The problem with the PlayStation brand

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

The Xbox 360 has t he chance to become the greatest console ever.

AHUGECAT

LOL if microsoft wants to compete with sony they will need to start their own first party development studios and make some exclusive 360 games.

Right now microsoft basically depends on third party multiplatform games.

microsoft need's some goddamn exclusive games.

sony wins much more first party games/development studios.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

2. I meant like the design. The PS2 was obsolete the day it came out, and not power-wise. The PS2 did NOTHING to separate from the PS1 except for updated POWER.

carljohnson3456

Call me crazy, but isnt the 360 kinda the same thing to the Xbox... without the standard HDD???

No. The 360 has standard wireless controllers, the dashboard, Xbox Live Marketplace (yes, the Xbox also had it but not as robust and advanced), detachable hard drive, Xbox Guide Button, detachable hard drive, etc. etc. and no the Arcade version doesn't have a standard hard drive, but that's for the casuals. The system we talk about on a game-forum would be the regular system which has an HD.

With the PS2, Sony just got the PS1, changed the case and slapped in the Emotion Engine and a new GPU and a DVD player. They promised a hard drive (standard), didn't deliever. They promised a Realplayer, didn't deliever. They promised an ethernet port and a browser, didn't deliever. Only 2 controller ports?

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.AHUGECAT

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

2. I meant like the design. The PS2 was obsolete the day it came out, and not power-wise. The PS2 did NOTHING to separate from the PS1 except for updated POWER.

LOL if microsoft wants to compete with sony they will need to start their own first party development studios and make some exclusive 360 games.

Right now microsoft basically depends on third party multiplatform games.

microsoft need's some goddamn exclusive games.

sony wins much more first party games/development studi

/THREAD

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]Also on a side note the Xbox 360 has variety but doesn't have the amount of games in most genres to be called the best console ever. The PS2 has an edge in all genres but FPS I'm pretty sure.thegoldenpoo

Actually the PS2 lacked first person shooters, western RPGs, RTS and other genres. It also lacked multiplayer games due to its 2 controller ports... the PS2 has o be the worst console (hardware-wise) ever... it was nothing more than an upgraded PS1.

The xbox 360 also lacks WRPGS and especially RTS. Funny you talk about bad hardware while mentioning the 360. As for your last sentance? :lol:

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

Name the much more because from my knowledge it only has 1 more which is F3. That's 5

It has around 6-7 RTS, that is not alot. It's certainly better than the other consoles, but that's not saying much.

It still has them though. Two Worlds, Too Human, Alpha Protocol. And yes, it is better than other consoles. The 360 branches out in all genres. It just needs a few more platformers to be complete.

well i think XBLA provides more than enough of those, braid anyone?

duke nukem 3d owns those crap games.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]And surprisingly enough you failed to mention that the console that complemented the Playstations all have the same problem you are talking about. thegoldenpoo

What genre does the PS3 dominate that the 360 lacks in?

Level editing platformers

Do I get a cookie?

you get a spanking and an early night young man!

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][AHUGECAT

1. The Xbox 360 doesn't lack them. It has Oblivion, Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Sacred 2, Fable 2, and much more. 360 also has Halo Wars, LOTR: BFME 2, Supreme Commander and Warhammer. The PS2 only had like Champions and Dark Alliance.

2. I meant like the design. The PS2 was obsolete the day it came out, and not power-wise. The PS2 did NOTHING to separate from the PS1 except for updated POWER.

Call me crazy, but isnt the 360 kinda the same thing to the Xbox... without the standard HDD???

No. The 360 has standard wireless controllers, the dashboard, Xbox Live Marketplace (yes, the Xbox also had it but not as robust and advanced), detachable hard drive, Xbox Guide Button, detachable hard drive, etc. etc. and no the Arcade version doesn't have a standard hard drive, but that's for the casuals. The system we talk about on a game-forum would be the regular system which has an HD.

With the PS2, Sony just got the PS1, changed the case and slapped in the Emotion Engine and a new GPU and a DVD player. They promised a hard drive (standard), didn't deliever. They promised a Realplayer, didn't deliever. They promised an ethernet port and a browser, didn't deliever. Only 2 controller ports?

but despite all of this it still had arguably the best games library in history.

[but despite all of this it still had arguably the best games library in history. thegoldenpoo

Technically, you're probably right. But the problem is that it didn't cover all fronts - most of its shooters were substandard (with SOCOM and Red Faction as the exceptions... but I don't think the latter had online multiplayer), and it only had 2 controller ports, so it couldn't have games like Halo. Also it lacked WRPGs and thus games like Jade Empire, KOTOR and Fable. The Xbox was practically required last generation to compliment the PS2.

LOL if microsoft wants to compete with sony they will need to start their own first party development studios and make some exclusive 360 games.

