The Halo Series is not Mediocre.

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#51 Vasichko
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Its a game that sells because its easy for noobs to pick up and play. It is a slow paced game where I can snipe and be an inch off and get a head shot.

The game is fun, but it requires no skill to be decent at. That is why its so popular, because if you suck at games you might be decent at Halo.

Id love to see all the Halo players swap to CS:S or COD4.

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#52 Vasichko
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Its a game that sells because its easy for noobs to pick up and play. It is a slow paced game where I can snipe and be an inch off and get a head shot.

The game is fun, but it requires no skill to be decent at. That is why its so popular, because if you suck at games you might be decent at Halo.

Id love to see all the Halo players swap to CS:S or COD4.

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#53 REforever101
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yes it is. halo:ce was excellent

halo 2 was terrible, the mp was overplayed by overbearing casuals

halo 3 was better, but was ulitmatly bogged down by how stuck up the series became

i stopped playing h3 online after the first week

theres nothing great about halo, it just hit the casual market dead on. kinda like how the wii became crazy successful. doesnt mean the game is good. not sure why most reviewers loved it....at least yahtzee got it right in this zero punctuation review

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#54 vashkey
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[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]Halo 3 is mediocre save for its multiplayer, which is mediocre in comparison to Call of Duty 4DrinkDuff

So I guess good multiplayer adds two points to every shooter's score then?

There's such thing as games being over rated, eh? Right when Halo 3 came out, I was in love with it. After a month you realize it's lame

Overrated is your opinion. It's a quality shooter whether you enjoy it or not. I know its hard to swallow, but its true.

I'm not a big fan of certain fighters but I respect them for what they try to do and what they accomplish. They are quality products, I just don't enjoy them. But that's okay.

I love Halo, but I will go on to say I completly understand what your saying.

I hate Street Fighter, but I don't bash it or call it mediocre. Alot of people like it, so I just say I don't like it, but I don't ay it bad. Same for Tekken, Fire Emblem, Metal Gear Acid and may other games.

Just because you guys might not like Hal, doesn't mean it's bad. It just means it's not for you. And if alot of people like the game you don't, it only proves the point. As with Halo.

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#55 BobHipJames
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Wow. Great point. Just because some average and awful title exists, the "mediocre" title isn't warranted. Good job. Except when you analyze the good to decent titles you'll find they probably outweigh the terrible ones, at least in terms of standards and respectability....

It's not as though Halo 3 needs to be exact average to be called mediocre. It's nothing special, and to me, that's all it requires, despite its reputation.

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The series has outstanding music and an addictive multiplayer. Thats all it has going for it.

The enemy AI is atrocious, especially in Halo 3 where you don't have to deal with the Elites who would actually engage you in past games.

The friendly AI is non-existent. Your marine teammates do nothing but crack retarded jokes that completely remove any immersion you are experiencing from the game. The series is supposed to be "epic" but it comes across as a parody.

The environments are grossly repetitive. Huge open spaces that are very bland and sterile looking. Very little details.

The ending was one of the worst I've ever seen in a videogame, especially because it went against every logical conclusion to the series. Complete cop-out hack garbage.

The warthogs were cool, especially in the first one, because of what they allowed you to do as a team, even when playing single player with your worthless NPCs, but every other vehicle is unnecessary.

The graphics have never been the series strongpoint. And considering how little detail exists in the games, thats pretty sad, almost inexcusable.

silentobi

When did you play halo C.E.? Because when It first came out it had some of the best A.I ever and it had pretty slick graphics. The rest of your reasons were opinions.

Best AI ever? No, not even close. For all intents and purposes the enemies in Halo are squad based. They travel in packs, even when you encounter them while they aren't patrolling they still stay together. The grunts and jackals are supposedly led by the Elites or whatever. So why do they not engage you as a group? They hardly ever come after you and do not try and flush you out of hiding spots. This is especially true in Halo 3, where you don't have to deal with Elites carrying energy swords. Its because of this that LEGENDARY poses no difficulty whatsoever as long as you have patience.

