The (in)consistency of GameSpot scoring system

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#101 BibiMaghoo
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Have to kind of agree with TC. It bothers me that games like Assassins creed are mared down for being to similar, yet COD changes less every year and gets 9's. (last one excepted, granted) In an ideal world, severel people would play the game, discuss, and provide a combined review. This way I think we would see more consistent pros and cons for games.
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#102 aaronmullan
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This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?charizard1605
Pretty much.
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#103 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

3 Uncharteds on a 5 year old PS3. 2 Zeldas on a 5 year old Wii. So 3 in one gen is the magic number when something goes from "only 2 games" to "yearly releases?"

ZIMdoom

In those 2 Zelda games...we've seen the same characters that have been used since N64, the story pretty much doesn't exist and hasn't really changed since the very first zelda game from NES. The same gameplay since NES, there has been no story progression, no character development, no relationship building, no real surprises anymore, and even the "new" worlds look and feel surprisingly similar to the supposedly different worlds from the games going back to the N64 (again).

No offense but pretty much everything you wrote here is untrue.

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#104 slimjimbadboy
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The reviews themselves tend to be decent. But I will agree that the scoring system in place is just to inconsistant to take seriously.

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#105 BadNewsBen
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The problem with getting too into what one review says is that you're taking the results of one person's opinion. Gamespot is my favorite place to go for reviews, as I think they are thorough, and often very fair. But lets look at it like this. Majora's Mask is my favorite Zelda game of all time. My brother hate Majora's Mask, and says that it doesn't even compare to other Zelda games for him. I'd give it a 9.5, he'd give it a 7. The same exact thing is bound to happen with Gamespot. Everyone in the world could have loved Halo 4 (just an example), but whoever is doing the review could have had some personal issues with the game that made it an 8. Thats not Gamespots fault, thats the readers fault for putting too much stock into what someone's opinion means.
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#106 sirk1264
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Honestly I understand the anger from zelda fans, however, the scores that games have been getting don't surprise me anymore. We have to remember that it's the reviewers opinion on the game that determines the score. Others may think differently. I don't play scores as i'll soon be getting infamous 2 finally and that got a 7.5 here. I play games. There have been some gems that have gotten 7's before. A number is a number and that's it. It's just there to give the average gamer an idea of what the game is like.
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#107 Heil68
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?peterw007

Yes, yes it does.

Skyward Sword = 8th console, core Zelda title in 25 years. Major points deducted for feeling "outdated and rehashed." Scored a 7.5.

Modern Warfare 3 = 8th console, core Call of Duty title in 8 years. No points deducted for rehashing. Scored an 8.5.

Just let that sink in for a moment.

Zelda must really rehash a lot then...they should try and think outside of the box a little more like COD.
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#108 webhead921
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A review is nothing more than a person's opinion. That being said, I don't take GS reviews too seriously after the Kane&Lynch/Gertsmann incident. I strongly prefer gametrailers.com, 1up, and giantbomb. Gamespot has got really entertaining forums, though.

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#109 iHarlequin
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?peterw007

Yes, yes it does.

Skyward Sword = 8th console, core Zelda title in 25 years. Major points deducted for feeling "outdated and rehashed." Scored a 7.5.

Modern Warfare 3 = 8th console, core Call of Duty title in 8 years. No points deducted for rehashing. Scored an 8.5.

Just let that sink in for a moment.

This is what gets me everytime. The criteria for reviews differs so much from reviewer to reviewer that I fear Gamespot might not be a reliable review source anymore: usually, you look for a reviewer that uses criteria for judging a game similar to yours, so that you can decide properly whether to get a game or not, yet here they give scores ranging from 8.5 - 9.5 to games like Call of Duty. I can assure you that ANY Zelda game is much more different one from the other than the yearly Call of Duty rehashes that consistently score amazing scores here.

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#110 Pray_to_me
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[QUOTE="chocolate1325"]

Because Gamespot hates Zelda its official.

ianuilliam

Well, the series HAS been in steady decline since it hit its peak with A Link to the Past...

1000% agree.

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#111 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="chocolate1325"]

Because Gamespot hates Zelda its official.

Pray_to_me

Well, the series HAS been in steady decline since it hit its peak with A Link to the Past...

1000% agree.

Yes, and that's why Ocarina was the highest-scoring title in the franchise :P

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#112 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?nameless12345

Well, you could say it was a motivation to make the thread but I also like to question things like that :)

I mean, 7.5 for SS and a 10 for Tony Hawk 3 on the PS2? Really GS? :P

Tony Hawk 3 came out 10 years ago. And it was a pretty damn good game by back then's standards, too.
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#113 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This has to do with Zelda, doesn't it?Timstuff

Well, you could say it was a motivation to make the thread but I also like to question things like that :)

I mean, 7.5 for SS and a 10 for Tony Hawk 3 on the PS2? Really GS? :P

Tony Hawk 3 came out 10 years ago. And it was a pretty damn good game by back then's standards, too.

It has a 7.5 metacritic user score and was the worst console version FYI.

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#114 The_Djoker
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MW3 which everyone complained was the same as MW2, and it refered to as MW2.5 gets an 8.5.

