[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="web966"]Square EnixSvarthek
I second this.
Thirded
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[QUOTE="Gzus666"]this started as the fact that bungie DOESNT MAKE ANY OTHER GAMES. they are an overrated developer cause they have 1 friggin hit. Blizzard and Epic destroy them to name a few, yet they rarely get mentioned as originators. meanwhile Bungie is touted as the greatest developers ever. Epic has made some of the greatest games in history, Jazz Jackrabbit, Jill of the Jungle, Doom, etc. Blizzard, need i say more? when Bungie makes more than 1 decent series, let me know.
TyrantDragon55
Did you just claim that Epic made Doom? That was ID software not Epic.
yea, i mixed them up with ID. it happens. Unreal tournement, better? ID is another fine developer anyway, commander keen anyone?
[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]this started as the fact that bungie DOESNT MAKE ANY OTHER GAMES. they are an overrated developer cause they have 1 friggin hit. Blizzard and Epic destroy them to name a few, yet they rarely get mentioned as originators. meanwhile Bungie is touted as the greatest developers ever. Epic has made some of the greatest games in history, Jazz Jackrabbit, Jill of the Jungle, Doom, etc. Blizzard, need i say more? when Bungie makes more than 1 decent series, let me know.
Gzus666
Did you just claim that Epic made Doom? That was ID software not Epic.
yea, i mixed them up with ID. it happens. Unreal tournement, better? ID is another fine developer anyway, commander keen anyone?
Bungie made Myth, Marathon, Oni, Gnop,Halo, etc. So stop bashing devs when you don't know what they've made.[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]this started as the fact that bungie DOESNT MAKE ANY OTHER GAMES. they are an overrated developer cause they have 1 friggin hit. Blizzard and Epic destroy them to name a few, yet they rarely get mentioned as originators. meanwhile Bungie is touted as the greatest developers ever. Epic has made some of the greatest games in history, Jazz Jackrabbit, Jill of the Jungle, Doom, etc. Blizzard, need i say more? when Bungie makes more than 1 decent series, let me know.
DuDisNow
Did you just claim that Epic made Doom? That was ID software not Epic.
yea, i mixed them up with ID. it happens. Unreal tournement, better? ID is another fine developer anyway, commander keen anyone?
Bungie made Myth, Marathon, Oni, Gnop,Halo, etc. So stop bashing devs when you don't know what they've made.Oni was EFF'in awesome!
[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]So now we're judging by popularity? Marathon was a revolution for mac gaming, and one of the first shooters to utilize objective based missions. Bungie was also responsible for the myth series, so your claims that all they have is Halo is pure nonsense.
Gzus666
ok, myth? never heard of it, and i have been PC gaming about 19 years. youre not helping your case here. so far Bungie has 1 good SERIES, in the game world, more than 1, and none of those singles were considered winners by anyone. again, id love to see a game from them that is a hit that isnt Halo. still waiting
Myth was a series of RTSs made on both the PC and mac, there were three games in the series (the first 2 by bungie, the third one was made by Take Two after Bungie was bought by Microsoft). Here's some info about the series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_%28computer_game%29
[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]this started as the fact that bungie DOESNT MAKE ANY OTHER GAMES. they are an overrated developer cause they have 1 friggin hit. Blizzard and Epic destroy them to name a few, yet they rarely get mentioned as originators. meanwhile Bungie is touted as the greatest developers ever. Epic has made some of the greatest games in history, Jazz Jackrabbit, Jill of the Jungle, Doom, etc. Blizzard, need i say more? when Bungie makes more than 1 decent series, let me know.
DuDisNow
Did you just claim that Epic made Doom? That was ID software not Epic.
yea, i mixed them up with ID. it happens. Unreal tournement, better? ID is another fine developer anyway, commander keen anyone?
Bungie made Myth, Marathon, Oni, Gnop,Halo, etc. So stop bashing devs when you don't know what they've made.yeah its not bungie's fault that halo is so good it overshadows all of their other games
[QUOTE="Mstrchiefpwns"][QUOTE="Drizzt13"]Bethseda. Ruined a great series.