And the rest of my statements are opinion and FACTS.

The friendly NPC AI is atrocious. Thats a fact.

The environments are sadly lacking. Thats a fact. Almost no textures whatsoever, its all repeated over and over again. There is no such thing as furniture or anything of that sort while moving through most of the levels. They just aren't detailed. Compare that to any above-average FPS. They have locations that look occupied and lived in. Not a bunch of architecture placed on a barren landscape.

SPOILER:

And whoever doesn't agree that the ending sucked has their own opinion, thats true. But its crap. Bungie didn't have the balls to kill off the main character. His mission is over, he stopped the threat, he's supposed to die. But no, they took the easy way out and had him "die" only not. Hellllooooo sequels! Take a note from Kojima and MGS4, that guy actually has the guts to kill off an icon, and knows how to bring closure to a series. Game is supposed to be epic, it fails to do that in so many ways.

And don't bring up the past Halo games either, considering the fact that The Flood is one of the most widely accepted "bad ideas" in the history of videogaming. When one the complaints against your game is the complete lack of enemy variety, don't have a level where you send an endless swarm of the most aggravating (AND NON ORIGINAL) enemies at the player as he slowly moves through the same blue/gray hexagonal corridor over and over again.

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#57 DrinkDuff
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ANyway no Halo as a series was never mediocre.

Halo COmbat Evolved never had the hate the other 2 got. Mainly because it was that AWESOME. from 1st level to the final 10th level IT WAS EPIC.

Halo 2 was a let down.

Halo 3 fixed all the flaws of Halo 2, made sense of that game, and was essentially a good single player, but they missed so many opportunities. If it was just a single player game it would get an 8.5.

What people dont realise is that u gotta judge the entire product, Multiplayer counts, Forge Counts, Theatre Counts, Metagame counts, Game modes such as infection, count, replay value counts, replay value with added community bonus not found on console shooters counts.

Give Bungie credit for Making GREAT SOFTWARE.....from top to bottom Bungie made a quality game and a quality product. It is a very good game, the thing is Microsoft hypes it to the moon for something it hasnt delivered on since Halo 1. There are games way more overrated than it such as Call of Duty 4. There are shooters way more mediocre than it such as Killzone, blacksite, timeshift, there are shooters that were bigger letdowns Unreal 3(still a stupid single player, and on top of that Epic gimped up unreal for console noobs WTF?)

Halo 3 gets bashed for being famous thats all. If it wasnt famous, it wouldnt have gotten all the hate, you wouldnt hate it all that much, just maybe say its solid atleast.

Plain and simple if we all have to accept Starcraft, GTA, MGS, Mario, Zelda, etc as quality great games. YOu must accept Halo as another quality game people like, that you personally dont like

GET OVER YOURSELVES. WE can all name games we dont like that others do. jg4xchamp
I agree. Halo 3 did right by the Halo name, but it still missed the potential to become another Halo CE and push the envelope.
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#58 vashkey
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[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]let me refine my statement. halo 3 is a good game, but not nearly as good as other shooters out there. The Orange Box, and Call of Duty 4 are examples. It's not quite mediocre, but it's not the revolutionary game that Halo was. It's overrated.haris12121212
I do agree excpect for CoD4 that game wasn't revolutionary... it only changed the "time" instead of 2nd world war theme they put a modern one... It doesn't take a genious to make a fictional modern conflict between 2-3 nations....

And here I was worried that I was the only one who noticed.

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#59 EyE-ZaCk
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your right.

its not mediocre. its down right astrocius.

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#60 silentobi
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Its a game that sells because its easy for noobs to pick up and play. It is a slow paced game where I can snipe and be an inch off and get a head shot.

The game is fun, but it requires no skill to be decent at. That is why its so popular, because if you suck at games you might be decent at Halo.

Id love to see all the Halo players swap to CS:S or COD4.

