The Last of us: worst Ai in gaming history?

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#151 deactivated-66e3137ab3ad5
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Are you fvcking kidding me? Sure, its AI has some issues, but seriously? Are you so desperate to bring the game down that you'll descend to such pathetic levels of critical hyperbole? 

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#152 sweeten16
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People keep using Ellie's undetectability as the excuse for it being absolutely awful AI. It does looks really stupid as a spectator watching Ellie literally walk right in front of enemies faces and they could have made partners movements a lot better but take her out of the situation and its decent, in fact enemies in combat are pretty smart constantly trying to flank you, I never see that in most games.

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#153 AtariKidX
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Not even close......The Last of us have some of the best AI in gaming history.
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#154 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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No, not even in the same ballpark.

TLoU has mediocre AI, but it is not horrible, just mildly broken, like most games this gen (Somewhat baffels me that the two gens before weve seen better ai, what is happening btw?)

But TLoU is not having a case of bad ai.

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#155 happyduds77
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People keep using Ellie's undetectability as the excuse for it being absolutely awful AI. It does looks really stupid as a spectator watching Ellie literally walk right in front of enemies faces and they could have made partners movements a lot better but take her out of the situation and its decent, in fact enemies in combat are pretty smart constantly trying to flank you, I never see that in most games.

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I actually found Ellie's AI to be pretty amazing. Ellie helps me out a lot. She stabs the guys that choke me. She stuns them with bricks/bottles. She points out where the enemies are located. She even points out what kind of gun they have. She says like "Oh sh!t Joel, that guy got a shotgun". And sometimes she stabs them to death. And when I held one of them as a hostage, she makes sure that they won't do anything stupid, if they do, well she shoots them. But yeah the companion AI need a little work on taking cover, moving slowly and talking lower.
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#156 lilnazar
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I thought the AI was pretty good. Well that's just me, but to me it seemed good.

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#157 deactivated-66e3137ab3ad5
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I thought the AI was pretty good. Well that's just me, but to me it seemed good.

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It's not just you. The AI has a few issues, but it's actually pretty good. Desperate haters are trying to pick at straws here and saying stupid shit like whatever the fvck this thread is trying to say.
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#158 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]i mean you'll die in RE4 if you go in guns blazing toohappyduds77
Resident Evil 4 is not a shooter either, it's a survival horror game. .

Lol no. It's a third person shooter. It's an action game.

The Last of Us is a stealth action game with survival elements. Why it's genre is being questioned is beyond me though. It clearly doesn't play by the same rules as most action games(you can't outright compare it to Gears of War and Uncharted for instance), and no genre label would excuse some of its AI drawbacks. Admittedly very few of them are game breaking beyond how in stealthy situations the AI is pretty easy to take advantage of even on survivor.

Those drawbacks aside it's pretty damn good AI in combat, and solid AI for stealth when you consider the AI has to be ready to flip at the snap of a finger, and the game isn't super scripted(for the most part).

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#159 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I don't know if it's terrible, in combat the AI is fairly good. It's in stealth they are really stupid. They don't really react quite often to a dead body(this could also be a product of not being allowed to pick up bodies, but Batman thugs respond to that shit too), their vision comes off really limited, and of course the game has made it so they don't react to support AI. I would say it's very inconsistent at times, but to the game's credit there is a lot more freedom and room given to the enemy AI. This isn't like Half Life 2 or Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty where the bad AI is super scripted and led by the nose. jg4xchamp
I've heard guards say: "Man down" when they see a body.

Again it's not really consistent. I've had plenty of stretches in the game where they will legit walk right over a dead body and not say a thing.

