yes xbox could't handle ammo:|..... im sure it had nothing to do with lazy devs.....The hugest and most horrible example of this is the transition from Deus Ex to Deus Ex: Invisible War. My favourite single player game ever was mutaliated so it could run on the XBox. They took out every feature, even ammo...
Jankenstein
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[QUOTE="Jankenstein"]yes xbox could't handle ammo:|..... im sure it had nothing to do with lazy devs.....The hugest and most horrible example of this is the transition from Deus Ex to Deus Ex: Invisible War. My favourite single player game ever was mutaliated so it could run on the XBox. They took out every feature, even ammo...
killtactics
Oh I blame it on the devs completely, But the original game used like half the buttons on a keyboard so when it needed to be put on a controller they literally took out everything, even different types of ammo.
There is no arguing the fact that a keyboard and mouse are the best input devices for FPS games. What has occured with Halo is now beginning to occur with RTS games for consoles: compromises are to be made. Less options in RTS games and an overalldumbing down of the genre. Same is happening with RPG's too. They are becoming more simple as well.
Auto-aim, increased damage zones, streamlined gameplay, lower online participants in games, smaller game worlds, lower resolutions, less choice, all attributed to the contraints of consoles and theircontrollers. Playing with your thumbs just doesn't cut it.
Don't kid yourselfes: PC>Console for FPS, RTS and RPGgames. Its too bad the Xbox is dragging the PC down.
Subcritical
there are infinitely more gamers that would disagree with you.
console gaming crushes pc gaming in money-making... even tho are are a TON more pc in existence than consoles....;)
[QUOTE="Subcritical"]There is no arguing the fact that a keyboard and mouse are the best input devices for FPS games. What has occured with Halo is now beginning to occur with RTS games for consoles: compromises are to be made. Less options in RTS games and an overalldumbing down of the genre. Same is happening with RPG's too. They are becoming more simple as well.
Auto-aim, increased damage zones, streamlined gameplay, lower online participants in games, smaller game worlds, lower resolutions, less choice, all attributed to the contraints of consoles and theircontrollers. Playing with your thumbs just doesn't cut it.
Don't kid yourselfes: PC>Console for FPS, RTS and RPGgames. Its too bad the Xbox is dragging the PC down.
tango90101
there are infinitely more gamers that would disagree with you.
console gaming crushes pc gaming in money-making... even tho are are a TON more pc in existence than consoles....;)
just like manfacturing your average run of the mill car crushes super car manufacturing in money making :)
but which is better and whichwould yourather have if money was no object :)
Deus Ex: Invisible War was the saddest dumbing down I've ever played. Vegas was next. Vegas represented an abandoning of the PC format for the R6 series.
As a sweeping statement? I think most games worth playing aren't going to be dumbed down for consoles. The big corporation type game companies will have their games dumbed down for consoles, but really, I don't think UBI and EA games really had all that much depth to begin with.
Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
The_Game21x
According to tc, limitation of xbox dumbs down pc games. So, it can be said that the reason for dumbing down these games is infact xbox. Still imo also, much of the blame goes to lazy devs & publishers.
[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
naval
According to tc, limitation of xbox dumbs down pc games. So, it can be said that the reason for dumbing down these games is infact xbox. Still imo also, much of the blame goes to lazy devs & publishers.
Its not the console, its mainly the audience. I mean, this statement by Bethesda EPITOMIZES this problem. "We are trying to make a Fallout 3 that people will know and love, yet at the same time make it more accesible to the modern gamer". You see right there, thats what we're talking about. The formulas are changing to suit the pallet of the console gamer, which is marginally more casual than PC gamers. They don't want all these indepth dice rolling elements and important diversification. They wan't instant gratification. Gone are the ways of the REAL tactical shooters, overhead RPGs with depth and good humour, and mechanics that PC gamers have come to love. Now is the time of the toned down action game to appeal to the market.[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Subcritical"]There is no arguing the fact that a keyboard and mouse are the best input devices for FPS games. What has occured with Halo is now beginning to occur with RTS games for consoles: compromises are to be made. Less options in RTS games and an overalldumbing down of the genre. Same is happening with RPG's too. They are becoming more simple as well.
