the hate for the 3DS is strong lately

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

This is a new handheld, you can't just assume it will be good because a previous handheld was good. The DS was a good device with strong third party supportso it was strong throughout its life cycle. The 3DS is already looking like a waste of money, it has bad 3D, terrible battery life, and hardly any 3rd party support.

StealthMonkey4

People had faith in the Wii because at the time, Nintendo was still a good company and DS was able to shake off the bad launch, Nintendo is awful now and no longer cares about quality handelds or consoles so people know that there is no hope. Sorry to break it to ya' man. I know it must be hard to accept the truth. Nintendo has been good for so many years but now they have fallen, sorry to say. It's the sad truth.

Why aren't you grasping this?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Again, did you see it's launch :/

Shinobishyguy

People had faith in the Wii because at the time, Nintendo was still a good company and DS was able to shake off the bad launch, Nintendo is awful now and no longer cares about quality handelds or consoles so people know that there is no hope. Sorry to break it to ya' man. I know it must be hard to accept the truth. Nintendo has been good for so many years but now they have fallen, sorry to say. It's the sad truth.

Why aren't you grasping this?

They're both Nintendo systems. Why aren't you grasping this. A few handheld successes while Nintendo was actually a good company, mean nothing now that Nintendo is so awful and no longer cares about good games. Again, it may be hard for you to accept the truth that Nintendo has fallen, I'm sorry, it saddens me greatly too.:cry:

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

People had faith in the Wii because at the time, Nintendo was still a good company and DS was able to shake off the bad launch, Nintendo is awful now and no longer cares about quality handelds or consoles so people know that there is no hope. Sorry to break it to ya' man. I know it must be hard to accept the truth. Nintendo has been good for so many years but now they have fallen, sorry to say. It's the sad truth.

StealthMonkey4

Why aren't you grasping this?

They're both Nintendo systems. Why aren't you grasping this. A few handheld successes while Nintendo was actually a good company, mean nothing now that Nintendo is so awful and no longer cares about good games. Again, it may be hard for you to accept the truth that Nintendo has fallen, I'm sorry, it saddens me greatly too.:cry:

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]again handheld market =/= console market

Why aren't you grasping this?

Shinobishyguy

They're both Nintendo systems. Why aren't you grasping this. A few handheld successes while Nintendo was actually a good company, mean nothing now that Nintendo is so awful and no longer cares about good games. Again, it may be hard for you to accept the truth that Nintendo has fallen, I'm sorry, it saddens me greatly too.:cry:

It's fine, it may be hard for you to accept it. Go play some older Nintendo games, relive those glory days. Nintendo has only had like 1 or 2 games come out this year. And overall this gen, they are severely lacking overall library. Not to mention cutting corners with things like bad online, gimmicky, broken motion controls, and terrible graphics. It's sad how they great have fallen.:( Things have changed, Nintendo is not how they used to be, and the 3DS won't have strong third party because of that.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

That was seven years ago, recently Nintendo has failed to impress.

StealthMonkey4

This is a new handheld, you can't just assume it will be good because a previous handheld was good. The DS was a good device with strong third party supportso it was strong throughout its life cycle. The 3DS is already looking like a waste of money, it has bad 3D, terrible battery life, and hardly any 3rd party support.

For someone who doesn't play games as much as they used to, I'm very happy with the 3DS. It is my favorite and most satisfying system purchase since the N64(I've owned a ps2,gamecube,xbox,360,ps3,psp,dslite).

I have zero problems with the 3D, other than initially tuning it in to my liking, so I don't know what you are talkinga bout their. The game lineup could be a tad stronger at the moment, but I understand what Nintendo is trying to do as far as giving 3rd parties a chance/spacing out releases. Based upon their push to get MK3DS, Mario3DS, Starfox3DS out this year, though, I think they have realized they made a mistake in holding back some titles.

The battery life could be better, but it isn't a deal breaker. Everyone I know that actually has the system loves it. The VC is extremely promising. Not only will we get a bunch of classic titles, but the potential for 3rd parties to develop--even indie parties--is very exciting. I'd imagine Nintendo has some quality control as far as what will be released, but if things become more desperate or there's consumer demand, we could be looking at some very original indie 3D gameplay games.

