The power of the PS3 and Cell

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="casey133"]

1. By who? Who are "alot of people"?

2. I read the post "maximum theoretical numbers" thanks you, but I could not find where it said the 360 has a better GPU.

casey133

OMG, are you serious? fanboy much?

Let me break it down for you:

The Xenos uses USA that allows it to run at 95 - 99% efficiency, I'm sure you can put those theoretical numbers and the 95-99% efficiency together.

The RSX is a G7 GPU, which has an efficiency of around 75%, do the math, you'd be surprised what you'll come up with.

Sorry but you didn't really answer my questions. Seeing as how "efficiency" means the ratio of the output to the input, you fail to consider the quality of that output. I would rather have a person who did better work even if it took longer, than have someone who tried to hurry up and get it done but not do as good of a job as the first one.

So my questions still remain, who are "alot of people" and where in that link did it say the 360 has a better GPU?

Efficiency is the ratio of maximum power to actual output. Nice try though.

My god, you're really grasping for straws here, if the numbers themselves don't say it, than your fanboy goggles are VERY thick, I'm not going to dig through web sites to find a dev to prove my point, I have already provided the proof and all you've done is deny it because you can't see past the fanboyness in your head.

You know what, heres one.

And another.

I read both articles from start to end, the first article does not say the 360 GPU is better than that of the PS3, it simply says it's more flexible.

The second article does claim the 360 GPU is more powerful, this claim is made by an anonymous person who claims to be a developer who also even admits that what he said was his "personal feelings".

Is this your "alot of people"? One anonymous person who claims to be a developer and also admits what he is writing is based on his "personal feelings"?

I don't think I'm the one grasping for straws.

PS:

Efficiency:

S: (n) efficiency (the ratio of the output to the input of any system) - wordnet.princeton.edu.

And what did I say it meant above again? "the ratio of the output to the input".

Nice try though.

Efficiency: the state or quality of being efficient; competency in performance.

The definition of efficiency varies depending on the subject, and in this subject, its toward maximum power to output, otherwise known as performance.

Of course the developer is going to be anonymous, he didn't want any backlash.

In the end it doesn't matter, because wether you want to face it or not, you're wrong, this is not an opinion, you are plain wrong, you can keep thinking you know what you're talking about, but I'll tell you right now, you have no idea how any of this works and its obvious even if you did, your too much of a fanboy to admit it. You seriously make Cows look bad, most cows don't even argue this.

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

[QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="casey133"]

1. By who? Who are "alot of people"?

2. I read the post "maximum theoretical numbers" thanks you, but I could not find where it said the 360 has a better GPU.

Nagidar

OMG, are you serious? fanboy much?

Let me break it down for you:

The Xenos uses USA that allows it to run at 95 - 99% efficiency, I'm sure you can put those theoretical numbers and the 95-99% efficiency together.

The RSX is a G7 GPU, which has an efficiency of around 75%, do the math, you'd be surprised what you'll come up with.

Sorry but you didn't really answer my questions. Seeing as how "efficiency" means the ratio of the output to the input, you fail to consider the quality of that output. I would rather have a person who did better work even if it took longer, than have someone who tried to hurry up and get it done but not do as good of a job as the first one.

So my questions still remain, who are "alot of people" and where in that link did it say the 360 has a better GPU?

Efficiency is the ratio of maximum power to actual output. Nice try though.

My god, you're really grasping for straws here, if the numbers themselves don't say it, than your fanboy goggles are VERY thick, I'm not going to dig through web sites to find a dev to prove my point, I have already provided the proof and all you've done is deny it because you can't see past the fanboyness in your head.

You know what, heres one.

And another.

I read both articles from start to end, the first article does not say the 360 GPU is better than that of the PS3, it simply says it's more flexible.

The second article does claim the 360 GPU is more powerful, this claim is made by an anonymous person who claims to be a developer who also even admits that what he said was his "personal feelings".

Is this your "alot of people"? One anonymous person who claims to be a developer and also admits what he is writing is based on his "personal feelings"?

I don't think I'm the one grasping for straws.

PS:

Efficiency:

S: (n) efficiency (the ratio of the output to the input of any system) - wordnet.princeton.edu.

