The Half Life games are comparable to the band Tool (Poll)

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#1 Dataleak
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The poll supposes to say "an", not "and". :(

I've noticed alot of people claiming the Half Life series to be overrated, boring, generic... And I've come to the conclusion that these said must have completely missed the compelling Orwellian story that Valve created. The Half Life series require your attention. They're also multilayered, and have incredible replay value. You start to see things that you may have missed. This is where the band Tool comes in. Alot of people I know find the band Tool to be boring, tedious, slow paced, generic, ect, but the same rules apply. Listening to Tool without understanding the meaning of the songs is only half of the experience. Am I digging too deep, or should I accept the fact that some people just don't find Half Lifes story interesting?

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#3 Hahadouken
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... I have no idea what this is about. I love Tool though. Nothing has topped Aenema, but I love all their albums.
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#4 doobie1975
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whats a band tool ?

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#5 RedruM_I
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Tool = Win
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#6 Dataleak
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... I have no idea what this is about. I love Tool though. Nothing has topped Aenema, but I love all their albums.Hahadouken

Same. :D Can't wait for the new album. I was trying to convey that, playing Half Life 2 without understanding the story is like listening to Tool without knowing the lyrics.

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#7 SRTtoZ
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I dont even know what this thread is about but TOOL is awesome. Saw them live. Its the only band I know who isnt Mainstream but can fill the garden in 3 seconds flat.

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#8 Ugalde-
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All I know is freeman=hugh laurie with glasses.

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Exactly.
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#9 locopatho
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What is Half Life's story though? It's ultimately aliens invade and take over, you fight them. As a mute...
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#10 SparkyProtocol
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Tool = WinRedruM_I
Yeah, I like how their lyrics aren't crap.
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#11 Dataleak
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What is Half Life's story though? It's ultimately aliens invade and take over, you fight them. As a mute...locopatho

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

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#12 kussese
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Tool = WinRedruM_I

This. I'm not a fan of Half Life though, so I can't say that I'd compare the two in terms of quality.

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#13 shadow_hosi
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tool is not garbage...
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#14 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]Tool = Winkussese

This. I'm not a fan of Half Life though, so I can't say that I'd compare the two in terms of quality.

Nothing compares to Tool. But do you understand what I mean by, listening to Tool without knowing the lyrics compared to knowing the lyrics, increases their awesomeness by tenfold? :P I think alot of people missed alot of the small things which makes Half Life such an amazing experience.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]What is Half Life's story though? It's ultimately aliens invade and take over, you fight them. As a mute...Dataleak

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

After 10+ years and multiple games: We don't know what the Gman is. We don't know much about the Combine, just their Earth soldiers. We saw one "Advisor" for a split second and that's it for their leadership. We don't know much of anything, it's all just weird and mysterious for the sake of it, like Lost was back in the start (I stopped watching after season 2)
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... I have no idea what this is about. I love Tool though. Nothing has topped Aenema, but I love all their albums.Hahadouken

I like Tool and Half Life.

I have to respectfully disagree and say that Lateralus was their best. All my friends agree with you, though.

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#17 Killfox
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Tool is my 1/2 favorite band.
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#18 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]What is Half Life's story though? It's ultimately aliens invade and take over, you fight them. As a mute...locopatho

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

After 10+ years and multiple games: We don't know what the Gman is. We don't know much about the Combine, just their Earth soldiers. We saw one "Advisor" for a split second and that's it for their leadership. We don't know much of anything, it's all just weird and mysterious for the sake of it, like Lost was back in the start (I stopped watching after season 2)

Then you obviously never paid attention to the story. The Combine were the reason why the aliens fled to Xen, which then resulting them to fleeing to Earth. The Combine take the form of the most dominent force on a planet (hence why they're human), they're not just "Earth Soldiers" :roll: And the Gman is starting to expose himself. :P

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#19 finalfantasy94
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I dont care for tool at all.

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#20 Killfox
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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]... I have no idea what this is about. I love Tool though. Nothing has topped Aenema, but I love all their albums.WardCleaver02

I like Tool and Half Life.

I have to respectfully disagree and say that Lateralus was their best. All my friends agree with you, though.

No, I agree with you. As much as I loved aenema. Lateralus is my favorite. The grudge is an amazing song. Ive actually been more fond of undertow and am really appreciating it a lot more. all in all tool is amazing.
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#21 WardCleaver02
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All I know is freeman=hugh laurie with glasses.

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Before Huge Laurie became well known, I would have said Gary Oldman with glasses.

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#22 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="WardCleaver02"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]... I have no idea what this is about. I love Tool though. Nothing has topped Aenema, but I love all their albums.Killfox

I like Tool and Half Life.

