The loss of Rare

some of the developers left before nintendo sold rare noone left rare when Nintendo Sold them.

Kameo was really good game but short

Perfect  Dark zero was a decent game just there aiming was off most likely cause microsoft rushed PDZ

viva Pinata is really good sim game

 If anything RARE games seem to be getting better.

The original Banjo team is making the new banjo game.

everyone on this board makes it seem whem microsoft got rare everyone left truth is most of the good teams are still there. 

PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen. The game is not even AA.GunSmith1_basic

Perfect Dark Zero is a AAA game on GS. Fact. 

Not much of a loss - if you look at what Rare's earned for Microsoft, it becomes clear that Microsoft paid way too much money.

Nintendo got more cash for Rare than Rare ever would have earned for them.  It was a good deal for Nintendo, not so much for Microsoft.

Every Rare game on the Xbox360 scored at last an 8.2+ and one of them even scored an AAA. So system war logic is that an AA-AAA developer is crap? Wow, then every other developer out there sucks too.Click_Clock

Not to mention everyone knows those games are mediocre when compared with their work at nintendo.  

How big of a loss, do you believe that selling rare to Xbox is to Nintendo, especially with games such as Kameo, Perfect Dark, Conker and Banjo Kazooie being released on the Xbox and the 360?

Gismo25

None of those games you listed are really any good. Doesn't sound like a loss. Last time I bought a Rare game was Battletoads for the Gameboy, if I remember correctly. 

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen. The game is not even AA.Blackbond

Perfect Dark Zero is a AAA game on GS. Fact.

On GS sure, but it looks strange when they're the only ones. Does anyone still play PDZ? That's what I thought. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen. The game is not even AA.D_Znuhtz

Perfect Dark Zero is a AAA game on GS. Fact.

On GS sure, but it looks strange when they're the only ones. Does anyone still play PDZ? That's what I thought. 

[QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Rare totally sucks now. After Conker's bad fur day, the quality of their games plummited. Perfect Dark Zero was the saddest excuse for a game that I have ever played and this is coming from someone who is a Perfect Dark fan. Unfortunately, I have not played Viva Pinata, though I hear it is good, I cannot comment on it until I have played it. SecretPolice

                    You are entitled to an opinion but GS and millions of others disagree !!  PDZ= AAA launch title ;)

so wario ware is a aaa :|

                  Okay look at the post again I was responding too - He said PDZ was the " saddest excuse for a game " - now did I say anything about Wario Ware being sad, poor, suck or even mention it at all ???  No I only stated a fact you should take notes ;)

                  Take those goggles and file them under " G " than come back and maybe we can talk ;)

again you avoding my question and when dose gs Opioion = fact? :roll:

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen. The game is not even AA.Nintendo_Ownes7

Perfect Dark Zero is a AAA game on GS. Fact.

On GS sure, but it looks strange when they're the only ones. Does anyone still play PDZ? That's what I thought. 

             See this is what I find funny - If PDZ was the same ( not possible on the inferior Wii ) but  what Wii owner would think it's not all that on their little Wii? I mean - graphics, gameplay, FUN, ease of use, ONLINE ect.   Cmon sheeple give me some sort of logic on this one. For a $50.00 bill you coulda been a contender ;)

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Rare totally sucks now. After Conker's bad fur day, the quality of their games plummited. Perfect Dark Zero was the saddest excuse for a game that I have ever played and this is coming from someone who is a Perfect Dark fan. Unfortunately, I have not played Viva Pinata, though I hear it is good, I cannot comment on it until I have played it. wavebrid

                    You are entitled to an opinion but GS and millions of others disagree !!  PDZ= AAA launch title ;)

so wario ware is a aaa :|

                  Okay look at the post again I was responding too - He said PDZ was the " saddest excuse for a game " - now did I say anything about Wario Ware being sad, poor, suck or even mention it at all ???  No I only stated a fact you should take notes ;)

                  Take those goggles and file them under " G " than come back and maybe we can talk ;)

again you avoding my question and when dose gs Opioion = fact? :roll:

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen. The game is not even AA.SecretPolice

Perfect Dark Zero is a AAA game on GS. Fact.

