The problem with PSN

For me, this is why Live is fundamentally better than PSN. First, before you immediately reply 'lol facebook is lame who cares' this is just an example. If you look at Microsoft's recent incorporation of last.fm, zune, twitter and facebook onto xbox live (even if you hate all those features and will never use them), you can see that they've thought about how to go about it, how to make it look and work on a console etc. And they've done a really good job. For those who like using last.fm for example, the interface on the 360 for using it is unique and really awesome. It's completely different from the normy version on the website, and really feels like it was meant for a console. Same with Twitter and Facebook. Even though i dont use them, i can appreciate that for those who DO use them, they've been designed and executed really well to work on the 360 with a game pad.

So, following the announcement that these features were on the way, it emerges that Sony are also going to add Facebook to PSN. And when it comes, it's slapped together, doesn't offer many of the basic things Facebook is meant to do, and what it CAN do is done so badly that even the PS3 editor on IGN has written a piece about how bad it is. When it posts information about your trophies to Facebook, for example, it takes up the better half of a whole page and gets nothing but comments of 'omg turn that off!' from annoyed users who have your PS3's updates clogging up their entire screen.

Again, this is just an example. Another example would be trophies. On the 360 it's a simple idea; every game can have up to 1000 points spread between however many different achivements the developer likes, to a maximum of 50. Each one is worth a number of points, and has a small picture and description to show whoever is looking at your gamercard what you did to unlock it. Cool idea, if you like that sort of thing.

Sony then comes out with Trophies. They're not in every game, they arrive too late, some games get patched, some dont. It's a mess.

Microsoft announce Netflix; a simple downloadable add-on. Sony announce it, but you need a disc to use it.

CONCLUSION:

Sony really need to take PSN in a cool and unique direction, and stop with the knee-jerk reactions to whatever Microsoft is doing. They'd be much better off shutting out what the competition is doing and focusing on their own ideas. Right now PSN is just one hastily put together update after the other, all of which seem designed to do nothing more than immitate the latest 360 update, only 75% of the time they're simply nowhere near as good because they've been put together so quickly to try and keep up with LIVE.

Another PSN vs LIVE thread?

Oh noes I have to put a disc in to watch netflix..........MS Wins

Another PSN vs LIVE thread?

Oh noes I have to put a disc in to watch netflix..........MS Wins

akira2465

CONCLUSION:

Sony really need to take PSN in a cool and unique direction, and stop with the knee-jerk reactions to whatever Microsoft is doing. They'd be much better off shutting out what the competition is doing and focusing on their own ideas. Right now PSN is just one hastily put together update after the other, all of which seem designed to do nothing more than immitate the latest 360 update, only 75% of the time they're simply nowhere near as good because they've been put together so quickly to try and keep up with LIVE.

Doctor-McNinja

Wow, those features are not innovative, its been the natural direction of this gen of consoles to become the central media hub in a given household. You say Sony is copying MS? These are not new ideas, these features are just a natural progression in consoles.

I stopped reading because I'm almost 100% positive that Sony didn't fuly develop their facebook feature because PS3 has a web browser, it's not a fantastic one, but its there and you can do most almost anything with it. Making an application that would take you to their web browser or something similar to the iPhone facebook app would just be silly.

It's really apples and oranges on this one and it's a stupid as hell argument to say "my facebook is better than yours", seriously, I can stand arguing about voice chat and **** but when we have to argue about stupid **** like internet radio and social networking via console then I've totally lost faith in this place.

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"]

CONCLUSION:

Sony really need to take PSN in a cool and unique direction, and stop with the knee-jerk reactions to whatever Microsoft is doing. They'd be much better off shutting out what the competition is doing and focusing on their own ideas. Right now PSN is just one hastily put together update after the other, all of which seem designed to do nothing more than immitate the latest 360 update, only 75% of the time they're simply nowhere near as good because they've been put together so quickly to try and keep up with LIVE.

MajorGamer531

Wow, those features are not innovative, its been the natural direction of this gen of consoles to become the central media hub in a given household. You say Sony is copying MS? These are not new ideas, these features are just a natural progression in consoles.

