The implications of a new PS4 and how can it take away some fans from PC.

Considering you try to claim that 80 million people own hardware stronger than the PS4 on steam anything you say should be taken with a truck load of salt.

Competitive is any game were you can compete with others,this sad notion that a game is competitive what other aren't is a joke and another crazy dream of Hermits who think everything they have is superior.

Even freaking Pokemon is a competitive game.

Turn based game reigned on consoles for a long time,there are strategy to and many others,you would be surprise is not 2000 any more is 2016 and FPS are old on consoles by now,so many are use to thumb sticks hell now more and more games support console controllers on PC i wonder why.

Again you should go back to your lemming account you are not fooling any one.

You wont show them because you are using GPU weaker than the PS4 to inflate your % you just prove it .

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1127?vs=1130

The R265 is stronger than the 750TI is not my opinion and while the 750ti can beat it in some games,it is mostly because the game is Nvidia biased heavily,other wise it would not beat it.

So again you are using GPU weaker than the PS4 to pad your % which is why you don't want to show the real numbers,you claim it you back it up is simple.

How did you got an R9 390 for $279 7 or 8 months ago.? Now still $300 and on launch it was like $330 last year.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20601107976

Again you lowering numbers to help your argument,.?

No not all 7850 came with 2 games and not all 7870 came with 4 games,and you NEED a PC to put those components which wasn't free either you think that PC mean just a GPU and thats it no is not like that,and you can simple slap a 7850 into a $400 walmart PC with a low budget CPU and cheap memory because on PC you will be bottleneck way more than on consoles.

Chalk another one for the PS4.

While this thread is on Ultra you can see the 750ti doing 20FPS and dropping to 14FPS,as you can see even dropping to high will not get you even close to 60FPS which the PS4 does on high says DF.

Doom is one perfect example is not a CPU heavy game that will cripple performance at least not well coded and a Pentium G4400 and G3258 can blast 100FPS+ with a 980ti.

So this is all GPU which is the reason the xbox one also falls greatly behind the PS4 while dropping close to 720p the PS4 doesn't do that.

So this is another game that show the PS4 can top a 750ti,and that is with a i7 the PS4 is using jaguar remember that should hold it back,but i think this is a well optimize game on PS4 hell even on xbox one as most of the time held close to 60FPS .

Mind you DF claim it is the best looking 1080p 60FPS game on consoles.

Ultra PC vs PS4 as you can see the PS4 hold incredibly well so stop using GPU under PS4 levels to pad your % now i am sure that is what you are doing.

@tormentos One last thing, we talked about the i3 for serious gaming. Be honest, if some guy approached you about building a PC for "serious gaming(performance)" would you seriously build a system based around an i3?

While being honest admit that a ridiculous small % of people on steam actually own a freaking serious gaming rig,should start by that,if you are not first your last anything below the 980TI or Fury is under power just like the PS4 is under power.

You can't have a medium or warm here,is best or get out owning a 970 will not deliver max settings in all scenarios and 60FPS so again the point is moot because dropping settings or resolution put you exactly were the PS4 is and xbox one as well adjusting to what you have,so while some may have better performance than the PS4 they still lose with other PC which are stronger and they aren't any better again than a console gamer.

The PS4 was never sold as the most powerful hardware vs PC,many and i may self claimed it would be 7850 like.

@tormentos:

You should have presented the entire table or a link. As it was you were cherry picking. I'm sure that i3 beating the i5 in Shadow of Mordor is an optimization issue, it isn't explainable otherwise and only occurred in one game.

You displayed the 1% of performance, a best case scenario, with an i3 as a representation of i3s being good for gaming. They are not, the 99% of i3s are even more miserable then the data you showed which still saw framerates almost halved in some games.

GTA V and Witcher 3 aren't "der the unoptimization", GTA V requires much more memory and CPU grunt to run at higher frame rates consistently because of the amount of activity and the PS4 version of Witcher 3 was just pushed to more than the PS4 can do in the more graphically intensive areas of the game.

Faster memory available only to one small group of i3s. It's not a bottleneck issue, that's not how that graph (or gaming) works. Faster RAM speed alleviates some of the difference in computation throughput for the i3. If it was a bottleneck you would see even greater performance jumps in the i5/i7. The quad cores don't need incredibly fast RAM in gaming, they have the power to keep up with compute demands.

I'm not downplaying the source. I'm pointing out a conflict.

For the last time, I don't care how many steam users are casual 12 year olds playing LoL on their laptops. The PS4 is still weak, its CPU is weak, and I dare say it because my 6700k/4690k and 980 Ti absolutely shit on it regardless of what casuals own.