Right now microsoft basically depends on third party multiplatform games.

microsoft need's some goddamn exclusive games.

sony wins much more first party games/development studi

/THREAD

woobabooba

On paper, Sony has better first party.

Until the games come out.

Lair was flat out disappointing. Heavenly Sword was too short. Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted were decent, but not good enough.Even Rare's outputs this generation are better. Resistance is good but nothing to get worked up over, Gears is better. Other than that Sony hasn't done much. Killzone 2 won't be much better than Killzone, and LBP is going to disappoint. MS' first party isn't super-mega awesome, but they are pumping out games like Banjo, Gears, Halo, Fable, and many more.

[QUOTE="woobabooba"]

LOL if microsoft wants to compete with sony they will need to start their own first party development studios and make some exclusive 360 games.

Right now microsoft basically depends on third party multiplatform games.

microsoft need's some goddamn exclusive games.

sony wins much more first party games/development studi

/THREAD

AHUGECAT

On paper, Sony has better first party.

Until the games come out.

Lair was flat out disappointing. Heavenly Sword was too short. Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted were decent, but not good enough.Even Rare's outputs this generation are better. Resistance is good but nothing to get worked up over, Gears is better. Other than that Sony hasn't done much. Killzone 2 won't be much better than Killzone, and LBP is going to disappoint. MS' first party isn't super-mega awesome, but they are pumping out games like Banjo, Gears, Halo, Fable, and many more.

whoah... now THOSE are sweeping statements, im not PS3 fan but even i don't go that far. i see you never say anything negative about the wii.

[QUOTE="woobabooba"]

LOL if microsoft wants to compete with sony they will need to start their own first party development studios and make some exclusive 360 games.

Right now microsoft basically depends on third party multiplatform games.

microsoft need's some goddamn exclusive games.

sony wins much more first party games/development studi

/THREAD

AHUGECAT

On paper, Sony has better first party.

Until the games come out.

Lair was flat out disappointing. Heavenly Sword was too short. Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted were decent, but not good enough.Even Rare's outputs this generation are better. Resistance is good but nothing to get worked up over, Gears is better. Other than that Sony hasn't done much. Killzone 2 won't be much better than Killzone, and LBP is going to disappoint. MS' first party isn't super-mega awesome, but they are pumping out games like Banjo, Gears, Halo, Fable, and many more.

[QUOTE="woobabooba"]

LOL if microsoft wants to compete with sony they will need to start their own first party development studios and make some exclusive 360 games.

Right now microsoft basically depends on third party multiplatform games.

microsoft need's some goddamn exclusive games.

sony wins much more first party games/development studi

/THREAD

AHUGECAT

On paper, Sony has better first party.

Until the games come out.

Lair was flat out disappointing. Heavenly Sword was too short. Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted were decent, but not good enough.Even Rare's outputs this generation are better. Resistance is good but nothing to get worked up over, Gears is better. Other than that Sony hasn't done much. Killzone 2 won't be much better than Killzone, and LBP is going to disappoint. MS' first party isn't super-mega awesome, but they are pumping out games like Banjo, Gears, Halo, Fable, and many more.

I think it's funny how you ran through the negatives of all of Sony's first party, but did nothing but list MS's first party. If you're going to give an opinion, at least try to give the illusion of not being biased.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="woobabooba"]

LOL if microsoft wants to compete with sony they will need to start their own first party development studios and make some exclusive 360 games.

Right now microsoft basically depends on third party multiplatform games.

microsoft need's some goddamn exclusive games.

sony wins much more first party games/development studi

/THREAD

skektek

On paper, Sony has better first party.

Until the games come out.

Lair was flat out disappointing. Heavenly Sword was too short. Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted were decent, but not good enough.Even Rare's outputs this generation are better. Resistance is good but nothing to get worked up over, Gears is better. Other than that Sony hasn't done much. Killzone 2 won't be much better than Killzone, and LBP is going to disappoint. MS' first party isn't super-mega awesome, but they are pumping out games like Banjo, Gears, Halo, Fable, and many more.

I've played the Heavenly Sword and R&C demo, and I played Uncharted before. I don't own a PS3 so I can only play when I go to a friends/cousins house who has one. But I am far more impressed by MS' first/second party offerings this generation than Sony.

your wrong.....why did sony sell sooooooooooooo many more systems than its competitors the last two gens prior to this one. If your theory were true, the other two competitors would have acumulated in total the same amount of sales as sony.MikeE21286

Here's a new theory:

N64 vs PS1 - PS1 is inferior graphically, N64 has 4 player - PS1 wins by good games library
Xbox vs PS2 - PS2 is inferior graphically and still 2 ports, Xbox creates Halo brand - PS2 wins by good games library
360 vs PS3 - 360 is inferior by CPU, PS3 is inferior by GPU but stronger CELL chip - 360 wins by good games library

Seems gamers follow the games. Of course the Wii jumps in there, its inferior to 360 and PS3 yet it truly wins based on sales. Seems the less technological system wins by being an easier system to program on, as less effects need to be programmed, and developers make games quicker and easier for that console, thus the good game libraries follow the less technological console, and the gamers follow that also. Even if the wii has crappy games by someones opinion, it is still the leader this generation, and the 360 is still trumping the PS3 based on the quality and amount of games available.