I stopped reading because I'm almost 100% positive that Sony didn't fuly develop their facebook feature because PS3 has a web browser, it's not a fantastic one, but its there and you can do most almost anything with it. Making an application that would take you to their web browser or something similar to the iPhone facebook app would just be silly.

It's really apples and oranges on this one and it's a stupid as hell argument to say "my facebook is better than yours", seriously, I can stand arguing about voice chat and **** but when we have to argue about stupid **** like internet radio and social networking via console then I've totally lost faith in this place.

Tiefster

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

Another PSN vs LIVE thread?

Oh noes I have to put a disc in to watch netflix..........MS Wins

Doctor-McNinja

Im not sure if you know this but next year they will remove the disk via an update to ps3, its only for this year that their using this disk

I agree about the point with the trophies taking a lot of space, my friend on facebook updates with trophies now and it is quite annoying, on the same token thoguh I expect these features to be of higher quality on Xbox LIve as it costs money, PSN is a completely free service.

Im not sure if you know this but next year they will remove the disk via an update to ps3, its only for this year that their using this disk

finalstar2007

Another PSN vs LIVE thread?

Oh noes I have to put a disc in to watch netflix..........MS Wins

akira2465

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

Another PSN vs LIVE thread?

Oh noes I have to put a disc in to watch netflix..........MS Wins

Doctor-McNinja

I said that because you used two really bad examples. Sony and MS both add little things into their firmware, truth is I personally don't care about it and I believe the majority of gamers don't care about features like facebook and twitter. It's there for the few that do care though. It's good that it's there though. I prefer to use my console for gaming , not browsing people's pics on facebook.

Everyone knows that LIVE is better than PSN but PSN is close enough for some people to prefer it because it's free. If PSN and LIVE were the same price I would have bought a 360 over a PS3.

I said that because you used two really bad examples. Sony and MS both add little things into their firmware, truth is I personally don't care about it and I believe the majority of gamers don't care about features like facebook and twitter. It's there for the few that do care though.

Everyone knows that LIVE is better than PSN but PSN is close enough for some people to prefer it because it's free. If PSN and LIVE were the same price I would have bought a 360 over a PS3.

akira2465

No, you said that because you didn't read the post. If you read all that and then boiled it down to 'you have to use a disc with Netflix so microsoft wins', as another use already said, you pretty much just proved me right. You also demonstrate even now that you didn't read the post, as i said the exact same thing you're saying - that i dont care about facebook or twitter. THEY WERE JUST EXAMPLES. Good examples, because they're the most recent additions. My point was that Sony are just checking boxes. Anything xbox live has, they hastily try to make sure PSN has it.

And that's no good if you ask me, as most of the time the stuff they're adding isn't well-executed because it's been quickly put together to try and match xbox live, and they'd be much better off making cool things designed specifically FOR psn rather than always trying to do what microsoft is doing. Fair point, is it not?

There's one simple thing I want to be able to do using the online system of a console. It's not having small talk with my friends. It's not watching movies. It's not browsing the internet. I only want to play games. Shocking I know. Consoles are no computer. I wish they would stop trying to be.nethernova

To each his own, I don't care about browsing the internet either but I do love the fact that it is a blu ray player. If it wasn't, I would have to buy another player to take up space on my entertainment stand.

But I do agree game playing is the primary function.

There's one simple thing I want to be able to do using the online system of a console. It's not having small talk with my friends. It's not watching movies. It's not browsing the internet. I only want to play games. Shocking I know. Consoles are no computer. I wish they would stop trying to be.nethernova

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

I said that because you used two really bad examples. Sony and MS both add little things into their firmware, truth is I personally don't care about it and I believe the majority of gamers don't care about features like facebook and twitter. It's there for the few that do care though.

Everyone knows that LIVE is better than PSN but PSN is close enough for some people to prefer it because it's free. If PSN and LIVE were the same price I would have bought a 360 over a PS3.

Doctor-McNinja

No, you said that because you didn't read the post. If you read all that and then boiled it down to 'you have to use a disc with Netflix so microsoft wins', as another use already said, you pretty much just proved me right. You also demonstrate even now that you didn't read the post, as i said the exact same thing you're saying - that i dont care about facebook or twitter. THEY WERE JUST EXAMPLES. Good examples, because they're the most recent additions. My point was that Sony are just checking boxes. Anything xbox live has, they hastily try to make sure PSN has it.

