the ps2 DID NOT become number one on its own merits and why ps3 will fail

    The creators of Final fantasy and GTA, BOTH respective creators now making exclusive games for the 360,  

So GTA 4 and New Final Fantasy games are being released for PS3? Think about.

    The creators of Final fantasy and GTA, BOTH respective creators now making exclusive games for the 360,  

So GTA 4 and New Final Fantasy games aren't being released for PS3? Think about it, it will click in a minute.

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What it all boiled down to is people trusted the SOE brand after the original Playstation.  It's that simple.  Did it help they had some exclusives, of course.  In the end people just trusted the SOE name over everyone else.....that in turn lead to developers believing in the PS2 machine over everyone else.

Remember, Xbox had plenty of exclusives as well and the games looked better graphically.  That should put to rest this idea that graphics and exclusives alone is enough to make you a winner.  Right now I believe the only thing stopping SOE from taking the market by storm is the price point.

• Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (14 million)[91] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX LATER
• Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million)[92][93] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX LATER
• Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million)[83]
• Grand Theft Auto III (11 million)[92] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX LATER
• Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)[94]
• Kingdom Hearts (5.6 million shipped)[64]
• Final Fantasy X (5 million)[11]
• Devil May Cry (4 million)[95]
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (3.7 million)[96]
• Final Fantasy XII (2.38 million in Japan only,[97] 1.3 million in US only,[53] approximately 3.68 million)
• Madden NFL 2004 (3.5 million in US only)[93]NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (3.48 million in Japan only)[37]
• Kingdom Hearts II (3.5 million shipped)[64]
• Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (3.2 million)[98]
• Final Fantasy X-2 (3 million)[99]
• WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 (2.9 million)[100]
• Madden NFL 07 (2.8 million in US only)[53] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Need for Speed: Underground (2.6 million in US only)[93]
• Medal of Honor: Frontline (2.5 million in US only)[93] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Spider-Man: The Movie (2.1 million in US only)[101] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (2.1 million in US only)[101]NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW (2 million)[100]
• Resident Evil 4 (2 million)[38] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON GC 
• ATV Offroad Fury (1.7 million in US only)[101]
• NBA Street (1.7 million in US only)[101] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Dragon Ball Z: Budokai (1.7 million in US only)[101]
• ESPN NFL 2K5 (1.7 million in US only)[102] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX
• Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (1.7 million in US only)[102]
• Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies (1.7 million in US only)[102]
• Dragon Quest V (1.61 million in Japan only)[37]
• Max Payne (1.6 million in US only)[102] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX
• The Simpsons Road Rage (1.6 million in US only)[102] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• NBA Live 2005 (1.6 million in US only)[102] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (1.56 million in US only)[40]
• Midnight Club: Street Racing (1.5 million in US only)[103]
• Star Wars: Battlefront (1.5 million in US only)[103] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX
• James Bond 007: Agent Under Fire (1.5 million in US only)[103] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (1.5 million in US only)[102] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• True Crime: Streets of LA (1.5 million in US only)[102] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Resident Evil Outbreak (1.45 million)[38]
• Tekken Tag Tournament (1.4 million in US only)[103]
• Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance (1.4 million in US only)[103]NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs (1.4 million in US only)[103]
• Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (1.4 million)[38]
• Guitar Hero II (1.3 million in US only)[53]
• Enter the Matrix (1.2 million in US only)[103] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Call of Duty: Finest Hour (1.2 million in US only)[104]
• NCAA Football 06 (1.2 million in US only)[104] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Spider-Man 2 (1.12 million in US only)[40]
• Ratchet & Clank (1.1 million in US only)[104]
• Hitman 2: Silent Assassin (1.1 million in US only)[104] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (1.1 million in US only)[104]
• The Sims (1.1 million in US only)[104] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth (1.1 million in US only)[104]
• Winning Eleven 10 (1.04 million in Japan only)[105]
• God of War (1 million in US only)[106]
• ESPN NBA 2K5 (1 million in US only)[106] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX
• Pac-Man World 2 (1 million in US only)[106] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• MVP Baseball 2005 (1 million in US only)[106] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Lego Star Wars: The Video Game (1 million in US only)[106] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX
• The Getaway (1 million in US only)[106]
• Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 (1 million in US only)[106] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• NCAA Football '07 (1 million in US only)[53] NON EXCLUSIVE - APPEARED ON XBOX AND GC 
• Bully (1 million)[107]

Its simple,  the ps2 DID NOT sell it's self. Anyone who can see past FANBOY logic knows this.

