The Nintendo 3DS may be in trouble for 2 major reasons, high price and.........

In comparison to the NGP. Its weak. The battery is as bad if not worse than Sony's handheld and it isn't as powerful. It should last twice as long at least. Since Sony won't be launching the NGP at over $400, $349 is starting to seem like the high guess, its very competitively priced. If Sony launch at $300 its easily going to get my money. The 3DS has great games coming, but since the DS launched as cheaply as it did, and the 3DS upgraded proportionally with the times, it should not be as much as it is. They have to be making at least $100 profits on each sold.

The price is huge, and $250 in the US is not going to spell out as nicely with the MUCH more advanced system launching at $50 to $100 more. The same thing happened with the PSP and the DS. The DS crushed it. But this time is different. The DS launched at $150. The PSP launched at $250. Neither are clearly affordable over the other. $250-$350, that's a lot of money. The price is a shorter stretch than $150-$250. The features, connectivity options to the PS3, social options like facebook, as long as an app store is included, Sony could absolutely emerge as the winner of this system war. Its going to be close. But it all depends on pricing. If sony puts theirs at $400, Nintendo won. If they price it at $300, its going to be close. $250, they'd have to do something stupid not to beat the 3DS.

Also, 1 stick on the 3DS. Bad move. It killed the PSP. I read an article explaining that the NGP doesn't have a niche. Devs aren't building games around a unique interface for that interface. I thought it made sense. The addition of one stick very much opens up an issue for Nintendo. Devs put it with the Dpad, so either they do syphon filter, and make abxy the camera, or come up with wonky ways to make the system work. Its a bad idea. Like the NGP adding the touchscreen, pad, sixaxis (like sixaxis on PS3). The difference is if the touchscreen opens up the android market, and the touchpad expands on that, its hugely beneficial.

im not going to buy trhis straight up because othe battery life and that you can't play it while its charging. they are the two losing factors for me. and anyway they will release a 3ds lite probably anyway

[QUOTE="NintendoNite"] this video convinced me to get the 3DS on launch. And yes, the game is a launch titlesoapandbubbles

this video convinced me to get the 3DS on launch. And yes, the game is a launch titleNintendoNite

Good thing the touch screen works as 2nd stick.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="NintendoNite"] [QUOTE="NintendoNite"] this video convinced me to get the 3DS on launch. And yes, the game is a launch title93BlackHawk93

Good thing the touch screen works as 2nd stick.

The touch screen isnt really a good subsitute for a second analog though because you thumb doesnt make a good stylus pen and while using a stylis pen it is unconfortable to use the other buttons. A second analog I think would be the best for a handheld shooter

The 3DS will be stuck in mediocrity. The 3D effect is nothing more than a gimmick. The 3D effect will also kill off a huge potential market of the 3DS-- children. Parents are going to be spooked about the 3D warnings and will not buy it for their kids. DS was hugely popular with children. Teenagers won't want anything to do with the 3DS. The NGP will recieve all the love from the teenage and hardcore gaming crowd. Those that don't want the NGP will want the latest Ipod. The 3DS will seen as an antiquated PSP with gimmick 3D effects.n Is the 3DS even more powerful than the PSP?

The casual gaming market for handholds will shift to the Ipod, and the hardcore crowd will shift to the NGP. Families will be afraid to buy 3DS due to the eye warnings, which will pick up major press at release time.

Well, we'll all know a year or two from now. People have bought pet rocks and analysts thought the wii would fail. So you can't trust analysts or people.

im not going to buy trhis straight up because othe battery life and that you can't play it while its charging. they are the two losing factors for me. and anyway they will release a 3ds lite probably anyway

Velocity439

Who said you can't play while charging? How do you think the cradle get's the power to charge the 3DS? It comes with a charger and you connect the charger to the cradle. You don't need to use the cradle if you don't want to and you can just use the charger and hook it up straight to the 3DS. As for the battery life it's not that big of a deal for me anyways. I don't play my HH for more than 3 hours anyways. Except for some some games like Pokemon and Golden Sun Dark Dawn. I played those for more than 3 hours but I played it with the charger hooked up.

