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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] You can stop pretending Nintendo is only focusing on games. I believe Reggie even said that they were an entertainment company.MFDOOM1983"Pretending?" Game development is still their main focus. It's better to focus on stuff like online. Doing something like DVD player support isn't important in a game console.Lol You act as if acquiring the playback license for dvd and/or blu-ray would take up a large amount time and detract from game development. Even though the people designing the console itself and games are two separate entities. Since they're attempting to give off this illusion that wii-u is an all-in-one box, they might as well go in 100 % instead of half-assing it
exactly. dude will defend anything nintendo, no matter what. it's ridiculous...
Why does it matter that much? Isn't the point of video game consoles is being able to play GAMES?[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]
still no dvd playback? what's nintendo's deal with this? it's ridiculous...
lazerface216
uhhhh, it's a nice extra that's takes little effort to implement. sure, the point of consoles is to play games but consoles have become more than that, they've become entertainment systems. hell, the wii u's got FB, hulu and netflix but not dvd playback? lol.
Never mind the fact that DVD player support would give them an even bigger loss that they are already going to suffer when this releases? There's already so many machines with DVD player support out there that there also wouldn't be a point. Perhaps it meant something when the PS2 released (something I don't use with mine), but not so much now."Pretending?" Game development is still their main focus.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]
[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] You can stop pretending Nintendo is only focusing on games. I believe Reggie even said that they were an entertainment company.lazerface216
Doing something like DVD player support isn't important in a game console. It's better that Nintendo focuses on online capabilities, rather than a freaking DVD Player.
game development is every console's main focus, what's your point? hulu isn't important in a game console yet nintendo implemented it....
Don't let the hypocrite under you skin. The sheep here were always saying that they only supported nintendo because they focused solely on games. Fast forward to today and they're still touting that horn even though nintendo has been putting a decent amount of focus on TVII and other non gaming related features.Lol You act as if acquiring the playback license for dvd and/or blu-ray would take up a large amount time and detract from game development. Even though the people designing the console itself and games are two separate entities. Since they're attempting to give off this illusion that wii-u is an all-in-one box, they might as well go in 100 % instead of half-assing it[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] "Pretending?" Game development is still their main focus. It's better to focus on stuff like online. Doing something like DVD player support isn't important in a game console.lazerface216
exactly. dude will defend anything nintendo, no matter what. it's ridiculous...
Well, he does call himself nintendoboy.Lol You act as if acquiring the playback license for dvd and/or blu-ray would take up a large amount time and detract from game development. Even though the people designing the console itself and games are two separate entities. Since they're attempting to give off this illusion that wii-u is an all-in-one box, they might as well go in 100 % instead of half-assing it[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] "Pretending?" Game development is still their main focus. It's better to focus on stuff like online. Doing something like DVD player support isn't important in a game console.lazerface216
exactly. dude will defend anything nintendo, no matter what. it's ridiculous...
I don't. I've criticized them for a bad budget line-up with the Wii (compared to N64 and GameCube. Seriously, it's so bad, the most recent thing Nintendo put in about a year was a FREAKING GameCube port: Pikmin 2), and I'm ready to criticize them for choosing to appeal to this core audience (because that is working out SO WELL *sarcasm*).I also wasn't too fond of region locking the 3DS (outside of most regular DS games).
I have 2 Deluxe versions pre-ordered. One fromy my local Gamestop and one from Toys R Us online. I fully expect one of them to screw me over, so that's why I have 2 secured.
I'm super excited though for this system. The game selection right now is a little weak for my tatses outside 1-2 games, but the prospects of Pikmin 2, Wonderful 101, and others has me very giddy.
[QUOTE="lazerface216"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Why does it matter that much? Isn't the point of video game consoles is being able to play GAMES?nintendoboy16
uhhhh, it's a nice extra that's takes little effort to implement. sure, the point of consoles is to play games but consoles have become more than that, they've become entertainment systems. hell, the wii u's got FB, hulu and netflix but not dvd playback? lol.
