The PC is Dying -- COMPUTERWORLD

So, the 360 exclusives list has gone to

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Skyrim DLC (timed exclusive)
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Akai Katana Shin (exclusive)
Deadlight (exclusive)

Meh. PC shippments in 2011 still were bigger than in 2010, even with the catastrophical HD shortages and they will continue to grow in 2012.

Anyway..how can it affect me? Well.. all Apple has been doing in recent years doesn't seem to be don't having much effect on PCgaming, considering just how fast it's growing these days despite the rise of mobile. I guess as smartphones and tablets grow in power I'm seeing more iOS games being ported. That's cool and I hope it will continue to grow.

Other than that though, I don't think anything they do will actually affect me all that much in next few years. I would bet Apple is much bigger threat to consolde industry than to PC gaming.

If and when then provide a product or service that provides and equal or greater experience for gaming to me i will gladly embrace what they offer.eNT1TY

This is about non-enthusiast, non-gaming PC sales so why should we care?

It's not relevant to me right now because I have no need for an iPad and no interest in the games on it.

Maybe in the future, but who knows?

Here's the thing. If PC dies imma die too. Won't be enough left in the world to sustain me.

I do adore my PC, but I'm not so close-minded that I wouldn't consider buying a new product if it were to be available. I do enjoy some Apple products such as the IPad, which has a ton of great features to use on the go but I don't personally own one, can't go on long drives without my IPod either. Apple has comepletely captivated the average consumer with the innovation of their App store. Who's to say they couldn't capture the "hardcore" market if given the right opportunity?

Given their incredible amount of surplus profit, they could very easily secure a place for themselves in the console race if they wanted, and secure reliable support for their product. A new Apple product on the market? It would probably sell on brand name alone.

If and when that day comes, I will gladly try out and give judgement on that product. Whether it be labeled as casual crap or whatever nonsense, I'm a gamer and I play games as a hobby. If Apple delivers something that I find truly enjoyable and worth my cash, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

and tablets and pads and whatnot cannot replicate a desktop in any way, and they cannot replace desktops used in the workplace or those used to create graphics, games, and other media.

Think if it this way...you have a bunch of ignorant folk on the internet, especially this forum, who say desktops and large computers will die and everyone will use small portable ones...

We sent people to the moon and back with massive systems with not much more power than a texas instruments graphing calculator. It's 2012 and we still have massive server farms and huge computers. You cannot fade out large computers because the more you advance this technology, they often stay large for years and years until the time is right where we can easily and cheaply reduce its size

So here's a new spin on an old, old, old thread. According to Computerworld, the PC is dying! But there's a catch --

The Mac and iPad are not. SOURCE

Now I don't agree with everything here in this article, and I don't pretend to propagate the idea that the PC is actually dying, because that requires defining exactly what "dying" is. However, it's hard not to look at those numbers and come to a couple basic conclusions-

1. iPad sales are unbelievably strong, so strong that iPads outsold iPods in the latest quarter, a product that costs hundreds less.
2. PC sales are down, which would lead one to believe that many casual computer users are spending more time on things like tablets than they are on things like a traditional PC. That means more bodies for developers to create software for, which in turn means more money, especially with a business model like Apple has perfected with their App Store (4 billion dollars made by developers already).

So do your best to ignore the Mac vs PC argument, what I'm talking about is something much larger than that. To make it easy on you, I'm going to lay it all out so you can see exactly what it is I'm getting at.

-- What do you think this means for you, the gamer? WIll this shift in the industry effect you at all? Do you think this is another signal of the changing times?

Apple has reinvented music, reinvented mobile media players, reinvented smartphones, reinvented application distribution, reinvented tablet computing, have just launched an initiative to reinvent textbooks, and are rumored to be reinventing television. What's to stop them from turning towards gaming and digital entertainment? 100 billion plus in the bank, ready to roll, who knows what's going to happen. But the question remains --

How could this effect you?musicalmac

Wow, that computerworld article is filled with so much baseless nonsense and lies. Was the author really that incompetent or did he just decided to mislead his readers for more hits?

Someone get the stupid newzoo chart, quick.

Errr Mac this is a piece of ridiculous apple propaganda.

A blog written by a self-confessed "Apple Holic", extolling the Apples brave new world. The spin he puts on it is hilarious, saying that apple beat off the android entry, when in fact real news orgainisations are reporting the exact opposite ( ie http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16736609 "The Android operating system's share of the global tablet computer market has risen sharply at the expense of Apple's iOS, research suggests." )

Its just damage control

EDIT in regards to gaming its taken the free to play, then r*pe people with dlc and pay forbonuses to a whole new level.