-Global gaming hardare sales and Steam hardware survey(which is actually a conservative estimate since many Eu/Asia pirates don't even use Steam. It's still hardware sold. It's probably 3x).

-You are insulting the entire forums intelligence by calling PS4's competitive games (does it even have any other than SFV?) remotely the same league/popularity/draw as PC's. People who mostly play high skill cap MP genres like Moba, RTS, and competitive-shooters are not going to switch to PS4K, and these are the highest played games on PC. PS4K doesn't even have two of those genres, and those who play CS:GO and TF2(PC) are looking forward to Unreal and Overwatch(PC), they will NOT going to switch to PS4k and thumbsticks. They are going to use that $4-600 so they can continue to play better version of most PS4K games on TOP of actual competitive titles with KB/M. It didn't happen with PS3 and PS4, it won't happen with PS4K.

-PS4 does not have turn based games like Civ, DoW, Xcom2, or TW. A PC gamer who loves or is looking forward to Xcom, Totalwar, Civilizations, and Dawn of War are not going to switch to PS4K to play handful of completely different console TB games. This is an utterly ludicrous notion. It didn't happen with PS3 and PS4, it won't happen with PS4K

Now, PS4 may capture PC gamers who currently only play Multiplats and don't care for KB/M, and already have such a bad rig were using that $400-600 to just upgrade to be better than PS4K is not feasible. Considering these gamers already only play multiplats, it's doubtful their rig is so bad and they don't already own a shoddy vanilla PS4. So statistically, an insignificant number.

@tormentos said:

You wont show them because you are using GPU weaker than the PS4 to inflate your % you just prove it .

No. I don't bother because I know how you are and it will go on for ages.

tormentos said:

How did you got an R9 390 for $279 7 or 8 months ago.? Now still $300 and on launch it was like $330 last year.

Again you lowering numbers to help your argument,.?

Nope. $279.99 from Newegg and they got even cheaper...

tormentos said:

No not all 7850 came with 2 games and not all 7870 came with 4 games

Yes, the majority actually did as it was a major AMD promotion for the 7xxx-series. You'd have to be willfully stupid to miss it:

7790 came with Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, and FC3 Blood Dragon

7850 was 2 games from 8 game selection including Sleeping Dogs, Deus Ex HR, Dirt 3, and Hitman Absolution

7870 GE came with the same games as the 7790 above, but with Crysis 3 included.

---

Digital Foundry:

"Across four multi-platform titles, the R7 260X holds up very close against Xbox One and PS4 - even improving in some areas, faltering only on Call of Duty: Ghosts." Same for TW3.

tormentos said:

Other stuff.

@gamecubepad said:

No. I don't bother because I know how you are and it will go on for ages.

Nope. $279.99 from Newegg and they got even cheaper...

tormentos said:

No not all 7850 came with 2 games and not all 7870 came with 4 games

Yes, the majority actually did as it was a major AMD promotion for the 7xxx-series. You'd have to be willfully stupid to miss it:

7790 came with Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, and FC3 Blood Dragon

7850 was 2 games from 8 game selection including Sleeping Dogs, Deus Ex HR, Dirt 3, and Hitman Absolution

7870 GE came with the same games as the 7790 above, but with Crysis 3 included.

---

Digital Foundry:

"Across four multi-platform titles, the R7 260X holds up very close against Xbox One and PS4 - even improving in some areas, faltering only on Call of Duty: Ghosts." Same for TW3.

No you don't bother because you make shit up,just like you just try to pass the 750ti as more powerful than the PS4..lol

Oh really so the R390 is now under $279 on newegg.?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127874

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202164

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20600565504

I don't have to make shit up,cheapest model $299 the one at $279 is a refurbished model.

No the majority didn't man stop inventing shit sure some models did but those were deals not lasting long,and again a GPU alone does shit without a PC.

Yes and DF as well say that the 750TI with a 200mhz OC and a 400mhz OC to memory fall behind the PS4.

@tormentos:

come on now , back in January you could have picked up a 390 for $270. Prices fluctuate, sales go on and to the fact all manufacturers have stopped production on older cards since march/april gearing up for new series. Prices will not drop and will continue to rise.

PowerColor PCS+ Radeon R9 390

299.99, $279.99 after rebate card and comes with a free game.

@tormentos:

Weak response. Fact is, R9 390 has been available as low as $259 since late last year. You were owned, admit it.