$250 is a lot for a portable, but keep in mind that this price also has to do with Nintendos fourthcoming home console. Over the past generation, Nintendo has been known as the "cheap" product manufacturer. These higher prices--including the ridiculous XL DS--are there to wean consumers into spending more for their products. If this means getting a more powerful home console, I support the $250 price tag.

So with Nintendos track record on portables, the imminent release of system sellers like Pokemon and Monster Hunter--this system is likely going to have a large installed base. What goes along with that is Nintendos more recent openness to "core/"mature" titles. There's no way that 3rd parties won't want to develop for the console if it is a massive success, especially considering it is powerful enough to handle a number of genres that the DS just couldn't handle properly.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

This is a new handheld, you can't just assume it will be good because a previous handheld was good. The DS was a good device with strong third party supportso it was strong throughout its life cycle. The 3DS is already looking like a waste of money, it has bad 3D, terrible battery life, and hardly any 3rd party support.

Heirren

So with Nintendos track record on portables, the imminent release of system sellers like Pokemon and Monster Hunter--this system is likely going to have a large installed base. What goes along with that is Nintendos more recent openness to "core/"mature" titles. There's no way that 3rd parties won't want to develop for the console if it is a massive success, especially considering it is powerful enough to handle a number of genres that the DS just couldn't handle properly.

I doubt Western third party support will be strong for the 3DS, simply because handhelds are not the preferred development platform in the U.S. and Europe. Most good handheld games will come from Japanese devs, but it'll be a battle to see who wins out between the PSP/NGP and 3DS - both will probably be popular systems moving forward in Japan.

In my honest opinion, the only things I hate about the 3DS are the things actually worth complaining about. The Nub stick isn't all that responsive (at least when I use it), it didn't launch with all its online features, and it still isn't backwards compatible with GBA games, but these are real complaints and they don't hurt my opinion of the handheld being great.

In my honest opinion, the only things I hate about the 3DS are the things actually worth complaining about. The Nub stick isn't all that responsive (at least when I use it), it didn't launch with all its online features, and it still isn't backwards compatible with GBA games, but these are real complaints and they don't hurt my opinion of the handheld being great.

WiiCubeM1

Hopefully these will be adressed with a remodel. I would like a longer battery life before I purchase it, 250 is alot of money. But, yeah, I'm seeing huge potential for devs to make use of.

I doubt Western third party support will be strong for the 3DS, simply because handhelds are not the preferred development platform in the U.S. and Europe.

SakusEnvoy

That is such an odd claim. If this system sells anywhere near the DS, why in the world would developers not make games for it? Do businesses not like to make money? Before, the DS was underpowered and couldn't properly handle certain genres. This time around that just isn't the case.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

I doubt Western third party support will be strong for the 3DS, simply because handhelds are not the preferred development platform in the U.S. and Europe.

Heirren

That is such an odd claim. If this system sells anywhere near the DS, why in the world would developers not make games for it? Do businesses not like to make money? Before, the DS was underpowered and couldn't properly handle certain genres. This time around that just isn't the case.

Does no one else feel like a geek for arguing speculative subjects centered around the 3DS and NGP?

. . . I should probably save this observation for a different audience.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

This is a new handheld, you can't just assume it will be good because a previous handheld was good. The DS was a good device with strong third party supportso it was strong throughout its life cycle. The 3DS is already looking like a waste of money, it has bad 3D, terrible battery life, and hardly any 3rd party support.

SakusEnvoy

So with Nintendos track record on portables, the imminent release of system sellers like Pokemon and Monster Hunter--this system is likely going to have a large installed base. What goes along with that is Nintendos more recent openness to "core/"mature" titles. There's no way that 3rd parties won't want to develop for the console if it is a massive success, especially considering it is powerful enough to handle a number of genres that the DS just couldn't handle properly.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

I doubt Western third party support will be strong for the 3DS, simply because handhelds are not the preferred development platform in the U.S. and Europe.

