The most overrated game developer?

[QUOTE="kage_53"]Team Ninja. All they have done is make one DoA game after another and is going to remake all of the NG games. Where is teh new IPs project343

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Anyone who votes Bioware should stop playing games. Even if you don't like them, if you can't think of another dev that is more overrated...wow. Vyse_The_Daring

1 person says KOTOR was overrated garbage

142 review sites (including Gamespot) says KOTOR was a masterpiece, that it WAS AAA, about 30 of them giving it GOTY too.

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FAILURE OF THE CENTURY

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Can you prove that those scores and awards were out of pity?

Also, it's fine to not like a game. It's your opinion. Whats not fine is bashing people who actually like Kotor! It's ok to disagree.

1 person says KOTOR was overrated garbage

142 review sites (including Gamespot) says KOTOR was a masterpiece, that it WAS AAA, about 30 of them giving it GOTY too.

Ramierez has just won the prestigious award for

FAILURE OF THE CENTURY

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As I have said ebfore, the critical acclaim was completely out of pity, because Xbox had been a terrible console up until that point and sources were desperate to give acclaim to any Xbox game they could find that wasn't completely broken. Therefore a game that in reality deserved under a 7 got pity AAA scores and pity awards. These are the facts.-Ramirez-

1 person says KOTOR was overrated garbage

142 review sites (including Gamespot) says KOTOR was a masterpiece, that it WAS AAA, about 30 of them giving it GOTY too.

Ramierez has just won the prestigious award for

FAILURE OF THE CENTURY

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Enix: Such a crappy developer.

Square: I would be lying if I said this during the PS era. Easily the best RPG developers. Then they really sucked.

Team Ninja: The whole team seems like a bunch of bitter people.

Your such a fanboy just naming those two:roll:

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Anyone who votes Bioware should stop playing games. Even if you don't like them, if you can't think of another dev that is more overrated...wow. -Ramirez-

:lol: thats a lie

This is easy for me. Most know I think Bioware is the most overrated company in gaming. To put Bioware in top 10 is just silly if you ask me. Their average make 1 game per year. And at best they sales are decent around 1-2 million. Simply put, I can name 10 companies that has a higher profit then them. Better games based on Gamespot reviews. And higher sales for an indivual game. I don't see how people can say they top 5 in gaming...shungokustasu

By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]This is easy for me. Most know I think Bioware is the most overrated company in gaming. To put Bioware in top 10 is just silly if you ask me. Their average make 1 game per year. And at best they sales are decent around 1-2 million. Simply put, I can name 10 companies that has a higher profit then them. Better games based on Gamespot reviews. And higher sales for an indivual game. I don't see how people can say they top 5 in gaming...AdobeArtist

By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once.

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]This is easy for me. Most know I think Bioware is the most overrated company in gaming. To put Bioware in top 10 is just silly if you ask me. Their average make 1 game per year. And at best they sales are decent around 1-2 million. Simply put, I can name 10 companies that has a higher profit then them. Better games based on Gamespot reviews. And higher sales for an indivual game. I don't see how people can say they top 5 in gaming...shungokustasu

By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once.

What's your criteria for that list? 

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]This is easy for me. Most know I think Bioware is the most overrated company in gaming. To put Bioware in top 10 is just silly if you ask me. Their average make 1 game per year. And at best they sales are decent around 1-2 million. Simply put, I can name 10 companies that has a higher profit then them. Better games based on Gamespot reviews. And higher sales for an indivual game. I don't see how people can say they top 5 in gaming...AdobeArtist

By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once.

What's your criteria for that list?

PS: A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated. 

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By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once.

shungokustasu

What's your criteria for that list?

PS: A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated.

Maybe Bioware does make fewer games than EA, but can you argue that those they do produce ARE quality games? Wheras the dev that brings out 15, not a good chance they'll ALL be high quality titles. Fewer GREAT games is better than multiple average games. That's why quality is more important than quantity.

