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http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

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#2 GnR-SLaSh
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Coool will go read now, First btw =]

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#3 thrones
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Haha, I totally understand that. It's totally great, hah, hah, hah...

What the **** did that mean?

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#4 BreakingPoint8
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I can't wait for more EAAA games like Motorstorm. This article from 2006 has opened my eyes to all the POWA.
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#5 br0kenrabbit
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Avoid PPE pre-accesses to large data sets, so that most SPE-initiated data transfers come from system memory, instead of the PPE's L2 cache. So they're suggesting avoiding the L2 cache. And I thought the at-speed L2 cache was a strong point. Guess not.
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HDD exclusive, you are really desperate. Or trying to be funny.
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#7 thrones
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Avoid PPE pre-accesses to large data sets, so that most SPE-initiated data transfers come from system memory, instead of the PPE's L2 cache. So they're suggesting avoiding the L2 cache. And I thought the at-speed L2 cache was a strong point. Guess not.br0kenrabbit

IBM probably knows better than most people :|

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GTA4 (hdd exclusive)

iamthetruth55

you have got to be kidding me. :lol:

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#9 arabi_89
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YAY! PS3 WON!.... whats the use of the cell if developers dont have the tools to make full use of it and make great games :-?

Edit : most fanboys on SW wont understand 10% of that

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http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

iamthetruth55

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why are you posting this like it's new information?

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#11 br0kenrabbit
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The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done the long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.
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#12 deactivated-5f956b96dc672
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[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

GTA4 (hdd exclusive)

Pro_wrestler

you have got to be kidding me. :lol:

thats where i stopped

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#13 Holden1985
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The cell is a flop failed to meet the hype

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"Unlike conventional processors, near theoretical-maximum performance can be achieved for real applications on the Cell Broadband Engine processor. However, the programmer, code generation tools, or both must be aware of the architectural characteristics of the processor to achieve optimal performance."

I see were cows get their 'just wait' jargon..its embeded within them on a DNA level, wow.

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#15 arabi_89
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[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

Dreams-Visions

27 Jun 2006

why are you posting this like it's new information?

I dont think he meant as if its something new, he says its a good read tho

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#16 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

arabi_89

27 Jun 2006

why are you posting this like it's new information?

I dont think he meant as if its something new, he says its a good read tho

I forgot...so many new faces here...to you all, this is news. ok.

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The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done Ythe long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.br0kenrabbit

You seem to know your coding and processors. what i have to say to that is The developers were lazy in the beginning and didn't know what to do with the cell's complex power. Now that they have a guideline to figure it out the games will come rolling off the shelves. I'm excited for what could be at store for such a powerhouse as SONY.

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[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

GTA4 (hdd exclusive)

Awinagainov

you have got to be kidding me. :lol:

thats where i stopped

thats not what you are supposed to be reading...

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#19 mattbbpl
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Didn't I read this 2 years ago?
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#20 arabi_89
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[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

Dreams-Visions

27 Jun 2006

why are you posting this like it's new information?

I dont think he meant as if its something new, he says its a good read tho

I forgot...so many new faces here...to you all, this is news. ok.

wow i didnt know there are so many people surfing the net from morning to night and reading everything without missing an article...

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#21 Dreams-Visions
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honestly, all this jargon is what got Cows into trouble in 2006.

People hyped themselves up on "potential". Which was followed by "...just wait."

In reality, a console is only as powerful as developers have the ability to use. If a car has the ability to handle 1,000HP, but the available grade of gasoline only allows for 800HP, it doesn't matter what is *possible*. Won't affect the real life experience.

The reality of the analogy is quite clear: no matter how much potential the PS3 has, if developers are unable to take advantage of it (some developers would contest that they have and there's just not as much there as was once believed for gaming) for whatever reason, what it *can* do won't matter to gamers, as they'll see and enjoy no benefits of said potential.

Let there be no confusion: you can't play potential.

