The Official" Should Kinect games be counted as legit exclusives or not? &q

Of course they count on the spreadsheet, not that the spreadsheet even resembles an honest and accurate portrayal of the gaming libraries, but I digress... :roll:

Also, the poll stinks

What the hell? is there any people that really don't count them as legit? that's pathetic, an exclusive is an exclusive doesn't matter if Master Chief is the protagonist or the Cookie Monster. Hell, i really dislike Kinect and their games, but that doesn't erase the fact that some of them are high quility games.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

The only thing that I can think of that's potentially different is the pricepoint of some of them.

On the flipside, they are peripheral-required and not included - ergo not all of the installed base can actually get the game.

I personally wouldn't mind if all peripheral-based games were listed separately - or at the very least there should be some sort of sidenote to them.

lundy86_4

Certainly understandable that they are peripheral-based, and maybe an addendum should be added regarding the use of said peripheral. The only thing I can think of, like a poster said above, is games utilizing motion+. It was sold as an add-on to the platform (drastically different price points), but an add-on none-the-less.

They're not accessible to the rest of the installed base unless they also buy the peripheral (which is, I thought, why PSN/XBLA games are separated - they are download only and thus not necessarily available) thus all peripheral-required games could be separated out.

It gets messy though as some are packed with the peripheral.

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Also I just noticed the poll... :?

So games shouldn't count just because you dont like them? Logic folks......use it.

Man cows must be really butthurt that the 360 got two AAE within a week.:P Of course they should count. They're retail 360 games.

Why not?

How can they not be? Are they not made for the Xbox 360?

So games shouldn't count just because you dont like them? Logic folks......use it.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

So games shouldn't count just because you dont like them? Logic folks......use it.

TheEroica

If I had a nickle for everytime I saw a post like urs !!!!!!

Anyway, I am talking logic, Kinect games are counted but not the4 PSN and Live games, somebody said " they aren't retails" so what? can anyone answer me this?how does this affect their categorization?

If I had a nickle for everytime I saw a post like urs !!!!!!

Anyway, I am talking logic, Kinect games are counted but not the4 PSN and Live games, somebody said " they aren't retails" so what? can anyone answer me this?how does this affect their categorization?

omho88

What is your basis for not allowing Kinect games? Can you prove they are reviewed by a different standard?

[QUOTE="omho88"]

If I had a nickle for everytime I saw a post like urs !!!!!!

Anyway, I am talking logic, Kinect games are counted but not the4 PSN and Live games, somebody said " they aren't retails" so what? can anyone answer me this?how does this affect their categorization?

lundy86_4

What is your basis for not allowing Kinect games? Can you prove they are reviewed by a different standard?

The most obvious point is that they need add on equipment, I dun know what standards GS is using, nobody knows, but even the reviewer admitted that the game is causal enough to exclude that to grant it its score. Now can you answe my Q ?

The most obvious point is that they need add on equipment, I dun know what standards GS is using, nobody knows, but even the reviewer admitted that the game is causal enough to exclude that to grant it its score. Now can you answe my Q ?

omho88

Motion+ is add-on and yet some games require the hardware, are they any less exclusive, and thus, should be excluded from all counts? PSN/XBLA titles have always been listed differently under System Wars, and haven't counted this entire generation. Yes, they aren't retail, nor are they full release. They are developed on vastly different budgets, with much smaller dev teams, and thus different standards are applied.

Kinect games are reviewed using very similar standard to other full release games.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

The most obvious point is that they need add on equipment, I dun know what standards GS is using, nobody knows, but even the reviewer admitted that the game is causal enough to exclude that to grant it its score. Now can you answe my Q ?

lundy86_4

Motion+ is add-on and yet some games require the hardware, are they any less exclusive, and thus, should be excluded from all counts? PSN/XBLA titles have always been listed differently under System Wars, and haven't counted this entire generation. Yes, they aren't retail, nor are they full release. They are developed on vastly different budgets, with much smaller dev teams, and thus different standards are applied.