And that's no good if you ask me, as most of the time the stuff they're adding isn't well-executed because it's been quickly put together to try and match xbox live, and they'd be much better off making cool things designed specifically FOR psn rather than always trying to do what microsoft is doing. Fair point, is it not?

No I agree it is a fair point. I also expect the Software company to be better at creating software than the hardware company. Like it not Sony is still fairly new at this. One point that we can agree on , both online services will get better.

But your point is like MS copying the way they set up PC. PC is much easier than Live, do we trash Live because it copies PC features? Even though as you stated it behaves different

Alot of people are missing TC's point completely and the whole integration of Live is something that has to be experienced,fanboys want it explained to them but its hard to do,so they boil down the differences between the two services to features like cross game chat or party systems but theres alot more to it than that,Live vs PSN has to be experienced.

First thing I have to mention is I don't get a **** about anything covered in this following post.

First: People have been able to view facebook since Ps3 was released.

Second: Trophies are in all new games

Third: The disc for Netflix is just temporary

Hope I didn't miss anything

Now for what I do care about with PSN, I play the video games I already paid full price for online for free.

That's all.

No I agree it is a fair point. I also expect the Software company to be better at creating software than the hardware company. Like it not Sony is still fairly new at this. One point that we can agree on , both online services will get better.

But your point is like MS copying the way they set up PC. PC is much easier than Live, do we trash Live because it copies PC features? Even though as you stated it behaves different

First thing I have to mention is I don't get a **** about anything covered in this following post.

First: People have been able to view facebook since Ps3 was released.

Second: Trophies are in all new games

Third: The disc for Netflix is just temporary

Hope I didn't miss anything

Now for what I do care about with PSN, I play the video games I already paid full price for online for free.

That's all.

Chutebox

Sony really need to take PSN in a cool and unique direction,

Like not charging their subscribers to use their own internet connection they pay for already?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

First thing I have to mention is I don't get a **** about anything covered in this following post.

First: People have been able to view facebook since Ps3 was released.

Second: Trophies are in all new games

Third: The disc for Netflix is just temporary

Hope I didn't miss anything

Now for what I do care about with PSN, I play the video games I already paid full price for online for free.

That's all.

Doctor-McNinja

Still not worth the $60 :lol:

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

First thing I have to mention is I don't get a **** about anything covered in this following post.

First: People have been able to view facebook since Ps3 was released.

Second: Trophies are in all new games

Third: The disc for Netflix is just temporary

Hope I didn't miss anything

Now for what I do care about with PSN, I play the video games I already paid full price for online for free.

That's all.

Doctor-McNinja

Really I'm not jumping down your throat lol There is no need to get emotional and feel your being attacked. You created a thread because you wanted to talk about a topic and I am just debating your topic. I get that you are presenting a viewpoint that Sony needs to get their act together and work on other ways to make PSN different to Live.

I also get that you are saying that Sony's updates seem rushed and when MS tells everyone that they are putting Last FM/Facebook etc that some dude in Sony's software department runs from his computer and into his bosses' office to tell him the news and the next day Sony is rushing to throw Facebook into the next firmware update.

My point is that isn't true for everything , ex cross game chat. Yes they are copying MS because consumers WANT cross game chat and it's good for a company to listen to their consumers to keep them happy. Also they haven't thrown out cross game chat because it's not ready.

In response to your point about Sony should make more of an effort to make itself different than Live, yes I agree but they are instead trying to make it as close to Live as possible which is fine with me because everyone knows that Free Live is better than Subscription Live.

Like Chutebox said, as long as I can game for free online , who really cares. I know some people do but as long as I can communicate with friends and game , it's all good, anything else is just gravy.

Still not worth the $60 :lol:

Generalmojo

CONCLUSION:

Sony really need to take PSN in a cool and unique direction, and stop with the knee-jerk reactions to whatever Microsoft is doing. They'd be much better off shutting out what the competition is doing and focusing on their own ideas. Right now PSN is just one hastily put together update after the other, all of which seem designed to do nothing more than immitate the latest 360 update, only 75% of the time they're simply nowhere near as good because they've been put together so quickly to try and keep up with LIVE.