Auto-aim, increased damage zones, streamlined gameplay, lower online participants in games, smaller game worlds, lower resolutions, less choice, all attributed to the contraints of consoles and theircontrollers. Playing with your thumbs just doesn't cut it.
Don't kid yourselfes: PC>Console for FPS, RTS and RPGgames. Its too bad the Xbox is dragging the PC down.
jt8b2z
there are infinitely more gamers that would disagree with you.
console gaming crushes pc gaming in money-making... even tho are are a TON more pc in existence than consoles....;)
just like manfacturing your average run of the mill car crushes super car manufacturing in money making :)
but which is better and whichwould yourather have if money was no object :)
"better" from consumer reports, the lower end cars have better quality and receive higher crash test ratings... making it "better" to the mass consumers...
high end cars are nice, but not practical therefore not "better"...;)
if money was no object is silliness.... of course money is the object... and spending $1500 for a pc to play a game is not smart... when you can play the same game with comparable garphics and gamplay modes not found in pc (splitscreen) for $300...;)
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="WhySoCry"][QUOTE="bellsmye1"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="bellsmye1"][QUOTE="mightyboosh13"]That game rivalled Mario 64 in the awesome feeling I had when I played itYou make a good point but be prepared to be flamed for using Halo CE as an example.
Remember too many its just a average game. To many who played the game like myself around the launch period know how special it actually was.
killtactics
I think Halo CE (when played on PC), provided me with one of the best FPS experiences. I enjoyed Halo CE more than Half Life 2.
Im one of the few people who would agree with that actually'Why did you ignore the 2 posts directed to you? If you can't answer them, then leave this thread.
Otherwise, I agree that console gaming has dumbed everything down for PCs. Look at Thief, Deus Ex, R6, GR, Oblivion, possibly even fallout. And PCs excel in every platform except for Fighting. We have the mst realistic simulators like rfactor, GTR, FS X, etc.
how do u know they were dumbed down b/c of the 360?... ohh wait u don't and u are making things up.. and the saddest part is u completely believe everything u make up....If you don't believe that consoles have lead to the dumbing down of games like Dues Ex, Thief, R6, GR, and Oblivion, your kidding yourself.
first of all who decides whats "dumbed down"? and i see you put oblivion on that list... thats funny b/c the elder scrolls was also on the xbox... so it's only dumbed down when it's convenient..... like i said u have nothing to base it on...Morrowind was developed with the PC as the primary platform, then a port to the Xbox followed. Oblivion was targeted to Bethesda's new audience of people who can't think for themselves and need a journal pop-up telling them what they feel, think, and have to do.
Thief originals had huge maps, and tight first-person controls. Thief III went multiplat and brought crappy loadzones and a third person view that made it HORRIBLE to control, compared to the first games. Rainbow 6 and Ghost Recon have been covered.
I don't blame the console, I blame the developers for focusing on one system and leaving the others as an afterthought.
There is no arguing the fact that a keyboard and mouse are the best input devices for FPS games. What has occured with Halo is now beginning to occur with RTS games for consoles: compromises are to be made. Less options in RTS games and an overalldumbing down of the genre. Same is happening with RPG's too. They are becoming more simple as well.
Auto-aim, increased damage zones, streamlined gameplay, lower online participants in games, smaller game worlds, lower resolutions, less choice, all attributed to the contraints of consoles and theircontrollers. Playing with your thumbs just doesn't cut it.
Don't kid yourselfes: PC>Console for FPS, RTS and RPGgames. Its too bad the Xbox is dragging the PC down.
Subcritical
I think you are fooling yourself. Xbox is not dragging down PC gaming, PC gaming is dragging down PC gaming.
Really maybe you actually believe that you are so special games should be made just for you, but apperantly the developers do not. Maybe thats why they make them multiplatform? Maybe its because they actually want to make more money off their games, and they know console gamers buy more games?
Seriously if PC gaming was doing so well why would they make the console versions?
