The Last Of Us nearly completely rips off "The Road"

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#51 texasgoldrush
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So despite it being a complete ripoff, you still have to list the differences? What now?

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Because the core elements are the same...the theme of the bond and the theme the characters portray.
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#52 madsnakehhh
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Yeah i know and i'm pretty excited for Last of Us :)

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And it starts. Sony steals another E3 with it's exclusives, and the jelly runs wild.
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#55 hensothor
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So basically it's standard deviation on a classic story, that you are fanboy raging into calling a rip-off? I'd say you are more unoriginal than the game is.
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#56 texasgoldrush
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So basically it's standard deviation on a classic story, that you are fanboy raging into calling a rip-off? I'd say you are more unoriginal than the game is. hensothor
more than just a deviation......from the previews it looks like the same core.
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#57 clone01
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously. This game is far from original. If anyone has read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" or seen the movie version, you will know that this game is a complete ripoff. Just replace man and boy with man and girl (hell, the themes the characters present are pretty much the same, as with the child being born after the apocolypse), turn the environment from grey to green, replace cannibals with infected, and barring ending you got "The Road". And really, it will never approach the greatness of "The Road".

so? why the f*ck does it matter, mass effect fanboy?
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i've seen the film and am currently reading through the novel again, you are completely wrong. the road portrays its narrative through despondency and the most bare bonesdialogue i've ever read, there isn't even quotations to go along with the dialogue in the novel, serving to detach the reader from the characters and embed them in unity with the world around them. In ND's game, the characters are their own entities with presumably distinct attitudes and emotions.

The road had maybe one or two legitimate action scenes and took a whole different approach to the end-world aesthetic. The Last of Us seems to focus more on the action and character interaction.

The Road refer ed to the two protagonists as The Man and The Boy, that is how minimal the novel's approach to enhancing and developing its characters. The Road is a beautiful novel, but certainly not for everyone, a "presumed" video game adaption in the form of ND's new game, as you suggest, is completely ludicrous.

Stop looking for ways of bashing this game, or at least don't try to bring a venerable novel to this fanboy nonsense.

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Wrong If you think that the man and the boy aren't their own entities you are completely wrong. Yes, the format of the novel and how it was wirtten is unique, but the characters are still there. And the game doesn't have to use the same naming convention...the same relationship is there. While they are not related, the parent-chiold bond and what the characters represent is still there. Face facts here, they took a bunch of elements from The Road. Its undeniable.

You can't say wrong to my opinions on the direction of a novel, but I can say wrong to your completely uneducated, misguided and very poorly developed correlation between two pieces of fiction in two completely different mediums. Sorry, nice try.

I still stand by the reason for McCarthy's omission of traditional dialogue diction is to allow the characters themselves to be UNITED as one with the environement and setting for storytelling purposes, this was done to wondrous effect. I could also argue to your "proposed" relationship between the father and son, but alas, I am not here to teach you how to read fiction.

regardless, your claims are complete nonsense.

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#60 Slow_Show
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An unoriginal story in a game? Say it ain't so!

Also, I must have missed the chapter in The Road where they fought off the popcorn heads.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously. This game is far from original. If anyone has read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" or seen the movie version, you will know that this game is a complete ripoff. Just replace man and boy with man and girl (hell, the themes the characters present are pretty much the same, as with the child being born after the apocolypse), turn the environment from grey to green, replace cannibals with infected, and barring ending you got "The Road". And really, it will never approach the greatness of "The Road".

So change everything and it is exactly the same!
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#62 Inotian
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Oh , a troll topic. Nice.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

i've seen the film and am currently reading through the novel again, you are completely wrong. the road portrays its narrative through despondency and the most bare bonesdialogue i've ever read, there isn't even quotations to go along with the dialogue in the novel, serving to detach the reader from the characters and embed them in unity with the world around them. In ND's game, the characters are their own entities with presumably distinct attitudes and emotions.

The road had maybe one or two legitimate action scenes and took a whole different approach to the end-world aesthetic. The Last of Us seems to focus more on the action and character interaction.

The Road refer ed to the two protagonists as The Man and The Boy, that is how minimal the novel's approach to enhancing and developing its characters. The Road is a beautiful novel, but certainly not for everyone, a "presumed" video game adaption in the form of ND's new game, as you suggest, is completely ludicrous.