Seriously how is Bioware overrated. Most of thier games are AAA.
Slyprince
???
hardcore elder scrolls fans thought that Oblivion was casualified
I really hate to use the term 'overrated', everything can be 'overrated'. But for me I would be Square Enix, Bungie, and Blizzard. I love their games, going to get Final Fantasy XIII when it comes out (if I had a PS3 by then, if not I'll get it when I get a PS3 ); I will get Halo 3; and Star Craft 2.
While Final Fantasy 12 was great, It didn't seem as good as other RPGs, I had more fun with Disgaea 2 (NIS is very underrated). The Halogames are great fun and worthly of great scores, but they aren't the best FPS around, also Bungie needs to bring back Myth. I loved Warcraft 2, and found Star Craft to be a great RTS, but I never saw the hype behind it, becuase of Total Annihilation. To me Total Annihilation was the best RTS ever, and still kept that title, for years.
[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]this started as the fact that bungie DOESNT MAKE ANY OTHER GAMES. they are an overrated developer cause they have 1 friggin hit. Blizzard and Epic destroy them to name a few, yet they rarely get mentioned as originators. meanwhile Bungie is touted as the greatest developers ever. Epic has made some of the greatest games in history, Jazz Jackrabbit, Jill of the Jungle, Doom, etc. Blizzard, need i say more? when Bungie makes more than 1 decent series, let me know.
DuDisNow
Did you just claim that Epic made Doom? That was ID software not Epic.
yea, i mixed them up with ID. it happens. Unreal tournement, better? ID is another fine developer anyway, commander keen anyone?
Bungie made Myth, Marathon, Oni, Gnop,Halo, etc. So stop bashing devs when you don't know what they've made.notice how when people talk of great games, nothing Bungie ever made comes up? by great games, i mean games that everyone loved. did anyone say they hated doom, quake, commander keen, space quest, fallout, warcraft, diablo, etc.? i havent heard it, and anyone who says it now i promise is out of spite cause its the truth. Halo was their only series that is considered a hit. you people look up these games and act like they were great, amazing how no one else on the planet agrees.
notice how when people talk of great games, nothing Bungie ever made comes up? by great games, i mean games that everyone loved. did anyone say they hated doom, quake, commander keen, space quest, fallout, warcraft, diablo, etc.? i havent heard it, and anyone who says it now i promise is out of spite cause its the truth. Halo was their only series that is considered a hit. you people look up these games and act like they were great, amazing how no one else on the planet agrees.
Gzus666
The original Myth is one of Gamespot's greatest games of all time...
[QUOTE="Gzus666"]notice how when people talk of great games, nothing Bungie ever made comes up? by great games, i mean games that everyone loved. did anyone say they hated doom, quake, commander keen, space quest, fallout, warcraft, diablo, etc.? i havent heard it, and anyone who says it now i promise is out of spite cause its the truth. Halo was their only series that is considered a hit. you people look up these games and act like they were great, amazing how no one else on the planet agrees.
TyrantDragon55
The original Myth is one of Gamespot's greatest games of all time...
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/myth/index.html?tag=result;title;0
it would appear
1: they never rated it, nor has anyone on this site rated it
2: not even a picture of the game, obviously they loved it so
3: nothing about the game whatsoever
it seems to me they dont care about the game the way you seem to think they do.
[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]notice how when people talk of great games, nothing Bungie ever made comes up? by great games, i mean games that everyone loved. did anyone say they hated doom, quake, commander keen, space quest, fallout, warcraft, diablo, etc.? i havent heard it, and anyone who says it now i promise is out of spite cause its the truth. Halo was their only series that is considered a hit. you people look up these games and act like they were great, amazing how no one else on the planet agrees.
Gzus666
The original Myth is one of Gamespot's greatest games of all time...