I have to respectfully disagree and say that Lateralus was their best. All my friends agree with you, though.

No, I agree with you. As much as I loved aenema. Lateralus is my favorite. The grudge is an amazing song. Ive actually been more fond of undertow and am really appreciating it a lot more. all in all tool is amazing.

Picking a favorite Tool album / song is probably the hardest decision in life I'll ever have to make. I just can't do it. :P 10000 Days is growing on me, but The Grudge is just an awesome peice of song writing.

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#23 adv_tr00per
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Tool is awesome and so is Half Life. Does that verify your theory?

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#24 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

Dataleak

After 10+ years and multiple games: We don't know what the Gman is. We don't know much about the Combine, just their Earth soldiers. We saw one "Advisor" for a split second and that's it for their leadership. We don't know much of anything, it's all just weird and mysterious for the sake of it, like Lost was back in the start (I stopped watching after season 2)

Then you obviously never paid attention to the story. The Combine were the reason why the aliens fled to Xen, which then resulting them to fleeing to Earth. The Combine take the form of the most dominent force on a planet (hence why they're human), they're not just "Earth Soldiers" :roll: And the Gman is starting to expose himself. :P

I was paying attention: the Combine attack people, so what? It's aliens attacking like a billion other games, and I'm perfectly aware of the "why" doesn't change the fact all you fight is pretty much human puppets... Maybe I'm wrong but I played all the games and read tons off the Half Life wiki, and at the end of the day it's superhuman vs alien invaders yet again... Jst talking about story here, not insulting the gameplay!
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#25 Not-A-Stalker
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Hi. I like Tool and Half-life. Aenima is their best album. Half-Life 2 is the best game ever made. Hm.
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#27 Canvas_Of_Flesh
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Half life is great...I can't say much for Tool though.
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#28 Dead-Memories
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]What is Half Life's story though? It's ultimately aliens invade and take over, you fight them. As a mute...Dataleak

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

plot holes aren't always bad. often they require outside interpretation on the player's part, which is key to portraying a compelling narrative in my opinion. Like bioshock 2, heavy rain.

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#29 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] After 10+ years and multiple games: We don't know what the Gman is. We don't know much about the Combine, just their Earth soldiers. We saw one "Advisor" for a split second and that's it for their leadership. We don't know much of anything, it's all just weird and mysterious for the sake of it, like Lost was back in the start (I stopped watching after season 2)locopatho

Then you obviously never paid attention to the story. The Combine were the reason why the aliens fled to Xen, which then resulting them to fleeing to Earth. The Combine take the form of the most dominent force on a planet (hence why they're human), they're not just "Earth Soldiers" :roll: And the Gman is starting to expose himself. :P

I was paying attention: the Combine attack people, so what? It's aliens attacking like a billion other games, and I'm perfectly aware of the "why" doesn't change the fact all you fight is pretty much human puppets... Maybe I'm wrong but I played all the games and read tons off the Half Life wiki, and at the end of the day it's superhuman vs alien invaders yet again... Jst talking about story here, not insulting the gameplay!

But how does it warrant the term generic? Yes, it's a standard Aliens Vs Humans story, but it has so many unique points to it that it's sort of stupid to even use the word Half Life and generic in the same sentence.

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#30 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]What is Half Life's story though? It's ultimately aliens invade and take over, you fight them. As a mute...Dead-Memories

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

plot holes aren't always bad. often they require outside interpretation on the player's part, which is key to portraying a compelling narrative in my opinion. Like bioshock 2, heavy rain.

Thats true. But I was sort of using it in the term that the story is superbly written, instead of the mess that was MW2. :P

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Tool? Yeah, they were the best band ever. In the 9th grade. SPIRAL OUTZ
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#32 Dataleak
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Tool? Yeah, they were the best band ever. In the 9th grade. SPIRAL OUTZremi__0311

I never claimed them to be the best ever. Go spew your flamebait somewhere else please. :roll:

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#33 WardCleaver02
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Tool? Yeah, they were the best band ever. In the 9th grade. SPIRAL OUTZremi__0311

I am, lets just say, "well above" thirty and enjoy Tool.

Was that some sort of attempt at dissing anyone who listens to Tool as being immature? Hey, I give you points for not saying "Tool is for tools".

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#34 Dead-Memories
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[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

plot holes aren't always bad. often they require outside interpretation on the player's part, which is key to portraying a compelling narrative in my opinion. Like bioshock 2, heavy rain.

