The PS3 came out a year after 360 and doesnt have better graphics

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

LOL all you console peasants are still living in 2006. Seriously how is it even possible to play on such dated hardware at this point?

vtoshkatur

And your rig is 2008 tech which is ancient tech in the PC world :P

And yea, Crysis on the consoles looks worse than the PC version but can you show me a PC that runs Crysis with only 256 megs system RAM? Because that's how much the PS3 has ;)

The ps3 has 512 mb of ram. Split off into 256mbs of system ram and 256 mbs of video ram.

Exactly, it has only 256 megs of system RAM and 256 of V-RAM. Compare that to PCs which have 2-4 gigs of system RAM on average and 512 megs - 1 gig V-RAM on average. You need atleast 1 gig of system RAM to run Crysis on the PC as far as I know.

And the difference between 256 and 512 megs of system RAM is deff. not small for a console.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

LOL all you console peasants are still living in 2006. Seriously how is it even possible to play on such dated hardware at this point?

vtoshkatur

And your rig is 2008 tech which is ancient tech in the PC world :P

And yea, Crysis on the consoles looks worse than the PC version but can you show me a PC that runs Crysis with only 256 megs system RAM? Because that's how much the PS3 has ;)

The ps3 has 512 mb of ram. Split off into 256mbs of system ram and 256 mbs of video ram. Either way the difference beteween 256 and 512mbs is pretty much a wash.

Like three days ago I was going through my old computer junk parts (I don't know why I haven't just thrown them away) and I found a 64mb stick of ram. And a 512mb hard drive. Those were the days... lol

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="slim70"]Ahh.. so you know more than John Carmack then I guess eh? So what games have you developed lately for the 360 and PS3? UC3 being marginally better than anything on the 360 is subjective and using that as a measuring stick to compare the capabilities of the two consoles makes you look like an idiot! Especially since the game-play graphics are so inconsistant and the multi-player looks like fuking ass! So whats marginally better about UC3 than any other console game exactly? Do you have any irrefutable evidence to support this claim? I bet any minuscule reasons that you magically come up with can be argued against by anyone and their pet dog. :roll:

slim70

And again, using UC3 as a measurment to compare garaphical capabilities between the two consoles makes you look silly considering all it's inconsistencies.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="nurnberg"]

It's hard to have better graphics when 99% of the game are developped for the 360 then ported to the PS3 with no change at all.

slim70

[QUOTE="slim70"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]thats just plain wrong, a lot of multiplats that where coded from the ground up on both consoles perform marginally better on the 360, crysis 2 runs in a higher resolution on the 360, RDR is HD on the 360, sub HD on the ps3 and don't get me started on ghostbusters, Ps3 was the lead platform yet it looked and performed noticeably better on the 360. That being said the TC is full of crap, uncharted 3 is arguably the best looking game on consoles, both are just as competent as each other but the Ps3 has a marginal edge in the graphics department.monkeysmoke

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="slim70"]What? Seriously tell us why you figure that the PS3 has a marginal edge graphically over the 360 because I'm so fuking curious to how this could possibly be when the PS3 has half the usable RAM that the 360 does and an inferior by far GPU? Wait! let me guess.. the Cell seems to magically overcome the lack of RAM and the need of a GPU? Hell.. why did Sony even bother with the RSX if the Cell can work so much fuking blackmagic? Dude you need to get off Sonys nutsack and come back to reality this aint 2007 anymore.

ArcFatalix

[QUOTE="slim70"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]everything i just told you came from carmack, it is carmack who said that the ps3 was marginally more powerful than the 360 but you had to work really hard to reach that theoretical peak in performance, he also stated that he could provide benchmarks that would show both to be superior in different areas but he prefered the toools on the xbox 360.delta3074

And again, using UC3 as a measurment to compare garaphical capabilities between the two consoles makes you look silly considering all it's inconsistencies.

- PS3 Has "Tight memory, Poor IO Performance" – John Carmack -

"we don't know of anything we can do to improve ps3 performance much, especially on wasteland. Tight memory, poor IO performance."

"The PS3 does lag a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it. The rasteriser is just a little bit slower – no two ways about that. The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. Processing wise, the main CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's where a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

http://www.gamersmint.com/ps3-has-tight-memory-poor-io-performance-john-carmack

AhmedElblassyAhmed Elblassy

@ID_AA_CarmackWhy You Think X360 More PowerFull Than Ps3 But The Ps3 Have 1 Core And 7 Spu And Have 50 Giga Disk And Have Rsx Why ?