It's Sony who will have to compete against the mp3 players and cell phones. Moms don't care about gfx and cross-platform multiplayer. They want a good handheld with fun games for kids, that has backwards compatibility with their old games.

Also, female gamers make up a huge share of the DS user base. Are they really the type of people looking to buy a $350 mini-PS3, or a $400 Droid for the latest in retro/emu support?

Talk about nifty $1 and $5 games for iPhone/iPod, or portable PS3 games all you want folks. Once the general public gets ahold of a 3D Zelda or Mario Galaxy game they're gonna go bananas. The 3D camera and augmented reality games will be a big hit too.

There's something for everyone, for sure. I just don't think Nintendo is "screwed" or anything like that. They suck for the battery life and the price, though.

Well I'm not stating anything, but in the NGP conference they said that it has the largest battery life ever on a portable. With that jumbo size maybe it is kind of credible.

It's Sony who will have to compete against the mp3 players and cell phones. Moms don't care about gfx and cross-platform multiplayer. They want a good handheld with fun games for kids, that has backwards compatibility with their old games.

Also, female gamers make up a huge share of the DS user base. Are they really the type of people looking to buy a $350 mini-PS3, or a $400 Droid for the latest in retro/emu support?

Talk about nifty $1 and $5 games for iPhone/iPod, or portable PS3 games all you want folks. Once the general public gets ahold of a 3D Zelda or Mario Galaxy game they're gonna go bananas. The 3D camera and augmented reality games will be a big hit too.

There's something for ev

eryone, for sure. I just don't think Nintendo is "screwed" or anything like that. They suck for the battery life and the price, though.

gamecubepad

Moms will be hesitant to buy the 3DS for their developing kids. Nintendo's warning assure that.

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It's Sony who will have to compete against the mp3 players and cell phones. Moms don't care about gfx and cross-platform multiplayer. They want a good handheld with fun games for kids, that has backwards compatibility with their old games.

Also, female gamers make up a huge share of the DS user base. Are they really the type of people looking to buy a $350 mini-PS3, or a $400 Droid for the latest in retro/emu support?

Talk about nifty $1 and $5 games for iPhone/iPod, or portable PS3 games all you want folks. Once the general public gets ahold of a 3D Zelda or Mario Galaxy game they're gonna go bananas. The 3D camera and augmented reality games will be a big hit too.

There's something for ev

eryone, for sure. I just don't think Nintendo is "screwed" or anything like that. They suck for the battery life and the price, though.

GojiMaster

Moms will be hesitant to buy the 3DS for their developing kids. Nintendo's warning assure that.

Moms will be hesitant to buy the 3DS for their developing kids. Nintendo's warning assure that.

GojiMaster

Nah, Ellen/Oprah/Dr. Oz will just have some doctor come on the show and say it doesn't mess with your eyes. There's a lockout too.

I'm hesitant to buy either at lauch. I'm fine with my PSP and phone for a while.

The 3DS will be stuck in mediocrity. The 3D effect is nothing more than a gimmick. The 3D effect will also kill off a huge potential market of the 3DS-- children. Parents are going to be spooked about the 3D warnings and will not buy it for their kids. DS was hugely popular with children. Teenagers won't want anything to do with the 3DS. The NGP will recieve all the love from the teenage and hardcore gaming crowd. Those that don't want the NGP will want the latest Ipod. The 3DS will seen as an antiquated PSP with gimmick 3D effects.n Is the 3DS even more powerful than the PSP?

The casual gaming market for handholds will shift to the Ipod, and the hardcore crowd will shift to the NGP. Families will be afraid to buy 3DS due to the eye warnings, which will pick up major press at release time.