Thats true. But I was sort of using it in the term that the story is superbly written, instead of the mess that was MW2. :P

MW 2 seemed like it had t alented writers who did not collaborate to make the entirety of the plot cohesive. I thought it was competent though, especially for an FPS.
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#35 ScorpionBeeBee
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Tool? Yeah, they were the best band ever. In the 9th grade. SPIRAL OUTZremi__0311
So now that your in 10th grade what do you like to listen to?

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#36 SpiritOfFire117
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Well Tool is awesome. That must make Half-Life awesome as well. Simple logic.
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#37 deactivated-6079d224de716
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When comparing HL games to the music band, I think of At The Drive-In. Both are groundbreaking, both influenced many others, both are cryptic and surreal while staying not too far from the mainstream. The whole weirdness of ATDI lyrics reminds me of vortigaunts and other weird things in HL universe :D

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#38 Ryan_Som
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Tool is for tools...so it Half-Life.

Darkedge34

I have to disagree. I like Tool, and I'm not a tool. I can't say whether or not I like the Half-Life games as I haven't played them.

I do however really like Motion City Soundtrack, so for that you get quoted, sir. 8)

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#39 brumley53
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The poll supposes to say "an", not "and". :(

I've noticed alot of people claiming the Half Life series to be overrated, boring, generic... And I've come to the conclusion that these said must have completely missed the compelling Orwellian story that Valve created. The Half Life series require your attention. They're also multilayered, and have incredible replay value. You start to see things that you may have missed. This is where the band Tool comes in. Alot of people I know find the band Tool to be boring, tedious, slow paced, generic, ect, but the same rules apply. Listening to Tool without understanding the meaning of the songs is only half of the experience. Am I digging too deep, or should I accept the fact that some people just don't find Half Lifes story interesting?

Dataleak

Your right about halflife, not about Tool they're a bunch of arrogant wankers.

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#40 Meat_Wad_Fan
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Ahem.... Half-Life is boring

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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Ultimately yes. But it's alot deeper then that. Lets take into account the Gmans motives, the Vortigaunts motives, Breen, The Combine. The story is so well told, I honestly couldn't find 1 plot hole.

Dataleak

After 10+ years and multiple games: We don't know what the Gman is. We don't know much about the Combine, just their Earth soldiers. We saw one "Advisor" for a split second and that's it for their leadership. We don't know much of anything, it's all just weird and mysterious for the sake of it, like Lost was back in the start (I stopped watching after season 2)

Then you obviously never paid attention to the story. The Combine were the reason why the aliens fled to Xen, which then resulting them to fleeing to Earth. The Combine take the form of the most dominent force on a planet (hence why they're human), they're not just "Earth Soldiers" :roll: And the Gman is starting to expose himself. :P

Even so I have to agree with locopatho and I'm a fan of the series. The story really feels like it's misterious for the sake of it and if it weren't for characterization, I would've liked the story of the first Half-life far better than the sequel and its episodes. Its saving grace so far imo has been the quality of the presentation and, again, characters like Alyx, who presents such a life-like nature rarely seen in video games.

The above said, let's hope they do deliver with examples such as the Gman, and they better not pull the card of giving us more questions than answers when all is said and done, the series has been ridding on this for far too long. We deserve a set in stone finale, with logical explanations for some of these characters, even if there is a chance they may not deliver. That said, again, let's hope they don't screw it up... I could see examples like the Gman easily falling from grace...

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No.
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#43 X360PS3AMD05
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Ahem.... Half-Life is boring

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No that's Halo, same blue corridor same green field.
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#44 Lto_thaG
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Tool=Not good.

Half life=Good.

They're not comparable.

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#45 Im_single
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Half life is probably one of the greatest alien invasion story ever told in any medium, it's so well thought out it's almost ridiculous. Not saying HL has an amazing story but the whole invasion is just so damn well thought, I really recommend replaying at least HL2 and reading the HL timeline to really understand it all, it's just incredibly well done.
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#46 Mr_Alexander
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Why can't we just get simple "Yes" or "No" options!? I don't want to go listen to MCR and I don't like Halo or Half-Life and the rest are jokes, so the answer I picked was no.2 I guess.
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#47 skrat_01
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Don't mind tool, not sure about the analogy. Shaky at best.
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#48 razgriz_101
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to have the playing ability of Justin Chancellor is a bassists wild dream.

Much like Half life 2 ep3 coming out this year is a gamers wild dream xD sorry i had to just couldnt help it.

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Half Life is full of pretentiousness and has an annoying as hell fanbase?

In before "You're too stupid and don't get the band's awesomeness and ingenuity"

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#50 PungentStench
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Half Life is full of pretentiousness and has an annoying as hell fanbase?

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Couldn't have said it better myself.