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/myth/index.html?tag=result;title;0
it would appear
1: they never rated it, nor has anyone on this site rated it
2: not even a picture of the game, obviously they loved it so
3: nothing about the game whatsoever
it seems to me they dont care about the game the way you seem to think they do.
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-28.html
[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]notice how when people talk of great games, nothing Bungie ever made comes up? by great games, i mean games that everyone loved. did anyone say they hated doom, quake, commander keen, space quest, fallout, warcraft, diablo, etc.? i havent heard it, and anyone who says it now i promise is out of spite cause its the truth. Halo was their only series that is considered a hit. you people look up these games and act like they were great, amazing how no one else on the planet agrees.
TyrantDragon55
The original Myth is one of Gamespot's greatest games of all time...
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/myth/index.html?tag=result;title;0
it would appear
1: they never rated it, nor has anyone on this site rated it
2: not even a picture of the game, obviously they loved it so
3: nothing about the game whatsoever
it seems to me they dont care about the game the way you seem to think they do.
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-28.html
Here is the review of Myth: The Fallen Lords, and Here is Myth II: Soulblighter (my fave)
[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]notice how when people talk of great games, nothing Bungie ever made comes up? by great games, i mean games that everyone loved. did anyone say they hated doom, quake, commander keen, space quest, fallout, warcraft, diablo, etc.? i havent heard it, and anyone who says it now i promise is out of spite cause its the truth. Halo was their only series that is considered a hit. you people look up these games and act like they were great, amazing how no one else on the planet agrees.
TyrantDragon55
The original Myth is one of Gamespot's greatest games of all time...
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/myth/index.html?tag=result;title;0
it would appear
1: they never rated it, nor has anyone on this site rated it
2: not even a picture of the game, obviously they loved it so
3: nothing about the game whatsoever
it seems to me they dont care about the game the way you seem to think they do.
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-28.html
different game then.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/myththefallenlords/index.html?tag=result;title;7
for a greatest game ever, they gave it a 8.9. interesting.
i agree with a lot of the list, many "clasics"(stupid filter), that game might be good, never played it. of course they did say there were problems when first released that were patched, so i dont know on that.
[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Gzus666"]notice how when people talk of great games, nothing Bungie ever made comes up? by great games, i mean games that everyone loved. did anyone say they hated doom, quake, commander keen, space quest, fallout, warcraft, diablo, etc.? i havent heard it, and anyone who says it now i promise is out of spite cause its the truth. Halo was their only series that is considered a hit. you people look up these games and act like they were great, amazing how no one else on the planet agrees.
Gzus666
The original Myth is one of Gamespot's greatest games of all time...
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/myth/index.html?tag=result;title;0
it would appear
1: they never rated it, nor has anyone on this site rated it
2: not even a picture of the game, obviously they loved it so
3: nothing about the game whatsoever
it seems to me they dont care about the game the way you seem to think they do.
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-28.html
different game then.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/myththefallenlords/index.html?tag=result;title;7
for a greatest game ever, they gave it a 8.9. interesting.
i agree with a lot of the list, many "clasics"(stupid filter), that game might be good, never played it. of course they did say there were problems when first released that were patched, so i dont know on that.
Many of the greatest games ever scored AA (system shock 2 anyone?). As for the problems that were fixed with patches, half of the Half Life series' greatness comes from it's user created mods, does that make it any less of a great game?
Ubisoft. I hate almost every single game that they have developed themselves, seriously.Team ICO is the most underrated dev team.Trading_Zoner
Gotta go with Square Enix. I am F'N sick of all this Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Hey Squre Enix can we get something different? No I don't want remakes, no I don't want ports, no I don't want spinoffs of FF and DQ. Can you please make a new game or at least revive an old under used franchise? For god sakes you have more Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest coming out then Megaman, Mario and Sonic combined lol. Man how far you've fallen Square Enix. What was Square Enix's last AAA game not named Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest anyways.