GojiMaster

Still getting the 3ds and i'm not planning on using the 3d thing.johny300

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no man, its a nintendo handheld. they always manage to sell alot. stamp a nintendo logo on dirty diapers and people will buy it.

bowser3

Theres a reason why most gamers prefer the DS over the PSP ya know? *cough*games*cough*

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

Oh dear, people please look up the details from Nintendo about battery life

With turning 3D off, turning WiFi off, putting brightness down to lower settings, and turning on power save mode, you could get up to 8-10 hours on 3DS games, even more with DS games

If you think the price is high, wait until the NGP is priced woah that's gonna be bad

runbleduck

They could drop the price if necesary, but is the battery life shorter than the PSP2's?
Also it is mentioned on SW that the PSP2 is sealed? If so, the 3DS wins out in terms of battery..

3DS should be priced at half of what the NGP is priced at. So if the NGP is $399, 3DS should be $199 or less.

[QUOTE="GojiMaster"]

The 3DS will be stuck in mediocrity. The 3D effect is nothing more than a gimmick. The 3D effect will also kill off a huge potential market of the 3DS-- children. Parents are going to be spooked about the 3D warnings and will not buy it for their kids. DS was hugely popular with children. Teenagers won't want anything to do with the 3DS. The NGP will recieve all the love from the teenage and hardcore gaming crowd. Those that don't want the NGP will want the latest Ipod. The 3DS will seen as an antiquated PSP with gimmick 3D effects.n Is the 3DS even more powerful than the PSP?

The casual gaming market for handholds will shift to the Ipod, and the hardcore crowd will shift to the NGP. Families will be afraid to buy 3DS due to the eye warnings, which will pick up major press at release time.

BreakTheseLinks

Sony fanboys complained about wii/ds:

Sixaxis - "Its better than the wiimote" 2 years later no devs use it

Move - "Its 1-1 real time movement!" completely copied the wii lol

PSP - "Graphics are awesome! it will sell more than the ds" the ds broke records and passed the largest selling gaming device of all time (ps2)

PSP2 - "It has touchscreen, two cameras, flash memory card and its next gen!" DSi had it all those features

Sony fanboys complained about wii/ds:

Sixaxis - "Its better than the wiimote" 2 years later no devs use it

Move - "Its 1-1 real time movement!" completely copied the wii lol

PSP - "Graphics are awesome! it will sell more than the ds" the ds broke records and passed the largest selling gaming device of all time (ps2)

PSP2 - "It has touchscreen, two cameras, flash memory card and its next gen!" DSi had it all those features

flipdc5

Nintendo fanboys complained about psp

graphics - " handhelds dont need good graphics and good graphics doesnt mean good games" 3DS has majorly improved graphics

games - "all the games are just wannabe console ports" 3DS linup includes mostly N64 ports and other console games

battery - "the battery sucks it only lasts like 5 hours lol" 3DS battery lasts about 5 hours.

low battery life. I think $200 would've been the sweet spot. I know it would've sold like hot cakes at that price but $250 is stretching it a bit. If they included a game then things would be better. I have doubts that people will be coming in droves to spend $250 on this thing when a lot of people already own the regular DS and DS XL and really there are almost no games for the 3DS launch.

Now add to that the poor battery life. The 3D effect may be super cool(have yet to try it) but it's not cool to run out of battery in 2 to 3 hours. That's really lame. And I know you get 8 hours if you shut off the 3D but then what is the point of this device anyway?

alexfla

Both of those are valid concerns.

It'll do just fine... but I think this time around the PSP2 may actually give it a run for its money, especially if Sony prices it competitively (i.e. offers a feature lite pack for the same price, and the full (3G, etc.) version for $300-350). If the PSP2 brings the features and the games, they might actually have a chance at matching Nintendo's momentum. Sure, it won't have the massive brand recognition, but it might do well commercially for being a better combination of portable gaming machine and portable media device (most smart phones these days lack the tactile controls many gamers like myself enjoy... along with more substantial games with meatier content).

I think the 3D features will end up just like the touch pad did on the DS. A novel, yet gimmicky feature that adds little to most games and gets tacked onto everything in the beginning whether it works or not.