[QUOTE="skektek"]I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you probably haven't even played any of those games despite what you might claim.AHUGECAT

I've played the Heavenly Sword and R&C demo, and I played Uncharted before. I don't own a PS3 so I can only play when I go to a friends/cousins house who has one. But I am far more impressed by MS' first/second party offerings this generation than Sony.

Step aside, we have a PS3 expert here. :roll:

your wrong.....why did sony sell sooooooooooooo many more systems than its competitors the last two gens prior to this one. If your theory were true, the other two competitors would have acumulated in total the same amount of sales as sony.MikeE21286

Wrong. What I said was that the PS2 never gave you the full experience because it lacked many genres, notable FPS and WRPGs. And the PS2 was just a PS1 with the Emotion Engine, Graphics Synthesizer and DVD.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]your wrong.....why did sony sell sooooooooooooo many more systems than its competitors the last two gens prior to this one. If your theory were true, the other two competitors would have acumulated in total the same amount of sales as sony.AHUGECAT

Wrong. What I said was that the PS2 never gave you the full experience because it lacked many genres, notable FPS and WRPGs. And the PS2 was just a PS1 with the Emotion Engine, Graphics Synthesizer and DVD.

All I was doing was picking apart your comment, I didn't pull it outta thin air.....

you always needed a secondary console to compliment it. AHUGECAT

When someone with a mario avatar start talking about the playstation brand they probally don't know what there talking about.What do you know you have a mario avatar.Iceman2911

What a thoughtful contribution to this thread. Should I assume that because you have an anime avatar that you're a prebuscent nerd that doesn't speak English?

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][but despite all of this it still had arguably the best games library in history. AHUGECAT

Technically, you're probably right. But the problem is that it didn't cover all fronts - most of its shooters were substandard (with SOCOM and Red Faction as the exceptions... but I don't think the latter had online multiplayer), and it only had 2 controller ports, so it couldn't have games like Halo. Also it lacked WRPGs and thus games like Jade Empire, KOTOR and Fable. The Xbox was practically required last generation to compliment the PS2.

Wow, I guess thats why MS sold 120 million of them, huh?

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

-Yes it did. Medal of Honor? Quake 2? Time Crisis? Resident Evil Survivor? Star Wars: Dark Forces? It may not have a great deal, but it had a small bit of them. Not all multiplayer games are FPSs, there are a bunch of multiplayed games on the PS1, as well. PS1 has a strong suite of RPGs that the N64 didn't, if I am thinking correctly. You always need a second console if you want completion.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

- Is that a major thing that is didnt have the four controller slots like the others, not like previous consoles always had 4. Gamecube had no hard drive, and you needed a addition piece to play online with it, and it lacked as less online games than the PS2. PS2 has a good deal of FPSs, Timespliters, Killzone, SW:Battlefront, Red Faction etc. Xbox lacked JRPGs. and gamecube has no WRPGs either. So they all lacked something or other.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

-PS3 isn't a shooter console, it has even more shooter than its previous consoles but did you complain it was lacking, so rejoice? Anyways, it has a great deal of other good games. Yes, itsa good experience, but it still has a flaws like all of them. You can't really be complete is just one. PS3 may not been as great as the previous entries but it not as bad as people put it. The PS3 does have some and gaining a few more RTS. It has a few SRPGs and will be getting End War and maybe CnC3.

The Xbox 360 has the chance to become the greatest console ever.

-There is no greatest console ever, thats only perference.

AHUGECAT

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

The Xbox 360 has t he chance to become the greatest console ever.

WhenTheTwoFace

The PS2 and 360 are the best consoles ever, yes.

[QUOTE="WhenTheTwoFace"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It has never been the complete experience. You always needed a secondary console to compliment it. The PS1 had almost no shooters, while the N64 had Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It didn't have a lot of multiplayer games, thus you needed an N64.

The PS2 only had TWO controller ports (WTH?), no hard drive, no ethernet, no first person shooters, no WRPGs... you needed an Xbox if you wanted the full gaming experience.

Sony tried to rectify the problem with the PS3 by making it a shooter console, but it fails on so many fronts. The Xbox 360 is the complete experience - every genre is represented with many standout titles. Even genres that were laughed at on consoles previously have found a home on the 360 (strategy games the most prominent example).

The Xbox 360 has t he chance to become the greatest console ever.

mikhail_tisoy

The PS2 and 360 are the best consoles ever, yes.

I guess you guys just started gaming last gen? Where's the SNES and so forth?