On GS sure, but it looks strange when they're the only ones. Does anyone still play PDZ? That's what I thought. 

             See this is what I find funny - If PDZ was the same ( not possible on the inferior Wii ) but  what Wii owner would think it's not all that on their little Wii? I mean - graphics, gameplay, FUN, ease of use, ONLINE ect.   Cmon sheeple give me some sort of logic on this one. For a $50.00 bill you coulda been a contender ;)

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen.  The game is not even AA.Bread_or_Decide

PDZ is over rated here at gamespot but that doesn't mean the game is worthless.

PDZ, Kameo, and Viva Pinata are three good games and Rare only seems to be getting better with each release.

Why PDZ is a total failure is because the original Perfect Dark still remains as one of the greatest FPS experiences ever made. It was its own thing. Then Halo came out and set the console FPS standard. Then when PDZ came out, I was hoping to experience the greatness of PD in the next gen format. Not so. It took PD and made it almost a clone copy of the Halo formula. They took the persoanlity that made the original great and fused it with what was popular at the time.

The problem with games like Halo is that, while they are great games, their critical success hurts the industry with copyoffs.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen.  The game is not even AA.organic_machine

PDZ is over rated here at gamespot but that doesn't mean the game is worthless.

PDZ, Kameo, and Viva Pinata are three good games and Rare only seems to be getting better with each release.

Why PDZ is a total failure is because the original Perfect Dark still remains as one of the greatest FPS experiences ever made. It was its own thing. Then Halo came out and set the console FPS standard. Then when PDZ came out, I was hoping to experience the greatness of PD in the next gen format. Not so. It took PD and made it almost a clone copy of the Halo formula. They took the persoanlity that made the original great and fused it with what was popular at the time.

The problem with games like Halo is that, while they are great games, their critical success hurts the industry with copyoffs.

[QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Rare totally sucks now. After Conker's bad fur day, the quality of their games plummited. Perfect Dark Zero was the saddest excuse for a game that I have ever played and this is coming from someone who is a Perfect Dark fan. Unfortunately, I have not played Viva Pinata, though I hear it is good, I cannot comment on it until I have played it. SecretPolice

                    You are entitled to an opinion but GS and millions of others disagree !!  PDZ= AAA launch title ;)

so wario ware is a aaa :|

                  Okay look at the post again I was responding too - He said PDZ was the " saddest excuse for a game " - now did I say anything about Wario Ware being sad, poor, suck or even mention it at all ???  No I only stated a fact you should take notes ;)

                  Take those goggles and file them under " G " than come back and maybe we can talk ;)

again you avoding my question and when dose gs Opioion = fact? :roll:

again you KEEP AVOIND THE POINT.

BTW IM NOT A DAMM SHEEP GET THAT THREW YOUR THINK SJULL LEMMING

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]PDZ is NOT a AAA game, GS screwed up because they were dazzled by the next gen. The game is not even AA.SecretPolice

Perfect Dark Zero is a AAA game on GS. Fact.

On GS sure, but it looks strange when they're the only ones. Does anyone still play PDZ? That's what I thought. 

             See this is what I find funny - If PDZ was the same ( not possible on the inferior Wii ) but  what Wii owner would think it's not all that on their little Wii? I mean - graphics, gameplay, FUN, ease of use, ONLINE ect.   Cmon sheeple give me some sort of logic on this one. For a $50.00 bill you coulda been a contender ;)

can you prove it let me give you lemming alittle hint NO YOU CANT

You havent even used logic yet i wouldnt be talking :| freaking lemmings

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Rare isn't as good as they used to be(reason Nintendo didn't care about them anymore should proov something) Nintendo didn't even make a bid at there most important 2nd party is proove in itself there not the same. the only thing nintendo lost is the rights to some of those games but it's not the same rare , how do i know this? i'm not running to buy there new games and i was a huge rare fan. one of my top 10 favorite games of all time Jet Force Gemini. Nintendo Instills a quality from it's devs and seems MS isn't worried about the gameplay Elements more than the Graphics elemts(just look how much Lemming care about GFX)so they need games with good Graphics so they can maintain that quality.