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done Ythe long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.iamthetruth55

You seem to know your coding and processors. what i have to say to that is The developers were lazy in the beginning and didn't know what to do with the cell's complex power. Now that they have a guideline to figure it out the games will come rolling off the shelves. I'm excited for what could be at store for such a powerhouse as SONY.

It's just funny that Sony and IBM go so far out of the way to make a processor with all these little nooks and crannies that they claim will give it an edge, and then in their own white papers suggest working around these very same nooks and crannies to better performance. But then again, weren't we suppose to be using the Emotion Engine in everything from TVs, Cell Phones to Shoes by now? And wasn't 'The Cell' suppose to follow suit? Yeah, not going to happen. The Cell was a good idea on paper that just doesn't work the same way in practice. Not saying it's a bad chip, it's just not performing as it was hyped to, and it's 'special architecture' in some cases, as above, seems to work against it.
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#23 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

arabi_89

27 Jun 2006

why are you posting this like it's new information?

I dont think he meant as if its something new, he says its a good read tho

I forgot...so many new faces here...to you all, this is news. ok.

wow i didnt know there are so many people surfing the net from morning to night and reading everything without missing an article...

You weren't here in 2006, apparently. Believe it or not, every possible article about Cell was located and posted. Whether people found them on IBM's website or found tem on Beyond3D or some other forum and brought them here, they've all been posted, dissected and discussed.

But for those who weren't here then...I guess the process will start all over again.

Don't let me stop you. if it's new to you, knock yourself out.

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Only problem is the time it takes too fully use the cells power..

I wonder if any dev is rdy to spend millions upon millions of dollars to do so..

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done Ythe long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.iamthetruth55

You seem to know your coding and processors. what i have to say to that is The developers were lazy in the beginning and didn't know what to do with the cell's complex power. Now that they have a guideline to figure it out the games will come rolling off the shelves. I'm excited for what could be at store for such a powerhouse as SONY.

Lazy? Or maybe Cell isn't the second coming of Christ as previously hyped?

"I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see."
-Hideous Kojima on MGS4

http://kotaku.com/381412/kojima-disappointed-with-metal-gear-solid-4

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#26 Dreams-Visions
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Only problem is the time it takes too fully use the cells power..

I wonder if any dev is rdy to spend millions upon millions of dollars to do so..

omgimba

90% of devs do not have those kinds of resources. Some 1st party devs have been given that kind of opportunity (Geurilla, Polyphony)...and a few 3rd party devs have those kinds of funds (SquareEnix), but the number of devs that qualify financially are very few.

the risk-reward ratio is uninspiring as well.

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done Ythe long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.iamthetruth55

You seem to know your coding and processors. what i have to say to that is The developers were lazy in the beginning and didn't know what to do with the cell's complex power. Now that they have a guideline to figure it out the games will come rolling off the shelves. I'm excited for what could be at store for such a powerhouse as SONY.

Game creation quicken's as a generation progresses for all platforms because developers become more acquainted with the tools available, the tools themselves become better, and they can reuse code from previous projects. I think whas Sony needs to be concerned with is that there are few reasons to choose the PS3 as an exclusive platform than either the Wii or the 360 which both have larger fanbases. The 360's lead is beginning to slowly whittle away, but it still has a sizable lead that will eat into the developer's bottom line.

Meanwhile, both the 360 and Wii are easier to develop for and the 360's code ports easily to the PC.

It's not doom and gloom for Sony, but neither are they in a position where all the developers will suddenly start pouring all of their projects into the PS3.

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#28 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done Ythe long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.Pro_wrestler

You seem to know your coding and processors. what i have to say to that is The developers were lazy in the beginning and didn't know what to do with the cell's complex power. Now that they have a guideline to figure it out the games will come rolling off the shelves. I'm excited for what could be at store for such a powerhouse as SONY.

Lazy? Or maybe Cell isn't the second coming of Christ as previously hyped?