The PS4 is consistently beaten by the i3/750ti which by DF's own words is interchangeable with fx-6300/260x. PS4 is provably weaker than a 260x, which is an oc'd 7790.

It's my take that the PS4k will slot next to ~$200 Polaris GPUs in performance.

@04dcarraher:

Tormy doesn't want to admit that even months before PS4 released more powerful GPUs were shipping for $150-175 with a $100+ of games bundled. That PS4 has a $100 GPU with $40 of VRAM sharing a slow memory bus with a tablet CPU. Cows would tell me in 2013 that based on the PS4's specs, it would take a 7950 to beat it. Then DF has a 260x putting the beat down on the PS4. The hardliners are completely delusional.

P.S.- Nice deal on that 390. Sapphire is a great brand, I had a Sapphire 7870xt and it was a beast, yet ran at acceptable noise levels. Not as good as the Powercolor PCS+ 7870 Myst I had it paired with, but still top-notch brand.

@gamecubepad:

PS4 gpu is more in line with 265 not 260, The cpu holds back the gpu in most cases.

But anyways I remember some saying it would comparable or beat 79XX gpu, But tormentos has stated in the past before PS4 release, not as bad as some but still exaggerates being hopeful that it can. Suggesting 7gb of ram for video, or PS4 gpu beating 7850 and probably the 7870....

Lol so much for the 480 matching a FuryX/980 Ti. See how foolish you look now?

@Juub1990: Happens every gen. They'll never learn.

Here is what I said when he was claiming Polaris 10(whatever is inside the Neo) would match a 980 Ti.

More gems from @tormentos

Stop ignoring the links i am posting that polaris GPU with 36CU was beating a titan black,and faster than the Hawaii XT,hell they even say it was close to Nvidia leaked 1080 GTX and 1070 benchmark we are atalking about some serious power man.

Lol of course it is close to a GTX 1080. The 1080 is just twice as fast.

I doubt the 1080GTX is less than $800 That is twice what the PS4 would cost but you will not get twice the performance.

Yeah except when the MSRP is a full 200$ less than 800$ lmao. The MSRP is 599$ bro. Not 800$.

Is the 36CU one and is already beating Titans black,hawaii XT and close to the 1080 and 1070GTX,imaging the 64 one.

LMAO!!!!

If Polaris 10 is inside the PS4 with 36CU and 911 mhz that PS4 will be a freaking beast

The 480 is decent for its price but far from being a beast. The maximum frequency is 1267 and it barely beats a 970, a GPU that came out 2 years ago. At 911Mhz the Neo won't exactly be a beast. Especially when by then, we'll likely have a 1080 Ti and Vega will be right around the corner.

Reality is buying a new PC with a Polaris GPU will probably be $900 to $1,000 depending on the CPU in question.

The 480's MSRP is only 199$. You can easily build a PC of around 650$ with a 200$ GPU inside. A far cry from your 1K$ claims.

Well when you are offer a Polaris 10 gpu for $400 i say many could stir and buy a console even if they don't drop PC as main platform they still can win sony some sales,from the angle of hardware alone it make perfect sense.

You heard it folk. 480 is 400$.

The PS4 one is say to be clocked even higher 911mz vs the sample unit if this ^^ hold up there is no freaking chance in hell that any one can consider the PS4 as = to a mid range GPU.

Whelp. Looks like whatever is inside the PS4 IS a mid-range GPU.

I am sure it will be more than $300 bullshit it would be $200 even a R9 390 isn't that and that polaris GPU is stronger.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127874

So either you link me to proof from AMD that it will cost $200 or drop the shit man not even the damn 390 is $200 hell is over $300 and the X version is even more expensive.

Supposedly there was no way the 480 would be less than 300$. See how utterly stupid you look @tormentos?

We do i start well you are an idiot you are taking a thread that has being dead for a month and that was done before Polaris price was reveal you idiot,in fact the price has being know for quite some time fool.

Quote me saying it would beat a 980ti because you are randomly quoting what you like.

Hell the one part were you say You hear it folks $400 is not even referring to the 480 idiot,is referring to buying a PS4 with a polaris 10 GPU for $400 you MORON.

But then again we know how fragile is your mind and how one sided it can be when you are corner,enough to side with stupid people who claim PSU don't generate heat or with morons who claim the Galaxy S7 Samsumg flagship new phone is $200,because the fool think that is all you pay for it..lol

Let look at it this way i am wrong in several parts there,i don't have a problem with that just like you were wrong in many the different is i am saying i am while you refuse to admit when your wrong and simple side with any epic moron you can find to attack me even personally like you did a few days ago without i wasn't even quoting you.