(I'm prolly gonna get owned but who cares lol)
Gotta go with Square Enix. I am F'N sick of all this Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Hey Squre Enix can we get something different? No I don't want remakes, no I don't want ports, no I don't want spinoffs of FF and DQ. Can you please make a new game or at least revive an old under used franchise? For god sakes you have more Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest coming out then Megaman, Mario and Sonic combined lol. Man how far you've fallen Square Enix. What was Square Enix's last AAA game not named Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest anyways.
(I'm prolly gonna get owned but who cares lol)
Blackbond
No love for the Final Fantasy Tactics series?
Gotta go with Square Enix. I am F'N sick of all this Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Hey Squre Enix can we get something different? No I don't want remakes, no I don't want ports, no I don't want spinoffs of FF and DQ. Can you please make a new game or at least revive an old under used franchise? For god sakes you have more Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest coming out then Megaman, Mario and Sonic combined lol. Man how far you've fallen Square Enix. What was Square Enix's last AAA game not named Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest anyways.
(I'm prolly gonna get owned but who cares lol)
Blackbond
The thing that shocked me was Final Fantasy 13 being announced months before Final Fantasy 12 was even out. That's when you know they're bleedingthe seriesfor all it's worth.
[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Gotta go with Square Enix. I am F'N sick of all this Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Hey Squre Enix can we get something different? No I don't want remakes, no I don't want ports, no I don't want spinoffs of FF and DQ. Can you please make a new game or at least revive an old under used franchise? For god sakes you have more Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest coming out then Megaman, Mario and Sonic combined lol. Man how far you've fallen Square Enix. What was Square Enix's last AAA game not named Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest anyways.
(I'm prolly gonna get owned but who cares lol)
Technoweirdo
No love for the Final Fantasy Tactics series?
Yeah when can we get the second one instead of a port of the orignal on the PSP? Tactics is an actual worthy spinoff.
[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Gotta go with Square Enix. I am F'N sick of all this Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Hey Squre Enix can we get something different? No I don't want remakes, no I don't want ports, no I don't want spinoffs of FF and DQ. Can you please make a new game or at least revive an old under used franchise? For god sakes you have more Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest coming out then Megaman, Mario and Sonic combined lol. Man how far you've fallen Square Enix. What was Square Enix's last AAA game not named Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest anyways.
(I'm prolly gonna get owned but who cares lol)
TyrantDragon55
The thing that shocked me was Final Fantasy 13 being announced months before Final Fantasy 12 was even out. That's when you know they're bleedingthe seriesfor all it's worth.
The decline of JRPG's in my opinion is caused by Square Enix imo. So many talented devs and great games completely overlooked and unnoticed just because they don't sport a Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest in their title.
[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]Ubisoft. I hate almost every single game that they have developed themselves, seriously.BlackbondAnd because you hate them they are overrated? Get real man they are still putting out great games.
WTF?
Is this not an opinion thread?
I hate Ubisoft yes, therefor they are overrated.
I personally think they make crappy games.
And why did only respond to me? When people have said SE and Bioware and Blizzard? Why not respond to them?
and explain to me how any of those are major? thats kinda like the differences between doom 1 and 2, or quake 1 or 2. its the same game, with some tacked on crap and improvements. improvements are a given in a sequel. Gzus666*sigh* Some large changes I remember from the top of my head.
Hi-jack! Being able to 'hi-jack' vehicles in Halo 2 was a huge change and a very large leap from Halo. It totally altered the gameplay, everyone always remembered being ran over by the ghosts, now if you time it right you can take that ghost away from the opposing player and get some payback.
The rocket launcher gets a 'lock-on' feature. This was another one which changhed the gameplay drasticly; in Halo, when you were in a vehicle(except the Scorpian), you didn't really have to worry about a player if he/she had a rocket launcher. However, in Halo 2 -- you had too. Let's say in Halo on blodd gulch, someone gets your flag, hops in a ghost and he's gone. You would have to aim and perfectly lead the playerin the ghost with the rocket launcher and pray that you hit him so you can retrieve your flag back. But in Halo 2, all you had to do was lock on and let one rocket fly and that ghost is nothing but a pile of scrap metal.
