The highest scoring game on the 3DS so far is 8.5

[QUOTE="Pegalamp"]@bbkkristian"Random stuff." Ypou failed to realize "I" called it an ENHANCED port at first and you also fail to realize that an ENHANCED port is a PORT. Say Crasj Bandicoot actually needed a remake (lol) and the remake was the same game but has a Boss Mode. Now If I remake Crash Bandicoot again with better graphics and take the Boss mode from the port and add it it is STILL A PORT.bbkkristian

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] MGS HD didn't include a boss battle mode or a Master Quest version now did it?IPWNDU2

In your opinion those are lousy fetaures which matters literally to no one who buys the game. Can I borrow that shovel?

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Ummm...so...they added nothing but new graphics...ported over an old feature...added a feature that takes no time at all...and it's NOT A PORT? Only in system wars would such logic be accepted. Then again...you've got zelda in ur sig....so...that ruins your credibility on the issue. FANBOY goggles FTL. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Sure buddy keep on calling me a fanboy, cause i am but thats not what we're arguing. We're arguing that this is a port or not and i made my point, if you don't accept the points I make or the definition of the word port (or remake), thats your problem.bbkkristian

FYI, SM64 DS added three new playable characters. New levels and new stars (50 I believe. Significant number of new challenges.)

Fundamentally enhancing the gameplay of the original game.

Can you say this about Portarina of Flop?

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="Pegalamp"] Look where the Ps3 is now? Most of the people who use the system don't buy games so comparing it to the 3DS makes no sense and plus, the PS3 is a console.Pegalamp

I play games on my Ps3 all the time...and I know plenty of people IRL that do the same with their's. But even so, I was comparing the Ps3 to the 3DS in the same sense that it too had a drought at launch,but is now flourishing with Quality games.And I was merely using it as an example to use it as a point to people deciding to write off a 3 month old game system because it's library isnt that impressive ATM...Sales or whether people buy Ps3 to play games or not is "IRRELEVANT".

And BTW what the **** does it matter if the PS3 is a console?...it's still a machine used to play "video games".

I wasnt aware that I bashed the Iphone....

Evil Nintendo must've used some Manchurian Candidate type mind-control methods that caused me to bad-talk the Iphone without even realizing it.

they also probaby planted a device in me where they can remotely shut down my heart if I ever called a Metroid or Zelda game less than perfect ;)

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Ummm...so...they added nothing but new graphics...ported over an old feature...added a feature that takes no time at all...and it's NOT A PORT? Only in system wars would such logic be accepted. Then again...you've got zelda in ur sig....so...that ruins your credibility on the issue. FANBOY goggles FTL. Bread_or_Decide

Sure buddy keep on calling me a fanboy, cause i am but thats not what we're arguing. We're arguing that this is a port or not and i made my point, if you don't accept the points I make or the definition of the word port (or remake), thats your problem.bbkkristian

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Sure buddy keep on calling me a fanboy, cause i am but thats not what we're arguing. We're arguing that this is a port or not and i made my point, if you don't accept the points I make or the definition of the word port (or remake), thats your problem.Shinobishyguy

What the 3DS needs is good games that aren't ports/remakes, and it is obvious by now that the launch titles suxxors just like or even more than the DS ones, and those were major suxxorz.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Problem is you're changing the definition to suit your needs. You listed two features...one of which is a port. There's nothing new in this game that shows they put any real time or effort into this re-release. Super Mario 64 DS was a remake and they didn't even upgrade it's graphics. Portarina of Flop is a port. Two features (one of which is a FRIGGIN PORT) do not make it a remake.

Pegalamp

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Problem is you're changing the definition to suit your needs. You listed two features...one of which is a port. There's nothing new in this game that shows they put any real time or effort into this re-release. Super Mario 64 DS was a remake and they didn't even upgrade it's graphics. Portarina of Flop is a port. Two features (one of which is a FRIGGIN PORT) do not make it a remake.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] I'm done feeding, closing argument: SM64 is a remake but Ocarina 3D isn't? Okay you need to get out and actually play the game. Pegalamp

[QUOTE="Pegalamp"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] List me all of the gameplay changes inside of OOT 3DS that adds levels, characters, and new areas to explore. Please list them for me, thanks. I'll take back everything I said if you do this. If you do not then it is indeed a port and not a remake. Ball is in your court. Bread_or_Decide

OOT 3ds may not be a full remake, but they certainly put alot more effort than bumping up the resolution.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Pegalamp"] Apparently better graphics are the reason for it being a remake if you exclude the modes that are from ports anyway. So all those GBA "Ports" are "Remakes" by their logic which makes no sense. So one last time, it is not a port and BBK has already scrwed up./Shinobishyguy

OOT 3ds may not be a full remake, but they certainly put alot more effort than bumping up the resolution.