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]This is easy for me. Most know I think Bioware is the most overrated company in gaming. To put Bioware in top 10 is just silly if you ask me. Their average make 1 game per year. And at best they sales are decent around 1-2 million. Simply put, I can name 10 companies that has a higher profit then them. Better games based on Gamespot reviews. And higher sales for an indivual game. I don't see how people can say they top 5 in gaming...shungokustasu

By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once.

Talk about Ironic....:lol: 

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By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once.

AdobeArtist

What's your criteria for that list?

PS: A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated.

Maybe Bioware does make fewer games than EA, but can you argue that those they do produce ARE quality games? Wheras the dev that brings out 15, not a good chance they'll ALL be high quality titles. Fewer GREAT games is better than multiple average games. That's why quality is more important than quantity.

Square nix or Kojima productions. Square can't make a decent game outside of JRPG's and even they have been lackluster the past couple of years and Kojima productions because the MGS games never should enter a conversation about the best games ever. MGS is a good series but doesn't deserve to be mentioned with the best. Sony fans make him my most overated pick. lordseer

[QUOTE="kage_53"]Team Ninja. All the have done is make one DoA game after another and is going to remake all of the NG games. Where is teh new IPs project343

Why are Bioware and Bungie on there? I'd say square enix, their last few FF games were horrible and sold and were reviewed based off brand name, 5 years ago I wouldn't say this.. but today, they are overrated big time...Heith

None of those developers are overrated.

I would have to say Konami, only because they've been milking the same 3 IP's (MGS, Castlevania, Winning Eleven) for the past 10+ yrs. Sure they have Suikoden & Silent Hill, but overall these titles were never killer IP's like the other 3. Most of Konami other games weren't that great. Remember their sports titles back on the PS1. Uuhhgg!!

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]This is easy for me. Most know I think Bioware is the most overrated company in gaming. To put Bioware in top 10 is just silly if you ask me. Their average make 1 game per year. And at best they sales are decent around 1-2 million. Simply put, I can name 10 companies that has a higher profit then them. Better games based on Gamespot reviews. And higher sales for an indivual game. I don't see how people can say they top 5 in gaming...Acenso

By your reasoning EA should be the best dev there is, with how many games they pump out a year.

There's quantity, and then there's quality. And quality comes from having a great deal of attention focused on fewer products than many at once.

Talk about Ironic....:lol:

A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated.shungokustasu

Umm.....because that one AAA from Bioware is probably higher quality, deeper, longer and a more memorable experience than any of those 4 EA games?

Just because a game is AAA doesn't mean it's the same quality of experience as any other.

Plus you're comparing EA, which is the industry's largest developer/publisher which specializes in churning out quantity against a little Canadian studio that focuses on producing quality.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Anyone who votes Bioware should stop playing games. Even if you don't like them, if you can't think of another dev that is more overrated...wow. -Ramirez-

I agree in some aspects. KotoR was a great game, well the original, the second kind of sucked because the story was weak but they did improve on the gameplay a little bit and upped the graphics. Battlefront is just awful though, seriously I cant play it for more then 5 minutes without getting bored of the slow gameplay and stupid enemy AI. I miss the good Star Wars games like the Jedi Knight series and X-wing versus Tie Fighter, there is no way Bioware could top Factor 5's Rogue Squadron though which is pretty much the pinnacle of Star Wars games on consoles. I had Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast for the GC, it was a pretty decent game all around and much better then Battlefront.

None of those developers are overrated.

I would have to say Konami, only because they've been milking the same 3 IP's (MGS, Castlevania, Winning Eleven) for the past 10+ yrs. Sure they have Suikoden & Silent Hill, but overall these titles were never killer IP's like the other 3. Most of Konami other games weren't that great. Remember their sports titles back on the PS1. Uuhhgg!!

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"] A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated.fuzzysquash

Umm.....because that one AAA from Bioware is probably higher quality, deeper, longer and a more memorable experience than any of those 4 EA games?

Just because a game is AAA doesn't mean it's the same quality of experience as any other.

Plus you're comparing EA, which is the industry's largest developer/publisher which specializes in churning out quantity against a little Canadian studio that focuses on producing quality.

