The issue with killzone is.....

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

soapandbubbles

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

soapandbubbles

I think killzone 3 will change your mind. ;)

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

theuncharted34

I think killzone 3 will change your mind. ;)

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[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

soapandbubbles

I think killzone 3 will change your mind. ;)

How many people play shooters for story?

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I think killzone 3 will change your mind. ;)

davidkamayor

How many people play shooters for story?

The reason why it wasn't considered big by many gamers was because of the controls. They solved that problem and now everyone will love it.Keiji993

Prepare to be disappointed.

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

soapandbubbles

You could say the exact same thing about CoD and many other shooters...

Character development isn't KZ's problem. It's the lack of color that irks me.

Character development isn't KZ's problem. It's the lack of color that irks me.

Silverbond

I think I would have liked Killzone 2 if the controls were not full of latency issues. I always though they was some major input lag on them. The controls them self were fine, but it was the lag that bothered me. I heard its being fixed for KZ3. And from the game play I have seen it looks amazing.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Character development isn't KZ's problem. It's the lack of color that irks me.

soapandbubbles

Because fighting on alien planets and being able to continuously fire bullets is realistic.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Character development isn't KZ's problem. It's the lack of color that irks me.

soapandbubbles

Because getting shot thousands of times and never dying is realistic, amirite?

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Character development isn't KZ's problem. It's the lack of color that irks me.

turtlethetaffer

Because fighting on alien planets and being able to continuously fire bullets is realistic.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Character development isn't KZ's problem. It's the lack of color that irks me.

Silverbond

Because getting shot thousands of times and never dying is realistic, amirite?

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] it's a wartorn shooter on another planet. since when is war zones in color? it's a dark moody and stormy atmosphere..most of the time..do you want pink? realism is what Killzone is after. soapandbubbles

Because fighting on alien planets and being able to continuously fire bullets is realistic.

Yeah, I know just joking around. But I'm not so sure about aliens being real.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Because fighting on alien planets and being able to continuously fire bullets is realistic.

turtlethetaffer

Yeah, I know just joking around. But I'm not so sure about aliens being real.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Character development isn't KZ's problem. It's the lack of color that irks me.

Silverbond

Because getting shot thousands of times and never dying is realistic, amirite?

Argument is null. How many shooter have poor character development? Practically all the ones I can think of - COD, Battlefield, Halo - they all have terrible character development and they still do well.

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

TC is right an RPG needs charac...oh wait a minute here what game we talking about? lool :D

Argument is null. How many shooter have poor character development? Practically all the ones I can think of - COD, Battlefield, Halo - they all have terrible character development and they still do well.

Vari3ty

Umm who cares? gameplay rules.johny300

Killzones gameplay has always been go through 14 million corridors, kill, take cover (1st person cover is really not that great), kill more , complete objective , move on. How does the gameplay 'rule' if its so generic? New snow and particle effects with spider-like jetpacks won't transform gameplay.

Its the controls. Poor aiming mechanics. Why is hip firing so accurate? Online lag--specifically death lag. Weird field of view. Class design flaws. Every class/skill needs to have a valuable purpose.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Argument is null. How many shooter have poor character development? Practically all the ones I can think of - COD, Battlefield, Halo - they all have terrible character development and they still do well.

soapandbubbles

Actually, I think that the CoD games do a bad job of making you care about characters. The squad all getting killed at the end of MW was really underwhelming. And in Black Ops, they moved around too much foryou to really care.

I agree witht he TC. Killzone 2 felt like a testosterone filled B grade sci-fi movie with horrible dialog and annoying characters. It looked good, though.

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

soapandbubbles

That is definitely not why it isn't considered big (if that is even true, based on SW, a lot of people seem to love it). Why? Well, name me a few recent shooters with decent character development. There's a few games like Cryostasis and BioShock that have great and decent stories/characters respectively, and we have Half-Life 2 which has some great characters, as well as Metro 2033. But for the rest? The characters in CoD are disposable and it's very popular, the characters in Crysis are walking clichés, and FEAR didn't have very memorable characters either. What makes a shooter great is gameplay, which in the case of this genre mostly consists of gunplay, AI, environments, level design and setting. Story in FPS is mostly irrelevant.

