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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]
3 Uncharteds on a 5 year old PS3. 2 Zeldas on a 5 year old Wii. So 3 in one gen is the magic number when something goes from "only 2 games" to "yearly releases?"
ZIMdoom
In those 2 Zelda games...we've seen the same characters that have been used since N64, the story pretty much doesn't exist and hasn't really changed since the very first zelda game from NES. The same gameplay since NES, there has been no story progression, no character development, no relationship building, no real surprises anymore, and even the "new" worlds look and feel surprisingly similar to the supposedly different worlds from the games going back to the N64 (again).
No offense but pretty much everything you wrote here is untrue.
The reviews themselves tend to be decent. But I will agree that the scoring system in place is just to inconsistant to take seriously.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?peterw007
Yes, yes it does.
Skyward Sword = 8th console, core Zelda title in 25 years. Major points deducted for feeling "outdated and rehashed." Scored a 7.5.
Modern Warfare 3 = 8th console, core Call of Duty title in 8 years. No points deducted for rehashing. Scored an 8.5.
Just let that sink in for a moment.
Zelda must really rehash a lot then...they should try and think outside of the box a little more like COD.A review is nothing more than a person's opinion. That being said, I don't take GS reviews too seriously after the Kane&Lynch/Gertsmann incident. I strongly prefer gametrailers.com, 1up, and giantbomb. Gamespot has got really entertaining forums, though.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?peterw007
Yes, yes it does.
Skyward Sword = 8th console, core Zelda title in 25 years. Major points deducted for feeling "outdated and rehashed." Scored a 7.5.
Modern Warfare 3 = 8th console, core Call of Duty title in 8 years. No points deducted for rehashing. Scored an 8.5.
Just let that sink in for a moment.
This is what gets me everytime. The criteria for reviews differs so much from reviewer to reviewer that I fear Gamespot might not be a reliable review source anymore: usually, you look for a reviewer that uses criteria for judging a game similar to yours, so that you can decide properly whether to get a game or not, yet here they give scores ranging from 8.5 - 9.5 to games like Call of Duty. I can assure you that ANY Zelda game is much more different one from the other than the yearly Call of Duty rehashes that consistently score amazing scores here.
Well, the series HAS been in steady decline since it hit its peak with A Link to the Past...[QUOTE="chocolate1325"]
Because Gamespot hates Zelda its official.
ianuilliam
1000% agree.
Well, the series HAS been in steady decline since it hit its peak with A Link to the Past...[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]
[QUOTE="chocolate1325"]
Because Gamespot hates Zelda its official.
Pray_to_me
1000% agree.
Yes, and that's why Ocarina was the highest-scoring title in the franchise :P
[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?nameless12345
Well, you could say it was a motivation to make the thread but I also like to question things like that :)
I mean, 7.5 for SS and a 10 for Tony Hawk 3 on the PS2? Really GS? :P
Tony Hawk 3 came out 10 years ago. And it was a pretty damn good game by back then's standards, too.[QUOTE="nameless12345"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?Timstuff
Well, you could say it was a motivation to make the thread but I also like to question things like that :)
I mean, 7.5 for SS and a 10 for Tony Hawk 3 on the PS2? Really GS? :P
Tony Hawk 3 came out 10 years ago. And it was a pretty damn good game by back then's standards, too.It has a 7.5 metacritic user score and was the worst console version FYI.
Did you bother to read the review? it didn't get 7.5 because of that, he said some of the controls were really inconsistent and broken. IF controls were fine for him the score would have been a 8.5 at least.MW3 which everyone complained was the same as MW2, and it refered to as MW2.5 gets an 8.5.
Zelda, just because it has a slight familiar feel = 7.5
Yes this scoring system is messed up.
gotdangit
[QUOTE="dovberg"]
Games being familiar IMO is NOT a good reason to lower the score because almost every game out there fits into one genre or another that...feals familiar. I think what they need to express(especially with CoD) is "This game is boring". I think people need to start to admit that when a game has another title that is virtually identical every year that the game really isn't bad but within the context of playing ALL the titles before it that the game IS boring.
The parts I liked in Uncharted 3 are the parts that were familiar, the part I didn't was what was NOT familiar(the melee system).
nameless12345
Then why does Zelda gets points lost for "feeling too familiar" while games like Modern Warfare 3 do not although they really are carbon copys of their predecessors? Does not compute.