Never mind the fact that DVD player support would give them an even bigger loss that they are already going to suffer when this releases? There's already so many machines with DVD player support out there that there also wouldn't be a point. Perhaps it meant something when the PS2 released (something I don't use with mine), but not so much now.If you could get rid of your cable/dish box, dvr, bluray/dvd player, and whatever else you might have below your tv, and replace it all with just one machine, you don't think that'd be cool?
Never mind the fact that DVD player support would give them an even bigger loss that they are already going to suffer when this releases? There's already so many machines with DVD player support out there that there also wouldn't be a point. Perhaps it meant something when the PS2 released (something I don't use with mine), but not so much now.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]
uhhhh, it's a nice extra that's takes little effort to implement. sure, the point of consoles is to play games but consoles have become more than that, they've become entertainment systems. hell, the wii u's got FB, hulu and netflix but not dvd playback? lol.
Ly_the_Fairy
If you could get rid of your cable/dish box, dvr, bluray/dvd player, and whatever else you might have below your tv, and replace it all with just one machine, you don't think that'd be cool?
But the few dollars per machine it would cost to license the tech would surely bankrupt the company. Who can argue against such sound thinking.Never mind the fact that DVD player support would give them an even bigger loss that they are already going to suffer when this releases? There's already so many machines with DVD player support out there that there also wouldn't be a point. Perhaps it meant something when the PS2 released (something I don't use with mine), but not so much now.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]
uhhhh, it's a nice extra that's takes little effort to implement. sure, the point of consoles is to play games but consoles have become more than that, they've become entertainment systems. hell, the wii u's got FB, hulu and netflix but not dvd playback? lol.
Ly_the_Fairy
If you could get rid of your cable/dish box, dvr, bluray/dvd player, and whatever else you might have below your tv, and replace it all with just one machine, you don't think that'd be cool?
Having too many options for ONE thing sounds like a clusterf*** waiting to happen.[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Never mind the fact that DVD player support would give them an even bigger loss that they are already going to suffer when this releases? There's already so many machines with DVD player support out there that there also wouldn't be a point. Perhaps it meant something when the PS2 released (something I don't use with mine), but not so much now.nintendoboy16
If you could get rid of your cable/dish box, dvr, bluray/dvd player, and whatever else you might have below your tv, and replace it all with just one machine, you don't think that'd be cool?
Having too many options for ONE thing sounds like a clusterf*** waiting to happen.the ps3 and 360 both do it and it's fine. adding ONE more feature isn't turning anything into a "clusterf*ck".
[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Never mind the fact that DVD player support would give them an even bigger loss that they are already going to suffer when this releases? There's already so many machines with DVD player support out there that there also wouldn't be a point. Perhaps it meant something when the PS2 released (something I don't use with mine), but not so much now.nintendoboy16
If you could get rid of your cable/dish box, dvr, bluray/dvd player, and whatever else you might have below your tv, and replace it all with just one machine, you don't think that'd be cool?
Having too many options for ONE thing sounds like a clusterf*** waiting to happen.Yah, just like smartphones, and PCs. Both are pretty hard to use for the average consumer because you can do thousands of things on each of them.
I can only imagine the difficulty in using the Wii U if it could not only do games, but also three other things.
Having too many options for ONE thing sounds like a clusterf*** waiting to happen.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]
If you could get rid of your cable/dish box, dvr, bluray/dvd player, and whatever else you might have below your tv, and replace it all with just one machine, you don't think that'd be cool?
Ly_the_Fairy
Yah, just like smartphones, and PCs. Both are pretty hard to use for the average consumer because you can do thousands of things on each of them.
I can only imagine the difficulty in using the Wii U if it could not only do games, but also three other things.
yeah....that too.
Having too many options for ONE thing sounds like a clusterf*** waiting to happen.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]
If you could get rid of your cable/dish box, dvr, bluray/dvd player, and whatever else you might have below your tv, and replace it all with just one machine, you don't think that'd be cool?
