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#51 cfisher2833
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@musicalmac said:

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I'm sad this is a discussion. The hardware capabilities of each current generation console are disappointing.

But not unsurprising. You can only do so much with a 200w-250w limit, especially if you're trying to keep costs down.

It's still disappointing. 1080p 60fps w/AA is not standard? It's really just too bad. More than ever, Sony and MS are relying on killer exclusives, of which none have been made known.

Yeah, that's why I am sticking with PC. I'll probably pick up a PS4 after about 3 years if a decent lineup on exclusives has been built up. Might have to also pickup a WiiU. That new Monolithsoft game looks badfuckingass, and Nintendo really seems to be prioritizing 1080p60fps (and by that I mean, REAL 60fps--not that 50fps with wild fluctuations avg. Tomb Raider bullshit).

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#52  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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@draign: Yeah brah its all fake and nothing is real. Land from your Cloud already, game looks like shit.

No AA, pre bakery, google maps spectators, ps2 quality textures but it achieved 1080p/60fps!!!! Gratz! The Bone of all the systems has the less to brag about.

What the **** that last screen looks like Gt 3, rofl. How the hell did stuff that treeline slip past in the review.

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#53 soulitane
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Why not give the user the choice? I assume they could just put the option for black bars with AA and no black bars with no AA. It would be nice if they gave the user choices rather than just doing what they find best.

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#55  Edited By silversix_
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@draign: Are you dumb or something? BF4, Ass Creed (ps4 version, not the ugly Xboxne version) hell even CoD Ghosts on ps4 looks better than this ps2 textures prebakery with zero anti aliasing...

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#56 ReadingRainbow4
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Is half the shit in those Forza 5 screens even textured? lmao.

That's just hilarious, like seriously. Those aren't tree's just blurred out shrubbery.

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@cfisher2833 said:

@musicalmac said:

@cfisher2833 said:

@musicalmac said:

I'm sad this is a discussion. The hardware capabilities of each current generation console are disappointing.

But not unsurprising. You can only do so much with a 200w-250w limit, especially if you're trying to keep costs down.

It's still disappointing. 1080p 60fps w/AA is not standard? It's really just too bad. More than ever, Sony and MS are relying on killer exclusives, of which none have been made known.

Yeah, that's why I am sticking with PC. I'll probably pick up a PS4 after about 3 years if a decent lineup on exclusives has been built up. Might have to also pickup a WiiU. That new Monolithsoft game looks badfuckingass, and Nintendo really seems to be prioritizing 1080p60fps (and by that I mean, REAL 60fps--not that 50fps with wild fluctuations avg. Tomb Raider bullshit).

The new consoles also cannot touch the computer I've got sitting in my office at home. I joked that if anything, I'd buy a Wii U after they stopped making games for it and pick up a bunch of cheap used games, all for about a hundred bucks.

At least, that's how I got years of enjoyment out of the dreamcast.

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#58  Edited By Tighaman
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I don't understand sony fanboys they rather have 1080p with poor AA and framerate problems just so they can say its 1080p instead of going with a 1920x800 with black bars to help lock the frame rate 4xmsaa and an over all better looking game smh so sad just let the devs craft the game as they want to

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#59 I_can_haz
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@Tighaman said:

I don't understand sony fanboys they rather have 1080p with poor AA and framerate problems just so they can say its 1080p instead of going with a 1920x800 with black bars to help lock the frame rate 4xmsaa and an over all better looking game smh so sad just let the devs craft the game as they want to

Al lem talking about framerates and resolution? LOL

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#60 Tighaman
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@I_can_haz: That's only sony fanboys who hollering about RYSE but you are about to witness the same thing 1920x800p at 30fps linear corridor TPS and watch how much praise it gets from the same fanboys who said RYSE was garbage.

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#61 StrongBlackVine
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@seanmcloughlin said:

Celebrating stuff that should be common in a 2014 video game. It' s nice and all but how long have these been an option in PC games?

But of course that doesn't matter until cows get a taste of it right?

The argument is so dumb because a PC is only as weak as your budget. So I guess you are now a troll that steals topic directly from Neogaf daily?

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@StrongBlackVine said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Celebrating stuff that should be common in a 2014 video game. It' s nice and all but how long have these been an option in PC games?

But of course that doesn't matter until cows get a taste of it right?

