[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

Well... i see that in the Gamespot Forums RROD is not a problem to any user:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24948509

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26151320

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26775296

And that retailers didn't warn anyone about the high % of RROD happening (and this was already way back in 2007):

Failure Rate: Xbox 360 High As 33% - Sony PS3 & Nintendo Wii Less Than 1%

Gamepro: 360 33% failure rate

RedruM_I

Great, links that show the 'unknown' Best Buy employees and someone at EB games, real solid evidence :roll: As far as we know they could be talking about the cleaning crews...

It certainly beats the "evidence" presented by people like you which amounts to smileys like :roll: and bad sarcasm

It certainly beats the "evidence" presented by people like you which amounts to smileys like :roll: and bad sarcasm

RedruM_I

Yes, 3 people are good enough to support any claim. Prove they are real or the links are invalid...

20% still seems like a reason for anyone whos smart to steer clear of

Some of those sources you use are not independant ones. They just pick-up the story from one source and repete it.

vaderhater

Like I said before show the truth about Sony ignoring their problems and it isn't good enough, but show 3 unknown people who swear they know everything and everyone takes it at face value. How about shoing absolute concrete evidence RROD is as bad as you believe before slamming it? I mean actual data and not stories of unknown ex - MS employees and an EB games associate.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

It certainly beats the "evidence" presented by people like you which amounts to smileys like :roll: and bad sarcasm

MizFitAwesome

Yes, 3 people are good enough to support any claim. Prove they are real or the links are invalid...

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

It certainly beats the "evidence" presented by people like you which amounts to smileys like :roll: and bad sarcasm

RedruM_I

Yes, 3 people are good enough to support any claim. Prove they are real or the links are invalid...

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Some of those sources you use are not independant ones. They just pick-up the story from one source and repete it.

MizFitAwesome

Like I said before show the truth about Sony ignoring their problems and it isn't good enough, but show 3 unknown people who swear they know everything and everyone takes it at face value. How about shoing absolute concrete evidence RROD is as bad as you believe before slamming it? I mean actual data and not stories of unknown ex - MS employees and an EB games associate.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Some of those sources you use are not independant ones. They just pick-up the story from one source and repete it.

MizFitAwesome

Like I said before show the truth about Sony ignoring their problems and it isn't good enough, but show 3 unknown people who swear they know everything and everyone takes it at face value. How about shoing absolute concrete evidence RROD is as bad as you believe before slamming it? I mean actual data and not stories of unknown ex - MS employees and an EB games associate.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Some of those sources you use are not independant ones. They just pick-up the story from one source and repete it.

RedruM_I

Like I said before show the truth about Sony ignoring their problems and it isn't good enough, but show 3 unknown people who swear they know everything and everyone takes it at face value. How about shoing absolute concrete evidence RROD is as bad as you believe before slamming it? I mean actual data and not stories of unknown ex - MS employees and an EB games associate.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Some of those sources you use are not independant ones. They just pick-up the story from one source and repete it.

RedruM_I

Like I said before show the truth about Sony ignoring their problems and it isn't good enough, but show 3 unknown people who swear they know everything and everyone takes it at face value. How about shoing absolute concrete evidence RROD is as bad as you believe before slamming it? I mean actual data and not stories of unknown ex - MS employees and an EB games associate.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Yes, 3 people are good enough to support any claim. Prove they are real or the links are invalid...

Trmpt

You can't, no poll will be perfect ever but is one of the best ways to make yourself an idea of how the big picture looks. That's why polls work with margin of errors and are almost never accurate. Still everybody uses polls to make important decisions and predictions, from companies, to governments, to institutions. A poll is a statistical tool that works to provide samples of a particular phenomenon, it's an approximation, it doesn't reflect reality but it at least approaches it.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Like I said before show the truth about Sony ignoring their problems and it isn't good enough, but show 3 unknown people who swear they know everything and everyone takes it at face value. How about shoing absolute concrete evidence RROD is as bad as you believe before slamming it? I mean actual data and not stories of unknown ex - MS employees and an EB games associate.

vaderhater

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]20% is still way to high, so basicly they fixed nothing.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] So you expect us to go with the opinions of a bunch of 360 fanboys on an internet forum to make up our minds on how reliable the 360 is? Sorry, but I'm not 5 years old anymore.RedruM_I

You can't, no poll will be perfect ever but is one of the best ways to make yourself an idea of how the big picture looks. That's why polls work with margin of errors and are almost never accurate. Still everybody uses polls to make important decisions and predictions, from companies, to governments, to institutions. A poll is a statistical tool that works to provide samples of a particular phenomenon, it's an approximation, it doesn't reflect reality but it at least approaches it.

20% failure rate is still pretty darn high and not even accurate. somewhere around 35% is...

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"] How do you know which console the person that is poled favors? Trmpt

You can't, no poll will be perfect ever but is one of the best ways to make yourself an idea of how the big picture looks. That's why polls work with margin of errors and are almost never accurate. Still everybody uses polls to make important decisions and predictions, from companies, to governments, to institutions. A poll is a statistical tool that works to provide samples of a particular phenomenon, it's an approximation, it doesn't reflect reality but it at least approaches it.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Prove to me it isn't. Use something more then a poll from game informer ok. ;)

Trmpt

Um if you make a claim its your job to provide the evidence.