I totally agree. Fps on a console doesn't work at all
[QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Subcritical"]There is no arguing the fact that a keyboard and mouse are the best input devices for FPS games. What has occured with Halo is now beginning to occur with RTS games for consoles: compromises are to be made. Less options in RTS games and an overalldumbing down of the genre. Same is happening with RPG's too. They are becoming more simple as well.
Auto-aim, increased damage zones, streamlined gameplay, lower online participants in games, smaller game worlds, lower resolutions, less choice, all attributed to the contraints of consoles and theircontrollers. Playing with your thumbs just doesn't cut it.
Don't kid yourselfes: PC>Console for FPS, RTS and RPGgames. Its too bad the Xbox is dragging the PC down.
tango90101
there are infinitely more gamers that would disagree with you.
console gaming crushes pc gaming in money-making... even tho are are a TON more pc in existence than consoles....;)
just like manfacturing your average run of the mill car crushes super car manufacturing in money making :)
but which is better and whichwould yourather have if money was no object :)
"better" from consumer reports, the lower end cars have better quality and receive higher crash test ratings... making it "better" to the mass consumers...
high end cars are nice, but not practical therefore not "better"...;)
if money was no object is silliness.... of course money is the object... and spending $1500 for a pc to play a game is not smart... when you can play the same game with comparable garphics and gamplay modes not found in pc (splitscreen) for $300...;)
yes but if you have money, you might aswell spend more and get the better experience, which is why there will allways be supercars, and allways be top of the line graphics cards for gaming.
Since when has anything directed at the mass consumermarketnecessarely been the best.Look at pop music :|
Its not the console, its mainly the audience. I mean, this statement by Bethesda EPITOMIZES this problem. "We are trying to make a Fallout 3 that people will know and love, yet at the same time make it more accesible to the modern gamer". You see right there, thats what we're talking about. The formulas are changing to suit the pallet of the console gamer, which is marginally more casual than PC gamers. They don't want all these indepth dice rolling elements and important diversification. They wan't instant gratification. Gone are the ways of the REAL tactical shooters, overhead RPGs with depth and good humour, and mechanics that PC gamers have come to love. Now is the time of the toned down action game to appeal to the market.Vandalvideo
Well, I totally agree with what all you said. I was just pointing out how Xbox could be the cause of dumbing games because of its control. Any RTS that is to be played on XBox has to be very simple. But imo, its more because of the devs who could easily make modifications for the pc version like they do in the case bioshock
But if the Xbox didn't exist the developers would have no reason to dumb the games down, now would they?;)Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
The_Game21x
[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="bellsmye1"][QUOTE="Subcritical"]There is a sudden stench of crapThere is no arguing the fact that a keyboard and mouse are the best input devices for FPS games. What has occured with Halo is now beginning to occur with RTS games for consoles: compromises are to be made. Less options in RTS games and an overalldumbing down of the genre. Same is happening with RPG's too. They are becoming more simple as well.
Auto-aim, increased damage zones, streamlined gameplay, lower online participants in games, smaller game worlds, lower resolutions, less choice, all attributed to the contraints of consoles and theircontrollers. Playing with your thumbs just doesn't cut it.
Don't kid yourselfes: PC>Console for FPS, RTS and RPGgames. Its too bad the Xbox is dragging the PC down.
bellsmye1
There is a sudden stench of denial. The above is FACT and has been proven. Go find the links for yourself, I won't do your homework for you.
Conversely, racing, fighting and platformers are superior using a controller. That is FACT too.
yeah.... updating a computer every 6 freakin months to play games that have been released on console rocks! Pass. uh every 6 months? i been running a duo core 7900gt sli set up for almost 2 years now. what are you talking about every 6months.yes but if you have money, you might aswell spend more and get the better experience, which is why there will allways be supercars, and allways be top of the line graphics cards for gaming.
Since when has anything directed at the mass consumermarketnecessarely been the best.Look at pop music :|
jt8b2z
You ever hear of the law of dimishing returns? You act as if mass market is not proper, maybe its the place of greatest value versus money spent?
Let the big companies fool you man, you NEED that big graphics card! You need 3gigs of ram! Lets just see how much better Bioshock is on the PC shall we? I think I know where the value is.