Vasichko
You loss all credibility when you said COD4.If the game requires no skill then why is it in MLG :|.
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#61 vashkey
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Yeah, it's not mediocre. Instead, it's just average with a strong dose of overrated.Hoffgod

Mediocre and average are the same thing.

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#62 DrinkDuff
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[QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Weapons_Free"]

The series has outstanding music and an addictive multiplayer. Thats all it has going for it.

The enemy AI is atrocious, especially in Halo 3 where you don't have to deal with the Elites who would actually engage you in past games.

The friendly AI is non-existent. Your marine teammates do nothing but crack retarded jokes that completely remove any immersion you are experiencing from the game. The series is supposed to be "epic" but it comes across as a parody.

The environments are grossly repetitive. Huge open spaces that are very bland and sterile looking. Very little details.

The ending was one of the worst I've ever seen in a videogame, especially because it went against every logical conclusion to the series. Complete cop-out hack garbage.

The warthogs were cool, especially in the first one, because of what they allowed you to do as a team, even when playing single player with your worthless NPCs, but every other vehicle is unnecessary.

The graphics have never been the series strongpoint. And considering how little detail exists in the games, thats pretty sad, almost inexcusable.

Weapons_Free

When did you play halo C.E.? Because when It first came out it had some of the best A.I ever and it had pretty slick graphics. The rest of your reasons were opinions.

Best AI ever? No, not even close. For all intents and purposes the enemies in Halo are squad based. They travel in packs, even when you encounter them while they aren't patrolling they still stay together. The grunts and jackals are supposedly led by the Elites or whatever. So why do they not engage you as a group? They hardly ever come after you and do not try and flush you out of hiding spots. This is especially true in Halo 3, where you don't have to deal with Elites carrying energy swords. Its because of this that LEGENDARY poses no difficulty whatsoever as long as you have patience.

And the rest of my statements are opinion and FACTS.

The friendly NPC AI is atrocious. Thats a fact.

The environments are sadly lacking. Thats a fact. Almost no textures whatsoever, its all repeated over and over again. There is no such thing as furniture or anything of that sort while moving through most of the levels. They just aren't detailed. Compare that to any above-average FPS. They have locations that look occupied and lived in. Not a bunch of architecture placed on a barren landscape.

SPOILER:

And whoever doesn't agree that the ending sucked has their own opinion, thats true. But its crap. Bungie didn't have the balls to kill off the main character. His mission is over, he stopped the threat, he's supposed to die. But no, they took the easy way out and had him "die" only not. Hellllooooo sequels! Take a note from Kojima and MGS4, that guy actually has the guts to kill off an icon, and knows how to bring closure to a series. Game is supposed to be epic, it fails to do that in so many ways.

And don't bring up the past Halo games either, considering the fact that The Flood is one of the most widely accepted "bad ideas" in the history of videogaming. When one the complaints against your game is the complete lack of enemy variety, don't have a level where you send an endless swarm of the most aggravating (AND NON ORIGINAL) enemies at the player as he slowly moves through the same blue/gray hexagonal corridor over and over again.

Someone's been drinking a lot of haterade. I thought Halo 3's story was decent, and you don't, thats fine, however I think you are missing the point. A good story doesn't always make a great game, and a great game doesn't always have to have a good story. And the environments aren't bad at all. I don't know what you were playing. It's certainly a step up from a lot of other last-gen games and that certainly did ruin the games for me, so why does Halo 3 get all the hate?
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#63 vashkey
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ANyway no Halo as a series was never mediocre.

Halo COmbat Evolved never had the hate the other 2 got. Mainly because it was that AWESOME. from 1st level to the final 10th level IT WAS EPIC.

Halo 2 was a let down.

Halo 3 fixed all the flaws of Halo 2, made sense of that game, and was essentially a good single player, but they missed so many opportunities. If it was just a single player game it would get an 8.5.