That hasn't happened to me yet. Only infected do that in my play throughs. In fact, they call out to each other and go to where their friend's last position was.
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#160 shadiezz2012
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this is getting very sad
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#161 Jack-Burton
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The A.I was competent, only bothered me when, Ellie would run in front of enemies and they didn't notice her. And one time I crouched under a trip wire and she just walked through it taking off a chunk of my health stupid kid.
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#162 2Chalupas
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The A.I was competent, only bothered me when, Ellie would run in front of enemies and they didn't notice her. And one time I crouched under a trip wire and she just walked through it taking off a chunk of my health stupid kid.Jack-Burton
 

That bothers me in alot of games, when enemies don't seem to register or target the "friendly" AI's... instead they just focus on your player. It just comes off as a bit lazy. It's sad though that 99% of modern games are like this - Call of Duty "bullet sponge" comes to mind, I literally cringe in that game when enemy AI and friendly AI just stand there shooting seemingly unlimited bullets at each other, then as soon as I pop my head out I get shot by that same enemy AI :roll:

Certainly the AI was pretty average in this game, and the AI of Ellie was nothing special at all (that aspect was totallly overhyped). But as I was playing the game, I never found it abnormally bad either. It just seemed "typical" for a game of this type. However I did come across one instance where it was frozen, similar to this video. Hardly indicative of the whole experience though. Obviously he just found some glitched section. Lame ass OP.

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#163 deactivated-5d7fb49ded561
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Lems still upset with the 95, I wonder how long they are going to be butthurt about it

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#164 percech
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[QUOTE="percech"]I redbox'd it and the AI is really bad. The game is just plain boring.Jandurin
do you feel like it's more a shooter or survival or action adventure or what

I felt like it was more of a terrible movie.
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#165 2Chalupas
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[QUOTE="sweeten16"]

People keep using Ellie's undetectability as the excuse for it being absolutely awful AI. It does looks really stupid as a spectator watching Ellie literally walk right in front of enemies faces and they could have made partners movements a lot better but take her out of the situation and its decent, in fact enemies in combat are pretty smart constantly trying to flank you, I never see that in most games.

happyduds77

I actually found Ellie's AI to be pretty amazing. Ellie helps me out a lot. She stabs the guys that choke me. She stuns them with bricks/bottles. She points out where the enemies are located. She even points out what kind of gun they have. She says like "Oh sh!t Joel, that guy got a shotgun". And sometimes she stabs them to death. And when I held one of them as a hostage, she makes sure that they won't do anything stupid, if they do, well she shoots them. But yeah the companion AI need a little work on taking cover, moving slowly and talking lower.

 

None of that stuff really seems amazing though. How hard is it to program that an enemy has a shotgun, and then have Ellie realize the guy has a shotgun? Doesn't seem all that groundbreaking to me. 

Now having the AI come to your aid and actually intervene in dynamic ways WHILE you are being attacked mid-battle? That was pretty cool at times (not necessarily OMG groundbreaking, but it was at least something that not all games even bother attempting). But then Ellie did occasionally walk right in front of enemies, who would in turn fail to even notice her. So overall the AI was a bit of a mixed bag. It wasn't awful, it had a few good points, and it's bad points... as well as the occasional glitch (AI or otherwise).

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#166 happyduds77
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Wait a minute, are you guys serious about this? You want the enemy AI to detect the friendly AI? Do you guys even realize how annoying it would be? It will ruin the stealth aspect of the game. The player shouldn't be punished just because of the friendly AI glitched out. Use your brains people.

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#167 percech
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Here you go Sony nutsacks:     this was basically the gist of it when it comes to this game's AI.

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#168 happyduds77
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[QUOTE="happyduds77"][QUOTE="sweeten16"]

People keep using Ellie's undetectability as the excuse for it being absolutely awful AI. It does looks really stupid as a spectator watching Ellie literally walk right in front of enemies faces and they could have made partners movements a lot better but take her out of the situation and its decent, in fact enemies in combat are pretty smart constantly trying to flank you, I never see that in most games.