Quote me being wrong lol.

GTX 1080 at 800$

Polaris 10 sure to be above 300$.

You're some serious comedy material @tormentos. Ever did stand-up?

hell they even say it was close to Nvidia leaked 1080 GTX and 1070 benchmark we are atalking about some serious power man.

Did you seriously believe that trash lol?

Read the thread again. I said the benchmarks were inconclusive and we couldn't extrapolate from that. You replied your point wasn't that a 480 could match a 980 Ti(in the Hitman benchmark) but did match and even beat a Fury X and you extrapolated upon that to suggest the 480 would be uber powerful when it's simply a mid-range GPU. Not nearly the powerhouse you led us to believe. Better yet, you claimed to have owned the hermits when you're the one who looks stupid now. You had no freakin idea what you were talking about. We said there was no way a mid-range GPU was matching a top-tier card from the previous gen and you denied it by showing ONE QUESTIONABLE benchmark of the 480 matching a Fury X. I suggested to wait but you kept digging yourself in a hole.

Oh this shit is glorious lol.

More gems from our favorite Sony fanboy.

@tormentos What my link claims,yeah the test is not 4k but never the less Polaris 10 at 800mhz was matching and having more stable frames than a Fury X,so this is a considerably powerful GPU the one inside the PS4 is say to be even higher clocked 911mhz,which should deliver a few frames more if it was tested under the same conditions on PC.

It's decent. Not considerably powerful.

I don't know in what planet you live here on this one,sources are claiming that polaris 10,will deliver near 980ti results,in case you don't know it the 980ti is basically the top dog on the dog pound,so we are talking here about serious power,also it would be cheaper way cheaper than a 980ti is,claiming $300 or so which make even more sense on why will it be inside the PS4,and taking as fact that it also has low TDP and great performance per watt.

AHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF do you get by CLOSE to 980ti.? Is Polaris 10 is close to a 980ti that mean it can very well beat it on games that are AMD biased.

Too bad it's nowhere near as fast as a 980 Ti. The mere fact you entertained the possibility makes your responses more hilarious.

Ultra you can just admit it or leave on denial and is not the only source claiming 980ti like performance from polaris 10.

You actually believed that?

my view is actually on the performance vs AMD own cards because that is what it show performance relation better,so it was able to match a Fury well that tell me most of the time it will be close to a Fury which is great

Nope.

Someone looks like a fool now...

@Juub1990: you had to bring him down didn't you lmao.

@tormentos: SSshhhhh....just let it happen.

You should take a break from hardware discussions.

@tormentos: .... It's been known for quite awhile that a i3 and 750ti combo outperforms the PS4 in multiplats by like 30%... I mean digital foundry did a whole thing about this.. The PS4 is a aging piece of hardware..

lol..

Some some of you are down right mad..hahahahaa

Fact is many of the stuff he is arguing is taken out of context but 2 can play that game,the sad troll is juts mad because i made him look like a fool...lol

With GUSTO...

@Juub1990 said:

@tormentos For one, there is no current GCN GPU with 36CU's. The problem with the premise of your post is that you are assuming the PS4 will use the exact same GPU as the Polaris 10 that was recently leaked which is flawed. It might be a custom chip based on it but there will be key differences which will more likely than not, put the PS4 at a step above. We know Polaris 10 will use HBM2 and we know the PSNeo will stick to GDDR5.

Wait did you just claim Polaris 10 would come with HBM2.? Wait the RX480 use GDDR5 in both models the 4 and 8 GB model....

So you were WRONG as well because well it was speculation,the problem is you can't admit it.

@Juub1990 said:

Polaris 10 is expected to have a TDP of around 125W. Isn't that more than the PS4 TDP already?(which I cannot seem to find online).

Wrong again..........

@Juub1990 said:

If they consume too much power, just attach a power brick. Yeah, it's ugly but it works.

Oh you agree with my theory now that is cute...lol

@Juub1990 said:

@wizard His point I think is that Polaris 10 is comparable to a Fury according to the benchmark. Fury can in some rare cases beat out a 980 Ti(at higher-res in AMD favored games). In that bench both Polaris 10 and Fury benefit from DX12 support so the fact that they are close suggests whatever is inside the Neo might be around the level of a Fury.