What people dont realise is that u gotta judge the entire product, Multiplayer counts, Forge Counts, Theatre Counts, Metagame counts, Game modes such as infection, count, replay value counts, replay value with added community bonus not found on console shooters counts.

Give Bungie credit for Making GREAT SOFTWARE.....from top to bottom Bungie made a quality game and a quality product. It is a very good game, the thing is Microsoft hypes it to the moon for something it hasnt delivered on since Halo 1. There are games way more overrated than it such as Call of Duty 4. There are shooters way more mediocre than it such as Killzone, blacksite, timeshift, there are shooters that were bigger letdowns Unreal 3(still a stupid single player, and on top of that Epic gimped up unreal for console noobs WTF?)

Halo 3 gets bashed for being famous thats all. If it wasnt famous, it wouldnt have gotten all the hate, you wouldnt hate it all that much, just maybe say its solid atleast.

Plain and simple if we all have to accept Starcraft, GTA, MGS, Mario, Zelda, etc as quality great games. YOu must accept Halo as another quality game people like, that you personally dont like

GET OVER YOURSELVES. WE can all name games we dont like that others do. jg4xchamp

ummmmmm QFT

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Its an alright game its by no means head and shoulders for the genre (though its arguably the best for the console).. Its good not the best.

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#65 DrinkDuff
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Wow. Great point. Just because some average and awful title exists, the "mediocre" title isn't warranted. Good job. Except when you analyze the good to decent titles you'll find they probably outweigh the terrible ones, at least in terms of standards and respectability....

It's not as though Halo 3 needs to be exact average to be called mediocre. It's nothing special, and to me, that's all it requires, despite its reputation.

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I only used those titles to put everything into perspective. People who think Halo 3 is mediocre has not played any real mediocre FPSs, as seen above. If you are calling Halo 3 mediocre, prepare to acknowledge 95% of FPS as downright average. If you are going to pick and choose what scores to agree with when arguing objectively, then you can throw your credibility out the window.
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[QUOTE="Weapons_Free"][QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Weapons_Free"]

The series has outstanding music and an addictive multiplayer. Thats all it has going for it.

The enemy AI is atrocious, especially in Halo 3 where you don't have to deal with the Elites who would actually engage you in past games.

The friendly AI is non-existent. Your marine teammates do nothing but crack retarded jokes that completely remove any immersion you are experiencing from the game. The series is supposed to be "epic" but it comes across as a parody.

The environments are grossly repetitive. Huge open spaces that are very bland and sterile looking. Very little details.

The ending was one of the worst I've ever seen in a videogame, especially because it went against every logical conclusion to the series. Complete cop-out hack garbage.

The warthogs were cool, especially in the first one, because of what they allowed you to do as a team, even when playing single player with your worthless NPCs, but every other vehicle is unnecessary.

The graphics have never been the series strongpoint. And considering how little detail exists in the games, thats pretty sad, almost inexcusable.

DrinkDuff

When did you play halo C.E.? Because when It first came out it had some of the best A.I ever and it had pretty slick graphics. The rest of your reasons were opinions.

Best AI ever? No, not even close. For all intents and purposes the enemies in Halo are squad based. They travel in packs, even when you encounter them while they aren't patrolling they still stay together. The grunts and jackals are supposedly led by the Elites or whatever. So why do they not engage you as a group? They hardly ever come after you and do not try and flush you out of hiding spots. This is especially true in Halo 3, where you don't have to deal with Elites carrying energy swords. Its because of this that LEGENDARY poses no difficulty whatsoever as long as you have patience.

And the rest of my statements are opinion and FACTS.

The friendly NPC AI is atrocious. Thats a fact.

The environments are sadly lacking. Thats a fact. Almost no textures whatsoever, its all repeated over and over again. There is no such thing as furniture or anything of that sort while moving through most of the levels. They just aren't detailed. Compare that to any above-average FPS. They have locations that look occupied and lived in. Not a bunch of architecture placed on a barren landscape.