Ly_the_Fairy
Yah, just like smartphones, and PCs. Both are pretty hard to use for the average consumer because you can do thousands of things on each of them.
I can only imagine the difficulty in using the Wii U if it could not only do games, but also three other things.
Okay, good point (actually, I keep forgetting that the PS3 and 360 do stuff like that too), but regardless, stuff like DVD player support, using the internet, Netflix, etc are SECONDARY things in a console. Not the most important and Nintendo not wanting to jump on the DVD bandwagon isn't a big deal. People seriously overlook the GAMES factor in their console and call it a piece of crap just because it lacks the ability to play DVD's.gamestop charged me for the preorder a few days ago, with one day shipping i'm hoping it'll get here on my first day off from work next week. didn't buy any wii u games, ill probably want to finish the 3 wii games i still haven't beat yet before getting some.
about the no dvd whining comment, it's not even necessary since everyone probably owns 3 things that can play dvds already and i don't even care for it since i have a blu ray player.
[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Having too many options for ONE thing sounds like a clusterf*** waiting to happen.nintendoboy16
Yah, just like smartphones, and PCs. Both are pretty hard to use for the average consumer because you can do thousands of things on each of them.
I can only imagine the difficulty in using the Wii U if it could not only do games, but also three other things.
Okay, good point (actually, I keep forgetting that the PS3 and 360 do stuff like that too), but regardless, stuff like DVD player support, using the internet, Netflix, etc are SECONDARY things in a console. Not the most important and Nintendo not wanting to jump on the DVD bandwagon isn't a big deal. People seriously overlook the GAMES factor in their console and call it a piece of crap just because it lacks the ability to play DVD's.They don't overlook the games; they just understand that it's the year 2012, and consoles can, and should be designed as multimedia devices that provide a great value beyond just gaming.
That was a standard put in place by the PS2 with the dvd player which the Xbox followed with. Then with the rise of Xbox Live consoles got a humungous boost to their feature set with all the downloadable music/movies/tv, and other applications which spread to the PS3, and even a tiny bit with the Wii and netflix.
Now it's 7 years after the 360 launch, and the Wii U is launching with less features, 8gb/32gb of storage, and lacks basic stuff like USB 3.0 and an ethernet port. It also won't have a library that matches the 360's (obviously it will get more games as time goes on, but we live in 2012 right now).
This is a $300 product that does less than other $300 products.
Okay, good point (actually, I keep forgetting that the PS3 and 360 do stuff like that too), but regardless, stuff like DVD player support, using the internet, Netflix, etc are SECONDARY things in a console. Not the most important and Nintendo not wanting to jump on the DVD bandwagon isn't a big deal. People seriously overlook the GAMES factor in their console and call it a piece of crap just because it lacks the ability to play DVD's.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]
Yah, just like smartphones, and PCs. Both are pretty hard to use for the average consumer because you can do thousands of things on each of them.
I can only imagine the difficulty in using the Wii U if it could not only do games, but also three other things.
Ly_the_Fairy
They don't overlook the games; they just understand that it's the year 2012, and consoles can, and should be designed as multimedia devices that provide a great value beyond just gaming.
That was a standard put in place by the PS2 with the dvd player which the Xbox followed with. Then with the rise of Xbox Live consoles got a humungous boost to their feature set with all the downloadable music/movies/tv, and other applications which spread to the PS3, and even a tiny bit with the Wii and netflix.
Now it's 7 years after the 360 launch, and the Wii U is launching with less features, 8gb/32gb of storage, and lacks basic stuff like USB 3.0 and an ethernet port. It also won't have a library that matches the 360's (obviously it will get more games as time goes on, but we live in 2012 right now).
This is a $300 product that does less than other $300 products.
Never mind the tablet is costing them... and the "not overlooking games" statement is laughable on so many reasons and for so many years (since either 1996 or 2001). Any more and Nintendo would have released the thing at $599.[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Okay, good point (actually, I keep forgetting that the PS3 and 360 do stuff like that too), but regardless, stuff like DVD player support, using the internet, Netflix, etc are SECONDARY things in a console. Not the most important and Nintendo not wanting to jump on the DVD bandwagon isn't a big deal. People seriously overlook the GAMES factor in their console and call it a piece of crap just because it lacks the ability to play DVD's.nintendoboy16
They don't overlook the games; they just understand that it's the year 2012, and consoles can, and should be designed as multimedia devices that provide a great value beyond just gaming.