How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?TaCoDuDe

How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?TaCoDuDe

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?-Ramirez-

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?-Ramirez-

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?shungokustasu

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?shungokustasu

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"] A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated.shungokustasu

Umm.....because that one AAA from Bioware is probably higher quality, deeper, longer and a more memorable experience than any of those 4 EA games?

Just because a game is AAA doesn't mean it's the same quality of experience as any other.

Plus you're comparing EA, which is the industry's largest developer/publisher which specializes in churning out quantity against a little Canadian studio that focuses on producing quality.

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?shungokustasu

Don't expect an intelligent explanation from Ramierez. He can't back up his ludicrous claims that the hundreds of AAA scores KOTOR got was purely out of "pity".

And to continue our previous debate of quality over quanity, without getting into a superchain post, let me add - I have nothing against AA games. I don't get into that fanboy mentality that anything less than a 9 is crap, AA games mean they are still great. But when I say many multiple games coming out and some of them being average, that also means A games. So maybe 1 dev comes out with 17 games which breaks down as AAAx2, AAx5, Ax10... and then another dev has 4 games in which 3 are AAA and 1 is AA. That to me says the 1st dev while producing many titles, many of them are just fillers, whereas the games by the second dev are fewer but you can count on each being a great gaming experience.

Of course I'm talking general principals here and not by specific examples, but I feel Bioware follows that principle.

Why are Bioware and Bungie on there? I'd say square enix, their last few FF games were horrible and sold and were reviewed based off brand name, 5 years ago I wouldn't say this.. but today, they are overrated big time...Heith

Rockstar. GTA SA got way more attention that it deservedBuryMe

Yeah.  I mean, the GTA games are good.  But not as good as they're made out to be.

[QUOTE="Heith"]Why are Bioware and Bungie on there? I'd say square enix, their last few FF games were horrible and sold and were reviewed based off brand name, 5 years ago I wouldn't say this.. but today, they are overrated big time...toxicmog

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"] A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated.fuzzysquash

Umm.....because that one AAA from Bioware is probably higher quality, deeper, longer and a more memorable experience than any of those 4 EA games?

Just because a game is AAA doesn't mean it's the same quality of experience as any other.

Plus you're comparing EA, which is the industry's largest developer/publisher which specializes in churning out quantity against a little Canadian studio that focuses on producing quality.

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?shungokustasu

Here's the difference between games and hardware.

All games are scored, that's how we determine the good ones from the bad. A score is a measure of quality, not sales.

When it comes to consoles, the market leader is determined by market share, which indicates the most favored by the entire gaming community. This is something that can't be scored, so this is where we go by sales.

In other words, for games we go by scores because there are scores to go by, but there aren't scores for the consoles themselves. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]How do sales have anything to do with how good a developer is?AdobeArtist

Don't expect an intelligent explanation from Ramierez. He can't back up his ludicrous claims that the hundreds of AAA scores KOTOR got was purely out of "pity".

And to continue our previous debate of quality over quanity, without getting into a superchain post, let me add - I have nothing against AA games. I don't get into that fanboy mentality that anything less than a 9 is crap, AA games mean they are still great. But when I say many multiple games coming out and some of them being average, that also means A games. So maybe 1 dev comes out with 17 games which breaks down as AAAx2, AAx5, Ax10... and then another dev has 4 games in which 3 are AAA and 1 is AA. That to me says the 1st dev while producing many titles, many of them are just fillers, whereas the games by the second dev are fewer but you can count on each being a great gaming experience.

Of course I'm talking general principals here and not by specific examples, but I feel Bioware follows that principle.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"] A lot of people just base it on Quality. Which doesn't make sense to me. if EA make 15 games in one year and get 4 AAA that year, and Bioware makes 1 game in a year and gets a AAA. People will say Bioware is better. How? that why Bioware is overrated.shungokustasu

Umm.....because that one AAA from Bioware is probably higher quality, deeper, longer and a more memorable experience than any of those 4 EA games?

Just because a game is AAA doesn't mean it's the same quality of experience as any other.

Plus you're comparing EA, which is the industry's largest developer/publisher which specializes in churning out quantity against a little Canadian studio that focuses on producing quality.