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[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] With only 1 stick it looks like a pain to play...good luck with that. Jolt_counter119

Good thing the touch screen works as 2nd stick.

The touch screen isnt really a good subsitute for a second analog though because you thumb doesnt make a good stylus pen and while using a stylis pen it is unconfortable to use the other buttons. A second analog I think would be the best for a handheld shooter

The proper critism of the 3DS would be that it's not good for left handed people, not that it is not good for shooters (because it destroyed the PSP in that regard and can hold it's own with the PSP2).

[QUOTE="flipdc5"]Sony fanboys complained about wii/ds:

Sixaxis - "Its better than the wiimote" 2 years later no devs use it

Move - "Its 1-1 real time movement!" completely copied the wii lol

PSP - "Graphics are awesome! it will sell more than the ds" the ds broke records and passed the largest selling gaming device of all time (ps2)

PSP2 - "It has touchscreen, two cameras, flash memory card and its next gen!" DSi had it all those features

Jolt_counter119

Nintendo fanboys complained about psp

graphics - " handhelds dont need good graphics and good graphics doesnt mean good games" 3DS has majorly improved graphics

games - "all the games are just wannabe console ports" 3DS linup includes mostly N64 ports and other console games

battery - "the battery sucks it only lasts like 5 hours lol" 3DS battery lasts about 5 hours.

Yet the graphics are still just a bonus to the gameplay.

Yet the biggest games for the 3DS are not ports, like Kid Icarus, Resident Evil, Time Travelers, Pilotwings, Layton vs. Ace Attorney, and more.

And yet the NGP also has similiar battery life.

Irony has invaded the Sheep establishment, but it doesn't ruin it in the least.

The touch screen is faster, more accurate than an analog stick for aiming, and you don't need to use other buttons because the commands are already in the touch screen. Willy105

Is the price of the 3DS below the actual manufacturing value or over?XenogearsMaster

I got excited for the 3DS and pre-ordered it on Amazon. Then the PSP2 details came out and i canceled my 3DS pre-order immediately. If i am going to spend time playing a handheld, i want to be comfortable. The DS always gave me hand cramps with the awkward way you had to hold it for many games. Plus hopefully the battery life on the PSP2 will be much better than the 3DS because of the OLED display which is considerably less power hungry than lcd displays. Price is a small issue, but i would rather pay more for a better quality experience.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]The touch screen is faster, more accurate than an analog stick for aiming, and you don't need to use other buttons because the commands are already in the touch screen. foxhound_fox

Not to mention the lack of tactile feedback from a touchscreen. If no buttons or analogs were so great then the thing would be just a pair of screens with no buttons or sticks.

price and battery life - two important advantages that nintendo heralded for generation after generation of handhelds

both now at risk with the 3DS

i'm not sure about this one, nintendo.

great job tc. the same problems that will plague the psp2. great point there. except that 3ds will have original/innovative titles while psp2 will have ps3 ports.Sonicplys

Known 3DS games: Zelda a N64 port, Star Fox a N64 port, Resident evil a prequal (or sequal?) to the consoles game, Mario kart the same game re-released over and over again, DOA a fighting game that looks just like the console versions, Street fighter 4 a port of the console version, Paper mario a sequal looking game to the console versions and finally an original game Kid Icarus that is mainly an on rails shooter.

It'll do just fine... but I think this time around the PSP2 may actually give it a run for its money, especially if Sony prices it competitively (i.e. offers a feature lite pack for the same price, and the full (3G, etc.) version for $300-350). If the PSP2 brings the features and the games, they might actually have a chance at matching Nintendo's momentum. Sure, it won't have the massive brand recognition, but it might do well commercially for being a better combination of portable gaming machine and portable media device (most smart phones these days lack the tactile controls many gamers like myself enjoy... along with more substantial games with meatier content).

I think the 3D features will end up just like the touch pad did on the DS. A novel, yet gimmicky feature that adds little to most games and gets tacked onto everything in the beginning whether it works or not.

foxhound_fox

You can't tack it on when it can be turned completely off at will.