"I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see."
-Hideous Kojima on MGS4

http://kotaku.com/381412/kojima-disappointed-with-metal-gear-solid-4

Cell wasn't designed for gaming, so it's no surprise that it's not a gaming Godsend.

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in terms of textures it's about what it can do now
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[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

Dreams-Visions

27 Jun 2006

why are you posting this like it's new information?

I dont think he meant as if its something new, he says its a good read tho

I forgot...so many new faces here...to you all, this is news. ok.

wow i didnt know there are so many people surfing the net from morning to night and reading everything without missing an article...

You weren't here in 2006, apparently. Believe it or not, every possible article about Cell was located and posted. Whether people found them on IBM's website or found tem on Beyond3D or some other forum and brought them here, they've all been posted, dissected and discussed.

But for those who weren't here then...I guess the process will start all over again.

Don't let me stop you. if it's new to you, knock yourself out.

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need more ?:lol:

edit: that doesnt mean people can't rediscuss a topic.

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I don't get what you mean by GTAIV being exclusive, but okay.
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The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done the long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.br0kenrabbit

i have no idea what you just said, seriously.

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need more ?:lol:

arabi_89

with barely 1,000 posts in almost 2 years, you probably weren't here very often. you couldn't have been hanging around here consistently and missed the Cell mega threads. Sorry. Your join date means nothing.

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#34 arabi_89
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[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

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need more ?:lol:

Dreams-Visions

with barely 1,000 posts in almost 2 years, you probably weren't here very often. you couldn't have been hanging around here consistently and missed the Cell mega threads. Sorry. Your join date means nothing.

your reasoning makes no sense, you are just making your situation worse. Honestly if i were you i would shut up :P.

its better to say 1 good/useful thing than discussing and arguing like a fanboy and posting 100 things.

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#36 br0kenrabbit
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]The Cell can't branch for crap. 18-19 missed cycles for a wrong prediction? Holy crap! So instead of having nice, neat and compact branching code, it's gotta be done the long-way around per statement. No wonder PS3 games take so long to make.thegoldenpoo

i have no idea what you just said, seriously.

The short of it: The Cell isn't very efficient.
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#37 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

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need more ?:lol:

arabi_89

with barely 1,000 posts in almost 2 years, you probably weren't here very often. you couldn't have been hanging around here consistently and missed the Cell mega threads. Sorry. Your join date means nothing.

your reasoning makes no sense, you are just making your situation worse. Honestly if i were you i would shut up :P.

its better to say 1 good/useful thing than discussing and arguing like a fanboy and posting 100 things.

Say what? And what does "fanboyism" have to do with anything? What are you talking about now?

I said this was clearly old news. I said this has been posted many times before and discussed. I said if you had been here then, you would have known that.

You post a join date, as if that means you've seen everything, been here every day, and seen as much as I have?

Try again.

If this information is new to you, you've not been posting here long enough. Period. Everything about Cell has been discussed ad infinitum. If you think System Wars would miss a gem like this pre-PS3 launch to hype it up even more, you're simply wrong.

Nothing to do with fanboyism, your join date or anything else.

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#38 slickchris7777
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What's the point if very few support it.
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#39 Dreams-Visions
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What's the point if very few support it.slickchris7777
only if you had been here in mid '06 when this article came out...when Cows still had much hope in the potential.

Your comment as a future PS3 owner would simply have not existed...or would have been met with much Cow venom.

How times change.

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http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celltips1/

This shows that the cells power hasn't even been FULLY utilized... I can't wait for the GREAT exclusive games to come out like MGS4, FF13, GTA4 (hdd exclusive), kill zone 2, and resistence 2. Not to mention the other great EAAA games out like resistance 1, motostorm, and oblivion. With this new information on how to utilize the PS3 it's pretty scary what they can do. Oh and by EAAA i'm going off some other websites. What do you all think of this break through in the cell?

iamthetruth55

I like the date ... june 2006...

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#41 ChinoJamesKeene
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This article is pretty irrelevant, Hideo Kojima claimed MGS4 has already maxed out the Cell and that he's had to cut features from the original vision of the game because of hardware limits.