19 Aug

ID_AA_CarmackJohn Carmack

@AhmedElblassyps3 has more raw CPU power, but 360 has more GPU, avail memory, and is easier to develop for.

http://twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack

I originally replied to you because of the silly remark you made about how you thought that the PS3 has some marginal edge in the graphics department. I also went on about the 360 having more available RAM then the PS3, you then replied back to me going on about some crazy nonsense on how the Cell can some how compensate for this (why I called you a liar) and that's probably why this bullsh*t has continued. I then mentioned John Carmack to back up my "360 has more available memory" claim and you replied back to me with a quote from him that had nothing to do with that.

Anyway that's what this was all about and I have proved my point with the above links; while your off out in left field somewhere posting quotes from Carmack about the power differences in both CPU's (*note* in above quote that Carmack states that both CPU's are about the same) which I really don't give a sh*t about anyhow btw, but just saying.

(1) I don't need to read a book on why RRoD existed dude I personally went through 5 myself and from the information that I gathered around the net at that time, I came to the assumption that it had something to do with an X bracket and lead free solder (Sony was using the same lead free solder too btw).

(2) I believe that the Xenos pushes twice the amount of pixels then the RSX something like 500 million triangles a second compared to 250 million a second for the RSX.

(3) I've been gaming since the late 70's btw.

[QUOTE="slim70"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]thats just plain wrong, a lot of multiplats that where coded from the ground up on both consoles perform marginally better on the 360, crysis 2 runs in a higher resolution on the 360, RDR is HD on the 360, sub HD on the ps3 and don't get me started on ghostbusters, Ps3 was the lead platform yet it looked and performed noticeably better on the 360. That being said the TC is full of crap, uncharted 3 is arguably the best looking game on consoles, both are just as competent as each other but the Ps3 has a marginal edge in the graphics department.monkeysmoke

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead in image quality, effects and things going on screen

Crysis 1-2 look way better too, next year Witcher 2 and Ryse on 360 will look far better as well

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="slim70"]What? Seriously tell us why you figure that the PS3 has a marginal edge graphically over the 360 because I'm so fuking curious to how this could possibly be when the PS3 has half the usable RAM that the 360 does and an inferior by far GPU? Wait! let me guess.. the Cell seems to magically overcome the lack of RAM and the need of a GPU? Hell.. why did Sony even bother with the RSX if the Cell can work so much fuking blackmagic? Dude you need to get off Sonys nutsack and come back to reality this aint 2007 anymore.

loosingENDS

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead in image quality, effects and things going on screen

Crysis 1-2 look way better too, next year Witcher 2 and Ryse on 360 will look far better as well

Lol no.

oh wait its you.

Played Gears 3 looks good defo a great looking game but its not a gen ahead unless you wear lemming specs.

First

Consoles are not "powerful" forget the hype about "next gen" and all that crap, the hardware is weak.

Second

That does not mean they are not worth having or enjoyable because devs get the most out of the puny hardware.

Third

PS3 is not better than 360 as a hardware platform, it's better than 360 in terms of having lots of devs.

Basically PS3 has better devs.

360 = multiplats

PS3 = exclusives

PC > both

It's that simple, argument over.

First

Consoles are not "powerful" forget the hype about "next gen" and all that crap, the hardware is weak.

Second

That does not mean they are not worth having or enjoyable because devs get the most out of the puny hardware.

Third

PS3 is not better than 360 as a hardware platform, it's better than 360 in terms of having lots of devs.

Basically PS3 has better devs.

360 = multiplats

PS3 = exclusives

PC > both

It's that simple, argument over.

LazySloth718

Teh fact is i like 10x more 360 exclusives than PS3 ones

Actually the only PS3 exclusives i have enjoyed a lot is Demons Souls and Folklore

So, PS3 may have more exlusives, but that means nothing if they are terrible quality

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

First

Consoles are not "powerful" forget the hype about "next gen" and all that crap, the hardware is weak.

Second

That does not mean they are not worth having or enjoyable because devs get the most out of the puny hardware.

Third

PS3 is not better than 360 as a hardware platform, it's better than 360 in terms of having lots of devs.

Basically PS3 has better devs.

360 = multiplats

PS3 = exclusives

PC > both

It's that simple, argument over.

loosingENDS

Teh fact is i like 10x more 360 exclusives than PS3 ones

Actually the only PS3 exclusives i have enjoyed a lot is Demons Souls and Folklore

So, PS3 may have more exlusives, but that means nothing if they are terrible quality

Which ones did you play?

It's true that taste has alot to do with it.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

First

Consoles are not "powerful" forget the hype about "next gen" and all that crap, the hardware is weak.

Second

That does not mean they are not worth having or enjoyable because devs get the most out of the puny hardware.

Third

PS3 is not better than 360 as a hardware platform, it's better than 360 in terms of having lots of devs.

Basically PS3 has better devs.

360 = multiplats

PS3 = exclusives

PC > both

It's that simple, argument over.