That was a standard put in place by the PS2 with the dvd player which the Xbox followed with. Then with the rise of Xbox Live consoles got a humungous boost to their feature set with all the downloadable music/movies/tv, and other applications which spread to the PS3, and even a tiny bit with the Wii and netflix.
Now it's 7 years after the 360 launch, and the Wii U is launching with less features, 8gb/32gb of storage, and lacks basic stuff like USB 3.0 and an ethernet port. It also won't have a library that matches the 360's (obviously it will get more games as time goes on, but we live in 2012 right now).
This is a $300 product that does less than other $300 products.
Never mind the tablet is costing them... and the "not overlooking games" statement is laughable on so many reasons and for so many years (since either 1996 or 2001). Any more and Nintendo would have released the thing at $599.It's all about value. You call it laughable because you can find $300 worth of value in the Wii U. I can't, and many others can't.
I find a handful of the Wii U's expected releases to be intriguing such as ZombiU, The Wonderful 101, and Bayonetta 2, but $300 + $60 per game ($480 + tax) is a pretty steep price to pay to get that luxury. For that money I could buy 50-100 quality PC games this holiday season.
Give it a few years time, and your argument about game library might hold more weight. As it stands we know nothing about the quality of Wii U's launch titles, and the only thing we're riding on for the Wii U's future library is hope that it might turn out good.
I have my deluxe edition preoordered. The System has 5 extremely promising games already shown for it and that doesn't include the 3D Mario, Smash Bros., Metroid, and Zelda that are all but confirmed. The console will already be worth it by this time next year.
I have both of mine reserved and paid for.
Probably gonna start with zombi-u alone for the time being and maybe another game.
Will wait to see for others.
Zero hype, zero interest, will never buy it. Heil68This for the first two. Will buy it once it gets worthy games. But for now, yeah, I couldn't care less.
[QUOTE="Zophar87"]Well, it's very clear that Nintendo used the same engine, and then uprezzed it, but god damn does that look good in HD. The resolution does make all the difference in the world. Does WiiU do any fancy upscaling tricks for Wii games you play on it?Here's a graphical comparison between the Wii and Wii U
charizard1605
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]Well, it's very clear that Nintendo used the same engine, and then uprezzed it, but god damn does that look good in HD. The resolution does make all the difference in the world. Does WiiU do any fancy upscaling tricks for Wii games you play on it?Here's to hoping for some smoothing options but it won't be upscaling our wii games to higher resolutions.Here's a graphical comparison between the Wii and Wii U
locopatho
Never mind the tablet is costing them... and the "not overlooking games" statement is laughable on so many reasons and for so many years (since either 1996 or 2001). Any more and Nintendo would have released the thing at $599.[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]
[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]
They don't overlook the games; they just understand that it's the year 2012, and consoles can, and should be designed as multimedia devices that provide a great value beyond just gaming.
That was a standard put in place by the PS2 with the dvd player which the Xbox followed with. Then with the rise of Xbox Live consoles got a humungous boost to their feature set with all the downloadable music/movies/tv, and other applications which spread to the PS3, and even a tiny bit with the Wii and netflix.
Now it's 7 years after the 360 launch, and the Wii U is launching with less features, 8gb/32gb of storage, and lacks basic stuff like USB 3.0 and an ethernet port. It also won't have a library that matches the 360's (obviously it will get more games as time goes on, but we live in 2012 right now).
This is a $300 product that does less than other $300 products.
Ly_the_Fairy
It's all about value. You call it laughable because you can find $300 worth of value in the Wii U. I can't, and many others can't.