[QUOTE="jt8b2z"]yes but if you have money, you might aswell spend more and get the better experience, which is why there will allways be supercars, and allways be top of the line graphics cards for gaming.
Since when has anything directed at the mass consumermarketnecessarely been the best.Look at pop music :|
Vylence
You ever hear of the law of dimishing returns? You act as if mass market is not proper, maybe its the place of greatest value versus money spent?
Let the big companies fool you man, you NEED that big graphics card! You need 3gigs of ram! Lets just see how much better Bioshock is on the PC shall we? I think I know where the value is.
Iam not talking about value, i am talking about superiority. but if you really want me toget started on value anyway, look at 360's peripheral prices:
20gb hard drive = £70? wtf i can get a 500gig hard drive for that.
£32+£15 for a wireless controller and a play and charge kit...lol
new games at £40 where as they are £25 on pc. avergae that out over 5 years and i think you will find a HUGE saving.
£40 a year for online? no thanks, i 'd rather play superior online for free on my pc.
£60 for a wireless reciever? mine for my pc cost me £20 :|
Please, dont get me started on value :D
infact with the all the savings i can make from not bying all the above overpriced junk for about 3 yearsi can buy a whole new pc that is far better than any console and will do many many more things
Face it, you can't win either arguement.
[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
Vandalvideo
According to tc, limitation of xbox dumbs down pc games. So, it can be said that the reason for dumbing down these games is infact xbox. Still imo also, much of the blame goes to lazy devs & publishers.
Its not the console, its mainly the audience. I mean, this statement by Bethesda EPITOMIZES this problem. "We are trying to make a Fallout 3 that people will know and love, yet at the same time make it more accesible to the modern gamer". You see right there, thats what we're talking about. The formulas are changing to suit the pallet of the console gamer, which is marginally more casual than PC gamers. They don't want all these indepth dice rolling elements and important diversification. They wan't instant gratification. Gone are the ways of the REAL tactical shooters, overhead RPGs with depth and good humour, and mechanics that PC gamers have come to love. Now is the time of the toned down action game to appeal to the market.how do u know modern gamer only = consoles? everyone with a PC played the old fallouts? every game dev wants to appeal to as many ppl as possible....
i will say it again and again, i have a new 1600 dollar pc with supposedly good hardware and get better performance out of my 360. hold on: i'll dxdiag real quick to show you.
Intel core 2 duo
2046 mb ram
Nvidia Geforce 7300 Le (512 mb)
windows xp
and a bunch of other things i don't understand. why should i lag on medium settings in battlefield? why should the framerate struggle in cod2?
not to mention i feel more comfortable with a controller.
i will say it again and again, i have a new 1600 dollar pc with supposedly good hardware and get better performance out of my 360. hold on: i'll dxdiag real quick to show you.
Intel core 2 duo
2046 mb ram
Nvidia Geforce 7300 Le (512 mb)
windows xpand a bunch of other things i don't understand. why should i lag on medium settings in battlefield? why should the framerate struggle in cod2?
not to mention i feel more comfortable with a controller.
paullywog
lol, 7300le.
the problem is your video card is worth about £35.
[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]But if the Xbox didn't exist the developers would have no reason to dumb the games down, now would they?;)don't blame consoles b/c the devs behind deus ex and thief suck....Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
smokeydabear076
]how do u know modern gamer only = consoles? everyone with a PC played the old fallouts? every game dev wants to appeal to as many ppl as possible.... killtacticsWhere is the "Most PC gamers don't own TEH HIGH END RIGS FOR CRYSIS LAWL". The vast majority of PC gamers (like sims fans) are probably not even going to be getting Fallout 3 to begin with. The "modern gamer" is porportionally larger on consoles. Its simple as that.