All those HD collections are not ports either. Awesome. Bread_or_Decide

indeed, funny part is that alot of these users here that are praising OOT 3D were bashing the PSP to death when it was getting remakes, now it suddenly is the best thing ever. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it definitely isn't. but that double standard is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] All those HD collections are not ports either. Awesome. qewrewq

indeed, funny part is that alot of these users here that are praising OOT 3D were bashing the PSP to death when it was getting remakes, now it suddenly is the best thing ever. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it definitely isn't. but that double standard is ridiculous.

OOT doesn't really loose anything in it's jump to a handheld

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] All those HD collections are not ports either. Awesome. Shinobishyguy

indeed, funny part is that alot of these users here that are praising OOT 3D were bashing the PSP to death when it was getting remakes, now it suddenly is the best thing ever. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it definitely isn't. but that double standard is ridiculous.

I have a PS2, and had a PSP, you couldn't notice the difference on the small screen, but on the controls part I do agree, but 3DS has the same issue, one analoge nub, and I can't stand touch screen controls.

But I guess OOT isn't a downgrade control wise either, since it was a N64 game.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="qewrewq"]

indeed, funny part is that alot of these users here that are praising OOT 3D were bashing the PSP to death when it was getting remakes, now it suddenly is the best thing ever. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it definitely isn't. but that double standard is ridiculous.

qewrewq

I have a PS2, and had a PSP, you couldn't notice the difference on the small screen, but on the controls part I do agree, but 3DS has the same issue, one analoge nub, and I can't stand touch screen controls.

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] All those HD collections are not ports either. Awesome. Shinobishyguy

indeed, funny part is that alot of these users here that are praising OOT 3D were bashing the PSP to death when it was getting remakes, now it suddenly is the best thing ever. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it definitely isn't. but that double standard is ridiculous.

OOT doesn't really loose anything in it's jump to a handheld

OOT never used a second analog stick in the first place, so it's not like it's a problem. The camera does a fine job keeping track of your character.Shinobishyguy

yeah I remembered that and edited my post, but even the spinoffs used to get bashed on the PSP, people used to say these games are much more suited for a console and is gimped control wise, and 3DS will definitely get alot of these types of games because its able to pull it off graphicaly, but that's not really the thread for discussing this.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Pegalamp"] Apparently better graphics are the reason for it being a remake if you exclude the modes that are from ports anyway. So all those GBA "Ports" are "Remakes" by their logic which makes no sense. So one last time, it is not a port and BBK has already scrwed up./Shinobishyguy

OOT 3ds may not be a full remake, but they certainly put alot more effort than bumping up the resolution.

This is true. OOT 3DS isn't a simple port, they changed various assets of the game. They modified some geometry in some objects, upped polygons in them, added new textures and objects, added new control schemes. This isn't just copy/paste with some modifications to the code here and there or emulation to make it work like in the average port. The problem is what makes a remake?

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] All those HD collections are not ports either. Awesome. glez13

OOT 3ds may not be a full remake, but they certainly put alot more effort than bumping up the resolution.

This is true. OOT 3DS isn't a simple port, they changed various assets of the game. They modified some geometry in some objects, upped polygons in them, added new textures and objects, added new control schemes. This isn't just copy/paste with some modifications to the code here and there or emulation to make it work like in the average port. The problem is what makes a remake?

So? It took months for the DS to even get its first AAA games.

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?platform=1026&mode=all&sort=post_date&dlx_type=all&sortdir=desc&official=all

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]do those HD ports update the textures, character models, add extra details to many areas, and bump up the framerate as well as update the user interface?

OOT 3ds may not be a full remake, but they certainly put alot more effort than bumping up the resolution.