Ultimas_Blade

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Rare isn't as good as they used to be(reason Nintendo didn't care about them anymore should proov something) Nintendo didn't even make a bid at there most important 2nd party is proove in itself there not the same. the only thing nintendo lost is the rights to some of those games but it's not the same rare , how do i know this? i'm not running to buy there new games and i was a huge rare fan. one of my top 10 favorite games of all time Jet Force Gemini. Nintendo Instills a quality from it's devs and seems MS isn't worried about the gameplay Elements more than the Graphics elemts(just look how much Lemming care about GFX)so they need games with good Graphics so they can maintain that quality.

peacebringer

bugine has made more than 1 game :|

Absolutly no loss at all, nintendo sold rare at the perfect time, and rare havnt produced anything good since.magrappy

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Too bad all those good scores prove you wrong.

Nintendo also lost Factor 5. I'm sure no sheep will admit that Lair looks awesome.

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Rare isn't as good as they used to be(reason Nintendo didn't care about them anymore should proov something) Nintendo didn't even make a bid at there most important 2nd party is proove in itself there not the same. the only thing nintendo lost is the rights to some of those games but it's not the same rare , how do i know this? i'm not running to buy there new games and i was a huge rare fan. one of my top 10 favorite games of all time Jet Force Gemini. Nintendo Instills a quality from it's devs and seems MS isn't worried about the gameplay Elements more than the Graphics elemts(just look how much Lemming care about GFX)so they need games with good Graphics so they can maintain that quality.

wavebrid

bugine has made more than 1 game :|

[QUOTE="magrappy"]Absolutly no loss at all, nintendo sold rare at the perfect time, and rare havnt produced anything good since.Bread_or_Decide

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Too bad all those good scores prove you wrong.

Nintendo also lost Factor 5. I'm sure no sheep will admit that Lair looks awesome.

How big of a loss, do you believe that selling rare to Xbox is to Nintendo, especially with games such as Kameo, Perfect Dark, Conker and Banjo Kazooie being released on the Xbox and the 360?

Gismo25

[QUOTE="magrappy"]Absolutly no loss at all, nintendo sold rare at the perfect time, and rare havnt produced anything good since.Bread_or_Decide

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Too bad all those good scores prove you wrong.

Nintendo also lost Factor 5. I'm sure no sheep will admit that Lair looks awesome.

I'm a dedicated sheep and I have no problems congratulating Factor 5 on their incredible technical accomplishments with L.A.I.R.  They're one of the few developers that have done something that expresses the advanced capabilities of Cell in a game.

Factor 5 wasn't owned by Nintendo, however.  They were always an independent third party, and their forte is graphics and engine design.  They're very technically focused, so it's not surprising that they aren't interested in the Wii hardware.

Rare, on the other hand, was 49% owned by Nintendo.  Microsoft paid a very large sum of money for Rare, $280 million or so.

Rare hasn't even come close to earning that for Microsoft.  Nintendo really got the best end of that deal financially, because Microsoft paid far more than Rare was worth.  Game reviews don't really come into it.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="magrappy"]Absolutly no loss at all, nintendo sold rare at the perfect time, and rare havnt produced anything good since.Iyethar

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Too bad all those good scores prove you wrong.

Nintendo also lost Factor 5. I'm sure no sheep will admit that Lair looks awesome.

I'm a dedicated sheep and I have no problems congratulating Factor 5 on their incredible technical accomplishments with L.A.I.R.  They're one of the few developers that have done something that expresses the advanced capabilities of Cell in a game.

Factor 5 wasn't owned by Nintendo, however.  They were always an independent third party, and their forte is graphics and engine design.  They're very technically focused, so it's not surprising that they aren't interested in the Wii hardware.