The argument is so dumb because a PC is only as weak as your budget. So I guess you are now a troll that steals topic directly from Neogaf daily?

These consoles have specs akin to midrange PC's and yet even with that console opitmization bullshit they still can't hit 60FPS.

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#63 lostrib
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Doesn't this game have black bars on top and bottom? or am I thinking of something else

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#64  Edited By soulitane
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@lostrib said:

Doesn't this game have black bars on top and bottom? or am I thinking of something else

You're thinking of the right game.

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#65 lostrib
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@soulitane said:

@lostrib said:

Doesn't this game have black bars on top and bottom? or am I thinking of something else

You're thinking of the right game.

So it wont really be 1080p, right?

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#66  Edited By soulitane
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@lostrib said:

@soulitane said:

@lostrib said:

Doesn't this game have black bars on top and bottom? or am I thinking of something else

You're thinking of the right game.

So it wont really be 1080p, right?

Probably not, got to have that cinematic experience after all.

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#67 KHAndAnime
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1080P + SMAA = golden IMO

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#68  Edited By TeamSandow
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This game is going to be amazing

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#69  Edited By nyzma23
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COW DERAILED MUCH WHEN THIS THREAD MENTIONED ABOUT FORZA sigh.....

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#70 Rage010101
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lol console limitations. lol at only 30 fps

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#71 misterpmedia
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It's going to look delicious. No upscaling either as it's still 1:1 pixel mapping. No shitting scaler that completely ruins IQ for PS4 games.

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#72  Edited By Draign
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@silversix_ said:

@draign: Are you dumb or something? BF4, Ass Creed (ps4 version, not the ugly Xboxne version) hell even CoD Ghosts on ps4 looks better than this ps2 textures prebakery with zero anti aliasing...

Woah, settle down there buttercup. Dont you threaten me with last gen multiplats.

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#73  Edited By silversix_
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@draign said:

@silversix_ said:

@draign: Are you dumb or something? BF4, Ass Creed (ps4 version, not the ugly Xboxne version) hell even CoD Ghosts on ps4 looks better than this ps2 textures prebakery with zero anti aliasing...

Woah, settle down there buttercup. Dont you threaten me with last gen multiplats.

Shows how ugly FZ5 looks, losing to last gen multiplats. Forza 5 is like Forza 2, released with close to no graphical advancements, just a cash grab, a microtransaction cash grab.

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#75  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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There will be no port for PC only gamers to beg for so if you want to play The Order 1886 it will be 30fps.The same as Uncharted, The Last Us etc.

/thread

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@silversix_ said:

@draign said:

@silversix_ said:

@draign: Are you dumb or something? BF4, Ass Creed (ps4 version, not the ugly Xboxne version) hell even CoD Ghosts on ps4 looks better than this ps2 textures prebakery with zero anti aliasing...

Woah, settle down there buttercup. Dont you threaten me with last gen multiplats.

Shows how ugly FZ5 looks, losing to last gen multiplats. Forza 5 is like Forza 2, released with close to no graphical advancements, just a cash grab, a microtransaction cash grab.

Dayum dude. You really must have something against Turn 10 to not think that Forza 5 is the greatest looking console racing game of all time.

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@draign said:

@silversix_ said:

@draign said:

@silversix_ said:

@draign: Are you dumb or something? BF4, Ass Creed (ps4 version, not the ugly Xboxne version) hell even CoD Ghosts on ps4 looks better than this ps2 textures prebakery with zero anti aliasing...

Woah, settle down there buttercup. Dont you threaten me with last gen multiplats.

Shows how ugly FZ5 looks, losing to last gen multiplats. Forza 5 is like Forza 2, released with close to no graphical advancements, just a cash grab, a microtransaction cash grab.

Dayum dude. You really must have something against Turn 10 to not think that Forza 5 is the greatest looking console racing game of all time.

wait a sec,,,,,,,, so how exactly can you tell its the best looking racing title when there's nothing else available? You compare Forza 5 to last generation titles and tell yourself what an achievement Forza 5 is? Bad news for you cuz NFS Rivals on ps4 looks way better and has much more going on than your crappy Forza 5 and its a multiplat...

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#78 Couth_
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Resolution>>>AA but the 1920x800 would mean the same PPI as 1080p, but with MSAA. It should look really good, but with black bars..Never played a game with black bars but i'm not too fond of it in movies.