Wow, that computerworld article is filled with so much baseless nonsense and lies. Was the author really that incompetent or did he just decided to mislead his readers for more hits?

AdrianWerner

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Wow, that computerworld article is filled with so much baseless nonsense and lies. Was the author really that incompetent or did he just decided to mislead his readers for more hits?

blue_hazy_basic

Errr Mac this is a piece of ridiculous apple propaganda.

blue_hazy_basic

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Wow, that computerworld article is filled with so much baseless nonsense and lies. Was the author really that incompetent or did he just decided to mislead his readers for more hits?

Errr Mac this is a piece of ridiculous apple propaganda.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Hes an apple diehard trying to distort the facts.musicalmac

I think the guys at Valve might beg to differ

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Hes an apple diehard trying to distort the facts.musicalmac

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Hes an apple diehard trying to distort the facts.musicalmac

PC sales are still strong. I think that tablets/mobile gaming hurts consoles more than PC.

Is your sig from Event Horizon? I know it is just a phrase in Latin, but... you know what I mean.

"[ABOVE:Can you take an iPad and utterly destroy it? Sadly, so far, Apple's enemies just need to watch this clip repeatedly and wish really, really, really hard.]"

well, at least he can pass off as a SW poster. Congrats to the author on that accomplishment.

PC sales will be going to tablet devices for casual users. Mac has seen its popularity soar since Apple found incredible popularity in the tablet market. PC gaming on the otherhand has been spiralling upwards since 2009. The world is a mysterious place.

The nature and interfaces of personal computing are obviously changing, and the typical x86 PC could change with it, or continue to exist on it's own tangent. There is still a need for stationary mobile workstations that are not bound by the limits of mobility. Couple that to the continued need for servers, and you can still have a single general type of computing hardware that can serve multiple needs and computing types. That's why I'm pining for x86 on tablets. MS obviously is aware that the CPU game could change and they certainly want a part of the mobile computing pie that is made up of tablets and phones. At least that common part of the x86 computing experience is still poised to remain. Hell even Android has been ported to x86, with special optimizations for at least AMD's low end APUs like Zacate and Ontario, which are generally much better CPU wise than any available ARM processor, and depending on the version, are graphically more capable by a long shot.

So MS Windows being available to ARM....

Google Android being available to x86....

Kind of interesting huh? It seems like we're going to have a more varied market in general. I'm wondering when Apple will follow suit and create a common OS for both it's computers and their phones. It's completely plausible that Apple might want to create ARM based laptops and iMacs, to really create common computing platforms, but that would leave their Mac Pros out in the open. However Mac Pros are a whole 'nother level and type of computing and their is no reason for dragging Mac Pros down to ARM unless ARMs manage to actually catch up to Intel Xeons overnight (of which Mac Pros can have 2 six-cores).

It is worthy of note that Nvidia is soon to make available their CARMA ARM + CUDA computing/Graphics devkit, with Nvidia CUDA processors + ARM being the basis of a new supercomputer in Barcelona IIRC.

PC won't "die" but I think more people will get tablets or netbooks/laptops instead of desktops in the future. The people who will still get desktops are the ones who want power, i.e. 3D designers and gamers.

What does that mean for PC gaming? Well, I think it means that PC gaming in the future will largly consist of cross platform games and niche games that won't appeal to everyone because they'll require strong hardware and won't be very accessible. This divide is already happening and it will only "worsen" in the future giving enthusiast PC gamers a sense of prolonged elitism over the casual-oriented consoles and tablets (which is already happening as well).

Altho I wouldn't be that concerned for hardware sales because expensive PC hardware sells like hot cakes despite the industry shift towards multi-platform development.

Not another PC is Dying thread.D=

Not another PC is Dying thread.D=

mitu123

But what if this time it's for real?

j/k :P

What do people even do with ipads? My damn phone has a pull out keypad because I can't stand texting with a touchscreen keyboard.

What do people even do with ipads? My damn phone has a pull out keypad because I can't stand texting with a touchscreen keyboard.

topgunmv

Tablets are slowly taking over.

Soon they'll replace Laptops. And maybe to some degree, significantly eat up the PC market.

I'll give it at least 10 years when the Tablet market has significantly taken a huge chunk from the PC market.