Rare, on the other hand, was 49% owned by Nintendo.  Microsoft paid a very large sum of money for Rare, $280 million or so.

Rare hasn't even come close to earning that for Microsoft.  Nintendo really got the best end of that deal financially, because Microsoft paid far more than Rare was worth.  Game reviews don't really come into it.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="magrappy"]Absolutly no loss at all, nintendo sold rare at the perfect time, and rare havnt produced anything good since.Iyethar

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Too bad all those good scores prove you wrong.

Nintendo also lost Factor 5. I'm sure no sheep will admit that Lair looks awesome.

I'm a dedicated sheep and I have no problems congratulating Factor 5 on their incredible technical accomplishments with L.A.I.R. They're one of the few developers that have done something that expresses the advanced capabilities of Cell in a game.

Factor 5 wasn't owned by Nintendo, however. They were always an independent third party, and their forte is graphics and engine design. They're very technically focused, so it's not surprising that they aren't interested in the Wii hardware.

Rare, on the other hand, was 49% owned by Nintendo. Microsoft paid a very large sum of money for Rare, $280 million or so.

Rare hasn't even come close to earning that for Microsoft. Nintendo really got the best end of that deal financially, because Microsoft paid far more than Rare was worth. Game reviews don't really come into it.

it is more of a loss for rare.  look at their sales when they were with ninty compared to their sales now.  without myimoto giving them a helping hand on every game it seems they are really loosing steam.  the only game i have enjoyed since they were sold is viva pinata.  kameo was ok but way to short, perfect dark zero was ok but not even close to as good as the orginal, conker is fine and dandy on the xbox but it was just a remake of a 64 game.  voodoo vince was just rubbish, rare does not have their magic anymore.  heck even the founders have left them and gone to make their own new studio. that is how far down hill rare has gone.  microsoft bought a good catalog but have none of the developers working on those games anymore.  microsoft simple put got screwed in that deal.frankeyser

Haven't the last 4 Rare games all been solid AA games? Sheep are really grasping for straws when Rare has put out more quality games in the last year than total quality games available on the Wii.StephenKing_1

it is more of a loss for rare.  look at their sales when they were with ninty compared to their sales now.  without myimoto giving them a helping hand on every game it seems they are really loosing steam.  the only game i have enjoyed since they were sold is viva pinata.  kameo was ok but way to short, perfect dark zero was ok but not even close to as good as the orginal, conker is fine and dandy on the xbox but it was just a remake of a 64 game.  voodoo vince was just rubbish, rare does not have their magic anymore.  heck even the founders have left them and gone to make their own new studio. that is how far down hill rare has gone.  microsoft bought a good catalog but have none of the developers working on those games anymore.  microsoft simple put got screwed in that deal.frankeyser

Thank you, a 360 owner whos saying what the sheep are. But im sure your just a fanboy aswell.

When rare worked with Nintendo their game scores were alot higher than the games they are making now.

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]it is more of a loss for rare.  look at their sales when they were with ninty compared to their sales now.  without myimoto giving them a helping hand on every game it seems they are really loosing steam.  the only game i have enjoyed since they were sold is viva pinata.  kameo was ok but way to short, perfect dark zero was ok but not even close to as good as the orginal, conker is fine and dandy on the xbox but it was just a remake of a 64 game.  voodoo vince was just rubbish, rare does not have their magic anymore.  heck even the founders have left them and gone to make their own new studio. that is how far down hill rare has gone.  microsoft bought a good catalog but have none of the developers working on those games anymore.  microsoft simple put got screwed in that deal.Nintega91

Thank you, a 360 owner whos saying what the sheep are. But im sure your just a fanboy aswell.

When rare worked with Nintendo their game scores were alot higher than the games they are making now.

Nintendo's scores were higher too.  Guess they've "lost it" eh?