[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]great job tc. the same problems that will plague the psp2. great point there. except that 3ds will have original/innovative titles while psp2 will have ps3 ports.Jolt_counter119

Known 3DS games: Zelda a N64 port, Star Fox a N64 port, Resident evil a prequal (or sequal?) to the consoles game, Mario kart the same game re-released over and over again, DOA a fighting game that looks just like the console versions, Street fighter 4 a port of the console version, Paper mario a sequal looking game to the console versions and finally an original game Kid Icarus that is mainly an on rails shooter.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]great job tc. the same problems that will plague the psp2. great point there. except that 3ds will have original/innovative titles while psp2 will have ps3 ports.Nintendo_Ownes7

Known 3DS games: Zelda a N64 port, Star Fox a N64 port, Resident evil a prequal (or sequal?) to the consoles game, Mario kart the same game re-released over and over again, DOA a fighting game that looks just like the console versions, Street fighter 4 a port of the console version, Paper mario a sequal looking game to the console versions and finally an original game Kid Icarus that is mainly an on rails shooter.

I know not every game is going to be a port or a console franchise game but the only games know for the NGP are Uncharted, Resistance, and Killzone, and other non console games such as little deviants so I dont know why everyone is saying the NGP is only ports when The 3ds has a LOT of ports also.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Known 3DS games: Zelda a N64 port, Star Fox a N64 port, Resident evil a prequal (or sequal?) to the consoles game, Mario kart the same game re-released over and over again, DOA a fighting game that looks just like the console versions, Street fighter 4 a port of the console version, Paper mario a sequal looking game to the console versions and finally an original game Kid Icarus that is mainly an on rails shooter.

Jolt_counter119

I know not every game is going to be a port or a console franchise game but the only games know for the NGP are Uncharted, Resistance, and Killzone, and other non console games such as little deviants so I dont know why everyone is saying the NGP is only ports when The 3ds has a LOT of ports also.

I'm getting it launch day and I'm sure the hype train will take millions of DS owners along with it. $300 would've been terrible. $250 is alright.

I highly doubt the NGP will be cheaper with the hardware they're trying to needlessly shove in it. They said it would be affordable, but then clarified "affordable" as meaning not $600. I predict $300, minimum.

[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]great job tc. the same problems that will plague the psp2. great point there. except that 3ds will have original/innovative titles while psp2 will have ps3 ports.Jolt_counter119

Known 3DS games: Zelda a N64 port, Star Fox a N64 port, Resident evil a prequal (or sequal?) to the consoles game, Mario kart the same game re-released over and over again, DOA a fighting game that looks just like the console versions, Street fighter 4 a port of the console version, Paper mario a sequal looking game to the console versions and finally an original game Kid Icarus that is mainly an on rails shooter.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]great job tc. the same problems that will plague the psp2. great point there. except that 3ds will have original/innovative titles while psp2 will have ps3 ports.oldkingallant

Known 3DS games: Zelda a N64 port, Star Fox a N64 port, Resident evil a prequal (or sequal?) to the consoles game, Mario kart the same game re-released over and over again, DOA a fighting game that looks just like the console versions, Street fighter 4 a port of the console version, Paper mario a sequal looking game to the console versions and finally an original game Kid Icarus that is mainly an on rails shooter.

Exactly so why are people judging the NGP lineup so harshly. Even though they havent shown a real lineup.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Known 3DS games: Zelda a N64 port, Star Fox a N64 port, Resident evil a prequal (or sequal?) to the consoles game, Mario kart the same game re-released over and over again, DOA a fighting game that looks just like the console versions, Street fighter 4 a port of the console version, Paper mario a sequal looking game to the console versions and finally an original game Kid Icarus that is mainly an on rails shooter.

Jolt_counter119

I know not every game is going to be a port or a console franchise game but the only games know for the NGP are Uncharted, Resistance, and Killzone, and other non console games such as little deviants so I dont know why everyone is saying the NGP is only ports when The 3ds has a LOT of ports also.