Kinect games are reviewed using very similar standard to other full release games.

I assume these game are also playable by using the standard Wiimote, or they are selling the Motion+ now with the new consoles instead of the old wiimote ( correct me plzzz).

You can't really tell the budget or how big the team is for retail, downloadable or kinect games, Uncharted 3 for example was made by a team of 90 person which is faily small compared to MW3 team! And I assume that games like DC2 and any kinect game has even much smaller developing team with budgets as small as downloadable games. .

XBL/PSN games were listed alone coz they are downloadable not retail, the Q is, how does this make any difference in the standards which you claim you know?

I assume these game are also playable by using the standard Wiimote, or they are selling the Motion+ now with the new consoles instead of the old wiimote ( correct me plzzz).

You can't really tell the budget or how big the team is for retail, downloadable or kinect games, Uncharted 3 for example was made by a team of 90 person which is faily small compared to MW3 team! And I assume that games like DC2 and any kinect game has even much smaller developing team with budgets as small as downloadable games. .

XBL/PSN games were listed alone coz they are downloadable not retail, the Q is, how does this make any difference in the standards which you claim you know?

omho88

Nope. Certain games require the hardware AFAIK. They are bundling it in with all new sales, regardless, that does not discount the gamers without the hardware.

Granted, the budget and size of dev team is mostly left to an educated guess, but most indie or XBLA/PSN games have been known to be developed by smaller dev teams with a limited budget, naturally (smaller companies, and all that). The fact that these games have gone to retail kind of indicates a larger budget (let alone, MS being the owner of a couple of Kinect developers). The majority of XBLA/PSN games would not be picked up by publishers due to them being too small to allow the high cost of distribution and packaging to enter the equation. DD allows for those not to be an issue.

I don't claim to "know" any standards. Casey has informed us that Kinect games are reviewed around on par with other "core" games (via Tom McShea). The allocation of standards would be up to Gamespot as a company.

Although I'm sure you wont see many lems champing around the fact that more games on their system got good scores were ultra casual games that they would never be caught dead playing, rather than core games like Halo or Forza.Jynxzor

Yes they should still people voted for no...

They already are.

lol, Casy has just told me he is listening to Tom Mcshea in this, apparantly Tom Mcshea is the ultimate poster around here ..... who gave infamous2 a 7.5 :cry: .

omho88

Tom MCShea said Kinect games are held to the same standards?

They are exclusives to the system, they be legit, son.

They already are.

waltefmoney

The reason why this differentiation exists is because 360 fans wouldn't regard them at the same height as core 360 games. I mean, if you were a 360 fan, would you put them on the same line as core games such as the trio of exclusives we all know?

The reason why this differentiation exists is because 360 fans wouldn't regard them at the same height as core 360 games. I mean, if you were a 360 fan, would you put them on the same line as core games such as the trio of exclusives we all know?

Lucianu

Does that really matter though? The rules of this board are pretty clear. But why wouldn't you list Kinect games? Because they're for casuals?

Sure. They are 360 games played with a different controller.

Does that really matter though? The rules of this board are pretty clear. But why wouldn't you list Kinect games? Because they're for casuals?

waltefmoney

If i were a 360 fan, i wouldn't put them on any definite pedestal compared to core 360 games, they are all legit exclusives to the console, even though one type requires a optional device. It's a different situation than the Wii, there's two types of games with the 360/Kinect. One requires the console itself and the other type requiring the Kinect device.

I would have my own personal list of what games i would regard higher than other games, based on my preferance. So if i would dislike this device and its games, then i would not compare them to the core 360 games i would like.

If i were a 360 fan, i wouldn't put them on any definite pedestal compared to core 360 games, they are all legit exclusives to the console, even though one type requires a optional device. It's a different situation than the Wii, there's two types of games with the 360/Kinect. One requires the console itself and the other type requiring the Kinect device.

