The problem with the PlayStation brand

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

The Xbox 360 has t he chance to become the greatest console ever.

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

The Xbox 360 has t he chance to become the greatest console ever.

AHUGECAT

The PS2 and 360 are the best consoles ever, yes.

The PS2 and 360 are the best consoles ever, yes.

WhenTheTwoFace

Why do you quote the first post?

It's not like we can't tell who you're talking to.

[QUOTE="WhenTheTwoFace"]

The PS2 and 360 are the best consoles ever, yes.

AlexSays

Why do you quote the first post?

It's not like we can't tell who you're talking to.

I am sorry

I agree with pretty much every thing you said, but even with all the negatives you listed for the PS2, it's incredibly easy to make a case for it being the best console ever.

Also, I think WRPGs are incredibly underrepresented on consoles in general.

And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. Espada12

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. Not-A-Stalker

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Some off-the-wall category only MSG4 fits in. ;)

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. Not-A-Stalker

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Level editing platformers

Do I get a cookie?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. Not-A-Stalker

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

I'm talking about the PS1 and PS2, which dominated in every other genre except the ones he listed that the other consoles gave.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. AlexSays

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Some off-the-wall category only MSG4 fits in. ;)

We're not interested in your dreams.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. Espada12

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

I'm talking about the PS1 and PS2, which dominated in every other genre except the ones he listed that the other consoles gave.

Ok. In that case, I guess I agree with you.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. WhenTheTwoFace

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Some off-the-wall category only MSG4 fits in. ;)

We're not interested in your dreams.

My dreams?

I've never even played MSG4. :?

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. mattbbpl

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Level editing platformers

Do I get a cookie?

No console ever wants that. Plus it has Banjo where you can edit vehicles.

Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.Espada12

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. mattbbpl

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Level editing platformers

Do I get a cookie?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. AHUGECAT

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Level editing platformers

Do I get a cookie?

No console ever wants that. Plus it has Banjo where you can edit vehicles.

I said it as a joke because it's such a narrow "genre". However, you might get some slack for that "No console ever wants that" remark.

Not from me though. I have no interest in LBP whatsoever.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.AHUGECAT

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. hopesfall2own

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Level editing platformers

Do I get a cookie?

It was just a joke because it's such a narrow genre. Is something is dominating that genre, I'm not sure it's a bragging point.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.AHUGECAT

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The PS2 lacked those genres in comparison to what? The other two consoles weren't much better in either category.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.Espada12

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.hopesfall2own

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

3 WRPGS and 6 RTS.. cool that's alot!

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.Espada12

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

2 WRPGS and 6 RTS.. cool that's alot!

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.Espada12

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

2 WRPGS and 6 RTS.. cool that's alot!

I did find it hilarious though, when the PS2 only had 2 Controller ports, and I was playing Smash Brothers Melee on my Cube with 4. :D-CheeseEater-

I only included the exclusive wrpgs..but, why don't you go ahead and list me your WRPGS and RTS for ps3 please? Good game, now sit down. hopesfall2own

I said

Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.

I also said

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

Having more than the competition does not mean you have alot.

Also I never mentioned the PS3 so why did you bring it up?

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I only included the exclusive wrpgs..but, why don't you go ahead and list me your WRPGS and RTS for ps3 please? Good game, now sit down. Espada12

I said

Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.

I also said

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

Having more than the competition does not mean you have alot.

Also I never mentioned the PS3 so why did you bring it up?

X360 WRPGS

Oblivion

Mass Effect

Fable 2

X360 RTS

LOTR

Sup com

Red alert 3

CNC3

Halo Wars

That game by sierra I can't remember the name.

Those aren't very big representations of these genres.

The ps2 had a decent amount of shooters , not as many as the xbox ....... but there was enough to play.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I only included the exclusive wrpgs..but, why don't you go ahead and list me your WRPGS and RTS for ps3 please? Good game, now sit down. hopesfall2own

I said

Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.

I also said

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

Having more than the competition does not mean you have alot.

Also I never mentioned the PS3 so why did you bring it up?

If you haven't noticed my argument was that the PS2 was still the best console ever even compared to the 360. Why would I talk about the PS3?

Also here's somethign to think about.

The ps2s JRPG library is probably x10 that of the X360s, but the 360 this gen has the most with around 7... does that mean the genre is well represented there?