And what did I say it meant above again? "the ratio of the output to the input".

Nice try though.

Efficiency: the state or quality of being efficient; competency in performance.

The definition of efficiency varies depending on the subject, and in this subject, its toward maximum power to output, otherwise known as performance.

Of course the developer is going to be anonymous, he didn't want any backlash.

In the end it doesn't matter, because wether you want to face it or not, you're wrong, this is not an opinion, you are plain wrong, you can keep thinking you know what you're talking about, but I'll tell you right now, you have no idea how any of this works and its obvious even if you did, your too much of a fanboy to admit it. You seriously make Cows look bad, most cows don't even argue this.

And your backlash argument doesn't hold water, the developers who said it was not the case that the 360 GPU was more powerful than the PS3 did not even try to be anonymous and they have not had any backlash from saying that.

And where did I say I was right? I simply referred to a statement made by the developers of Burnout, you then posted saying it was already proven otherwise, I asked for sources and you have yet to backup your "alot of people" argument or provide sources.

I never set out to be "right" but it's looking like it may turn out that way after all.

Also, you can keep saying I'm wrong all you want and it's not an opinion, but in fact it's your own opinion until you show otherwise.

You can use the term fan boy all you want but it doesn't change the fact that what I posted was sourced and every question I asked was legitimate, I did not bash any other system nor did I praise the PS3; I simply corrected the post that said the 360 GPU was better than the PS3, basing that correction on two known game developers.

[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. st1ka

is that why PS3 exclusives look about the same as 360 exclusives?

[QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

casey133

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. iamthetruth55

teh cell iz da most pwaful eva, it can maek gamez luk liek rael lyf, ZOMG!!!11!111!

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

tifaz

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

PS2 games held back the power of the Xbox graphics processors.

Whats your point?

Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. iamthetruth55

Not good points, TC.

Recommendation..... Don't make threads until you have at least 100 posts under your belt. It is evident that you haven't read up on much. Most of your points were mere baseless speculation.

[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. Omnisystem

Please read what you just typed and tell me if any of it makes sense at ALL. What does HDD and HDMI have to do with gameplay?

HDD has alot to do with the gaming Rockstar has said that having inbuilt HDD's in all consoles would have made things easier for them. i have seen somewhere that the gta4 on ps3 will include an install where as the xbox360 version will include an optional install depending on if you have the HDD or not. it is there to make the game load quicker and provide streaming off HDD

[QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="casey133"]

"the 360 has a better GPU"

Two devs for Burnout said this was not the case.

Nagidar

Wow, I thought this was all settled, the Xenos > RSX, this was already settled a long time ago....

Two questions:

1. Settled by who?

2. Source?

1. Settled by who?

answer: xbox fanboys

2. Source?

answer: System wars

Corrected

News flash kiddo, PS3 specs are better than xbox360's.

They always have been, they always will be. It was just harder to program for at first, but that's getting more and more obvious now.

[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. StringGuard

Not good points, TC.

Recommendation..... Don't make threads until you have at least 100 posts under your belt. It is evident that you haven't read up on much. Most of your points were mere baseless speculation.

I think his post was done in bad taste too.

it's not that I don't think he's wrong that GT4 could have been better if it was made exclusively for PS3, it's just that the points he was using to make an argument were horrible.

[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. st1ka

is that why PS3 exclusives look about the same as 360 exclusives? Seriously if your just going to do some uninformed rant, full of wrong information why even post at all?

[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. st1ka

is that why PS3 exclusives look about the same as 360 exclusives? Seriously if your just going to do some uninformed rant, full of wrong information why even post at all?

Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. iamthetruth55

i cant even trry and back you up on this one...good luck...lol

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

LosDaddie

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

clintos59

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

It all depends on the developer and time spent developing it. I'd argue that on average 360 games look better than ps3 games. Bioshock, gears, Halo 3, Mass effect, wipe the floor with most ps3 games apart from uncharted and possible UT3 (debatable). Uncharted and Lair are the only games out at the momment that look really good. The rest are distinctively average. Most multiplats also look better on 360. I'd also argue that MGS4 wont outshine ng2 or gears 2. As for GT5 - well its a racing game (hardly any objects on screen)...seeing as its been almost 3 years in production for not even a full game id expect it to look really good.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

clintos59

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

It all depends on the developer and time spent developing it. I'd argue that on average 360 games look better than ps3 games. Bioshock, gears, Halo 3, Mass effect, wipe the floor with most ps3 games apart from uncharted and possible UT3 (debatable). Uncharted and Lair are the only games out at the momment that look really good. The rest are distinctively average. Most multiplats also look better on 360. I'd also argue that MGS4 wont outshine ng2 or gears 2. As for GT5 - well its a racing game (hardly any objects on screen)...seeing as its been almost 3 years in production for not even a full game id expect it to look really good but nothing that cant be done on the 360 if the same development time was put into it.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="iamthetruth55"]Should have been optimized with GTA4. Microsoft has OFFICALLY ruined gaming by coming out with awful redudnant games liek Halo 3 and GeOW along with RROD causing the delay of GTA4. But my main point is that if GTA4 were build solely for the Cell the graphics and gameplay would be much better especially because of the build in HDD and HDMI. I can't believe microsoft. Eddie-Vedder

is that why PS3 exclusives look about the same as 360 exclusives? Seriously if your just going to do some uninformed rant, full of wrong information why even post at all?

What you wrote isn't exactly true either lol.

Its hell of a lot closer to reality than the TC's!

[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

tifaz

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

It all depends on the developer and time spent developing it. I'd argue that on average 360 games look better than ps3 games. Bioshock, gears, Halo 3, Mass effect, wipe the floor with most ps3 games apart from uncharted and possible UT3 (debatable). Uncharted and Lair are the only games out at the momment that look really good. The rest are distinctively average. Most multiplats also look better on 360. I'd also argue that MGS4 wont outshine ng2 or gears 2. As for GT5 - well its a racing game (hardly any objects on screen)...seeing as its been almost 3 years in production for not even a full game id expect it to look really good but nothing that cant be done on the 360 if the same development time was put into it.

It is a well known fact that Halo 3 wasn't even able to deliver HD quality graphics, it was a 640 resolution and not 720 (which happens to be lower end of HD). The developer even admitted that they weren't able to produce the game in 720 without having problems or cutting a good bit of the game back because of the limited space of the DVD9.

[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

tifaz

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

It all depends on the developer and time spent developing it. I'd argue that on average 360 games look better than ps3 games. Bioshock, gears, Halo 3, Mass effect, wipe the floor with most ps3 games apart from uncharted and possible UT3 (debatable). Uncharted and Lair are the only games out at the momment that look really good. The rest are distinctively average. Most multiplats also look better on 360. I'd also argue that MGS4 wont outshine ng2 or gears 2. As for GT5 - well its a racing game (hardly any objects on screen)...seeing as its been almost 3 years in production for not even a full game id expect it to look really good but nothing that cant be done on the 360 if the same development time was put into it.

I do agree with u on most of your points, but I will have to disagree with u on MGS4 not being able to outshine NG2 or GEOW2, because first of all people are overlooking just how big this game is going to be, and yes im even talking about GTA4 prolly the biggest game coming out this year. I seriously thing MGS4 is going to prove that it is right up there with the big boys. I dont no what u mean when u say its not going to outshine NG2 or Gears 2 but I really think u are underestimating MGS4. Seriously every ps3 owner who owns a ps3 right now, I can almost guarantee u that atleast 80% or even more who own a ps3 right now will buy MGS4 and not only that I think there are also tons of people who dont own a ps3 who will buy a ps3 because of MGS4, heck I know I dint buy my ps3 because of GTA4 or any other game, my main reason was because of MGS4. Believe it or not but I think MGS4 is gonna suprise people with just how much it is going to sell.

[QUOTE="tifaz"]
[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

jimm895

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

It all depends on the developer and time spent developing it. I'd argue that on average 360 games look better than ps3 games. Bioshock, gears, Halo 3, Mass effect, wipe the floor with most ps3 games apart from uncharted and possible UT3 (debatable). Uncharted and Lair are the only games out at the momment that look really good. The rest are distinctively average. Most multiplats also look better on 360. I'd also argue that MGS4 wont outshine ng2 or gears 2. As for GT5 - well its a racing game (hardly any objects on screen)...seeing as its been almost 3 years in production for not even a full game id expect it to look really good but nothing that cant be done on the 360 if the same development time was put into it.