This means that people who only use PCs for basic internet browsing are switching to smart phones/tablets. Which doesn't affect PC gaming, since those people aren't gamers, and probably were the guys buying junk PCs.

"[ABOVE:Can you take an iPad and utterly destroy it? Sadly, so far, Apple's enemies just need to watch this clip repeatedly and wish really, really, really hard.]"

well, at least he can pass off as a SW poster. Congrats to the author on that accomplishment.

Ugh, what a terrible article. It really does come across as an Apple propaganda piece. Just to be clear, I do think that we're going to be seeing significant changes to PC's, Consoles and other forms of gaming in the next dace or so. I just don't think the article succeeded in making a coherent argument for that change.

A couple of points:

- Growth of Tablets does not equal a decline in PC sales. You cannot logically assume that the fact that a lot of people are buying tablets means that people will stop buying or using 'traditional' PC's.

- Whether PC sales are down appears to depend somewhat on how you decide to measure PC sales, I've seen articles claim either. But trying to make the argument that Windows based PC's are dying while Macs are taking over is just silly when the same article explains that mac's hold just over a 10% market share. That like claiming that the Vita is destroying the 3DS by selling 1/10th as many machines as the 3DS.

- It conveniently ignores the realities of today's market. Right now most westerners do not yet have a tablet while most people have at least one PC. Tablets are the new hot thing while everyone is fairly well stocked in terms of PC's. PC sales are driven largely by consumers who need (or want to) to replace their PC. Whereas the tablets still have the advantage of hundreds of millions of consumers who've yet to have a tablet. The more the tablet market gets saturated, the harder it will be to maintain the sales we're seeing right now.

- Tablets and smart phones cannot replace the PC (or the consoles) yet for the simple reason that they are not yet able to replace the PC's and Consoles. The reason? They don't provide a comparable functionality. Tablets will need to evolve into a product that can replace the functionality offered by the PC's before they can realistically replace them.

My PC isn't even turning on! :cry:

the casual market may well shift.

The hardcore one probably wont, since they tend to come of as stubborn beasts especially on this board.

PC has been dying for almost a decade now.

Fact is it's still the best for power users.

Macs are cool for artsy stuff.

Consoles are cool for games.

But with PC you can literally do anything from playing games to running a nuclear power plant.

I'm a big fan of consoles but if I could pick only 1 piece of tech, it would be a PC without question, because it's the ultimate swiss army knife of electronics.

Concerning Apple and the iPad, I think Razor should have developed a tablet to take on the iPad. They are one of the few companies that I think can create an image for their products as well as Apple. They need to lose the controllers on the side, allow for access to the android market, and market it as the cool thing to have for Apple haters. They'll eat it up no different than the blind Apple fanboys.

PCs aren't going anywhere. There are way too many things that you do on the PC that you cannot do on your iPad like write long papers, game with kb/m, business applications, website production, etc...

consoles are getting more unified and are becoming "entertainment systems" rather than production systems like the PC.

So here's a new spin on an old, old, old thread. According to Computerworld, the PC is dying! But there's a catch --

The Mac and iPad are not.

Now I don't agree with everything here in this article, and I don't pretend to propagate the idea that the PC is actually dying, because that requires defining exactly what "dying" is. However, it's hard not to look at those numbers and come to a couple basic conclusions-

1. iPad sales are unbelievably strong, so strong that iPads outsold iPods in the latest quarter, a product that costs hundreds less.
2. PC sales are down, which would lead one to believe that many casual computer users are spending more time on things like tablets than they are on things like a traditional PC. That means more bodies for developers to create software for, which in turn means more money, especially with a business model like Apple has perfected with their App Store (4 billion dollars made by developers already).

So do your best to ignore the Mac vs PC argument, what I'm talking about is something much larger than that. To make it easy on you, I'm going to lay it all out so you can see exactly what it is I'm getting at.

-- What do you think this means for you, the gamer? WIll this shift in the industry effect you at all? Do you think this is another signal of the changing times?

Apple has reinvented music, reinvented mobile media players, reinvented smartphones, reinvented application distribution, reinvented tablet computing, have just launched an initiative to reinvent textbooks, and are rumored to be reinventing television. What's to stop them from turning towards gaming and digital entertainment? 100 billion plus in the bank, ready to roll, who knows what's going to happen. But the question remains --

How could this effect you?musicalmac

PC sales are probably down because people aren't buying the prefab garbage anymore, hopefully. iKILLnerds