz_101
this gen isnt over is it? or do you live in future land with the kinect box, wii U and the orbis?
what im saying is that it doesnt matter is sony passes the xbox at this point. sony had such a stranglehold on the industry last gen that just taking a piece of that away is a win. sony s*** the bed this gen and let MS become a big player in the industry. im surprised its taken them this long tbhSo we're using Nintendo's guesstimate numbers for MS and Sony sales now? I'm sure Sony and MS share actual numbers with Nintendo. Because as we know corporations love to share information with their competition. That's ok I'll wait for the quarterly reports from Sony, and MS for actual estimates of sales.
Sony has fallen so far this gen even if they somehow squeak into 2nd place they're still the biggest looser this gen.
:lol: hey look, a pro ps3 topic which means the cows precious level 10 to post rule gets thrown out the window.:lol:"During Nintendo?s Investor presentation yesterday, the company revealed that the 3DS is dominating all platforms globally for 2012. Its data also revealed that Sony?s PS3 is leading so far this year from a home console standpoint. According to the investor report the PS3 is the number one selling console in Europe currently ahead of the Xbox 360 and Wii. The Xbox 360 is leading in the US while the PS3 is again leading in Japan. The total global sales for the PS3 put it at an estimated 2.27 million units year-to-date, with the Xbox 360 following behind it with an estimated 1.78 million units. The Nintendo Wii is straggling behind with 1.28 million units. "
so ps3 was 63.8m and now it sold 2.27m so it's now total 66.07m
xbox was at 65.9m and now it's sold 1.78 so total is 67.68m
so the gap now is 1.51m
and the source is "Nintendo?s Investor presentation"
http://gamer.blorge.com/2012/04/28/sony-leading-worldwide-console-sales-with-the-ps3-in-2012/
both consoles are almost even in sales
add to that ps3 launched after the xbox360
that's impressive
shadiezz2012
lol, you dudes are so lame.
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