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]But if the Xbox didn't exist the developers would have no reason to dumb the games down, now would they?;)don't blame consoles b/c the devs behind deus ex and thief suck.... Why not blame the consoles too?Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
killtactics
I totally agree. Fps on a console doesn't work at all
NaiKoN9293
You forgot to add "/sarcasm" at the end ;)
[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]But if the Xbox didn't exist the developers would have no reason to dumb the games down, now would they?;)don't blame consoles b/c the devs behind deus ex and thief suck.... Why not blame the consoles too?b/c consoles dont make games:|..... and both does games were bad on the PC and xbox....Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
smokeydabear076
I've always thought that a good PC was the ultimate gaming machine, but don't you think you're being overly harsh on consoles with this topic?Private_VegasWould you hate it if the 360 became a minigame platform in vein of the Wii? Would you?
[QUOTE="killtactics"]]how do u know modern gamer only = consoles? everyone with a PC played the old fallouts? every game dev wants to appeal to as many ppl as possible.... VandalvideoWhere is the "Most PC gamers don't own TEH HIGH END RIGS FOR CRYSIS LAWL". The vast majority of PC gamers (like sims fans) are probably not even going to be getting Fallout 3 to begin with. The "modern gamer" is porportionally larger on consoles. Its simple as that.oh ok.... so what u are saying is most casual PC gamers wont get the game but most casual console gamers will get the game...... well thats convenient..... yep i guess there is no way to debate the "facts" as u so clearly presented them....
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]]how do u know modern gamer only = consoles? everyone with a PC played the old fallouts? every game dev wants to appeal to as many ppl as possible.... killtacticsWhere is the "Most PC gamers don't own TEH HIGH END RIGS FOR CRYSIS LAWL". The vast majority of PC gamers (like sims fans) are probably not even going to be getting Fallout 3 to begin with. The "modern gamer" is porportionally larger on consoles. Its simple as that.oh ok.... so what u are saying is most casual PC gamers wont get the game but most casual console gamers will get the game...... well thats convenient..... yep i guess there is no way to debate the "facts" as u so clearly presented them.... Oh so NOW you want to deny the whole, "BUT TEH CONSOLES ARE TEH MORE STANDARDIZED EXPERIENCE"? Anyoen who owns the platform can play it. Most PC gamers are probably not going to be buy the brand spanking new rigs to play this game. Big difference here.
[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="bellsmye1"][QUOTE="Subcritical"]There is a sudden stench of crapThere is no arguing the fact that a keyboard and mouse are the best input devices for FPS games. What has occured with Halo is now beginning to occur with RTS games for consoles: compromises are to be made. Less options in RTS games and an overalldumbing down of the genre. Same is happening with RPG's too. They are becoming more simple as well.
Auto-aim, increased damage zones, streamlined gameplay, lower online participants in games, smaller game worlds, lower resolutions, less choice, all attributed to the contraints of consoles and theircontrollers. Playing with your thumbs just doesn't cut it.
Don't kid yourselfes: PC>Console for FPS, RTS and RPGgames. Its too bad the Xbox is dragging the PC down.
bellsmye1
There is a sudden stench of denial. The above is FACT and has been proven. Go find the links for yourself, I won't do your homework for you.
Conversely, racing, fighting and platformers are superior using a controller. That is FACT too.
yeah.... updating a computer every 6 freakin months to play games that have been released on console rocks! Pass.To give me better performance above any console?, or give me the freedom to choose which components go in my rig? You're darn right I'll take that anyday over the plug and play mass market console experience. Don't get me wrong, I like consoles for their purpose in a few genres, but don't knock people who enjoy building and tweaking their rigs, it's a hobby.
[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]]how do u know modern gamer only = consoles? everyone with a PC played the old fallouts? every game dev wants to appeal to as many ppl as possible.... VandalvideoWhere is the "Most PC gamers don't own TEH HIGH END RIGS FOR CRYSIS LAWL". The vast majority of PC gamers (like sims fans) are probably not even going to be getting Fallout 3 to begin with. The "modern gamer" is porportionally larger on consoles. Its simple as that.oh ok.... so what u are saying is most casual PC gamers wont get the game but most casual console gamers will get the game...... well thats convenient..... yep i guess there is no way to debate the "facts" as u so clearly presented them.... Oh so NOW you want to deny the whole, "BUT TEH CONSOLES ARE TEH MORE STANDARDIZED EXPERIENCE"? Anyoen who owns the platform can play it. Most PC gamers are probably not going to be buy the brand spanking new rigs to play this game. Big difference here. but i thought ppl did't have to buy new rigs to play games on PC? what happend to "u can keep a PC for 5 years without upgrades"?.......now all of a sudden ppl need new rigs to play the game.....the funny thing about this arguments is that games like invisible war sucked on xbox... so if making it more casual = making them suck then the devs need to be shot for thinking that...