Doctor-McNinja

I find this funny when the masses are whining for features of the 360 on the PS3 when the PS3 was doing it's own thing from the very beginning.

I own both and use the PSN a lot more. Do I prefer it more? I guess when you take into account the cost/benefit analysis, minor differences that are solely personal opinion don't matter to me. Online should be free and Sony understands that, MS just milks it for all it's worth.

I own both and use the PSN a lot more. Do I prefer it more? I guess when you take into account the cost/benefit analysis, minor differences that are solely personal opinion don't matter to me. Online should be free and Sony understands that, MS just milks it for all it's worth.

Reemer99

PSN still doesn't even allow you to have more than one person signed in to a console at the same time.

For me, this is why Live is fundamentally better than PSN. First, before you immediately reply 'lol facebook is lame who cares' this is just an example. If you look at Microsoft's recent incorporation of last.fm, zune, twitter and facebook onto xbox live (even if you hate all those features and will never use them), you can see that they've thought about how to go about it, how to make it look and work on a console etc. And they've done a really good job. For those who like using last.fm for example, the interface on the 360 for using it is unique and really awesome. It's completely different from the normy version on the website, and really feels like it was meant for a console. Same with Twitter and Facebook. Even though i dont use them, i can appreciate that for those who DO use them, they've been designed and executed really well to work on the 360 with a game pad.

So, following the announcement that these features were on the way, it emerges that Sony are also going to add Facebook to PSN. And when it comes, it's slapped together, doesn't offer many of the basic things Facebook is meant to do, and what it CAN do is done so badly that even the PS3 editor on IGN has written a piece about how bad it is. When it posts information about your trophies to Facebook, for example, it takes up the better half of a whole page and gets nothing but comments of 'omg turn that off!' from annoyed users who have your PS3's updates clogging up their entire screen.

Again, this is just an example. Another example would be trophies. On the 360 it's a simple idea; every game can have up to 1000 points spread between however many different achivements the developer likes, to a maximum of 50. Each one is worth a number of points, and has a small picture and description to show whoever is looking at your gamercard what you did to unlock it. Cool idea, if you like that sort of thing.

Sony then comes out with Trophies. They're not in every game, they arrive too late, some games get patched, some dont. It's a mess.

Microsoft announce Netflix; a simple downloadable add-on. Sony announce it, but you need a disc to use it.

CONCLUSION:

Sony really need to take PSN in a cool and unique direction, and stop with the knee-jerk reactions to whatever Microsoft is doing. They'd be much better off shutting out what the competition is doing and focusing on their own ideas. Right now PSN is just one hastily put together update after the other, all of which seem designed to do nothing more than immitate the latest 360 update, only 75% of the time they're simply nowhere near as good because they've been put together so quickly to try and keep up with LIVE.

Doctor-McNinja

To be fair, MS's implementation of Facebook leaves me having to open up it up as a separate application. In terms of convenience, it's not that much better than opening up the PS3 web browser. So no, MS is far from perfect.

I do, however, agree that MS is doing a much better job of keeping the interfaces clean and consistent, as opposed to PSN's scattershot implementations that have these tiny inconveniences that, over time, add up and detract from the experience.

Live shoves ads down my throat constantly and I even pay every year for it. PSN is free but I almost never see ads outside the Store.NAPK1NS

For me, this is why Live is fundamentally better than PSN. First, before you immediately reply 'lol facebook is lame who cares' this is just an example. If you look at Microsoft's recent incorporation of last.fm, zune, twitter and facebook onto xbox live (even if you hate all those features and will never use them), you can see that they've thought about how to go about it, how to make it look and work on a console etc. And they've done a really good job. For those who like using last.fm for example, the interface on the 360 for using it is unique and really awesome. It's completely different from the normy version on the website, and really feels like it was meant for a console. Same with Twitter and Facebook. Even though i dont use them, i can appreciate that for those who DO use them, they've been designed and executed really well to work on the 360 with a game pad.