Stop looking for ways of bashing this game, or at least don't try to bring a venerable novel to this fanboy nonsense.

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Wrong If you think that the man and the boy aren't their own entities you are completely wrong. Yes, the format of the novel and how it was wirtten is unique, but the characters are still there. And the game doesn't have to use the same naming convention...the same relationship is there. While they are not related, the parent-chiold bond and what the characters represent is still there. Face facts here, they took a bunch of elements from The Road. Its undeniable.

You can't say wrong to my opinions on the direction of a novel, but I can say wrong to your completely uneducated, misguided and very poorly developed correlation between two pieces of fiction in two completely different mediums. Sorry, nice try. I still stand by the reason for McCarthy's omission of traditional dialogue diction is to allow the characters themselves to be UNITED as one with the environement and setting for storytelling purposes, this was done to wondrous effect. But regardless, your claims are complete nonsense.

And yet you are wrong...the book and espeically the movie clearly define the themes of the characters, especially the boy. This cannot be denied. Nevermind that cues can also be taken from the movie, which there IS dialogue. The part where they confront the one who stole from them clearly shows the themes of the characters. Nevermind the fact than in my OP, I also reference the movie version.
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Oh , a troll topic. Nice.

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If TGR is a troll he puts far too much effort into it. The amount of multiple paragraph posts he makes in a typical topic when juxtaposed with the number of one liners in response to which he responds with multiple paragraphs would have him pegged as a very inefficient troll indeed.
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What's next, is Sony going to ripoff a classic like Indiana Jones.. ... oh wait.. :lol:
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#66 biggest_loser
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The aesthetics and visuals are completely different. The Road was bleak compared to how much colour is in this game.
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Does anyone know how scripted this game is?!
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Does anyone know how scripted this game is?!
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#70 texasgoldrush
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The aesthetics and visuals are completely different. The Road was bleak compared to how much colour is in this game. biggest_loser
However the fate of mankind is the same if "The Last Of Us" title has anything to do with it.
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#71 Inotian
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[QUOTE="Inotian"]

Oh , a troll topic. Nice.

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If TGR is a troll he puts far too much effort into it. The amount of multiple paragraph posts he makes in a typical topic when juxtaposed with the number of one liners in response to which he responds with multiple paragraphs would have him pegged as a very inefficient troll indeed.

That's what we need, a troll that doesn't back down. Glad to see TGR putting some effort into his threads, even if he does goes off the handle some times.

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The Road is not even game. Nice damage control.... :lol:

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it hasn't been 24 hours and people are already **** about something do you want cheese with your whine?

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#74 texasgoldrush
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The Road is not even game. Nice damage control.... :lol:

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still why should games ripoff movies and books? Ultima didn't. Grim Fandango didn't. Chrono Trigger didn't. Planescape Torment didn't. Nevermind the difference between ciopying elements of other works and copying the core narrative and its themes.
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#75 Peredith
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Who cares, it looks ****ing incredible.

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[QUOTE="Gue1"]

The Road is not even game. Nice damage control.... :lol:

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still why should games ripoff movies and books? Ultima didn't. Grim Fandango didn't. Chrono Trigger didn't. Planescape Torment didn't. Nevermind the difference between ciopying elements of other works and copying the core narrative and its themes.

the story is not the same, the characters aren't the same, there weren't any Zombies on The Road let alone any kind of interactivity. They both share an apocalyptic setting and that's all you have in favor of your argument because they aren't even in the same type of media.

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#77 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Gue1"]

The Road is not even game. Nice damage control.... :lol:

Gue1

still why should games ripoff movies and books? Ultima didn't. Grim Fandango didn't. Chrono Trigger didn't. Planescape Torment didn't. Nevermind the difference between ciopying elements of other works and copying the core narrative and its themes.

the story is not the same, the characters aren't the same, there weren't any Zombies on The Road let alone any kind of interactivity. They both share an apocalyptic setting and that's all you have in favor of your argument because they aren't even in the same type of media.

wrong.....it easily looks like the bonds between the characters and the themes of the characters and what they represent ARE the same. There is far more in my favor than you think.
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#78 Inotian
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Gue1"]

The Road is not even game. Nice damage control.... :lol:

Gue1

still why should games ripoff movies and books? Ultima didn't. Grim Fandango didn't. Chrono Trigger didn't. Planescape Torment didn't. Nevermind the difference between ciopying elements of other works and copying the core narrative and its themes.

the story is not the same, the characters aren't the same, there weren't any Zombies on The Road let alone any kind of interactivity. They both share an apocalyptic setting and that's all you have in favor of your argument because they aren't even in the same type of media.