Attachment to characters isn't what the majority of the FPS fans look for, and even if some of them do, the lack of decent story/storytelling/characters in an FPS is easily forgiven by the majority of them. Otherwise Crysis wouldn't have been an iconic game for the genre, and CoD wouldn't be popular (even though some people seem to mistake its B-movie pulp for a good story). Hell, in Arma 2 I mostly play as an anonymous Russian soldier and I feel more immersed by its world than in 95% of the other shooters.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I think killzone 3 will change your mind. ;)

How many people play shooters for story?

I could honestly say the same thing about CoD's characters and Gears of War's characters...

Yes the story and the characters in Killzone are subpar compared to something like Halo but it makes up for its shortcomings with its gameplay and presentation. First and foremost games should be fun to play. Mario has never had a compelling storyline but all is forgiven because of the game's great gameplay.

people tend to forget sometimes we play 1 character in a fictional universe/story.. in case of KZ's universe its not about Sev or his team at ISA, the issue is the backstory that resulted in the conflict between helghast & ISA troops... the issue is political, its not a one man Batte (ie Sev vs planet Helghan)... honestly i dont really care about singular characters unless they effect or effected the story... Sev is a soldier following orders like his squad mates..

what do you want a KZ game focusing on Sev's personality, family issues, love-life etc etc or know what brought this conflict??? I just want KZ3's sp campaign to show more about why this war exists, who is to blame for all the deaths, which are the key elements to solve this matter etc etc..

I think thats the isue in geniral for all FPS.

Ok, whoever says that KZ2 has crappy characters is right. Sev was pretty generic, I didn't really think Garza was too special even when he died (oops!I didn't care about him enough to spoiler it), Natko wasn't interesting, and Rico....oh Rico was just a pain in the ass. But there is one character that I think we can all agree was extremely good amist a bad cast. Visari was the only good character in KZ2. Brian Cox did an amazing job playing the Hitler-esque Supreme Leader of the Helghan. His inspirational rallying speeches were one of my highlights of the game. He wasn't just a good character, he was an exceptional character.

Lots of big shooters are like that. Reach and Gears 2 for example. KZ3 will be the same I'm sure....... can't say it matters too much to me since main draw is multiplayer

I agree witht he TC. Killzone 2 felt like a testosterone filled B grade sci-fi movie with horrible dialog and annoying characters. It looked good, though.

caseystryker

Like 90% of FPSs this gen right?

What, the story? I can't think of any fps except the Bioshocks that features a story that is even remotely good.

What, the story? I can't think of any fps except the Bioshocks that features a story that is even remotely good.

Filthybastrd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xTdwp6e318

If it didn't make you somewhat sad, you have no taste

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

soapandbubbles

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

soapandbubbles

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

Shielder7

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

ImprovedMind

Well spoken :P. On a serious note, I would only pick up Killzone 3 for its single player, MP can go back to the generic corridor dump.

[QUOTE="davidkamayor"]

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] Hope so, but it's the same characters...from the reviews/previews i've read...the story still lacks. soapandbubbles

How many people play shooters for story?

That's why he specified shooters, not games. There are many games with very good stories, a few with great stories. None of those games are FPS's.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]

The horrid character development...characters that NO ONE really gives 2 ****s about, there is NO attachtment to getting to know them or enjoy using them by the majority...and THIS imo is why killzone isn't considered BIG by many gamers..when compared to other shooters. Of course it relies on graphical immersion and realism..it's really a shame since Killzone delivers in all other aspect but that one.

Thoughts?

Shielder7

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

What, the story? I can't think of any fps except the Bioshocks that features a story that is even remotely good.

Ironbash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xTdwp6e318

If it didn't make you somewhat sad, you have no taste

I have no taste :cry:.