@tormentos At least that's what I understood from your posts.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-implications-of-a-new-ps4-and-how-can-it-take--33106263/?page=5

Oh so you got it then but now you want to pretend other wise how nicely.... hahahaaaa

My PC has a decent GPU.. put's the 7850 to shame, where it matters is the CPU for me, crunch's Sony Vegas and Handbrake in a heart beat and has epic amounts of IPC for it's age.

No in fact in SWBF3 the PS4 outdo an i3 and a 750ti with a 200 OC to its GPU,but then again SWBF3 is a DX12 game which is highly optimized on consoles is a async shader game,so using heavy async the PS4 beat a 750ti OC with 200mhz OC to its core and 400mhz OC on its memory.

Ahahaha!! Idiot.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-implications-of-a-new-ps4-and-how-can-it-take--33106263/?page=4

@Juub1990 Wait, so Polaris 10 will not use HBM2? I was convinced it would. All I've seen is it has 2.5x the perf/w of 28nm. The Vega will supposedly use HBM2.

Here is me saying it won't use HBM2. Nice try though.

Oh you agree with my theory now that is cute...lol

I never disagreed. I said others shouldn't bother argue with you because you ignore points and are a fuckn idiot.

Oh so you got it then but now you want to pretend other wise how nicely.... hahahaaaa

And you never answered me and you kept raving on about how Polaris 10 supposedly would be uber powerful and made outlandish claims and that there were reports of it even coming close to a 1070/1080 lol.

Wrong again..........

Hur hur Cretinosaurus Rex. I said that because WCCFTECH said it. I even linked my source. They claimed it would be 125W and I reported it. I said that is what is expected. I never said it would hold true or that it is even credible. Hell I even told @wizard WCCFTech is not a reliable source.

http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris-10-gpu-specs-leaked/

So I was wrong exactly 0 freakin times and you were wrong so many times I couldn't even fit all your dumb posts into a single one of mine.

Take a break from hardware discussions son. This thread is a gold mine of material to laugh at you. I even told you to wait but you jumped the gun and went crazy and now you look like a buffoon and are the laughing stock of System Wars which is honestly quite an achievement because there are already so many clowns here.

That was after you learned it wold not fool,you claim first it had HBM2 on that same thread a few pages back...lol

You know when you know some one is right and you try the person who is right as an idiot,and you side with the ones wrong you are the big idiot,after all PSU generate heat and you know it,what the fool arguing with proved was that sony had a good way to get that heat out,hell you were even questioning the TDP on the PS4 because Polaris 10 on your eyes was to much..lol

Maybe you didn't know that the PS3 had a 380watt PSU and generate may more heat than the PS4 soc.

Yes and i say that because WCCFTECH also claim polaris 10 at 800mhz was running Hitamn at 60FPS in 1440p which the Fury does and the R390X,so just like i was wrong because of them you were as well funny thing is you don't see it that way,as you think it was I...lol

So what will it be because all my predictions were based on leaks from sites like the one you also claim to get your stuff,you believe the watts to be 125 but didn't believe the benchmarks,so you believed what you wanted as simple as that.

No you were wrong 2 times and i quoted you told me it would be HBM2..lol

We know Polaris 10 will use HBM2 and we know the PSNeo will stick to GDDR5.

Page 3..

Wait, so Polaris 10 will not use HBM2? I was convincied it would.

Page 4...you learned it would not be HBM2 before that you claimed it would be HBM2 and you use it against Neo..lol

And is irrelevant if WCCFTech is were you got the 125 watts claim.

That is the same place i got 1440p 60FPS on hitman and it was also wrong,as card has showed recently.

So you can't have it both ways and like i already told you i can admit that i make a few mistake you can't period.

@tormentos That was after you learned it wold not fool,you claim first it had HBM2 on that same thread a few pages back...lol

Doesn't matter. You can't call me out on it because I corrected myself literally the same day. You used all of your shit as gospel and it was rubbish.

You know when you know some one is right and you try the person who is right as an idiot,and you side with the ones wrong you are the big idiot,after all PSU generate heat and you know it,what the fool arguing with proved was that sony had a good way to get that heat out,hell you were even questioning the TDP on the PS4 because Polaris 10 on your eyes was to much..lol

Yeah I was questioning because nothing was certain. There was no way a mid-range card clocked at 800Mhz would be trading blows with a Fury X which is what made me highly skeptical. This is why I proposed to wait but you kept going on and on and on and now look like a tool even more than back then.

And is irrelevant if WCCFTech is were you got the 125 watts claim.

Of course it is. I said it is EXPECTED to have a TDP of 125W. Not that it does or that it is even a credible source. I even told WCCFTech is NOT a credible source.