So, following the announcement that these features were on the way, it emerges that Sony are also going to add Facebook to PSN. And when it comes, it's slapped together, doesn't offer many of the basic things Facebook is meant to do, and what it CAN do is done so badly that even the PS3 editor on IGN has written a piece about how bad it is. When it posts information about your trophies to Facebook, for example, it takes up the better half of a whole page and gets nothing but comments of 'omg turn that off!' from annoyed users who have your PS3's updates clogging up their entire screen.

Again, this is just an example. Another example would be trophies. On the 360 it's a simple idea; every game can have up to 1000 points spread between however many different achivements the developer likes, to a maximum of 50. Each one is worth a number of points, and has a small picture and description to show whoever is looking at your gamercard what you did to unlock it. Cool idea, if you like that sort of thing.

Sony then comes out with Trophies. They're not in every game, they arrive too late, some games get patched, some dont. It's a mess.

Microsoft announce Netflix; a simple downloadable add-on. Sony announce it, but you need a disc to use it.

CONCLUSION:

Sony really need to take PSN in a cool and unique direction, and stop with the knee-jerk reactions to whatever Microsoft is doing. They'd be much better off shutting out what the competition is doing and focusing on their own ideas. Right now PSN is just one hastily put together update after the other, all of which seem designed to do nothing more than imitate the latest 360 update, only 75% of the time they're simply nowhere near as good because they've been put together so quickly to try and keep up with LIVE.

Doctor-McNinja

Ok, let's look a little deeper.

Facebook: Let's look at what the PS3 update added, the ability to automatically update your feed with what you're doing. Now what the 360 update added, the ability to automatically update what your doing, post messages and view photos. What you're forgetting is what the PS3 could already do that the 360 still doesn't, like view comments on your posts, manage friends and feeds, view videos, play apps, as well as what you can now do on the 360, basically the whole Facebook experience. So how is Sony the one falling short? How is having a hobbled application on the menu better than the full thing? If anyone is imitating anyone, MS is imitating my cell phone, Sony was already there and better.

Last.FM: Nope, can't do the radio option on the PS3, but you can do the radio for Pandora which is pretty much the same. Neither allows you to do this in-game. One it a button on the dashboard, the other can be a bookmark on the browser, no huge difference.

Netflix: Why does everyone act like Netflix had nothing to do with this? As if Netflix hasn't been working for years to get streaming to every kind of set-top box there is as well as cell phones (a few Nokias right now). What makes you think this is Sony's doing at all when the disk uses the BD-Live functionality and not anything PS3 specific? Sony's implementation is coming.

Trophies/Achievements: Ok, this is one thing Sony was late on, but your criticisms seem a bit odd. They did it their own way, giving different value rewards for different accomplishments that don't get lumped into one great sum. At a glance, you can see how many games the person got all the achievements on with platinum trophies, where you have to look at the individual games to see that with a gamerscore. And would you really rather developers divert development away from new games just to add trophies to old ones? I wouldn't. I'd rather have the new game than have trophies added to a game I'm done playing anyways.

CONCLUSION:

You're citing poor examples and ignoring what else Sony is doing. Home is a good place to meet people, strategize, play community games and mini-games as well as a place for developers to try new ideas. The PS3 browser may be a worse option than anything on a suitable PC, but it offers much more of the web than what you can get on the 360 by itself. You can use the PS3 to play PSP games over the Internet as if they were in the same room (ad-hoc mode). You can stream music, videos and games to your PSP anywhere there is a Wi-Fi connection.

PSN is really not that far off as people claim. Just because they are justifying their price for live (Which really is not very costly $50 a year big deal) Really the only thing Lacking is party chat across games and a few other features. Plus remember PS3 has a web browser that Live does not. But really...Big Deal!! who cares, each is pretty much the same, yes Live is better. But not miles ahead like people say. Those who say "Live is laggy" or "PSN is laggy" obviously do not know how to port forward, or just put their console in the DMZ. People are still on their impression of the PS2's online which wasn't very good. But PSN is fine, Live is fine as well.

And with the "they copied them" and vice versa. Didn't coke come out then make cherry coke...what did Pepsi do? they made wild cherry pepsi...vanilla coke...vanilla pepsi. It would be stupid for either company not to copy features, and bring their own features to their system.

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