This x 100.

Besides , if no-one cared that Uncharted "rip-offed" Indiana Jones, or how Mass Effect is basically Star Wars in a new skin, do you really think people would care about TLOU being a 'Rip off' of The Road ?

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously. This game is far from original. If anyone has read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" or seen the movie version, you will know that this game is a complete ripoff. Just replace man and boy with man and girl (hell, the themes the characters present are pretty much the same, as with the child being born after the apocolypse), turn the environment from grey to green, replace cannibals with infected, and barring ending you got "The Road". And really, it will never approach the greatness of "The Road".clone01
so? why the f*ck does it matter, mass effect fanboy?

Lol, this.

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i hope not. that movie suckedonebeelo
Movie was awesome stfu
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the last of us, after all, is uncharted with zombies. what's worse is that not only the protagonist is a pathological psycho, he seems to get high on killing people, like the end of the demo where he had a gun pointed at the last guy and could've just told him to run off, but instead he went and wasted a bullet on him. hell, the entire fight could've been avoided, but you started it. this isn't a survival game. in a survival game you'd have avoided the group, and if that was not possible, you'd try your best to avoid a fight, because you're worried about surviving and saving resources, not about taking down the bad guys.
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"It's almost identical to this other work of fiction except for all these differences you should ignore so I can make a stupid point"Ace6301

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i hope not. that movie suckedonebeelo
Movie was awesome stfu
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously. This game is far from original. If anyone has read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" or seen the movie version, you will know that this game is a complete ripoff. Just replace man and boy with man and girl (hell, the themes the characters present are pretty much the same, as with the child being born after the apocolypse), turn the environment from grey to green, replace cannibals with infected, and barring ending you got "The Road". And really, it will never approach the greatness of "The Road".

so? why the f*ck does it matter, mass effect fanboy?

at least while Mass Effect borrows heavily from others for its "parts", its soul, the "sum" of these "parts" is its own.
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#85 gago-gago
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Well Sony do make movies and like most of their games, they're like interactive movies. I mean hiring known actors to play a video game character is one thing but when they make Ellen Page have a starring role in a game, you realize they're really making it more of a movie than game. I guess some people like that experience.
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously. This game is far from original. If anyone has read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" or seen the movie version, you will know that this game is a complete ripoff. Just replace man and boy with man and girl (hell, the themes the characters present are pretty much the same, as with the child being born after the apocolypse), turn the environment from grey to green, replace cannibals with infected, and barring ending you got "The Road". And really, it will never approach the greatness of "The Road".texasgoldrush
so? why the f*ck does it matter, mass effect fanboy?

at least while Mass Effect borrows heavily from others, its soul is its own.

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Ive read The Road a long time ago so my memory is fuzzy, but i don't recall there being the whole controlled dystopian society thing going on that the girl grows up in and the guy smuggles stuff in. Also, The Road isn't exactly an original work itself. It didn't create the idea of zombies or survival.
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Ive read The Road a long time ago so my memory is fuzzy, but i don't recall there being the whole controlled dystopian society thing going on that the girl grows up in and the guy smuggles stuff in. Also, The Road isn't exactly an original work itself. It didn't create the idea of zombies or survival.

No...The Road was actually pretty original, the only inspiration for that novel was the author's son.
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So it's the same, yet you have to replace about five aspects of the game with other things. That makes complete sense.

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#90 texasgoldrush
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and what did I just say?......I said that while the PARTS of Mass Effect are borrowed (hence Tali's picture from a Muslim Miss England, and the Winter of Mars), the SUM of its parts....the main themes, are its own. Learn to read. And what space opera or major spaced based sci fi deals with mortality the way Mass Effect does? None to that extent really.
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#91 shinrabanshou
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Learn to read.texasgoldrush
I read your nonsense, Mass Effect fanboy.

You're willing to overlook all the "borrowings" and sometimes ridiculous laziness of the series you like.

While condemning a game little is known about, because it bears similarities to past media.

Of course, this is par for the course, considering what I've read of your posts and threads in the past.