2Chalupas

I actually found Ellie's AI to be pretty amazing. Ellie helps me out a lot. She stabs the guys that choke me. She stuns them with bricks/bottles. She points out where the enemies are located. She even points out what kind of gun they have. She says like "Oh sh!t Joel, that guy got a shotgun". And sometimes she stabs them to death. And when I held one of them as a hostage, she makes sure that they won't do anything stupid, if they do, well she shoots them. But yeah the companion AI need a little work on taking cover, moving slowly and talking lower.

 

None of that stuff really seems amazing though. How hard is it to program that an enemy has a shotgun, and then have Ellie realize the guy has a shotgun? Doesn't seem all that groundbreaking to me. 

Now having the AI come to your aid and actually intervene in dynamic ways WHILE you are being attacked mid-battle? That was pretty cool at times (not necessarily OMG groundbreaking, but it was at least something that not all games even bother attempting). But then Ellie did occasionally walk right in front of enemies, who would in turn fail to even notice her. So overall the AI was a bit of a mixed bag. It wasn't awful, it had a few good points, and it's bad points... as well as the occasional glitch (AI or otherwise).

Maybe it's not impressive to you, but it is for millions of people.
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#169 Far_RockNYC
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Lems still upset with the 95, I wonder how long they are going to be butthurt about it

Davekeeh

8.0 BWHAHAHAHAHAHA how sweet it is! 

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#170 Far_RockNYC
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Here you go Sony nutsacks:     this was basically the gist of it when it comes to this game's AI.

percech

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

TCHBO! 

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#171 p3anut
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Your laugh is funny.

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#172 faizan_faizan
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Here you go Sony nutsacks:  [img]http://i.picpar.com/FWp.gif[img] [img]http://i.picpar.com/TQp.gif[img] [img]http://i.picpar.com/UQp.gif[img] this was basically the gist of it when it comes to this game's AI.

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:lol:
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#173 vpacalypse
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Whatever...Last of us got some serious critical acclaim...

This is just cherry picking some issues...

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#174 delete-SimplyFatal
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LOL
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#175 Mandingo101
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Probably some of the best AI I've seen. Enemies didn't do the usual things you'd come to expect. Nobody ever talked about Gears or Halo AI because everyone knows it's dumb as sht. I guess Lems are jealous because the last time they got an AAA average game was... I honestly can't remember. And, I honestly feel sorry for OP looking at that video and channel. Sheesh... Douchebags-r-us.
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#176 lundy86_4  Online
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No. It has bad spots, sure, but calling it the worst is idiotic.

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#177 Under_Armour
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When a game is this good, the only thing to do is cherry pick I guess. Already beat the game twice, soo good. I hardly finish games these days, I couldn't wait to beat TLOU a second time. ND were just showing off with this one.
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#178 3SidedSquare
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Lems are pissed that they didn't get to play the best game of our generation.

Understandable.

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#179 TheWalkingGhost
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I guess the lemming damage control is still raging. Nice 51 second video there. :roll:
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#180 ShadowsDemon
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You do realise that if the AI were visible in stealth levels then everyone would have been raging that you can't do any stealth levels because of the AI. This is the lesser of two evils.
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#181 TheWalkingGhost
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No. It has bad spots, sure, but calling it the worst is idiotic.

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#182 shadiezz2012
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I guess the lemming damage control is still raging. Nice 51 second video there. :roll: TheWalkingGhost
it pretty clear that the game is getting incredible love from pretty much every site and gamers on the internet

and gamers call it GOTG and GOTY

and it getting loved here too for most gamers too

but i swear i have never seen this kind of hate/butthurt that is coming from the haters here any where else

even a site like TeamXbox is in love with this game

 

SW has become very very lame:roll:

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#183 thewickedgamer
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No. AI is one of the hardest things to program in gaming. AI does not correlate to processing power. You cant make a computer act 100 % like a human. Name one game this gen that has you escorting multiple partners on screen and having enemy AI in effect that does in better than TLOU? Video games are video games. TLOU does not have perfect AI 100 percent of the time but what game does? Even the AI in FEAR can be exploited and glitchy at times. TLOU has one of the best AI systems in a game despite some quirks. This is just inane nitpicking and trying to drivel a wedge in the game's success.
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#184 xhawk27
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Crysis 1 had great AI (on PC at least), no clue what you're talking about. :|