Xbox Live. Yes, in Halo you could do XboxConnect, but that was crap. In Halo 2, and to this day, you have the best multiplayer experice that you can get on Xbox Live. No game out there is as customizable and has a good of a lobby system as in Halo 2. Adding Xbox Live to Halo made it a huge hit, with over 4 billion games games played online and millions of hours played. It was definitely a huge leap forward.
Multiple Characters in Halo 2. In multiplayer, and in single player. You can play as an Elite and as a Spartan. A large change from teh Halo universe. Normally you only saw the human side of the story, in Halo 2, you got a deep and complex lok into the Covenant side of the Halo universe.
Duel-Weild. In Halo 2, you had the abilty to 'duel-weild' weapons. This was a large leap from Halo since Halo 2 added some new weapons, Brute Plasma Rifle and the Sub Machine Gun, holding a gun in each hand was loads of fun. It also changed the gameplay. You could have different combos of guns, like a plasma pistol to remove the shield of an opponent and a SMG or a pistol to finish the opposing player off.
Metals and the 'Post-Carnage Lobby'. A detailed look how the game played out , who killed who, deaths, kills, ect. Let's say you killed an opponent by 'butting him with the end of your rifle'; thus, you will be a medal. Or if you snipe someone, you get a sniper medal. This was a cool new approach in Halo 2.
Press Y to view Friends. While in Xbox Live, Bungie had a cool feature which all you had to do was press Y and your friends list came up. You're probably like, so what? But this inspired Microsoft to put in the Xbox Live Guide button as Frankie(Bungie.net content Guy)said some time ago.
And because you hate them they are overrated? Get real man they are still putting out great games.[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]Ubisoft. I hate almost every single game that they have developed themselves, seriously.Trading_Zoner
WTF?
Is this not an opinion thread?
I hate Ubisoft yes, therefor they are overrated.
I personally think they make crappy games.
And why did only respond to me? When people have said SE and Bioware and Blizzard? Why not respond to them?
I responded to you because you type in red bold everyone can notice. Is this not the reason you type in bold red :roll:
Gotta go with Square Enix. I am F'N sick of all this Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Hey Squre Enix can we get something different? No I don't want remakes, no I don't want ports, no I don't want spinoffs of FF and DQ. Can you please make a new game or at least revive an old under used franchise? For god sakes you have more Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest coming out then Megaman, Mario and Sonic combined lol. Man how far you've fallen Square Enix. What was Square Enix's last AAA game not named Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest anyways.
(I'm prolly gonna get owned but who cares lol)
Blackbond
I would agree that SE milks FF and DQ, I wouldn't agree to the extent of what I highlighted.
I would probably pick SE too, maybe toss in Nippon Ichi (pissed me off recently), and Bethesda to top it all off. I love the games they make but I have issues with each (ranging from milking, to poor code structure leading to overly intensive software for what it really is, and complete lack of any graphical ability past 32bit graphics).
[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]And because you hate them they are overrated? Get real man they are still putting out great games.[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]Ubisoft. I hate almost every single game that they have developed themselves, seriously.Blackbond
WTF?
Is this not an opinion thread?
I hate Ubisoft yes, therefor they are overrated.
I personally think they make crappy games.
And why did only respond to me? When people have said SE and Bioware and Blizzard? Why not respond to them?
I responded to you because you type in red bold everyone can notice. Is this not the reason you type in bold red :roll:
I'm sorry you are offended by the color of my text...
Is it that big of a deal?
Get over it.
Retro. I love metroid prime 1 & 2 but as far as I know they are the only games of theirs. Metroid to 3D always seemed like it would happen so its not that big of a deal that they did it well.grapefruit21
True. I think Retro is over rated too.
Suda 51 and Silicon Knights. Both get too much blessings, and one of them talks too much. (SK)
I like the Darkness developers. Between Chronicles of Riddick and Darkness, they deliver solid games and still show me it's possible to give FPS games new ideas. And they dont talk smack or boast. Very humble, good, talenteddevelopers
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