I find a handful of the Wii U's expected releases to be intriguing such as ZombiU, The Wonderful 101, and Bayonetta 2, but $300 + $60 per game ($480 + tax) is a pretty steep price to pay to get that luxury. For that money I could buy 50-100 quality PC games this holiday season.
Give it a few years time, and your argument about game library might hold more weight. As it stands we know nothing about the quality of Wii U's launch titles, and the only thing we're riding on for the Wii U's future library is hope that it might turn out good.
Millions of other people do find value in the $300-$350 console.
Can't you say the same thing about every other console thats out? People spent $600 on the PS3 at launch and it didnt recieve its first good game for a couple of years.
Have it pre ordered, hope it doesnt suck. Nintendo better come out with some good games for charging this much for ancient technology
I'm gonna agree with you but ask a disagreeing question. Do you like this gen? I love it and never wanna leave it. That's why i'm loving the Wii-U right now. Though all third party support will most likely leave the window once PS4 and whatever the hell the next xbox are going to be.Great to see Nintendo getting into this gen although a few years late
fueled-system
[QUOTE="fueled-system"]I'm gonna agree with you but ask a disagreeing question. Do you like this gen? I love it and never wanna leave it. That's why i'm loving the Wii-U right now. Though all third party support will most likely leave the window once PS4 and whatever the hell the next xbox are going to be.It was more of a joke and I could careless when this gen ends as I also like it, I aint a graphics guy and the fact that development cost will go up next gen, there wont be as much innovationGreat to see Nintendo getting into this gen although a few years late
Animal-Mother
You're a bad liar, you know that Dude... it's Heil. What do you expect after all he's said about Nintendo?[QUOTE="Heil68"]Zero hype, zero interest, will never buy it. FireEmblem_Man
[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]You're a bad liar, you know that Dude... it's Heil. What do you expect after all he's said about Nintendo?[QUOTE="Heil68"]Zero hype, zero interest, will never buy it. nintendoboy16
Oh Nintendoboy, you don't visit the Union very often ;)
Honestly it looks like a joke, I may buy mine then sell it for 200 dollars more than get a gaming rig.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]Well, it's very clear that Nintendo used the same engine, and then uprezzed it, but god damn does that look good in HD. The resolution does make all the difference in the world. Does WiiU do any fancy upscaling tricks for Wii games you play on it? No, it very literally becomes a Wii when you play Wii games on it.Here's a graphical comparison between the Wii and Wii U
locopatho
How Nintendo Is Convincing Developers To Work On The Wii U
It seems that Miyamoto has been meeting personally with developers to encourage them to work with Nintendo's new console. "I am trying to meet with the game developers individually for this matter," he says, asked how the company will be supporting other developers that want to get the best out of the hardware. "The real subject is whether Ill be able to - well be able to - convince developers inside of the licensing publishers to be excited about the new features of the Wii U, so much so that theyll be enthused towards making brand new entertainment that Icouldn'tcome up with myself."
"The fact of the matter is that most third-party licensees from a business point of view, had to create multi-platform titles and because Nintendo has been trying to create very unique hardware, oftentimes it was not considered the first choice for them to work on multi-platformsoftware," he explains. "So its the entire company decision-making process that is hindering developers ability from making unique titles on Wii U hardware. Once again, my job as one of thedevelopersis meet with the individual people and convince that theyll be able to create brand new entertainment that they really wish to realise. My job is to try to assist them in that fashion.
"I do not think that providing any special technologies, know how or skills would be able to change the situation, because I understand that most third-party developers already have those things."
Nintendo Interested In 3DS/Wii U Connectivity
"Of course we are thinking of the possibility of connecting Wii U and Nintendo 3DS once again," Miyamoto said. "[But] we have challenged connectivity on many occasions, and one of the great lessons we have learned is the simple fact that those who own both are much fewer than those who dont own both. So what we decided early on when considering the Wii U design was that we had to make it so that every single purchaser of the Wii U is going to have the same play conditions, the same equipment."
"But of course we are trying to think about a way to expand the experience of 3DS and Wii U when they are connected with each other, one way or the other."
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