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@StrongBlackVine said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Celebrating stuff that should be common in a 2014 video game. It' s nice and all but how long have these been an option in PC games?

But of course that doesn't matter until cows get a taste of it right?

The argument is so dumb because a PC is only as weak as your budget. So I guess you are now a troll that steals topic directly from Neogaf daily?

Yes I do post stuff from GAF here, because they're always the first with news. I credit GAF as well when I do so. It's not stealing, it is copying however. Don't see why that's a point for discussion with my post though

And it's not dumb because the PS4 has decent hardware in it and everyone's celebrating stuff that should be commonplace in modern games. Having 1080p is considered an achievement somehow and actual decent AA

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#80  Edited By NFJSupreme
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just as i predicted. Well I wont take full credit because other intelligent non fanboys said the same thing. These console are limited right out the gate this gen. There is only but so many resources available and the fact is they cannot achieve 1080p and 60fps on graphically intensive games. It's not going to happen guys. Sony and MS designed these consoles with 30fps in mind. If they truly wanted a 60fps standard they would have released stronger hardware. But for consoles the sweet spot is 30fps. Not only because it allows you to push graphics a little bit more but it also brings down manufacturing costs.

So for the millionth time. Give up on 60fps and 1080p consolites. You are only hamstringing devs by demanding this. If you truly want them to take advantage of these consoles 30fps is the ideal benchmark. Keep demanding 60fps and 1080p and you will be getting games that look no better than Forza 5. What you should demand is a steady FPS. The PS4 is strong enough to run graphically intensive games at 30fps without a single dip. That is what you should demand. No dips in frames. 1080p resolution. More sophisticated AA. But forget about 1080p and 60fps. Leave that to the big boys with big boy PCs.

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#81 deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@xboxdone74 said:

Most excellent. This game is shaping up to be the envy of all non ps4 owners.

Thank you Sony, SSM, Ready at Dawn...and Lord Kaz.

Just like Titanfall will be the envy of all non XBO owners I guess. Both should be good games though.

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#82 l34052
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Correct. No multiplayer, it is a single player, third person actionadventure game. : )

Better to do one thing well than a whole bunch half-assed. : ) We are trying to make a SP experience you will enjoy.

This is the best part of what was said, im sick and tired of games throwing together a crappy MP game at the expense of the single player experience. Not everyone plays online and alot of people still prefer a good single player game but these days this seems like a dying experience or its only 4hrs long if it is included at all.

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@Bishop1310 said:

@draign said:

Why does Sony hate anti-aliasing? Could this be the difference between Sony and MS multiplats?

I've also heard that the X1 does a bit of a better job with AA.. not sure why but It won't only be sony's console that has trouble with it. AA is expensive and demanding even on high end computers. Personally I'd like to see games in 1080p on my x1 and ps4 then 800p with AA.. Or depending on how well Devs get with the upscaler on both consoles I could live with 900p upscaled.

Either way it's too bad we even have to have this discussion.. Microsoft and Sony should have done a better job in terms of hardware.. I would have paid $599 for a much more powerful console.

you would of, but how many others... not many. Remember all the flak they got for the ps3 launch rpice. Why would they make that same mistake again and loose millions of dollars in lost sales because people don't want to spend much for a console. If you want to have the best range of resolutoin...buy or build a pc!

Its best to have both though, a PC and a Playstation console, then you never miss out on anything really worth it. (xbaux never has anything appealing to me for the most part that I can't get elsewhere).

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@chikenfriedrice said:

Too bad the PS4 isn't powerful enough to make that happen at 60FPS, after all that is the true definition of next gen gaming.

this is the pot calling the kettle black...when your precious xbone can't even get half the specs most ps4 titles can... why bash something your console of choice can't even achieve itself 90% of the time... jeesh lol.

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@Midnightshade29 said:

@chikenfriedrice said:

Too bad the PS4 isn't powerful enough to make that happen at 60FPS, after all that is the true definition of next gen gaming.

this is the pot calling the kettle black...when your precious xbone can't even get half the specs most ps4 titles can... why bash something your console of choice can't even achieve itself 90% of the time... jeesh lol.

