The Official" Should Kinect games be counted as legit exclusives or not? &q

People are making a big fuzz over kinect games when they score high, and forget totally about them when they score low saying it's a kinect game afterall ..... do you really believe they are equal to games like Uncharted and Gears, as far as I know PSN and XBL are considered another category, should kinect belong to a new category or what?

They are exclusive, and they are full release games. I honestly cannot think of a reason to discount them.

Also, your options suck.

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

Heil68

They count. Good Kinect games are good games, and the bad ones are no worse than bad "core" games. People here seem to use target demographic to exclude things from the spreadsheet. I hate games like Forza and GT5, yet I don't argue that they don't belong simply because they're not my type of games. And let's not forget how horribly bad Big Rig's scored. I honestly don't see the difference.

Different standards =/= lower standards.

I'd wager the only people who argue differently likely haven't even played the Kinect to form a valid opinion.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

Heil68

Retail games are reviewed with the same expectations. No one reviews a puzzle game expecting explosions and cut scenes. Values shift, its the same thing in this case.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

ForzaGearsFace

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

ActicEdge

Why not? A fun game's a fun game, and it's not like Uncharted and the like are high-brow, experimental titles seeping with creativity.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

ActicEdge

Retail games are reviewed with the same expectations. No one reviews a puzzle game expecting explosions and cut scenes. Values shift, its the same thing in this case.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

PBSnipes

Why not? A fun game's a fun game, and it's not like Uncharted and the like are high-brow, experimental titles seeping with creativity.

I suppose most reviewers wouldn't go into reviewing a kinect game and expecting something on the levels of uncharted or the likes.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

millerlight89

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

PBSnipes

Why not? A fun game's a fun game, and it's not like Uncharted and the like are high-brow, experimental titles seeping with creativity.

I didn't say inferior. I said not equal. Rather large difference. Again, you don't go into a puzzle game expecting explosions and chase scenes. It gets reviewed off of values that make great puzzle games. Likewise, you don't go into SS: Once upon a w/e its called expecting a vietnam mission because that's not what its about. Its a great game based off values that make kinect games great. Don't think what I said is controversial

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They count. They also aren't equal, the values that make a great kinect game don't necessarily make a great "uncharted" like game.

millerlight89

lol, Casy has just told me he is listening to Tom Mcshea in this, apparantly Tom Mcshea is the ultimate poster around here ..... who gave infamous2 a 7.5 :cry: .

I suppose most reviewers wouldn't go into reviewing a kinect game and expecting something on the levels of uncharted or the likes.

GD1551

Which is...what? A B-movie level Indiana Jones wannabe? If Uncharted, Gears, Halo, COD etc. are 'true' games, I don't think reviewers have to drop their expectations all that much for 'fake'/'casual' games like Dance Central.

i don't see why they shouldn't count. You still need a 360 to play them correct?

i don't see why they shouldn't count. You still need a 360 to play them correct?

Zorgax

And Kinect and to be causal enough !! lol

Are people stupid? They're games only playable on the 360, so...

And yes, the 360 does need the exclusives.

lawl kinect games...

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I suppose most reviewers wouldn't go into reviewing a kinect game and expecting something on the levels of uncharted or the likes.

PBSnipes

Which is...what? A B-movie level Indiana Jones wannabe? If Uncharted, Gears, Halo, COD etc. are 'true' games, I don't think reviewers have to drop their expectations all that much for 'fake'/'casual' games like Dance Central.

No it's a big budget game. It's the same reason people don't go into wii games expecting production values of the HD consoles. Except in this case not only does that go for production values but it also goes for gameplay depth. I doubt anyone expects a deep experience out of a kinect game.

I think the bar is set lower on Kinect games than on non-Kinect games.

If we include them, I think we should also include Downloadables.

I didn't say inferior. I said not equal. Rather large difference. Again, you don't go into a puzzle game expecting explosions and chase scenes. It gets reviewed off of values that make great puzzle games. Likewise, you don't go into SS: Once upon a w/e its called expecting a vietnam mission because that's not what its about. Its a great game based off values that make kinect games great. Don't think what I said is controversial

ActicEdge

But that's just a slippery slope into "every game is a special and unique snowflake" territory. Scoring systems inherently involve a large degree of simplification/generalization -- otherwise you run into the issue of people being able to legitimately say "Forza 4 isn't a flop because standards change/it still outscored the competition/it came out in a tougher release period", and that's not at all good for the SW pissing competition.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Heil68"] Casey just said they're reviewed the same as any other retail game, so everyone should go get Kinect and DC2 as you cant ignore an 8.5. Well worth the $200 to play it, omho88

lol, Casy has just told me he is listening to Tom Mcshea in this, apparantly Tom Mcshea is the ultimate poster around here ..... who gave infamous2 a 7.5 :cry: .

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I suppose most reviewers wouldn't go into reviewing a kinect game and expecting something on the levels of uncharted or the likes.

GD1551

Which is...what? A B-movie level Indiana Jones wannabe? If Uncharted, Gears, Halo, COD etc. are 'true' games, I don't think reviewers have to drop their expectations all that much for 'fake'/'casual' games like Dance Central.

No it's a big budget game. It's the same reason people don't go into wii games expecting production values of the HD consoles. Except in this case not only does that go for production values but it also goes for gameplay depth. I doubt anyone expects a deep experience out of a kinect game.

And why does budget matter? Smaller indie titles count on PC afterall. I personally expect that for $60, I get a fun experience. Dance Central provided that while Uncharted didn't. Don't presume everyone is entertained by depth and production values, especially when Uncharted isn't sparking debates due to its complexity anyway.