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

The Xbox 360 has t he chance to become the greatest console ever.

AHUGECAT

ahhh.. i have to disagree with you on almost all fronts.. especially with the ps2 part.

its has the multi tap {multi-tap for party FTW!!} and the slim ver has built in ethernet... sure it doesn't have much FPS but it has 1 shooter that defined PS2 online gaming [perhaps made sony realise the potential of the online market] and that game is socom

its even funny u brought up the ORIGINAL xbox and say that the ps2 needs it for the complete experience... the xbox had hdd and pretty graphics but too bad m$ DID not support it as much as the 360

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.AHUGECAT

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

are you serious? a ps2 is only an upgraded ps1? no way...its not like xbox 360 is an upgraded xbox...or snes was an upgraded nes...or well you get the point

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.Espada12

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

Yeah... he pretty much messed himself up with that last statement.

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I only included the exclusive wrpgs..but, why don't you go ahead and list me your WRPGS and RTS for ps3 please? Good game, now sit down. Espada12

I said

Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.

I also said

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

Having more than the competition does not mean you have alot.

Also I never mentioned the PS3 so why did you bring it up?

If you haven't noticed my argument was that the PS2 was still the best console ever even compared to the 360. Why would I talk about the PS3?

Also here's somethign to think about.

The ps2s JRPG library is probably x10 that of the X360s, but the 360 this gen has the most with around 7... does that mean the genre is well represented there?

By that logic, there has never been a single console in history that has been the "complete console experince". There has always been a reason to buy other consoles for other reasons.

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

The Xbox 360 has t he chance to become the greatest console ever.

AHUGECAT

what makes you think they arent laughed at? oh and they flop in sales too...

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.Espada12

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

2. I meant like the design. The PS2 was obsolete the day it came out, and not power-wise. The PS2 did NOTHING to separate from the PS1 except for updated POWER.

Ok so the ps2 had an oversaturation of JRPGs. Now, how many were actually decent? Probably 10%.

Compare that to the 360 WRPGs, they've all been worthwhile purchases. I haven't played any of these JRPGs, but they seem to be doing fine. I don't know why you prefer having 100 jrpgs if 75% suck. hopesfall2own

The only point I've brought up was that there aren't enough games in each genre to say the 360 has surpassed the PS2 as yet.. even though it does it in shooters.

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.AHUGECAT

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

Name the much more because from my knowledge it only has 1 more which is F3. That's 5

It has around 6-7 RTS, that is not alot. It's certainly better than the other consoles, but that's not saying much.

Ok so the ps2 had an oversaturation of JRPGs. Now, how many were actually decent? Probably 10%.

Compare that to the 360 WRPGs, they've all been worthwhile purchases. I haven't played any of these JRPGs, but they seem to be doing fine. I don't know why you prefer having 100 jrpgs if 75% suck. hopesfall2own

Putting your discussion with the other guy aside, the claim that only 10% of the JRPGs on the PS2 were even decent is pretty ridiculous. The vast majority of them were average, a lot of them were terrible, and a few of them were truly great.

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.AHUGECAT

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

2. I meant like the design. The PS2 was obsolete the day it came out, and not power-wise. The PS2 did NOTHING to separate from the PS1 except for updated POWER.

Call me crazy, but isnt the 360 kinda the same thing to the Xbox... without the standard HDD???

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.Espada12

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

Name the much more because from my knowledge it only has 1 more which is F3. That's 5

It has around 6-7 RTS, that is not alot. It's certainly better than the other consoles, but that's not saying much.

It still has them though. Two Worlds, Too Human, Alpha Protocol. And yes, it is better than other consoles. The 360 branches out in all genres. It just needs a few more platformers to be complete.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. mattbbpl

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Level editing platformers

Do I get a cookie?

you get a spanking and an early night young man!

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.AHUGECAT

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

Name the much more because from my knowledge it only has 1 more which is F3. That's 5

It has around 6-7 RTS, that is not alot. It's certainly better than the other consoles, but that's not saying much.

It still has them though. Two Worlds, Too Human, Alpha Protocol. And yes, it is better than other consoles. The 360 branches out in all genres. It just needs a few more platformers to be complete.

well i think XBLA provides more than enough of those, braid anyone?