LazySloth718

Teh fact is i like 10x more 360 exclusives than PS3 ones

Actually the only PS3 exclusives i have enjoyed a lot is Demons Souls and Folklore

So, PS3 may have more exlusives, but that means nothing if they are terrible quality

Which ones did you play?

It's true that taste has alot to do with it.

I have rented almost all big PS3 titles, i even bought MGS4 and Uncharted 1

I have yet to play Uncharted 3

Demons Souls is the only PS3 game so far that i would buy a system for

I have rented almost all big PS3 titles, i even bought MGS4 and Uncharted 1

I have yet to play Uncharted 3

Demons Souls is the only PS3 game so far that i would buy a system for

loosingENDS

Check out MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1, Dead Nation, Motorstorm

If that don't make you a PS3 lover nothing will.

Also enjoy PS Home, it's a fun environment.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I have rented almost all big PS3 titles, i even bought MGS4 and Uncharted 1

I have yet to play Uncharted 3

Demons Souls is the only PS3 game so far that i would buy a system for

LazySloth718

Check out MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1, Dead Nation, Motorstorm

If that don't make you a PS3 lover nothing will.

Also enjoy PS Home, it's a fun environment.

I mainly play RPGs and adventures or anything that is epic/medieval enough, so racers and shooters mean nothing to me (unless is Project Offset)

I have played Heavy Rain of course, good game

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I have rented almost all big PS3 titles, i even bought MGS4 and Uncharted 1

I have yet to play Uncharted 3

Demons Souls is the only PS3 game so far that i would buy a system for

loosingENDS

Check out MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1, Dead Nation, Motorstorm

If that don't make you a PS3 lover nothing will.

Also enjoy PS Home, it's a fun environment.

I mainly play RPGs and adventures or anything that is epic/medieval enough, so racers and shooters mean nothing to me (unless is Project Offset)

I have played Heavy Rain of course, good game

Folklore

underrated little gem.

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I have rented almost all big PS3 titles, i even bought MGS4 and Uncharted 1

I have yet to play Uncharted 3

Demons Souls is the only PS3 game so far that i would buy a system for

loosingENDS

Check out MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1, Dead Nation, Motorstorm

If that don't make you a PS3 lover nothing will.

Also enjoy PS Home, it's a fun environment.

I mainly play RPGs and adventures or anything that is epic/medieval enough, so racers and shooters mean nothing to me (unless is Project Offset)

I have played Heavy Rain of course, good game

Who says you only have to have 1 box in the house.

360 : Fallout, Elder Scrolls, misc multiplats (couch + controller preferred)

PS3 : Exclusives and "Deep" games like LA Noire, chatting on Home, etc

PC : Wow, Starcraft, anything where a mouse is better, flight sims, etc

I don't really rage against any 1 platform.

I rage against....this board...these people make me angry.

Need to get off this board or I'll be on the six-oclock news for homicide.

For the record I think you're one of more intelligent and open-minded posters here.

Later

Xbox couldn't run

Uncharted 2
Uncharted 3
Killzone 2
Killzone 3
God Of War 3
Metal Gear Solid 4
Gran Turismo 5
Little Big Planet 2
Heavy Rain

And the upcoming ..

Last Of Us
The Last Guardian

Xbox couldn't run

Uncharted 2
Uncharted 3
Killzone 2
Killzone 3
God Of War 3
Metal Gear Solid 4
Gran Turismo 5
Little Big Planet 2
Heavy Rain

And the upcoming ..

Last Of Us
The Last Guardian

ants83

Yeah sure. And PS3 couldn't run Fable III and Crackdown :lol:

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="slim70"]Lies!!! Carmack never said any of that copy/paste N4G fan-boy crap that you posted ever! except for the Cell being marginally more powerful than the Xenon, this is clearly verifiable. But to be honest that could mean anything. He even clearly states in his last tweet that the PS3 has less RAM than the 360 to work with and that's easily verifiable. What I want to know is why do people like you suddenly become ignorant and just automatically think that his comment means better graphics, even if just a slight advantage when it seems that you don't even factor in the advanced Xenos GPU in the 360? Can you even unequivocally pinpoint what that slight advantage may be and why if any? I'll bet you can't because there's no proof that it even factually exists.

And again, using UC3 as a measurment to compare garaphical capabilities between the two consoles makes you look silly considering all it's inconsistencies.

slim70

- PS3 Has "Tight memory, Poor IO Performance" – John Carmack -

"we don't know of anything we can do to improve ps3 performance much, especially on wasteland. Tight memory, poor IO performance."

"The PS3 does lag a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it. The rasteriser is just a little bit slower – no two ways about that. The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. Processing wise, the main CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's where a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

http://www.gamersmint.com/ps3-has-tight-memory-poor-io-performance-john-carmack

AhmedElblassyAhmed Elblassy

@ID_AA_CarmackWhy You Think X360 More PowerFull Than Ps3 But The Ps3 Have 1 Core And 7 Spu And Have 50 Giga Disk And Have Rsx Why ?