SPOILER:

And whoever doesn't agree that the ending sucked has their own opinion, thats true. But its crap. Bungie didn't have the balls to kill off the main character. His mission is over, he stopped the threat, he's supposed to die. But no, they took the easy way out and had him "die" only not. Hellllooooo sequels! Take a note from Kojima and MGS4, that guy actually has the guts to kill off an icon, and knows how to bring closure to a series. Game is supposed to be epic, it fails to do that in so many ways.

And don't bring up the past Halo games either, considering the fact that The Flood is one of the most widely accepted "bad ideas" in the history of videogaming. When one the complaints against your game is the complete lack of enemy variety, don't have a level where you send an endless swarm of the most aggravating (AND NON ORIGINAL) enemies at the player as he slowly moves through the same blue/gray hexagonal corridor over and over again.

Someone's been drinking a lot of haterade. I thought Halo 3's story was decent, and you don't, thats fine, however I think you are missing the point. A good story doesn't always make a great game, and a great game doesn't always have to have a good story. And the environments aren't bad at all. I don't know what you were playing. It's certainly a step up from a lot of other last-gen games so why does Halo 3 get all the hate?

Nothing wrong with the story. ITS THE ENDING.

Play through Halo 3 again, pay attention to the maps. The 1st one is the best looking, the most promising. After that you got your rock level, your dirt level, your grass level, your snow level. Its all the same...

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#68 DrinkDuff
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your right.

its not mediocre. its down right astrocius.

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#69 silentobi
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[QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Weapons_Free"]

The series has outstanding music and an addictive multiplayer. Thats all it has going for it.

The enemy AI is atrocious, especially in Halo 3 where you don't have to deal with the Elites who would actually engage you in past games.

The friendly AI is non-existent. Your marine teammates do nothing but crack retarded jokes that completely remove any immersion you are experiencing from the game. The series is supposed to be "epic" but it comes across as a parody.

The environments are grossly repetitive. Huge open spaces that are very bland and sterile looking. Very little details.

The ending was one of the worst I've ever seen in a videogame, especially because it went against every logical conclusion to the series. Complete cop-out hack garbage.

The warthogs were cool, especially in the first one, because of what they allowed you to do as a team, even when playing single player with your worthless NPCs, but every other vehicle is unnecessary.

The graphics have never been the series strongpoint. And considering how little detail exists in the games, thats pretty sad, almost inexcusable.

Weapons_Free

When did you play halo C.E.? Because when It first came out it had some of the best A.I ever and it had pretty slick graphics. The rest of your reasons were opinions.

Best AI ever? No, not even close. For all intents and purposes the enemies in Halo are squad based. They travel in packs, even when you encounter them while they aren't patrolling they still stay together. The grunts and jackals are supposedly led by the Elites or whatever. So why do they not engage you as a group? They hardly ever come after you and do not try and flush you out of hiding spots. This is especially true in Halo 3, where you don't have to deal with Elites carrying energy swords. Its because of this that LEGENDARY poses no difficulty whatsoever as long as you have patience.

And the rest of my statements are opinion and FACTS.

The friendly NPC AI is atrocious. Thats a fact.

The environments are sadly lacking. Thats a fact. Almost no textures whatsoever, its all repeated over and over again. There is no such thing as furniture or anything of that sort while moving through most of the levels. They just aren't detailed. Compare that to any above-average FPS. They have locations that look occupied and lived in. Not a bunch of architecture placed on a barren landscape.

SPOILER:

And whoever doesn't agree that the ending sucked has their own opinion, thats true. But its crap. Bungie didn't have the balls to kill off the main character. His mission is over, he stopped the threat, he's supposed to die. But no, they took the easy way out and had him "die" only not. Hellllooooo sequels! Take a note from Kojima and MGS4, that guy actually has the guts to kill off an icon, and knows how to bring closure to a series. Game is supposed to be epic, it fails to do that in so many ways.