You went on a campaign of 17 pages trying to claim the 480 would be some kind of sick GPU that would scare off a 980 Ti and could potentially approach a 1080/1070 only to completely crash and burn. I was always conservative with my stance because I know not to believe leaks and treat them as fact. We told you there would be no effin' way the 480 would be even close to the 980 Ti yet you firmly believed a meager 800Mhz simple could approach a Fury X when even a 1267Mhz model doesn't come close. How does that foot taste?

I also TOLD you those Hitman benchmarks were extremely questionable and well here you go, turns out they were bogus.

And here is what I said about that source:

@wizard: It's WCCFTech. They are known for clickbaiting.

Everyone agrees that you look like the fool here. 800$ for a GTX 1080? Really bro? People are even calling 599$ overpriced and most of the knowledgeable guys(not you) were expecting 549$.

... One game.. Witcher 3 runs faster on said system, Fallout 4 runs faster on said system, Assassin's Creed Syndicate runs faster on said system.. Even with games like SWBF3 the system literally is 2fps behind tops.. So a entry level machine either matches or surpasses the PS4..

@tormentos: Just admit you were wrong and everybody will move on with their lives. At least until the next console comes out...

I won't. I'll keep laughing at him until next gen rolls around.

Bumping for glory. More gems I dug up. all from @tormentos

That Polaris GPU demo ran Hitman at 1440p max out faster than the 980ti did which is quite something man,and that one is 800mhz the one inside the PS4 is 911mhz actually faster.

Here you are claiming the PS4 has a Polaris 10 equivalent to the supposed benchmarks of the RX480 but even faster lol.

980GTX In fact depending on the game that GPU inside the PS4 can beat the 980ti which is a close to $700 GPU.

And even more here. ROFL.

Dude Neo PS4 will carry one of those new age GPU,the GPU inside the PS4 Neo is say to be Polaris which is AMD new line of GPU it isn't even out,in fact the one on PS4 is say to be Polaris 10 which has 36 CU that is basically a top of the ling GPU and over mid range quite easy.

More again.

Read the thread bro. It's full of you making outlandish claims.

And this is you basically claiming the PS4 has a RX480 inside of it.

More for less can you get a PC with a polaris 10 GPU or equivalent for $400 which is the rumor price.? If so tell me where so i can jump in. :).

Funniest part I actually own a Pro and a PC with two GTX 1080's. Tormentos still rocks a shitty i3 with an entry-level GPU and a base PS4 he got recently. You sure love to talk tormentos.

LMAO!

Yes and everything there is based on a Leaked benchmark dishonest lemming.

This was based on a benchmark that claimed the at 800mhz Polaris beat the 980TI,that is what you fail to note on your pathetic argument,fact is you claim polaris 10 would use HBM2 memory when in fact it did not.

And you claimed there was no 36CU GPU..

AMD's Polaris 10 engineering sample has been pictured and shown running Hitman at Ultra Settings at a constant 60+ FPS at 1440p, which is an impressive feat given that in our testing the the R9 Fury X was not even able to average 60FPS at these settings.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_polaris_10_engineering_sample_pictured/1

This is what my argument was all about....

I did have data backing me up is not my fault that AMD so call leaks never materialize Polaris ended up being way weaker that leaked benchmark showed..

The leaked benchmark showed a 800mhz engineer sample beating a 980ti on hitman,that result wasn't even the important one and i claimed,it was the fact that it was matching a damn FuryX GPU on hitman the real shocker.

Reality is if the end product which by the end ended drawing more power than advertised by AMD would have come as it was say at 911mhz the PS4 would have being a power house.

Non of my post were based on blind fanboysm all were based on POLARIS leak benchmakrs and is there..

You are so desperate to beat me that you will dishonestly quote things as serve you best and ignore detail worry not i am here to make you look like an ass....

That Polaris GPU demo ran Hitman at 1440p max out faster than the 980ti did which is quite something man,and that one is 800mhz the one inside the PS4 is 911mhz actually faster.

That Polaris GPU demo ran Hitman at 1440p max out faster than the 980ti did which is quite something man,and that one is 800mhz the one inside the PS4 is 911mhz actually faster.

Thank you for making it this easy...

Irrefutable proof that everything was based on benchmarks which didn't materialize because AMD intentional leaks didn't live up to the hype...

Yeah keep being the laughing stock of the forum. What a clown lol. Good thing I stickied this thread. Looking at your foolish statements is pure glory. Nice try with the excuses.

@Juub1990: please don't bump old threads