No it's a big budget game. It's the same reason people don't go into wii games expecting production values of the HD consoles. Except in this case not only does that go for production values but it also goes for gameplay depth. I doubt anyone expects a deep experience out of a kinect game.

GD1551

Which brings me back to my original point: how is a big-budget, mass-market game like Uncharted "deep"?

I think the bar is set lower on Kinect games than on non-Kinect games.

If we include them, I think we should also include Downloadables.

nitekids2004

My thoughts exactly.

Do to how bad the games on it tend to be, they are held to completely different standards than any normal game.

And why does budget matter? Smaller indie titles count on PC afterall. I personally expect that for $60, I get a fun experience. Dance Central provided that while Uncharted didn't. Don't presume everyone is entertained by depth and production values, especially when Uncharted isn't sparking debates due to its complexity anyway.

Kickinurass

Because they don't expect the same level of effort put into the games? It's like with DL titles on XBLA.

They count, get over it.Badosh

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

No it's a big budget game. It's the same reason people don't go into wii games expecting production values of the HD consoles. Except in this case not only does that go for production values but it also goes for gameplay depth. I doubt anyone expects a deep experience out of a kinect game.

PBSnipes

Which brings me back to my original point: how is a big-budget, mass-market game like Uncharted "deep"?

They aren't "deep" but they are deeper than any kinect game. The same standard isn't there for kinect games and you know it.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

And why does budget matter? Smaller indie titles count on PC afterall. I personally expect that for $60, I get a fun experience. Dance Central provided that while Uncharted didn't. Don't presume everyone is entertained by depth and production values, especially when Uncharted isn't sparking debates due to its complexity anyway.

GD1551

Because they don't expect the same level of effort put into the games? It's like with DL titles on XBLA.

But Dance Central has a much effort put into it as any other game, certainly more than games like Haze, Lair, Onechanbra and yet they count as core games. It's the best dance game out, bar none. If you played it, you'd realize its actually quite a high quality game and that the team behind it put alot of effort into making it.

What part exactly makes you think Dance Central doesn't get as much attention as any other game?

They aren't "deep" but they are deeper than any kinect game. The same standard isn't there for kinect games and you know it.

GD1551

So we've established Kinect games have different standards - now prove to me that having different standards somehow equates to lower standards.

Edit: Argh. Embarassing typo.

Well technically Kinect games are Xbox 360 games. That requires an $100.00 senser so "you can become the controller" Personally I find the wholeKinect "you are the controller" bit. Lame. I'm sorry but it is. This almost makes the Wii and the WiiU seemcool. Yep I did buy a Wii Console (might as well try the Motion gaming Fad) yes it is a Fad. The Wii or the Kinect senser.

But my personal feelings on motion controlled gaming. Since kinect is only available on Xbox 360. Just as the balance board for Wii Fit and Wii Fit plus is only for Nintendo.

As lame as the kinect games are they are Xbox 360 exclusives, For the casual gaming crowd, But Exclusives nevertheless. Even though I will never be the Controller. Because that is just Gay (In this instance Gay meaningstupid, lame, Bad) not a reference to whomever people find attractive. The Microsoft people just fluked on a bad, Dumb idea that was popular with the casual gaming demographic. So yep Kinect games for better or worse are Xbox exclusives.

you have to buy a Kinect sensorto play these games. I don't like it, but they are exclusive games, Microsoft is a business and kinect sales have helped.

[QUOTE="Badosh"]They count, get over it.lx_theo

Nope because Kinect is it's own system, just like how the move is. It is nothing more than a add on to play other games.

I am tied between this. You could count them because they are only on the Xbox 360. However, perhaps you shouldn't count them because they require you to get an extra device for the 360, hence you can't play them on any 360. Same applies to Playstation Move exclusives as well.

EDIT: They should just have same column that arcade and PSN titles have. Kinect games vs Move games. They shouldn't be related to games that don't involve you having to buy a Kinect or Move.

I am tied between this. You could count them because they are only on the Xbox 360. However, perhaps you shouldn't count them because they require you to get an extra device for the 360, hence you can't play them on any 360. Same applies to Playstation Move exclusives as well.

NoirLamia

[QUOTE="NoirLamia"]

I am tied between this. You could count them because they are only on the Xbox 360. However, perhaps you shouldn't count them because they require you to get an extra device for the 360, hence you can't play them on any 360. Same applies to Playstation Move exclusives as well.

mems_1224

That's a good point, I think that is stupid that you have to have Motion Plus to play it. Then again Motion Plus is being sold in all current Wiis now. This is why I am tied on this matter .-.

They are exclusive, and they are full release games. I honestly cannot think of a reason to discount them.

Also, your options suck.

lundy86_4

On the flipside, they are peripheral-required and not included - ergo not all of the installed base can actually get the game.

I personally wouldn't mind if all peripheral-based games were listed separately - or at the very least there should be some sort of sidenote to them.

They're games you can only play on 360 so yeah...they're legit exclusives.

I don't see why not. The Kinect is just an add-on

The only thing that I can think of that's potentially different is the pricepoint of some of them.

On the flipside, they are peripheral-required and not included - ergo not all of the installed base can actually get the game.

I personally wouldn't mind if all peripheral-based games were listed separately - or at the very least there should be some sort of sidenote to them.

shinrabanshou

Certainly understandable that they are peripheral-based, and maybe an addendum should be added regarding the use of said peripheral. The only thing I can think of, like a poster said above, is games utilizing motion+. It was sold as an add-on to the platform (drastically different price points), but an add-on none-the-less.