And don't bring up the past Halo games either, considering the fact that The Flood is one of the most widely accepted "bad ideas" in the history of videogaming. When one the complaints against your game is the complete lack of enemy variety, don't have a level where you send an endless swarm of the most aggravating (AND NON ORIGINAL) enemies at the player as he slowly moves through the same blue/gray hexagonal corridor over and over again.

Halo C.E did had some pretty darn good A.I and graphicsfor it's time did you just played the game yesterday? Here's some quotes form the review

"It's so good that you'll find yourself looking forward to playing the game over again before you even beat it the first time, and the excellent AI and variety of options for accomplishing your goals will ensure that you'll have unique experiences every time you do."

And lets not forget about those graphics.

"Halo's a stunning-looking game, full of huge environments that are packed with eye candy. Turn on your flashlight in a hallway, and you'll see a plastic reflective sheen to the wall. Walk up close to a marine, and you'll notice that the visor on his helmet reflects light too. Throw a grenade outside, and the explosion will send up a cloud of dust. Turn your jeep sharply, and clumps of dirt go flying. The game isn't as hyperdetailed as Quake III Arena, but its immense levels, excellent textures, and great special effects put it in the same class."

That's for Halo 1 now let's get to the graphics and for Halo 3

"Halo has always had a very strong artistic vision, and the graphics have always been just good enough to convey the necessary imagery without becoming huge technical powerhouses. That's not to say that the game isn't technically impressive, because it maintains a smooth frame rate throughout, and looks very sharp overall with plenty of great lighting and other nice effects. But the visual design overpowers its technical side and really stands out. Given that the game takes place in a wider range of locales than the previous two games, you'll see a lot of different, colorful environments, including deserts, snow, jungle settings, great-looking building interiors, and more. The enemies, many of which are returning from past games, also look great."

Seriously the only thing I could agree with you is the friendly A.I. The rest are opinions.

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#70 SSCyborg
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Its a game that sells because its easy for noobs to pick up and play. It is a slow paced game where I can snipe and be an inch off and get a head shot.

The game is fun, but it requires no skill to be decent at. That is why its so popular, because if you suck at games you might be decent at Halo.

Id love to see all the Halo players swap to CS:S or COD4.

silentobi

You loss all credibility when you said COD4.If the game requires no skill then why is it in MLG :|.

I agree with you. COD4 is a laugh if he says it requires more skill than Halo, or puts it up with CS.

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[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Weapons_Free"][QUOTE="silentobi"][QUOTE="Weapons_Free"]

The series has outstanding music and an addictive multiplayer. Thats all it has going for it.

The enemy AI is atrocious, especially in Halo 3 where you don't have to deal with the Elites who would actually engage you in past games.

The friendly AI is non-existent. Your marine teammates do nothing but crack retarded jokes that completely remove any immersion you are experiencing from the game. The series is supposed to be "epic" but it comes across as a parody.

The environments are grossly repetitive. Huge open spaces that are very bland and sterile looking. Very little details.

The ending was one of the worst I've ever seen in a videogame, especially because it went against every logical conclusion to the series. Complete cop-out hack garbage.

The warthogs were cool, especially in the first one, because of what they allowed you to do as a team, even when playing single player with your worthless NPCs, but every other vehicle is unnecessary.

The graphics have never been the series strongpoint. And considering how little detail exists in the games, thats pretty sad, almost inexcusable.

Weapons_Free

When did you play halo C.E.? Because when It first came out it had some of the best A.I ever and it had pretty slick graphics. The rest of your reasons were opinions.

Best AI ever? No, not even close. For all intents and purposes the enemies in Halo are squad based. They travel in packs, even when you encounter them while they aren't patrolling they still stay together. The grunts and jackals are supposedly led by the Elites or whatever. So why do they not engage you as a group? They hardly ever come after you and do not try and flush you out of hiding spots. This is especially true in Halo 3, where you don't have to deal with Elites carrying energy swords. Its because of this that LEGENDARY poses no difficulty whatsoever as long as you have patience.

And the rest of my statements are opinion and FACTS.