Wait until Kuu2 jumps in, thats a whole other level of bullshit and makes this guy look completely rational and sane

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#87  Edited By zeeshanhaider
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@StrongBlackVine said:

There will be no port for PC only gamers to beg for so if you want to play The Order 1886 it will be 30fps.The same as Uncharted, The Last Us etc.

/thread

As if we are interested in playing movies. Idiots (cows) and their stupidity. And the best part Console gaming is dying. :D

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@Gue1 said:

@silversix_ said:
@kratosyoloswag said:

There is going to be tons of damage control from lems on Feb 18.

Why?

because that's when Sony will release gameplay footage of the game. And apparently the game will have dynamic destruction too.

"The game has dynamic destruction, and while we’re not talking about Battlefield 4 levels of military bombast, Ready At Dawn’s surface and environmental destruction is rather impressive."

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/21/ps4-gamescom-2013-sony-brings-its-next-gen-darlings-to-cologne/

That's one of the things I like about this new gen. It's not just an improvement in picture quality but also more activity on the screen in general.

Really looking forward to this game. I'm not too fussed about resolution and AA, but I'd prefer it if they don't go with the black borders.

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@StrongBlackVine said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Celebrating stuff that should be common in a 2014 video game. It' s nice and all but how long have these been an option in PC games?

But of course that doesn't matter until cows get a taste of it right?

The argument is so dumb because a PC is only as weak as your budget. So I guess you are now a troll that steals topic directly from Neogaf daily?

QQ

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30 fps or lower confirmed.

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#91  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@zeeshanhaider: Yeah that is why TLOU just dominated GOTY awards. No PC exclusive was even in contention.

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@Bishop1310 said:

@draign said:

Why does Sony hate anti-aliasing? Could this be the difference between Sony and MS multiplats?

I've also heard that the X1 does a bit of a better job with AA.. not sure why but It won't only be sony's console that has trouble with it. AA is expensive and demanding even on high end computers. Personally I'd like to see games in 1080p on my x1 and ps4 then 800p with AA.. Or depending on how well Devs get with the upscaler on both consoles I could live with 900p upscaled.

Either way it's too bad we even have to have this discussion.. Microsoft and Sony should have done a better job in terms of hardware.. I would have paid $599 for a much more powerful console.

Where do you get that from.?

BF4 is horribly jaggified,so is AC4 the PS4 can run the same AA process the xbox one can,but do them better,MSAA is not the same as FXAA which is cheap and doesn't have the same effect,MSAA is demanding but give you better quality image.

In Fact in the 7850 in 1080p BF3 with FXAA the games runs at 64 FPS on Ultra quality,with MSAA X 4 it runs at 40 FPS with the same settings,a 24 FPS hit just by enabling MSAA X 4 instead of FXAA,so if they are choosing to go with it is because they care more about quality of the end product.

Just to give you an example the 7770 run BF3 on 1080p ultra quality with FXAA and get 41 FPS,so imaging a 24 FPS hit by MSAA X 4 on it,it would make game unplayable,the xbox one has basically the power of a 7770,little less in fact.

@draign said:

Why does Sony hate anti-aliasing? Could this be the difference between Sony and MS multiplats?

Who say sony hate AA.? In fact is you apply right now MSAA X 4 at xbox one games it would make basically all unplayable any game that is 30 FPS will drop like to 8 FPS,and any 60 FPS game will drop to like 36,games like BF4 which run mostly at 50FPS with spikes will run at 26 or less frames per second MSAA x 4 has a nasty hit to performance.

@chikenfriedrice said:

Too bad the PS4 isn't powerful enough to make that happen at 60FPS, after all that is the true definition of next gen gaming.

The xbox one can't even do it at 30...lol

1080p and MSAA X 4 is something you will not see on xbox one ever,unless the game is Pac man or asteroids..lol

@seanmcloughlin said:

Celebrating stuff that should be common in a 2014 video game. It' s nice and all but how long have these been an option in PC games?

But of course that doesn't matter until cows get a taste of it right?

Irrelevant when 95% of PC out there or way more can't even run BF4 with FXAA let alone MSAA X 4..

Yeah just like 720p vs 1080p is irrelevant when is PS4 vs xbox one,but when it was PC vs consoles it matter,you hermits are bunch of hypocrites many of you..