It's a technical discussion on methods of working with the cell, but it doesn't state what applications it's being used for.

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#42 arabi_89
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[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

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need more ?:lol:

Dreams-Visions

with barely 1,000 posts in almost 2 years, you probably weren't here very often. you couldn't have been hanging around here consistently and missed the Cell mega threads. Sorry. Your join date means nothing.

your reasoning makes no sense, you are just making your situation worse. Honestly if i were you i would shut up :P.

its better to say 1 good/useful thing than discussing and arguing like a fanboy and posting 100 things.

Say what? And what does "fanboyism" have to do with anything? What are you talking about now?

I said this was clearly old news. I said this has been posted many times before and discussed. I said if you had been here then, you would have known that.

You post a join date, as if that means you've seen everything, been here every day, and seen as much as I have?

Try again.

If this information is new to you, you've not been posting here long enough. Period. Everything about Cell has been discussed ad infinitum. If you think System Wars would miss a gem like this pre-PS3 launch to hype it up even more, you're simply wrong.

Nothing to do with fanboyism, your join date or anything else.

SO let me guess you are the 16 year old boy who knows everything?

1st. Old news can be rediscussed and there is no rule in SW that forbids this.

2nd. Discussing about your general knowledge and mine and if i "seen as much as u have" i am not discussing that cuz its simply childish and even if you are 30 and u said that, u really need to go outside and hang out with smart people older than you.

3rd. You dont even know if this is news to me, you just make an assumption, and u attacked me because i defended TC and his right to discuss this and what he said "good read".

4th. You just base your arguement on assumptions, yes i know how system wars works and trust me i've been here for a long time, but that doesnt mean i should post like an idiot who got a new keyboard.

My join date proves that i've been here in 2006. i guess you need some knowledge before starting an arguement that you dont want to be humiliated in.... thats it :P have fun.

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#43 Sgt_Grig
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zomg!!!! teh hidden powwaaa!!!
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#44 Jipset
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wow i didnt know there are so many people surfing the net from morning to night and reading everything without missing an article...

The articles 2 years old, and by the time they fully unlock "Teh powa of the cell" we're gonna be playing ps4!

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#45 o0squishy0o
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guess you guys should see the interview with the guy who is doing MGS4 how they over estimated the PS3's potentional i would link it but ive lost it lol

anyway pcs are more powerfull so its pretty pointless lol

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#46 arabi_89
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The articles 2 years old, and by the time they fully unlock "Teh powa of the cell" we're gonna be playing ps4!

Jipset

well devs and sony should make some work otherwise what you say will be true...

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#48 PAL360
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GTA4 HDD exclusive?

Why need cows to lie all the time when they are trying to justify thir purshase?

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#49 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

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need more ?:lol:

arabi_89

with barely 1,000 posts in almost 2 years, you probably weren't here very often. you couldn't have been hanging around here consistently and missed the Cell mega threads. Sorry. Your join date means nothing.

your reasoning makes no sense, you are just making your situation worse. Honestly if i were you i would shut up :P.

its better to say 1 good/useful thing than discussing and arguing like a fanboy and posting 100 things.

Say what? And what does "fanboyism" have to do with anything? What are you talking about now?

I said this was clearly old news. I said this has been posted many times before and discussed. I said if you had been here then, you would have known that.

You post a join date, as if that means you've seen everything, been here every day, and seen as much as I have?

Try again.

If this information is new to you, you've not been posting here long enough. Period. Everything about Cell has been discussed ad infinitum. If you think System Wars would miss a gem like this pre-PS3 launch to hype it up even more, you're simply wrong.

Nothing to do with fanboyism, your join date or anything else.

SO let me guess you are the 16 year old boy who knows everything?

1st. Old news can be rediscussed and there is no rule in SW that forbids this.