Zelda, just because it has a slight familiar feel = 7.5

Yes this scoring system is messed up.

gotdangit
Did you bother to read the review? it didn't get 7.5 because of that, he said some of the controls were really inconsistent and broken. IF controls were fine for him the score would have been a 8.5 at least.
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#115 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="dovberg"]

Games being familiar IMO is NOT a good reason to lower the score because almost every game out there fits into one genre or another that...feals familiar. I think what they need to express(especially with CoD) is "This game is boring". I think people need to start to admit that when a game has another title that is virtually identical every year that the game really isn't bad but within the context of playing ALL the titles before it that the game IS boring.

The parts I liked in Uncharted 3 are the parts that were familiar, the part I didn't was what was NOT familiar(the melee system).

nameless12345

Then why does Zelda gets points lost for "feeling too familiar" while games like Modern Warfare 3 do not although they really are carbon copys of their predecessors? Does not compute.

Modern Warfare 3 feels like a rehash of a game from 2007. The complaint about Skyward Sword is that it feels like a rehash of a game from 1997, 10 years earlier. That extra 10 years = 1 point, I suppose? :P

Seriously though, some people may think GS's score are harsh, but they cut away the hype and get right down to the core: how does the game stack up? No matter what the reason, when a Zelda game gets less than a 9.0 Nintendo fans are going to get angry at the reviewer, because their love of the franchise is already factored into their opinion of the game before they even have a chance to play it. I have not played SS yet, but the complaints in the review sounded legitimate. I've long said that Nintendo needs to update the Zelda formula in a big way, because it's been 14 years since Ocarina of Time and we are still on pretty much the same formula. Go to dungeon, find generic keys, get treasure, use treasure to finish dungeon, get trinket representing progress, repeat. We still haven't even gotten away from the archaic Z-targeting system!

The games keep getting easier with each installment too, which makes me question why Nintendo put such a big emphasis on all the new combat techniques and equipment upgrades. And if those new techniques don't work the way they are supposed to, then that's a serious issue. If the game is already easy, then the prospect of having new ways to tackle it isn't really that exciting. The last Zelda game that truly gave me a challenge was Wind Waker, and even that game was a bit of a downgrade from Majora's Mask in terms of challenge. These are valid concerns, and personally I admire Gamespot for actually taking them into account with their final score instead of just saying "We're going to give the game a 9, even though it has some pretty big problems."

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#116 Demonjoe93
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[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] Uncharted 3's mechanics are 4 years old. Skyward Sword's mechanics are 25 YEARS old. 4 != 25call_of_duty_10

Skyward's Sword's mechanics are 25 years old? I think therewas motion controls on the NES. And this game does change the formula as compared to other Zelda games as stated in earlier reviews of the game. I don't see how this game is a bad rehash while Uncharted 3 does little new and still receives praise. Not that Uncharted's formula is bad, Uncharted 3 is probably an awesome game.

But what I'm saying here is that I don't what so egregious about this game that made McShea give it the lowest score on MetaCritic and his criticisms are inconsistent with the other 99% of reviews who praise this game's controls.

" I think therewas motion controls on the NES." I assume you meant to say,"I do not think there were motion controls on the nes"(Apologies if that is not true) If control scheme means game mechanics,then I guess Skyrim on consoles has different game mechanics than skyrim on PC. "I don't see how this game is a bad rehash while Uncharted 3 does little new and still receives praise." As I stated in my other post,milking is not related to game mechanics. Tom deducted the score not because the game doesn't do anything new,but because it feels ancient. Let me clarify with an example. Daggerfall and Skyrim have the same gameplay.However,if daggerfall were to be reviewed today it would get a low rating.And that's not because of graphics alone.

That first part was a typo. :P

My problem with the review was McShea's inconsistency with other games, and not just Uncharted 3. He awarded Super Mario Galaxy 2 with a 10 and that game definitley was nothing new.

I hope GameSpot is wrong about this game and the other reviewers are right because I've thought for a long time now that is game is gonna be something special.

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#117 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Well, the series HAS been in steady decline since it hit its peak with A Link to the Past...

nameless12345

1000% agree.

Yes, and that's why Ocarina was the highest-scoring title in the franchise :P

Really? What's ALttP's MC score?

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#118 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="dovberg"]

Games being familiar IMO is NOT a good reason to lower the score because almost every game out there fits into one genre or another that...feals familiar. I think what they need to express(especially with CoD) is "This game is boring". I think people need to start to admit that when a game has another title that is virtually identical every year that the game really isn't bad but within the context of playing ALL the titles before it that the game IS boring.

The parts I liked in Uncharted 3 are the parts that were familiar, the part I didn't was what was NOT familiar(the melee system).

Timstuff

Then why does Zelda gets points lost for "feeling too familiar" while games like Modern Warfare 3 do not although they really are carbon copys of their predecessors? Does not compute.

Modern Warfare 3 feels like a rehash of a game from 2007. The complaint about Skyward Sword is that it feels like a rehash of a game from 1997, 10 years earlier.

Except that it isn't. MW3 really is CoD 1 from 2003 in better graphics and different settings while SS brings much new stuff.

Maybe sounds a little biased but by this logic Halo Reach should absolutely be butchered for being an enhanced version of the first Halo.

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#119 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

1000% agree.

ianuilliam

Yes, and that's why Ocarina was the highest-scoring title in the franchise :P

Really? What's ALttP's MC score?

the GBA RE-RELEASE is at 95

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#120 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Well, the series HAS been in steady decline since it hit its peak with A Link to the Past...

nameless12345

1000% agree.

Yes, and that's why Ocarina was the highest-scoring title in the franchise :P

didn't know the SNES version was rated by MC