Modern Warfare 3 feels like a rehash of a game from 2007. The complaint about Skyward Sword is that it feels like a rehash of a game from 1997, 10 years earlier. That extra 10 years = 1 point, I suppose? :PSeriously though, some people may think GS's score are harsh, but they cut away the hype and get right down to the core: how does the game stack up? No matter what the reason, when a Zelda game gets less than a 9.0 Nintendo fans are going to get angry at the reviewer, because their love of the franchise is already factored into their opinion of the game before they even have a chance to play it. I have not played SS yet, but the complaints in the review sounded legitimate. I've long said that Nintendo needs to update the Zelda formula in a big way, because it's been 14 years since Ocarina of Time and we are still on pretty much the same formula. Go to dungeon, find generic keys, get treasure, use treasure to finish dungeon, get trinket representing progress, repeat. We still haven't even gotten away from the archaic Z-targeting system!
The games keep getting easier with each installment too, which makes me question why Nintendo put such a big emphasis on all the new combat techniques and equipment upgrades. And if those new techniques don't work the way they are supposed to, then that's a serious issue. If the game is already easy, then the prospect of having new ways to tackle it isn't really that exciting. The last Zelda game that truly gave me a challenge was Wind Waker, and even that game was a bit of a downgrade from Majora's Mask in terms of challenge. These are valid concerns, and personally I admire Gamespot for actually taking them into account with their final score instead of just saying "We're going to give the game a 9, even though it has some pretty big problems."
[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] Uncharted 3's mechanics are 4 years old. Skyward Sword's mechanics are 25 YEARS old. 4 != 25call_of_duty_10
Skyward's Sword's mechanics are 25 years old? I think therewas motion controls on the NES. And this game does change the formula as compared to other Zelda games as stated in earlier reviews of the game. I don't see how this game is a bad rehash while Uncharted 3 does little new and still receives praise. Not that Uncharted's formula is bad, Uncharted 3 is probably an awesome game.
But what I'm saying here is that I don't what so egregious about this game that made McShea give it the lowest score on MetaCritic and his criticisms are inconsistent with the other 99% of reviews who praise this game's controls.
" I think therewas motion controls on the NES." I assume you meant to say,"I do not think there were motion controls on the nes"(Apologies if that is not true) If control scheme means game mechanics,then I guess Skyrim on consoles has different game mechanics than skyrim on PC. "I don't see how this game is a bad rehash while Uncharted 3 does little new and still receives praise." As I stated in my other post,milking is not related to game mechanics. Tom deducted the score not because the game doesn't do anything new,but because it feels ancient. Let me clarify with an example. Daggerfall and Skyrim have the same gameplay.However,if daggerfall were to be reviewed today it would get a low rating.And that's not because of graphics alone.That first part was a typo. :P
My problem with the review was McShea's inconsistency with other games, and not just Uncharted 3. He awarded Super Mario Galaxy 2 with a 10 and that game definitley was nothing new.
I hope GameSpot is wrong about this game and the other reviewers are right because I've thought for a long time now that is game is gonna be something special.
[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]
[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Well, the series HAS been in steady decline since it hit its peak with A Link to the Past...
nameless12345
1000% agree.
Yes, and that's why Ocarina was the highest-scoring title in the franchise :P
Really? What's ALttP's MC score?[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="dovberg"]
Games being familiar IMO is NOT a good reason to lower the score because almost every game out there fits into one genre or another that...feals familiar. I think what they need to express(especially with CoD) is "This game is boring". I think people need to start to admit that when a game has another title that is virtually identical every year that the game really isn't bad but within the context of playing ALL the titles before it that the game IS boring.
The parts I liked in Uncharted 3 are the parts that were familiar, the part I didn't was what was NOT familiar(the melee system).
Timstuff
Then why does Zelda gets points lost for "feeling too familiar" while games like Modern Warfare 3 do not although they really are carbon copys of their predecessors? Does not compute.
Modern Warfare 3 feels like a rehash of a game from 2007. The complaint about Skyward Sword is that it feels like a rehash of a game from 1997, 10 years earlier.Except that it isn't. MW3 really is CoD 1 from 2003 in better graphics and different settings while SS brings much new stuff.
Maybe sounds a little biased but by this logic Halo Reach should absolutely be butchered for being an enhanced version of the first Halo.
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]
1000% agree.
ianuilliam
Yes, and that's why Ocarina was the highest-scoring title in the franchise :P
Really? What's ALttP's MC score?the GBA RE-RELEASE is at 95
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