 

And well, TLOU doesn't have the best AI, yes, but it still beats every other game when it comes to MC score :cool:

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Not GTA 4. ..... suck it cows! :lol:

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#185 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="SchnabbleTab"]

Crysis 1 had great AI (on PC at least), no clue what you're talking about. :|

 

And well, TLOU doesn't have the best AI, yes, but it still beats every other game when it comes to MC score :cool:

xhawk27

Not GTA 4. ..... suck it cows! :lol:

That's the worst attempt at system wars ownage I've seen in a long time, lol.
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#186 xhawk27
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[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="SchnabbleTab"]

Crysis 1 had great AI (on PC at least), no clue what you're talking about. :|

 

And well, TLOU doesn't have the best AI, yes, but it still beats every other game when it comes to MC score :cool:

lx_theo

Not GTA 4. ..... suck it cows! :lol:

That's the worst attempt at system wars ownage I've seen in a long time, lol.

It's still true. ;)

 

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#188 Wiimotefan
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Worst in history?  :lol:

Either you're new to gaming or you quickly forget the past.

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#189 Teuf_
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Absolutely, no game has ever had worse AI.

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#190 Tessellation
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well i've heard this from several people,is not that bad tho...
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#191 Tessellation
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Absolutely, no game has ever had worse AI.

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where is the caption *what chu lookin at*
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#192 bobbetybob
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Absolutely, no game has ever had worse AI.

Teufelhuhn
Actually that makes perfect sense in the context of the game (still looks stupid though). There's a million better examples of bad AI in that game though Also I've been playing FEAR again today thanks to this thread, the AI is great but there's just as many dumb moments you could pick out in that too, it was amazing for the time though because enemies react to stuff most games (even some today) ignore like your flashlight or footsteps and they'll generally spot you if you're in their line of sight.
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#193 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Absolutely, no game has ever had worse AI.

bobbetybob

Actually that makes perfect sense in the context of the game (still looks stupid though). There's a million better examples of bad AI in that game though



I don't care if it makes sense, it makes me laugh every time I see it. :P

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Has there been any game on consoles with good AI?
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#195 moistsandwich
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[QUOTE="humpmasterflex"]

Started playing this game recently, and i have to say the ai is probably the worst of any game i have ever played in history. This ai makes Crysis look like a AI masterpiece.

Do you guys agree, and if not list other games that you think are worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-1GfTRA0A

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LMAO! same thing happened to me

OMG... I'm crying over here.... funny stuff. I love the game btw.

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#196 MethodManFTW
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With that voice I would stop making YouTube videos. :O
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#197 happyduds77
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[QUOTE="Far_RockNYC"]

[QUOTE="humpmasterflex"]

Started playing this game recently, and i have to say the ai is probably the worst of any game i have ever played in history. This ai makes Crysis look like a AI masterpiece.

Do you guys agree, and if not list other games that you think are worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-1GfTRA0A

moistsandwich

LMAO! same thing happened to me

OMG... I'm crying over here.... funny stuff. I love the game btw.

Same here. My God that is hilarious. WTH happened with Ellie? LOOOOOOOL
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#198 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="SchnabbleTab"]

Crysis 1 had great AI (on PC at least), no clue what you're talking about. :|

 

And well, TLOU doesn't have the best AI, yes, but it still beats every other game when it comes to MC score :cool:

lx_theo

Not GTA 4. ..... suck it cows! :lol:

That's the worst attempt at system wars ownage I've seen in a long time, lol.

You should have seen his attempts at Vanquish and how it had "sh!t" MP. Now that was gold.
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#199 nutcrackr
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Can't be worse than the AI in Payday
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#200 Far_RockNYC
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TLoU8.jpg.