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[QUOTE="frankeyser"]it is more of a loss for rare.  look at their sales when they were with ninty compared to their sales now.  without myimoto giving them a helping hand on every game it seems they are really loosing steam.  the only game i have enjoyed since they were sold is viva pinata.  kameo was ok but way to short, perfect dark zero was ok but not even close to as good as the orginal, conker is fine and dandy on the xbox but it was just a remake of a 64 game.  voodoo vince was just rubbish, rare does not have their magic anymore.  heck even the founders have left them and gone to make their own new studio. that is how far down hill rare has gone.  microsoft bought a good catalog but have none of the developers working on those games anymore.  microsoft simple put got screwed in that deal.StephenKing_1

Thank you, a 360 owner whos saying what the sheep are. But im sure your just a fanboy aswell.

When rare worked with Nintendo their game scores were alot higher than the games they are making now.

Nintendo's scores were higher too.  Guess they've "lost it" eh?

to an extent yes they have.

If Rare stayed with Nintendo, people's comments would be very different.  Rare is Rare, Microsoft-owned or Nintendo-owned.Ultimas_Blade

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]If Rare stayed with Nintendo, people's comments would be very different.  Rare is Rare, Microsoft-owned or Nintendo-owned.shaggyaz

Rare is Rare in name only. If you read this thread you'll realise that people have been jumping ship since they made Goldneye.

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]If Rare stayed with Nintendo, people's comments would be very different. Rare is Rare, Microsoft-owned or Nintendo-owned.Nintega91

Rare is Rare in name only. If you read this thread you'll realise that people have been jumping ship since they made Goldneye.

[QUOTE="Nintega91"]

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]If Rare stayed with Nintendo, people's comments would be very different. Rare is Rare, Microsoft-owned or Nintendo-owned.HuusAsking

Rare is Rare in name only. If you read this thread you'll realise that people have been jumping ship since they made Goldneye.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Nintega91"]

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"][QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]If Rare stayed with Nintendo, people's comments would be very different. Rare is Rare, Microsoft-owned or Nintendo-owned.Nintendo_Ownes7

Rare is Rare in name only. If you read this thread you'll realise that people have been jumping ship since they made Goldneye.

[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]          Don't fool yourselves sheeple - Nintendo losing Rare at the time it happened is almost as big as MS losing Bungie right now !!! Okay not almost as big but still..;)SecretPolice

if it did it would of shown by now and plus rare is making games for gba/ ds anyways so they havent loss rare

If Rare stayed with Nintendo, people's comments would be very different. Rare is Rare, Microsoft-owned or Nintendo-owned.Ultimas_Blade

Yeah. well. i have played all of Rares games recently and theyre awful. actually Goldeneye Perfect Dark and Jet Force Gemini were their last good games. 

How big of a loss, do you believe that selling rare to Xbox is to Nintendo, especially with games such as Kameo, Perfect Dark, Conker and Banjo Kazooie being released on the Xbox and the 360?

Gismo25

No loss whatsoever.  Viva Pinata is selling terribly.  Most people seem to hate PDZ.  Kameo didn't sell all that well.  Conker: Live and Reloaded was far worse than the N64 version.  Same goes for PDZ.  Grabbed by the Ghoulies :lol: i'm glad Nintendo was smart and got rid of them.  Having said that though, I think Kameo still has some of the best textures on 360 to date. 

[QUOTE="Gismo25"]

How big of a loss, do you believe that selling rare to Xbox is to Nintendo, especially with games such as Kameo, Perfect Dark, Conker and Banjo Kazooie being released on the Xbox and the 360?

AvIdGaMeR444

No loss whatsoever. Viva Pinata is selling terribly. Most people seem to hate PDZ. Kameo didn't sell all that well. Conker: Live and Reloaded was far worse than the N64 version. Same goes for PDZ. Grabbed by the Ghoulies :lol: i'm glad Nintendo was smart and got rid of them. Having said that though, I think Kameo still has some of the best textures on 360 to date.

I miss Rare...

Goldeneye... Perfect Dark... Conkers Bad Fur Day...

Those were some great memories...

Now what do we have left...

Just... Memories...