How do you figure? I see no reason to believe the failure rate has gone down any.

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Um if you make a claim its your job to provide the evidence.

trakem

How do you figure? I see no reason to believe the failure rate has gone down any.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

Well... i see that in the Gamespot Forums RROD is not a problem to any user:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24948509

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26151320

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26775296

And that retailers didn't warn anyone about the high % of RROD happening (and this was already way back in 2007):

Failure Rate: Xbox 360 High As 33% - Sony PS3 & Nintendo Wii Less Than 1%

Gamepro: 360 33% failure rate

RedruM_I

Great, links that show the 'unknown' Best Buy employees and someone at EB games, real solid evidence :roll: As far as we know they could be talking about the cleaning crews...

It certainly beats the "evidence" presented by people like you which amounts to smileys like :roll: and bad sarcasm

Would be good if they showed us something to begin with...

[QUOTE="trakem"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"] The evidence that the GI pole supplied is irrelevant to anyone who buys a 360 NOW. Trmpt

How do you figure? I see no reason to believe the failure rate has gone down any.

Absolutely not. I think they were able to save some money by going to a smaller manufacturing process and thus not need as much metals/etc to produce some of the key components (including the CPU) which means that they can sell it at a lower price like they have.

Doesn't matter if failure rate is 0%, when a poll is made with so many biased people given the nature of this industry you're going to get inaccurate numbers. Let it be, let the fanboys think they've gained something. themyth01

Then why were the PS3's and Wii's numbers so much lower than the 360's. You certainly can't be implying that one fanboy faction is more biased than others are you?

Disclaimer: This post is not in agreement or disagreement of the GI poll.

For those of you living in the United Kingdom, check out the Sale of Goods Act. It will aid you greatly if your PS3 or 360 decide to go bust.

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

It's funny how cows still try to find a way to spin that number as reliable....

MizFitAwesome

Gosh, this reminds me of another company that did the same thing for 2 consecutive gens and was given a free pass for it. Want a clue as to the name of the company? Another cow, calling out MS and forgeting his beloved company doesn't have any qualms doing the same thing. If you can prove that the gamers in question actually owned 360's, you might have a point. Even the poll itself elluded to the fact all 5000 participants didn't own systems...

rrod was only in the first gen 360s. rest is a bunch of lies by people that dont even own a 360. why would ms fix your system for free for 3 years if they still make them faulty. the costs would be way over one billion

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"] Yea and its funny how lemmings think that RROD isn't as bad as people say it is. The data found was from a small group of gamers. They have more credibility than the TC, the only reason you might think otherwise is because your a fanboy yourself. Do you expect them to have gone to everyone in the whole planet and see if they have had RROD? Saying anything other than no doesn't work in your favour. I said that those numbers aren't accurate, they aren't reliable. But they are more reliable than PS3_3DO! And YOU! The real failure rate, the rate i think it is at least, is probably around...20%. Which is freaking bad if i don't say so myself. It's disgusting. You lemmings should just admit that Microsoft screwed up with the hardware and hope that they don't do so again next gen, maybe then it can be a great console. It has the games, the online but not the reliability. It still hasn't been fixed as well. They havn't reported a failure rate as close to the PS3's or the Wii's yet, so it's still a bad console. mgs_freak91

Gosh, this reminds me of another company that did the same thing for 2 consecutive gens and was given a free pass for it. Want a clue as to the name of the company? Another cow, calling out MS and forgeting his beloved company doesn't have any qualms doing the same thing. If you can prove that the gamers in question actually owned 360's, you might have a point. Even the poll itself elluded to the fact all 5000 participants didn't own systems...

No one knows exactly the failure rate on RROD, let along which chipset.

Bottom line: it's persistent enough of a problem to result in lawsuits against M$ and the extension of the warranty on 360s. I honestly don't understand how people can defend for a system's abnormally high failure rate and be okay with it.

man, why does system wars keep getting warped back to 2007?

clone01

Because they're running out of things to argue about.

No one knows exactly the failure rate on RROD, let along which chipset.

Bottom line: it's persistent enough of a problem to result in lawsuits against M$ and the extension of the warranty on 360s. I honestly don't understand how people can defend for a system's abnormally high failure rate and be okay with it.

Gxgear

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Gosh, this reminds me of another company that did the same thing for 2 consecutive gens and was given a free pass for it. Want a clue as to the name of the company? Another cow, calling out MS and forgeting his beloved company doesn't have any qualms doing the same thing. If you can prove that the gamers in question actually owned 360's, you might have a point. Even the poll itself elluded to the fact all 5000 participants didn't own systems...

Trmpt

Do you care about RROD? No you don't unless you get it! Do you care about human rights? The chances are so nearly even that it doesn't matter UNLESS it concerns you. The whole world is full of people like that, if you do care about human rights, then thats good - but you should not expect everyone, at least not more than 3/4 of the popullation to care about it! If you don't like the way the world works then don't comment. Sony, Microsoft don't care about their customers, only the money that they earn from us.