The friendly NPC AI is atrocious. Thats a fact.

The environments are sadly lacking. Thats a fact. Almost no textures whatsoever, its all repeated over and over again. There is no such thing as furniture or anything of that sort while moving through most of the levels. They just aren't detailed. Compare that to any above-average FPS. They have locations that look occupied and lived in. Not a bunch of architecture placed on a barren landscape.

SPOILER:

And whoever doesn't agree that the ending sucked has their own opinion, thats true. But its crap. Bungie didn't have the balls to kill off the main character. His mission is over, he stopped the threat, he's supposed to die. But no, they took the easy way out and had him "die" only not. Hellllooooo sequels! Take a note from Kojima and MGS4, that guy actually has the guts to kill off an icon, and knows how to bring closure to a series. Game is supposed to be epic, it fails to do that in so many ways.

And don't bring up the past Halo games either, considering the fact that The Flood is one of the most widely accepted "bad ideas" in the history of videogaming. When one the complaints against your game is the complete lack of enemy variety, don't have a level where you send an endless swarm of the most aggravating (AND NON ORIGINAL) enemies at the player as he slowly moves through the same blue/gray hexagonal corridor over and over again.

Someone's been drinking a lot of haterade. I thought Halo 3's story was decent, and you don't, thats fine, however I think you are missing the point. A good story doesn't always make a great game, and a great game doesn't always have to have a good story. And the environments aren't bad at all. I don't know what you were playing. It's certainly a step up from a lot of other last-gen games so why does Halo 3 get all the hate?

Nothing wrong with the story. ITS THE ENDING.

Play through Halo 3 again, pay attention to the maps. The 1st one is the best looking, the most promising. After that you got your rock level, your dirt level, your grass level, your snow level. Its all the same...

Actually I believe Snow was last. You get the flood level before it lol

damnit lava was last wasn't it?

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#72 DrinkDuff
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[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

Someone's been drinking a lot of haterade. I thought Halo 3's story was decent, and you don't, thats fine, however I think you are missing the point. A good story doesn't always make a great game, and a great game doesn't always have to have a good story. And the environments aren't bad at all. I don't know what you were playing. It's certainly a step up from a lot of other last-gen games so why does Halo 3 get all the hate?
Weapons_Free

Nothing wrong with the story. ITS THE ENDING.

Play through Halo 3 again, pay attention to the maps. The 1st one is the best looking, the most promising. After that you got your rock level, your dirt level, your grass level, your snow level. Its all the same...

I still didn't see what was so awful about them. And I would go as far to say that the interior levels were very impressive artistically. At any rate, environments don't make or break a game and its proven by comparing environments between generations. Don't tell me you hated Goldeneye just because the forests were just one outlining wall with blurry tree textures on it? Your complaint is fruitless. Sure standards change, but there are much more important things that are more detrimental to a game's experience. As long as an environment is up to the standards than there shouldn't be a problem, and it is. So what's the big deal?
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#73 ArisShadows
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Its pretty good but grossly overrated.
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#74 Redmoonxl2
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In my most honest and humble opinion, the Halo story and Halo's single player level design are extremely mediocre. Halo lore is all fine and dandy but the ingame telling of the story is just pathetic. As for the level design, as much as I love the skirmishes, you end up facing corridor after corridor of repetition most of the time. Also, any level with Flood automatically kills whatever fun I was having.

Again, my opinion.

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#75 papa_smurf_23
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Why can't people just admit that the halo trilogy is good? They all received 9 and above(i think)
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#76 Vyse_The_Daring
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Why can't people just admit that the halo trilogy is good? They all received 9 and above(i think)papa_smurf_23

Because the idea that a series with AAA scores from almost every major publication is actually a damn good series is downright ludicrous.

Besides, everyone knows that people only like Halo when they haven't played all of those better FPS games, which reviewers obviously have not done.