Shinobishyguy

That is such an odd claim. If this system sells anywhere near the DS, why in the world would developers not make games for it? Do businesses not like to make money? Before, the DS was underpowered and couldn't properly handle certain genres. This time around that just isn't the case.

But it always seems like the only companies that make good video games are from Japan. There has been a resurgence of American companies lately, but it's only ever FPSs. It's even less so on handhelds like the 3DS, where American companies don't feel like that their ideas can be fully manifested.

I'm quoting a quote quoting a guote quoting a quote... weird.

The problem I have with the 3DS is the cost tacked on with so many corners cut!

Lets compare the Iphone 4 with the 3DS. The IPhone 4 on top of being 100$ cheaper has better graphics, resolution, camera and is well a phone. These arn't little diffrences either the 3DS has a 0.3 megapixel camera while the IPhone 4 has a 5 megapixel camera! Heck even my old Black had a 2 megapixel camera. Not to mention the short battery life and eye strain. Point being if Nintendo thiks they can sell me some underpowered system and charge a huge amount because of some gimmicky 3D thing they've tacked on think again.:x

The problem I have with the 3DS is the cost tacked on with so many corners cut! Lets compare the Iphone 4 with the 3DS the IPhone 4 on top of being 100$ cheaper has better graphics resolution and camera and is well a phone. These arn't little diffrences either the 3DS has a 0.3 megapixel camera while the IPhone has a 5 megapixel camera! Heck even my old Black had a 2 megapixel camera. Not to mention the short battery life and eye strain. Point being if Nintendo thiks they can sell me some underpowered system and charge a huge amount because of some gimmicky 3D thing they've tacked on think again.Shielder7

You forgot the 3D. I think that's the reason why the 3DS costs $250.What version of the Iphone are you talking about anyway?

Read the last sentence.Shielder7

I read it, but you do have to rememberthe advanced online features on the 3DS and the 3D fqactor a lot to it's high price.

I tried out the 3DS in Best Buy and I have to say I wasn't totally impressed. It's an ambitious idea, but I was seeming to have focus problems with it. The game was Pilotwings, the part where you fly an airplane. The problem is, when I looked at the plane, everything in the background fell out of focus. When I focused on the background, the plane would fall out of focus. Has anyone else had this problem with the 3DS? If it's a common problem, it makes me wonder how the 3DS will fare when compared with the PSP.

Further, I wonder if Nintendo will take us through the whole cycle again with the 3DS? I.e., how long will it be before they release the 3DSi? And then the 3DSi XL? Hmmm....

The 3DS is cheap, tacky, and gimmicky. I owned one for two weeks before i sold it on craigslist. The display is not that good and the 3D is fairly useless under normal viewing and you can completely forget about 3D if the game wants you to move around like Face Raiders. One analog stick is really a crappy design choice. Well below average battery life is frustrating. The games...well, there is nothing too exciting to discuss presently or in the near future.

The NGP is the real deal. Really nice OLED display, capacitive touch control on the back of the unit in addition to the dual analogs sticks for superior control, really great graphics that will back up a solid hard core game line-up. The NGP is almost too exciting to think about.

The 3DS is cheap, tacky, and gimmicky. I owned one for two weeks before i sold it on craigslist. The display is not that good and the 3D is fairly useless under normal viewing and you can completely forget about 3D if the game wants you to move around like Face Raiders. One analog stick is really a crappy design choice. Well below average battery life is frustrating. The games...well, there is nothing too exciting to discuss presently or in the near future.

The NGP is the real deal. Really nice OLED display, capacitive touch control on the back of the unit in addition to the dual analogs sticks for superior control, really great graphics that will back up a solid hard core game line-up. The NGP is almost too exciting to think about.