America doesn't care about the whole world, they care about themselves and also giving themselves a good image. That is the way of the world, the only reason that no one calls out America and says "Your greedy, and you don't care about other countries" is because they contribute to the world economy, just like every other country then need each other to survive. You hear heaps of lemmings go on about "oh well i havn't had RROD, so the whole RROD problem is just a rumour". They don't care. Blind fanboys don't see the negatives about there console. Hell I'm gonna bet that if you were a lemming then you wouldn't care about what Microsoft has done, if they are helping people then its good, yet you would care when it affects you. You get mad at people over doing something and yet you probably go through your life at some point screwing someone else up. You getting promoting screws someone elses chances, yet you don't think about it - you got the position, you moved up. Yet you will be mad at the person that took your position whether it be a lot or a little. It's human though and action. You can't change that. Everyone is flawed.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

man, why does system wars keep getting warped back to 2007?

caseystryker

Because they're running out of things to argue about.

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="mgs_freak91"] It's the way the world works mate. No one cared about any problems the PS2 had, especially if they didn't get any problems...... mgs_freak91

Do you care about RROD? No you don't unless you get it! Do you care about human rights? The chances are so nearly even that it doesn't matter UNLESS it concerns you. The whole world is full of people like that, if you do care about human rights, then thats good - but you should not expect everyone, at least not more than 3/4 of the popullation to care about it! If you don't like the way the world works then don't comment. Sony, Microsoft don't care about their customers, only the money that they earn from us.

America doesn't care about the whole world, they care about themselves and also giving themselves a good image. That is the way of the world, the only reason that no one calls out America and says "Your greedy, and you don't care about other countries" is because they contribute to the world economy, just like every other country then need each other to survive. You hear heaps of lemmings go on about "oh well i havn't had RROD, so the whole RROD problem is just a rumour". They don't care. Blind fanboys don't see the negatives about there console. Hell I'm gonna bet that if you were a lemming then you wouldn't care about what Microsoft has done, if they are helping people then its good, yet you would care when it affects you. You get mad at people over doing something and yet you probably go through your life at some point screwing someone else up. You getting promoting screws someone elses chances, yet you don't think about it - you got the position, you moved up. Yet you will be mad at the person that took your position whether it be a lot or a little. It's human though and action. You can't change that. Everyone is flawed.

I dont have to pay to get it fixed so..........id be really pissed if I had a PS3 go all YLOD on me and I had to shell out some cash.

Once again there you go with the hypocrisy.....obviously you dont like the way the world works so why are you even posting?

And as for the third part I bolded..............I dont even know where to start, do you have any idea how much humanitarian aid America gives to other countries?

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"] I stopped reading right there. Thats hypocrisy.Trmpt

Do you care about RROD? No you don't unless you get it! Do you care about human rights? The chances are so nearly even that it doesn't matter UNLESS it concerns you. The whole world is full of people like that, if you do care about human rights, then thats good - but you should not expect everyone, at least not more than 3/4 of the popullation to care about it! If you don't like the way the world works then don't comment. Sony, Microsoft don't care about their customers, only the money that they earn from us.

America doesn't care about the whole world, they care about themselves and also giving themselves a good image. That is the way of the world, the only reason that no one calls out America and says "Your greedy, and you don't care about other countries" is because they contribute to the world economy, just like every other country then need each other to survive. You hear heaps of lemmings go on about "oh well i havn't had RROD, so the whole RROD problem is just a rumour". They don't care. Blind fanboys don't see the negatives about there console. Hell I'm gonna bet that if you were a lemming then you wouldn't care about what Microsoft has done, if they are helping people then its good, yet you would care when it affects you. You get mad at people over doing something and yet you probably go through your life at some point screwing someone else up. You getting promoting screws someone elses chances, yet you don't think about it - you got the position, you moved up. Yet you will be mad at the person that took your position whether it be a lot or a little. It's human though and action. You can't change that. Everyone is flawed.

I dont have to pay to get it fixed so..........id be really pissed if I had a PS3 go all YLOD on me and I had to shell out some cash.

Once again there you go with the hypocrisy.....obviously you dont like the way the world works so why are you even posting?

And as for the third part I bolded..............I dont even know where to start, do you have any idea how much humanitarian aid America gives to other countries?

The newest 360s using the jasper chipset has only a 20% or less rate of RROD. Most of the people that complain about the RROD are using the old chipsets not the jasper one. Now if someone saysthey have a jasper one that RROD on them most likley they cause it by user error by not taking care of it.

PS3_3DO

It sound like you are trying to convince yourself. Even if it was only 20% that is still huge. That is 200,000 broken for every million sold.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The newest 360s using the jasper chipset has only a 20% or less rate of RROD. Most of the people that complain about the RROD are using the old chipsets not the jasper one. Now if someone saysthey have a jasper one that RROD on them most likley they cause it by user error by not taking care of it.

skektek

It sound like you are trying to convince yourself. Even if it was only 20% that is still huge. That is 200,000 broken for every million sold.

not to mention that he offers no evidence.