2nd. Discussing about your general knowledge and mine and if i "seen as much as u have" i am not discussing that cuz its simply childish and even if you are 30 and u said that, u really need to go outside and hang out with smart people older than you.

3rd. You dont even know if this is news to me, you just make an assumption, and u attacked me because i defended TC and his right to discuss this and what he said "good read".

4th. You just base your arguement on assumptions, yes i know how system wars works and trust me i've been here for a long time, but that doesnt mean i should post like an idiot who got a new keyboard.

My join date proves that i've been here in 2006. i guess you need some knowledge before starting an arguement that you dont want to be humiliated in.... thats it :P have fun.

0.) Keep the talking down to me. Your attitude contines to show that you don't know who I am or my history. Your 1,000 posts in 2 years speak even louder to this fact.

1.) My first reply to you was

I forgot...so many new faces here...to you all, this is news. ok.

So what's your point? Am I trying to halt discussion by saying it's old? When I very early on said, "ok" and engaged regular converstaion? You fail.

2.) You're just not listening. If you haven't seen this discussed here before, you've just not been here long enough. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a statement of fact. This was discussed all throughout 2005 and 2006 leading up to and through the launch of the PS3. The problem is that you can't seem to swallow that reality.

3.) I don't really care if it's news to you. The fact is that it's old and I have no problem with people talking about it again because, as I said earlier, there are so many new faces here (as in, people who weren't here in 2006), it's bound to happen. Doesn't make the news any less moldy. But I'm not trying to stop the conversation anyway.

4.) What assumptions am I making? The only assumption I made is that you must not have seen this before. If you have seen it before....and simply prefer to act as if you've NEVER seen it before...as if it's NEVER been talked about here...then fine. Do what you do. If you in fact HAVE seen it before...who cares? It's neither here nor there and this whole tangential conversation is worthless. I couldn't care less if you've seen it before...though you probably haven't, you'll lie before admitting it because you've taken this personally.

5.) Your join date proves when you created your Gamespot account. Did you create the account and make a Bee line straight for System Wars? Or were you like most people, who make an account to get access to videos or some such...and only found yourself here a year AFTER said join date? How would I know you didn't spend 90% of your time in the Sports forum? Maybe the PS3 forum? Why would I presume you spent your time here, in System Wars? To be honest, I barely even rememer your name. and clearly, my 18,000 posts have seen many names, avatars, and posters.

I'm done with this conversation because it has run its course. Next time take yourself less seriously and don't get so offended that someone might suggest that an article is old just because it's new to you. I didn't pee on the thread; I said "okay" and engaged conversation. You decided to post your join date as if that proves something to someone who's been here regularly for years. And the talking down thing? That's not how we do things here. I've not spoken down to you; I expect the same respect. I also expect honestly...but I don't suspect I'll get any of that from you because you feel there's a debate to be "won" or "lost" at this point, when there isn't.

You want some facts before I finish talking to you? Here they are:

a.) This article is VERY OLD. 2006 old.

b.) This article is OLD to System Wars.

c.) You've acted like this news was new and seemed to get easily offended at the notion of point #2.

d.) I've not attemtped to stop conversation. In fact, all of my posts quoting every BUT you have been about the subject at hand. But you wanted to take this course of converstion.

e.) Proclaiming me to be a "16 year old boy", asking me to "shut up" and suggesting I'm "a fanboy"...then attempting to talk down to me won't score you any points here. Save it for the kids. I'm not a fanboy. I'm a straight-shooter that isn't going to compromise his opinion or placate to other fanboys who feel anything said that may be perceived as negative about their chosen console means they must be against said console. Of course, if you posted here more, you'd know all of that. I, unlike you, are not a new or irregular face.

BTW, Those kinds of comments get people banned around here.

f.) I'm going back to discussing the matter at hand. You know...the one I didn't try to stop.

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#50 Blitz_Nemesis
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[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]

GTA4 (hdd exclusive)

Pro_wrestler

you have got to be kidding me. :lol:

:lol:im a cow and even found that part funny