Videodogg

Graphics can only get you so far. What I and most other retrogamers believe is that today's hardcore line-up juts lacks the spark of the quirky and addicting gameplay of older games. It is these games that the Nintendo handhelds always seem to get. Sony's problem has always been that they look to much into the future. They turn down games that stay true to tried and proven playing styles in favor of the modern, gimmicky styles of gameplay. Granted, this has worked in the past on a few titles, such as Loco-Roco and LittleBig Planet, but these titles are descendants of old platforming styles. It is my prediction that the NGP will suffer the same fate as the PSP: garnering a small, but loyal, fanbase while quietly fading away on the sidelines, while Nintendo handhelds continue to march on in the spotlight due to its adaptibility and quality games that garner a large fanbase. To most gamers, all this technical stuff doesn't mean much to us. Companies may throw these big and fancy words to make their systems seem more advanced than the competition, but what it boils down to is that in the end a system is judged on its reliability, its gameplay, its control, and its own style. The NGP does seem like a nice system, but Sony is getting to caught up in its mission to end Nintendo's reign at the top in the handheld market with its advanced systems that they are forgetting the one thing that decides a system's success: the consumer's preference. Sony leans too much on its 3rd party developers, while Nintendo has a healthy balance between quality first-party titles, well-designed 3rd party titles, and a wide range of obscure shovelware titles. It's just my opinion, but Nintendo just seems to be the only game company anymore to care more for the quality of its games and hardware than the money they make on pumping out mediocre ideas and advnaced systems designed just to outsell competition, not actually meant for the gamers it is marketed to, although Microsoft seems to finally be getting the hint. You don't have to agree with me, that is just how I fell on the madern gaming as a whole.

I tried out the 3DS in Best Buy and I have to say I wasn't totally impressed. It's an ambitious idea, but I was seeming to have focus problems with it. The game was Pilotwings, the part where you fly an airplane. The problem is, when I looked at the plane, everything in the background fell out of focus. When I focused on the background, the plane would fall out of focus. Has anyone else had this problem with the 3DS? If it's a common problem, it makes me wonder how the 3DS will fare when compared with the PSP.

Further, I wonder if Nintendo will take us through the whole cycle again with the 3DS? I.e., how long will it be before they release the 3DSi? And then the 3DSi XL? Hmmm....

MathMattS

I tried out the 3DS in Best Buy and I have to say I wasn't totally impressed. It's an ambitious idea, but I was seeming to have focus problems with it. The game was Pilotwings, the part where you fly an airplane. The problem is, when I looked at the plane, everything in the background fell out of focus. When I focused on the background, the plane would fall out of focus. Has anyone else had this problem with the 3DS? If it's a common problem, it makes me wonder how the 3DS will fare when compared with the PSP.

Further, I wonder if Nintendo will take us through the whole cycle again with the 3DS? I.e., how long will it be before they release the 3DSi? And then the 3DSi XL? Hmmm....

MathMattS

where you able to pick up the system...a lot of people say it was bolted on to the display....it is unplayable like that... to see the 3d you need it much closer to your face.

The problem I have with the 3DS is the cost tacked on with so many corners cut!

Lets compare the Iphone 4 with the 3DS. The IPhone 4 on top of being 100$ cheaper has better graphics, resolution, camera and is well a phone. These arn't little diffrences either the 3DS has a 0.3 megapixel camera while the IPhone 4 has a 5 megapixel camera! Heck even my old Black had a 2 megapixel camera. Not to mention the short battery life and eye strain. Point being if Nintendo thiks they can sell me some underpowered system and charge a huge amount because of some gimmicky 3D thing they've tacked on think again.:x

Shielder7

[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

The problem I have with the 3DS is the cost tacked on with so many corners cut!

Lets compare the Iphone 4 with the 3DS. The IPhone 4 on top of being 100$ cheaper has better graphics, resolution, camera and is well a phone. These arn't little diffrences either the 3DS has a 0.3 megapixel camera while the IPhone 4 has a 5 megapixel camera! Heck even my old Black had a 2 megapixel camera. Not to mention the short battery life and eye strain. Point being if Nintendo thiks they can sell me some underpowered system and charge a huge amount because of some gimmicky 3D thing they've tacked on think again.:x

Bread_or_Decide

the ones with the detachable square buttons and broken UMD slots? Yeah, really durable

Dun care about sales or any of that, I will start to care when games I want actually come out. 8) 110million

I seen it in store and was amazed i must say but i can imagine the exciting going away after 2hrs ...

until games come out for the system or until a price drop i may consider like £230 SERIOSULY???