I would have my own personal list of what games i would regard higher than other games, based on my preferance. So if i would dislike this device and its games, then i would not compare them to the core 360 games i would like.

Lucianu

Of course you can prefer the games that appeal to you more. Does that mean you can't mention Kinect games when talking about 360 exclusives though?

It's a different situation than the Wii, there's two types of games with the 360/Kinect. One requires the console itself and the other type requiring the Kinect device.Lucianu

There are also Wii games that require Wii motion plus and they're listed as normal exclusives on the spreasheet. Same goes for Move games. This really isn't something new.

Of course you can prefer the games that appeal to you more. Does that mean you can't mention Kinect games when talking about 360 exclusives though?

There are also Wii games that require Wii motion plus and they're listed as normal exclusives on the spreasheet. Same goes for Move games. This really isn't something new.

waltefmoney

No reason to ask me that wen i already told you that i would consider them legit exclusives. Hence, i would regard them as 360 exclusives if i would talk about them. I was elaborating on the point of view from fans that could potentially not take these Kinect games as seriously as 360 games that do not require the Kinect.

No reason to ask me that wen i already told you that i would consider them legit exclusives. Hence, i would regard them as 360 exclusives if i would talk about them. I was elaborating on the point of view from fans that could potentially not take these Kinect games as seriously as 360 games that do not require the Kinect.

Lucianu

Well, that's their right.

[QUOTE="Badosh"]They count, get over it.lx_theo

Of course they should count as exclusives. They're telling the truth when they say only on the Xbox 360. No other system has them.

Funny how this issue wasn't raised when Dance Central got an AAE. But when the 360 get's three AAE via Kinect in a short space of time, it's debatin' time!Ravensmash

360 simply isn´t allowed to be a good console in these boards. Exactly a year ago, when move had a chance to be a success over kinect, i remember motion controls to be an important factor to choose one console over the other :P

Yes.They should.

They are exclusive games, why wouldn't they count?

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

So games shouldn't count just because you dont like them? Logic folks......use it.

omho88

If I had a nickle for everytime I saw a post like urs !!!!!!

Anyway, I am talking logic, Kinect games are counted but not the4 PSN and Live games, somebody said " they aren't retails" so what? can anyone answer me this?how does this affect their categorization?

Sure let them count, although I have a hard time imagining how a game like The Gunstringer was held to the same standards as other retail games when reviewed.kuraimen

Xbla gets high scoring games = Downloadable games dont count

360/PC share lot´s of high scoring games = 360/PC multiplats dont count

Kinect gets high scoring games = Motion controlled games dont count

Im starting to see a pattern here lololol :P

Xbla gets high scoring games = Downloadable games dont count

360/PC share lot´s of high scoring games = 360/PC multiplats dont count

Kinect gets high scoring games = Motion controlled games dont count

Im starting to see a pattern here lololol :P

PAL360

I honestly think XBLA/PSN games should count if small PC games count.

Xbla gets high scoring games = Downloadable games dont count

360/PC share lot´s of high scoring games = 360/PC multiplats dont count

Kinect gets high scoring games = Kinect games dont count

Im starting to see a pattern here lololol :P

PAL360

It's the same deal wen fanboys argue that RTS, MMO and indie games don't count wen it comes to the PC platform. Sure there's a pattern, the thought pattern of fanboys.

Xbla gets high scoring games = Downloadable games dont count

360/PC share lot´s of high scoring games = 360/PC multiplats dont count

Kinect gets high scoring games = Motion controlled games dont count

Im starting to see a pattern here lololol :P

PAL360

^In real life any form of game count when looking at the overall lineup. Those are Gamespot´s System Wars ONLY rules ;)

^In real life any form of game count when looking at the overall lineup. Those are Gamespot´s System Wars ONLY rules ;)

PAL360