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#77 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]Halo 3 is mediocre save for its multiplayer, which is mediocre in comparison to Call of Duty 4DrinkDuff

So I guess good multiplayer adds two points to every shooter's score then?

It's only your opinion. Many people like the singleplayer, including me.

Just like all those shooters are good in their opinions?

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#78 DrinkDuff
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In my most honest and humble opinion, the Halo story and Halo's single player level design are extremely mediocre. Halo lore is all fine and dandy but the ingame telling of the story is just pathetic. As for the level design, as much as I love the skirmishes, you end up facing corridor after corridor of repetition most of the time. Also, any level with Flood automatically kills whatever fun I was having.

Again, my opinion.

Redmoonxl2
I respect your opinion, and the idea that certain parts could be considered mediocre, but the overall quality of the game (dicated by reviews and to a lesser extent the userbase) suggests that the Halo games are high quality product, and are not mediocre.
[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]Halo 3 is mediocre save for its multiplayer, which is mediocre in comparison to Call of Duty 4Ragnarok1051

So I guess good multiplayer adds two points to every shooter's score then?

It's only your opinion. Many people like the singleplayer, including me.

Just like all those shooters are good in their opinions?

Fine, so if GS scores aren't good enough for you would you like some gamerankings?

At any rate, as I have already stated, the scores are there to put things into perspective. Ususally most review sites are fairly consistant with each other about game quality regardless. And they are the only ones we can trust really. There are exceptions, but with truly mediocre games, the feelings are essentially mutual. Professional reviews are effective at garnering the overall quality of a game. The Halo series is universally acclaimed, there is no way out of this.

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#79 DrinkDuff
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[QUOTE="papa_smurf_23"]Why can't people just admit that the halo trilogy is good? They all received 9 and above(i think)Vyse_The_Daring

Because the idea that a series with AAA scores from almost every major publication is actually a damn good series is downright ludicrous.

Besides, everyone knows that people only like Halo when they haven't played all of those better FPS games, which reviewers obviously have not done.

Nice. :lol:
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#80 FrozenLiquid
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In my most honest and humble opinion, the Halo story and Halo's single player level design are extremely mediocre. Halo lore is all fine and dandy but the ingame telling of the story is just pathetic. As for the level design, as much as I love the skirmishes, you end up facing corridor after corridor of repetition most of the time. Also, any level with Flood automatically kills whatever fun I was having.

Again, my opinion.

Redmoonxl2
I do not understand what you're trying to say. You say the Halo story is mediocre, then you say the Halo lore is fine and dandy. Then you say the ingame storytelling is pathetic. Story and lore are really one and the same. You mean the ingame story telling (from Halo 2 and 3 the most) is the culprit, correct?
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#81 Juggernaut140
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[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="papa_smurf_23"]Why can't people just admit that the halo trilogy is good? They all received 9 and above(i think)DrinkDuff

Because the idea that a series with AAA scores from almost every major publication is actually a damn good series is downright ludicrous.

Besides, everyone knows that people only like Halo when they haven't played all of those better FPS games, which reviewers obviously have not done.

Nice. :lol:

:lol: agreed, but that still won't shut them up...

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#82 Redmoonxl2
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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

In my most honest and humble opinion, the Halo story and Halo's single player level design are extremely mediocre. Halo lore is all fine and dandy but the ingame telling of the story is just pathetic. As for the level design, as much as I love the skirmishes, you end up facing corridor after corridor of repetition most of the time. Also, any level with Flood automatically kills whatever fun I was having.

Again, my opinion.

FrozenLiquid

I do not understand what you're trying to say. You say the Halo story is mediocre, then you say the Halo lore is fine and dandy. Then you say the ingame storytelling is pathetic. Story and lore are really one and the same. You mean the ingame story telling (from Halo 2 and 3 the most) is the culprit, correct?

*Points at bold*

Story and lore are not the same thing. Lore is the building blocks of a universe while story is the telling of a specific event or time period within the lore. I think I've made myself perfectly clear that I dislike the way Halo's story is conveyed ingame.