  The reasons the ps2 sold so good are GTA and Final Fantasy.  And a good head start.....sound familiar?  You see, now that GTA is multiplat and the fact that FF will more than likely come to 360....and theres enough going around to support this....sony has NOTHING to offer its hardcore base....or anyone for that matter, esp the casual gamer.

   And dont even get me started with the fact that MS has secured MORE 1st party hits, 3rd party hits, The creators of Final fantasy and GTA, BOTH respective creators now making exclusive games for the 360, along a respectable "foot in the door" in the land to the east....and only fanboys will deny this because the REST of the industry has already admitted to this.

  Microsoft also leads the way with XBL and has MORE Multimedia support(burger king=record sales with thier BK games, Mountin Dew, and the has become the MEDIA choice product in sitcoms and movies).

   You see, in the past, sony had ALL the games....its no secret. Its called exclusives. and while MANY a sony fanboy are now crying..."EXCLUSIVES dont matter anymore"....lol...and its like when the little kid screams " YOUR NOT MY BUDDY ANYMORE". of course cows are gonna say this...as GTA now sux, and if Final Fantasy and MGS(overrated) comes to MS...im sure these games will also become overnight "OH WELL THESE GAMES SUCK ANYWAYZ".

   Its not the 90's, sony does NOT have anymore claim to "WE HAVE ALL THE GAMES", and the Wii is stealing more of sony's thunder than any cow will admit.  And i havent even Named the Killer apps and exlusive GIANTS that Microsoft has under its belt. All in all...sony will never be the same.....to bad the fanboys cant follow suite :P

jazreal

I mostly agree. PS2 sold better than Xbox and GC for two main reasons:

1. Because it got all the 3rd party support, simply because it was part of the Playstation brand and it was coming off the back of the hugely successful original Playstation.

2. It had a years head start and therefore had far more sales and a superior games library by the time the other two consoles came out and therefore it one again received continuing overwhelming 3rd party support.

The Xbox was, by far, the superior games console of last generation (as a piece of hardware and in the features and services it offered gamers), and this is coming from a Sheep. Only it's 3rd party support was second to PS2, and therefore it's inevitable sales, but this will not happen this gen. This generation will show the difference between last, because now Sony and Microsoft are on very similar ground and Xbox 360 will also get most of the same 3rd party exclusives as PS3. It will be a much closer battle between the 2 giants and anyone who thinks different is just being an ignorant fanboy.

I don't know who will do better out of Xbox 360 and PS3 but it won't be by a big margin, that is for sure.

Ninty will do it's own thing of course and may even end up selling more than the other 2 machines just because it is offering something that the casuals and non-gamers can easily buy into and enjoy for it's sheer simplicity and novelty value...

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"][QUOTE="GsSanAndreas"]Silly Lemmings r funny. The ps2 sold because it had the best games, plain and simple, it had the largest selection, most AAA's. And dvd playback. and people expected it to be amazing since PS1 was amazingGsSanAndreas

 Nearly 15 million its first year is hardly a bad start. a 9.4 SSX and 9.6 tekken tag is hardly bad...

Ps2 won because of its headstart, it had a MASSIVE lead, and all the bs sony came up with sold consoles. Which forced the rest of the developers to focus on the ps2. Developers made the ps2, not damn sony. 

Gta was multi platform last generation and as of now, final fantasy is PS3 exclusive.meischris39

Gta was timed exclusive, and for its fanbase that was enough. Gta is a bigger blow to sony than losing FF7 to the N64. Much Muhc MUCH bigger. You're an utter fanboy if you believe the ps2 won via the quality of the console. It won because of its headstart and hence huge developer support.