Bottom line: no one gives a sh*t, and everything is derivative. Lol, if you think that any of the "themes" in the Mass Effect series originated in 2007.

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So it's the same, yet you have to replace about five aspects of the game with other things. That makes complete sense.

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Because the core themes are the same, the game is based mostly (confirmed in previews) on the relationship between the protagonists. Just like the Road, both book and movie.
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Ive read The Road a long time ago so my memory is fuzzy, but i don't recall there being the whole controlled dystopian society thing going on that the girl grows up in and the guy smuggles stuff in. Also, The Road isn't exactly an original work itself. It didn't create the idea of zombies or survival.texasgoldrush
No...The Road was actually pretty original, the only inspiration for that novel was the author's son.

Sooooo.... you are saying that the author actually created the concepts of survival? He had never heard of cannibals before or watched a post apocalyptic movie? He completely invented the idea of bunkers?

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#94 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Learn to read.shinrabanshou

I read your nonsense, Mass Effect fanboy.

You're willing to overlook all the "borrowings" and sometimes ridiculous laziness of the series you like.

While condemning a game little is known about, because it bears similarities to past media.

Of course, this is par for the course, considering what I've read of your posts and threads in the past.

Bottom line: no one gives a sh*t, and everything is derivative.

learn a lesson here.....borrowing parts =/= borrowing core story elements Ultima borrows a bit from Lord of the Rings and Dungeons and Dragons.....but the CORE of Ultima IV, V, VI, and VII...are NOTHING like Lord of the Rings and Dungeons and Dragons.
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Yeah I remember when the zombies that were created from spores attacked the main characters of The Road, and when they were in a safe zone full of other people, and when they drove a car into other people and got into a gunfight.

Oh wait, none of those things happened? OP is just stupid? What a shocker.

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Sooooo.... you are saying that the author actually created the concepts of survival? He had never heard of cannibals before or watched a post apocalyptic movie? He completely invented the idea of bunkers?

ferret-gamer

Obviously. I mean in the whole of human literary and artistic history, Mass Effect's "soul" whence created in 2007 was clearly a seminal original piece of work unlike and unowing to anything that preceded it. And likewise The Road invented bunkers in 2006.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Ive read The Road a long time ago so my memory is fuzzy, but i don't recall there being the whole controlled dystopian society thing going on that the girl grows up in and the guy smuggles stuff in. Also, The Road isn't exactly an original work itself. It didn't create the idea of zombies or survival.ferret-gamer

No...The Road was actually pretty original, the only inspiration for that novel was the author's son.

Sooooo.... you are saying that the author actually created the concepts of survival? He had never heard of cannibals before or watched a post apocalyptic movie? He completely invented the idea of bunkers?

Fact: Cormac McCarthy got the cannibal idea not from other works, but from conversations with his brother. Nevermind he is the MASTER at depicting human cruelty....such as with characters like Judge Holden or Anton Chigurh.
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#98 texasgoldrush
Member since 2003 • 15267 Posts

Yeah I remember when the zombies that were created from spores attacked the main characters of The Road, and when they were in a safe zone full of other people, and when they drove a car into other people and got into a gunfight.

Oh wait, none of those things happened? OP is just stupid? What a shocker.

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or are you just stupid because you keep ignoring that I call the CORE OF THE DAMN STORY pretty much the same.
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#99 shinrabanshou
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or are you just stupid because you keep ignoring that I call the CORE OF THE DAMN STORY pretty much the same.texasgoldrush
Tell us a story then. Or rather tell us the story of a game that's as yet unreleased, not even known to be finished and that you've never played that you're seemingly privy to.

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#100 15strong
Member since 2007 • 2806 Posts

the last of us, after all, is uncharted with zombies. what's worse is that not only the protagonist is a pathological psycho, he seems to get high on killing people, like the end of the demo where he had a gun pointed at the last guy and could've just told him to run off, but instead he went and wasted a bullet on him. hell, the entire fight could've been avoided, but you started it. this isn't a survival game. in a survival game you'd have avoided the group, and if that was not possible, you'd try your best to avoid a fight, because you're worried about surviving and saving resources, not about taking down the bad guys.BrunoBRS

First, it is not uncharated with zombies. In fact, the first uncharted had zombie like creatures in it.

Second, you can in fact forgo the entire fight. Naughty Dog stated that you can sneak around them and avoid conflict.