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="110million"]Dun care about sales or any of that, I will start to care when games I want actually come out. 8) MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Dead or Alive: Dimensions this month!!LastRambo341

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Shielder7"]

The problem I have with the 3DS is the cost tacked on with so many corners cut!

Lets compare the Iphone 4 with the 3DS. The IPhone 4 on top of being 100$ cheaper has better graphics, resolution, camera and is well a phone. These arn't little diffrences either the 3DS has a 0.3 megapixel camera while the IPhone 4 has a 5 megapixel camera! Heck even my old Black had a 2 megapixel camera. Not to mention the short battery life and eye strain. Point being if Nintendo thiks they can sell me some underpowered system and charge a huge amount because of some gimmicky 3D thing they've tacked on think again.:x

Shinobishyguy

the ones with the detachable square buttons and broken UMD slots? Yeah, really durable

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Dead or Alive: Dimensions this month!!LastRambo341

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Dead or Alive: Dimensions this month!!LastRambo341

Wait, how? The review in EGM said it was decent--if this "uniqueness" is just the 3D, well, EGM also said it significantly affects the games framerate.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Fighters on a handheld:lol: Sheep like shoe horned console experiences now?

Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] The games makes use of the 3DS' uniqueness, if you did your research and saw the trailers. Love how you're trying to mock me ;)MFDOOM1983

Wait, how? The review in EGM said it was decent--if this "uniqueness" is just the 3D, well, EGM also said it significantly affects the games framerate.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

Wait, how? The review in EGM said it was decent--if this "uniqueness" is just the 3D, well, EGM also said it significantly affects the games framerate.

LastRambo341

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]3DS is such a joke.MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]3DS is such a joke.MFDOOM1983

It's perfectly fine for a portable. RE looks like a shrunk down version of RE5. Not only that, but it is a portable--save the theatrics for consoles. Unless the visuals were going to blow away the ps3 and 360, what's the point?

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Ya...because it is totally not the designers' fault, right?LastRambo341

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Nintendo's underpowered hardware should share the blame too.

MFDOOM1983

The hardware is great :S , after all, it is an improvement from last gen. Just because the NGP is more powerful, doesn't mean that it should follow. It is kinda ironic when you're complaining about the price, when in reality, powerful hardware =/= expensive. The cheaper the hardware, the more that developers are willing to make games on it due to low development costs.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] No, it shouldn't. Games like RE Revelations are great. Just because the NGP is stronger, doesn't mean that the 3DS can't do great looking/great performing games.LastRambo341

The hardware is great :S , after all, it is an improvement from last gen. Just because the NGP is more powerful, doesn't mean that it should follow. It is kinda ironic when you're complaining about the price, when in reality, powerful hardware =/= expensive. The cheaper the hardware, the more that developers are willing to make games on it due to low development costs.

Perhaps if they decided to put some decent hardware in 3ds instead of selling $100 hardware for $250(even more in PAL regions) we wouldn't have these issues. It's funny how tacked on 3d in a ps3 performs in the same matter as 3ds. A system where 3d is its biggest selling point.MFDOOM1983

It doesn't cost $100 to make a 3DS.

$100 is for the BOM.

3D on a PS3 requires that you buy a 3DTV and 3D glasses, its far more expensive as a 3D experience than the 3DS is.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Perhaps if they decided to put some decent hardware in 3ds instead of selling $100 hardware for $250(even more in PAL regions) we wouldn't have these issues. It's funny how tacked on 3d in a ps3 performs in the same matter as 3ds. A system where 3d is its biggest selling point.MFDOOM1983

The hardware is great :S , after all, it is an improvement from last gen. Just because the NGP is more powerful, doesn't mean that it should follow. It is kinda ironic when you're complaining about the price, when in reality, powerful hardware =/= expensive. The cheaper the hardware, the more that developers are willing to make games on it due to low development costs.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

The hardware is great :S , after all, it is an improvement from last gen. Just because the NGP is more powerful, doesn't mean that it should follow. It is kinda ironic when you're complaining about the price, when in reality, powerful hardware =/= expensive. The cheaper the hardware, the more that developers are willing to make games on it due to low development costs.

LastRambo341