It is a well known fact that Halo 3 wasn't even able to deliver HD quality graphics, it was a 640 resolution and not 720 (which happens to be lower end of HD). The developer even admitted that they weren't able to produce the game in 720 without having problems or cutting a good bit of the game back because of the limited space of the DVD9.

[QUOTE="tifaz"]
[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

jimm895

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

It all depends on the developer and time spent developing it. I'd argue that on average 360 games look better than ps3 games. Bioshock, gears, Halo 3, Mass effect, wipe the floor with most ps3 games apart from uncharted and possible UT3 (debatable). Uncharted and Lair are the only games out at the momment that look really good. The rest are distinctively average. Most multiplats also look better on 360. I'd also argue that MGS4 wont outshine ng2 or gears 2. As for GT5 - well its a racing game (hardly any objects on screen)...seeing as its been almost 3 years in production for not even a full game id expect it to look really good but nothing that cant be done on the 360 if the same development time was put into it.

It is a well known fact that Halo 3 wasn't even able to deliver HD quality graphics, it was a 640 resolution and not 720 (which happens to be lower end of HD). The developer even admitted that they weren't able to produce the game in 720 without having problems or cutting a good bit of the game back because of the limited space of the DVD9.

HD doesn't make a game have good graphics...Crisis displayed at 640p blows any 1080p console game out of the water.

[QUOTE="jimm895"][QUOTE="tifaz"]
[QUOTE="clintos59"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

It seems that low-level, small-post-count cows are still starting bait threads.

[QUOTE="tifaz"][QUOTE="casey133"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

Xenos>RSX...how long have you been around this was confirmed years ago. 360 has the better gpu and ps3 the better cpu....whats more important to gaming...GPU!...none of the consoles are bottle necked by their CPU's.

PS3 dev kits have been around for about 3 years now....its a games console not alien technology...how long do we have to wait untill devs can 'unlock its full potential'...another couple of years and new systems will be out. Except theirs no noticeable difference between the two systems!

Anonymous79

Confirmed by who? And please don't say "alot of people" because I will just have to refer you to the posts made above as an example of the results of using that answer.

2 links from devs have been provided. Just look at the specs for a start! RSX is based on the 7900gtx....xenos is based on the build of ATI's direct x 10 cards and even has some direct x 10 capabilities unlike the ps3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/2

The key is the xenos having unified shader architecture. Post a link showing the rsx is better than the xenos if you can find one!

Ownage CONFIRMED!! :D

Im not no cow but if even if this tifaz person is correct then tell me why is Uncharted Drakes Fortune considered to be the console benchmark with graphics right now? I am just curious because I mean if tifaz is right then I guess microsoft should be kind of dissappointed since they did have a year start over the ps3 and wii and the ps3 has an exclusive game that has set the graphic bar for consoles wouldnt u think so?

It all depends on the developer and time spent developing it. I'd argue that on average 360 games look better than ps3 games. Bioshock, gears, Halo 3, Mass effect, wipe the floor with most ps3 games apart from uncharted and possible UT3 (debatable). Uncharted and Lair are the only games out at the momment that look really good. The rest are distinctively average. Most multiplats also look better on 360. I'd also argue that MGS4 wont outshine ng2 or gears 2. As for GT5 - well its a racing game (hardly any objects on screen)...seeing as its been almost 3 years in production for not even a full game id expect it to look really good but nothing that cant be done on the 360 if the same development time was put into it.

It is a well known fact that Halo 3 wasn't even able to deliver HD quality graphics, it was a 640 resolution and not 720 (which happens to be lower end of HD). The developer even admitted that they weren't able to produce the game in 720 without having problems or cutting a good bit of the game back because of the limited space of the DVD9.

If they were to run it at 720p..they would have to cut back on visuals, in areas...Dev didn't want that. So they did it this way.