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#93 tormentos
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@Bishop1310 said:

@draign said:

Why does Sony hate anti-aliasing? Could this be the difference between Sony and MS multiplats?

I've also heard that the X1 does a bit of a better job with AA.. not sure why but It won't only be sony's console that has trouble with it. AA is expensive and demanding even on high end computers. Personally I'd like to see games in 1080p on my x1 and ps4 then 800p with AA.. Or depending on how well Devs get with the upscaler on both consoles I could live with 900p upscaled.

Either way it's too bad we even have to have this discussion.. Microsoft and Sony should have done a better job in terms of hardware.. I would have paid $599 for a much more powerful console.

Where do you get that from.?

BF4 is horribly jaggified,so is AC4 the PS4 can run the same AA process the xbox one can,but do them better,MSAA is not the same as FXAA which is cheap and doesn't have the same effect,MSAA is demanding but give you better quality image.

In Fact in the 7850 in 1080p BF3 with FXAA the games runs at 64 FPS on Ultra quality,with MSAA X 4 it runs at 40 FPS with the same settings,a 24 FPS hit just by enabling MSAA X 4 instead of FXAA,so if they are choosing to go with it is because they care more about quality of the end product.

Just to give you an example the 7770 run BF3 on 1080p ultra quality with FXAA and get 41 FPS,so imaging a 24 FPS hit by MSAA X 4 on it,it would make game unplayable,the xbox one has basically the power of a 7770,little less in fact.

@draign said:

Why does Sony hate anti-aliasing? Could this be the difference between Sony and MS multiplats?

Who say sony hate AA.? In fact is you apply right now MSAA X 4 at xbox one games it would make basically all unplayable any game that is 30 FPS will drop like to 8 FPS,and any 60 FPS game will drop to like 36,games like BF4 which run mostly at 50FPS with spikes will run at 26 or less frames per second MSAA x 4 has a nasty hit to performance.

@chikenfriedrice said:

Too bad the PS4 isn't powerful enough to make that happen at 60FPS, after all that is the true definition of next gen gaming.

The xbox one can't even do it at 30...lol

1080p and MSAA X 4 is something you will not see on xbox one ever,unless the game is Pac man or asteroids..lol

@seanmcloughlin said:

Celebrating stuff that should be common in a 2014 video game. It' s nice and all but how long have these been an option in PC games?

But of course that doesn't matter until cows get a taste of it right?

Irrelevant when 95% of PC out there or way more can't even run BF4 with FXAA let alone MSAA X 4..

Yeah just like 720p vs 1080p is irrelevant when is PS4 vs xbox one,but when it was PC vs consoles it matter,you hermits are bunch of hypocrites many of you..

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@kuu2 said:

Ha, even the devs don't know what 1080p is.......Smdh.

Black bars count as game play I guess. Derp.......

But the resolution inside those black bars is 1920 x800p,the pixels are not been blown up like it happen with Ryse and any xbox one that isn't 1080p native,so you get 1080p with black bars but the image still is 1920x800 and the image is not been upscale so the image doesn't get blur idiot...

By the way if they let the game in 1080p the black bars will be gone troll.

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1920x800 at a steady 30 fps with 4x AA considering this game will have better graphics than Shadow Fall sounds good to me.

The game will look the same as any game running at 1080p, its just the black bars. I think the bars are cool, it makes it feel like an old movie :)

The order looks like a slow paced game. This not Battlefield or COD, 30 fps is perfect for slow movie type games as long there are no drops.

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@sts106mat said:

lol i went cross eyed reading that shit.

the black bars are also a pile of shit.

they do nothing for gaming they have no place in a game.

i couldn't play dragons dogma because of the forced black bars.

People will be massively put off by them being forced.

Is pretty simple for smart people.

The game is 1920x800p,but some morons are trying to act like this game is upscale to 1080p when it really isn't,the complete image with black bars and all is 1080p,inside the black bars the resolution is 1920x800p.which mean it is running native 1920x800p without the pixels been stretch.

End result is you get crisper image than you will get if you actually stretch the pixels,900p upscale to 1080p look better than 720p upscale to 1080p because there is less stretching of the image,Ryse is 900p,but it doesn't display on your TV at 1680x900p it does so at 1920x1080p so you get some blur into the picture.

I don't have a problem with blackbars didn't have it for RE4 which was also a 3rd person shooter.