[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]I've always thought that a good PC was the ultimate gaming machine, but don't you think you're being overly harsh on consoles with this topic?VandalvideoWould you hate it if the 360 became a minigame platform in vein of the Wii? Would you?
*gets the feeling he's being set up for a trap* ........ to hell with it.
Yeah,I would be really pissed if the 360 library became flooded with minigame games.
Would you hate it if the 360 became a minigame platform in vein of the Wii? Would you?[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]I've always thought that a good PC was the ultimate gaming machine, but don't you think you're being overly harsh on consoles with this topic?Private_Vegas
*gets the feeling he's being set up for a logic trap* ........ the hell with it.
Yeah,I would be really pissed if the 360 library was became flooded with minigame games.
So you can understand our trouble then. Our games are becomming mainstreamed for the wider audience greatly inpart thanks to the console gamer. Its the same conundrum you and I have.now all of a sudden ppl need new rigs to play the game.....the funny thing about this arguments is that games like invisible war sucked on xbox... so if making it more casual = making them suck then the devs need to be shot for thinking that...killtacticsHow many years are we into the generation holmes? Thats right. That 4-5 years has already passed its mark. The games aren't out yet to make sims fans upgrade. Simple. They are making it appeal to a wider, console orientated audience.
[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Would you hate it if the 360 became a minigame platform in vein of the Wii? Would you?[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]I've always thought that a good PC was the ultimate gaming machine, but don't you think you're being overly harsh on consoles with this topic?Vandalvideo
*gets the feeling he's being set up for a logic trap* ........ the hell with it.
Yeah,I would be really pissed if the 360 library was became flooded with minigame games.
So you can understand our trouble then. Our games are becomming mainstreamed for the wider audience greatly inpart thanks to the console gamer. Its the same conundrum you and I have.yes games like fear which were made with the PC in mind were soooo mind blowing..... how did they think to have us be able to slow down time......yes games like fear which were made with the PC in mind were soooo mind blowing..... how did they think to have us be able to slow down time......killtacticsIrrelevant. We're talking about established titles becomming "conslized" or "modernized or "mainstreaminized" for the wider audience and ultimately dumbing down the experience. Two different scenarios.
[QUOTE="killtactics"]now all of a sudden ppl need new rigs to play the game.....the funny thing about this arguments is that games like invisible war sucked on xbox... so if making it more casual = making them suck then the devs need to be shot for thinking that...VandalvideoHow many years are we into the generation holmes? Thats right. That 4-5 years has already passed its mark. The games aren't out yet to make sims fans upgrade. Simple. They are making it appeal to a wider, console orientated audience.PC gamers upgrade randomly.... there is no generation.... thus no way to tell when the "mark" has passed......also sims 2 just came out...
Personally, I think FPS's are better with a controller/game pad. It feels a little more involving. Also, how are RPGs worse on a console!? I mean, the controller causes no restrictions at all in these kinds of games.
However, I totally agree with you on the RTS side. However, if these console RTS developers started allowing people to use USB/Bluetooth keyboards and mice for these games, it wouldn't be a problem. It's not so much the system, just the controller. An RTS can easily be done on PS3 or 360 as long as they support keyboard and mouse hook ups.
PC gamers upgrade randomly.... there is no generation.... thus no way to tell when the "mark" has passed......also sims 2 just came out...killtacticsPC gaming still has some relation to console generations. They mark large leaps in technology. The 6 series to the 7 series was a LARGE leap that happened at the delta of the generation. Not to mention Sims 2 can be played on really low end machines. Once Spore or Sim City Societies comes out they will upgrade.