Bread_or_Decide

This is true. OOT 3DS isn't a simple port, they changed various assets of the game. They modified some geometry in some objects, upped polygons in them, added new textures and objects, added new control schemes. This isn't just copy/paste with some modifications to the code here and there or emulation to make it work like in the average port. The problem is what makes a remake?

Super Mario 64 DS was a remake and they didn't even upgrade it's graphics. Portarina of Flop is a port. Two features (one of which is a FRIGGIN PORT) do not make it a remake.

Bread_or_Decide

So adding nothing to a game makes it a remake, but giving it NEW features means it's a port? Please explain

So? It took months for the DS to even get its first AAA games.

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?platform=1026&mode=all&sort=post_date&dlx_type=all&sortdir=desc&official=all

magiciandude

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Super Mario 64 DS was a remake and they didn't even upgrade it's graphics. Portarina of Flop is a port. Two features (one of which is a FRIGGIN PORT) do not make it a remake.

AvatarMan96

So adding nothing to a game makes it a remake, but giving it NEW features means it's a port? Please explain

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="glez13"]

This is true. OOT 3DS isn't a simple port, they changed various assets of the game. They modified some geometry in some objects, upped polygons in them, added new textures and objects, added new control schemes. This isn't just copy/paste with some modifications to the code here and there or emulation to make it work like in the average port. The problem is what makes a remake?

Shinobishyguy

Super Mario 64 DS was a remake and they didn't even upgrade it's graphics. Portarina of Flop is a port. Two features (one of which is a FRIGGIN PORT) do not make it a remake.Bread_or_Decide

Adding nothing but graphics to a game makes it a port. New features makes it a remake.Bread_or_Decide

So you admit that OoT has a new feature and you also say that new features makes it a remake, so does that mean that OoT is a remake?

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Blah...just graphics...I can play the same game and the original graphics have a charm of their own anyway. There's more to graphics...sheep used to say...now they are the graphic whores. Bread_or_Decide

But go ahead, continue blindly dismissing the improvements made if it make you feel any better.

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Super Mario 64 DS was a remake and they didn't even upgrade it's graphics. Portarina of Flop is a port. Two features (one of which is a FRIGGIN PORT) do not make it a remake.

Bread_or_Decide

So adding nothing to a game makes it a remake, but giving it NEW features means it's a port? Please explain

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Super Mario 64 DS was a remake and they didn't even upgrade it's graphics. Portarina of Flop is a port. Two features (one of which is a FRIGGIN PORT) do not make it a remake.DSmon

Adding nothing but graphics to a game makes it a port. New features makes it a remake.Bread_or_Decide

So you admit that OoT has a new feature and you also say that new features makes it a remake, so does that mean that OoT is a remake?

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Shrug...Ocarina of Time on the N64 scored AAA with those issues. Petty issues.

Bread_or_Decide

But go ahead, continue blindly dismissing the improvements made if it make you feel any better.

Port? Port. Port. Port. Port. Bread_or_Decide

You sure are persistent.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] OoT has one feature that's a PORT and another that took little to no thought to add to the game.AvatarMan96

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] OoT has one feature that's a PORT and another that took little to no thought to add to the game.Bread_or_Decide

Be a while before I invest in one (hell I bought a DS lite last year) but I have no doubt there will be AAA games...eventually.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Port.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="AvatarMan96"] Let's see....Boss Battle mode, Master Quest (it's not new, but it's a good inclusion), touch screen controls for items, gyroscope controls....only one of these FEATURES count?Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] None of them fundamentally change the game. . Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]You asked for new features, he listed them.

AvatarMan96

Lol OoT 3D is a remake. Stop being in denial. It has improve graphics, changes, and added stuff like a updated master quest and a boss rush mode. This is not a port. If SM64 DS is a remake so is OoT 3D.

Again Mario 64 DS is what an actual REMAKE does. Adds NEW THINGS TO THE MOTHER LOVING GAME!!!Bread_or_Decide

New features does not equal remakeBread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

Lol OoT 3D is a remake. Stop being in denial. It has improve graphics, changes, and added stuff like a updated master quest and a boss rush mode. This is not a port. If SM64 DS is a remake so is OoT 3D.

Bread_or_Decide

I am not the one mindlessly bashing the 3DS to the point of not even trying now.;)