[QUOTE="killtactics"]yes games like fear which were made with the PC in mind were soooo mind blowing..... how did they think to have us be able to slow down time......VandalvideoIrrelevant. We're talking about established titles becomming "conslized" or "modernized or "mainstreaminized" for the wider audience and ultimately dumbing down the experience. Two different scenarios.right and im talking about a game pre this.... the way u make it sound, before this PC games sould be a million times better then now when it's being "mainstreaminized".....
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]yes games like fear which were made with the PC in mind were soooo mind blowing..... how did they think to have us be able to slow down time......killtacticsIrrelevant. We're talking about established titles becomming "conslized" or "modernized or "mainstreaminized" for the wider audience and ultimately dumbing down the experience. Two different scenarios.right and im talking about a game pre this.... the way u make it sound, before this PC games sould be a million times better then now when it's being "mainstreaminized"..... Thats not the issue at all. The issue is this mainstreaminization (funky word). They are taking what made the games graet on the PC and butchering them like a cow. All the games like Deus Ex, TES, Thief, R6, etc are all former shadows of their former glory.
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]But if the Xbox didn't exist the developers would have no reason to dumb the games down, now would they?;)don't blame consoles b/c the devs behind deus ex and thief suck.... Why not blame the consoles too?b/c consoles dont make games:|..... and both does games were bad on the PC and xbox....If they did not have to worry about the console version they may have paid more attention to the PC version.Ugh. Another hermit crying because the Xbox is dumbing down his favorite games. This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.
Listen, the Xbox is not a living thing. It cannot develop games. It cannot dumb games down. If you want to throw blame around, throw it at those who deserve it. The developers and publishers are ulitmately the ones who make the decision to "dumb down" games for consoles. They are the ones who develop the games. They are the ones who do this. It is not the Xbox's fault. Petition the developers if you want them to stop dumbing your games down. Dont blame the Xbox for all your problems.
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]yes games like fear which were made with the PC in mind were soooo mind blowing..... how did they think to have us be able to slow down time......VandalvideoIrrelevant. We're talking about established titles becomming "conslized" or "modernized or "mainstreaminized" for the wider audience and ultimately dumbing down the experience. Two different scenarios.right and im talking about a game pre this.... the way u make it sound, before this PC games sould be a million times better then now when it's being "mainstreaminized"..... Thats not the issue at all. The issue is this mainstreaminization (funky word). They are taking what made the games graet on the PC and butchering them like a cow. All the games like Deus Ex, TES, Thief, R6, etc are all former shadows of their former glory.Exactly, they have to make these games appeal to a broader audience when they take it to consoles. When they make these games they focus on the console version more so then the PC version and the PC version ends up lacking standard features. Even the guys that are making Bioshock acknowledge this and they are taking precautions to ensure that it does not happen to their PC version by making a PC specific interface.
[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Would you hate it if the 360 became a minigame platform in vein of the Wii? Would you?[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]I've always thought that a good PC was the ultimate gaming machine, but don't you think you're being overly harsh on consoles with this topic?Vandalvideo
*gets the feeling he's being set up for a logic trap* ........ the hell with it.
Yeah,I would be really pissed if the 360 library was became flooded with minigame games.
So you can understand our trouble then. Our games are becomming mainstreamed for the wider audience greatly inpart thanks to the console gamer. Its the same conundrum you and I have.Damn.......got me again
I can understand that and I agree with the point you've made, for the most part. The console gamers didn't make your favourite games and even genres more mainstream. And it wasn't the MS or Sony. The developers made the ultimate decision to branch off of PC exclusivity and head to console.
But still the console manufacturers did bait the devs with their pseudo-computersand it's all dollars and cents in this industry like in any other.So I do understand how PC gamer can feel some animosity towards consoles.
Sidenote: This discussion has made me even more excited about getting my new PC next month. *bounces up and down in chair* :D
[QUOTE="Jankenstein"]yes xbox could't handle ammo:|..... im sure it had nothing to do with lazy devs..... no, they just wanted to make it friendly for the consolites who couldnt understand that shotgun shells wont fit in a flamethrower.The hugest and most horrible example of this is the transition from Deus Ex to Deus Ex: Invisible War. My favourite single player game ever was mutaliated so it could run on the XBox. They took out every feature, even ammo...
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