19 Aug

ID_AA_CarmackJohn Carmack

@AhmedElblassyps3 has more raw CPU power, but 360 has more GPU, avail memory, and is easier to develop for.

http://twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack

I originally replied to you because of the silly remark you made about how you thought that the PS3 has some marginal edge in the graphics department. I also went on about the 360 having more available RAM then the PS3, you then replied back to me going on about some crazy nonsense on how the Cell can some how compensate for this (why I called you a liar) and that's probably why this bullsh*t has continued. I then mentioned John Carmack to back up my "360 has more available memory" claim and you replied back to me with a quote from him that had nothing to do with that.

Anyway that's what this was all about and I have proved my point with the above links; while your off out in left field somewhere posting quotes from Carmack about the power differences in both CPU's (*note* in above quote that Carmack states that both CPU's are about the same) which I really don't give a sh*t about anyhow btw, but just saying.

(1) I don't need to read a book on why RRoD existed dude I personally went through 5 myself and from the information that I gathered around the net at that time, I came to the assumption that it had something to do with an X bracket and lead free solder (Sony was using the same lead free solder too btw).

(2) I believe that the Xenos pushes twice the amount of pixels then the RSX something like 500 million triangles a second compared to 250 million a second for the RSX.

(3) I've been gaming since the late 70's btw.

and people were telling me time travel wasn't possible...

here I am in 2008. Shabow!

ps3 games look better then 360 games. it is a fact. but not many people would know that because the ps3 games don't get bought.

ps3 games look better then 360 games. it is a fact. but not many people would know that because the ps3 games don't get bought.

JETS-JETS-JETS

GT5 sales figures to date sold 7 million aswell as there being a good few million Uncharted games being shifted aswell.

ps3 games look better then 360 games. it is a fact. but not many people would know that because the ps3 games don't get bought.

JETS-JETS-JETS

[QUOTE="JETS-JETS-JETS"]

ps3 games look better then 360 games. it is a fact. but not many people would know that because the ps3 games don't get bought.

razgriz_101

GT5 sales figures to date sold 7 million aswell as there being a good few million Uncharted games being shifted aswell.

a racing game is your strongest selling game. name one more ps3 exclusive that has 7 million is sales. yea uncharted 123 sold 13 million combined...as your flag ship title. now go compare nintendos mario n 360s halo.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="JETS-JETS-JETS"]

ps3 games look better then 360 games. it is a fact. but not many people would know that because the ps3 games don't get bought.

JETS-JETS-JETS

GT5 sales figures to date sold 7 million aswell as there being a good few million Uncharted games being shifted aswell.

a racing game is your strongest selling game. name one more ps3 exclusive that has 7 million is sales. yea uncharted 123 sold 13 million combined...as your flag ship title. now go compare nintendos mario n 360s halo.

I play on 360 and PS3 where as you seem to be the one here thats the lemming playing the sales game.

Pro tip i play games not sales.Also whats wrong bout a racing game because it doesnt have guns it should be cast aside cause thats just flat out stupid that your refuting something on the grounds of genre and shows who is the real fanboy here :)

[QUOTE="ants83"]

Xbox couldn't run

Uncharted 2
Uncharted 3
Killzone 2
Killzone 3
God Of War 3
Metal Gear Solid 4
Gran Turismo 5
Little Big Planet 2
Heavy Rain

And the upcoming ..

Last Of Us
The Last Guardian

waltefmoney

Yeah sure. And PS3 couldn't run Fable III and Crackdown :lol:

Nope Im not sure at all, Im just saying my PS3 games look better than my Xbox games, maybe its the developers not trying hard enough, who knows!! :-)

ants83

Yet you list games that aren't released yet. So you own The Last Guardian and Last of Us?

[QUOTE="ants83"]

Nope Im not sure at all, Im just saying my PS3 games look better than my Xbox games, maybe its the developers not trying hard enough, who knows!! :-)

waltefmoney

Yet you list games that aren't released yet. So you own The Last Guardian and Last of Us?

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Check out MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1, Dead Nation, Motorstorm

If that don't make you a PS3 lover nothing will.

Also enjoy PS Home, it's a fun environment.

LazySloth718

I mainly play RPGs and adventures or anything that is epic/medieval enough, so racers and shooters mean nothing to me (unless is Project Offset)

I have played Heavy Rain of course, good game

Who says you only have to have 1 box in the house.

360 : Fallout, Elder Scrolls, misc multiplats (couch + controller preferred)

PS3 : Exclusives and "Deep" games like LA Noire, chatting on Home, etc

PC : Wow, Starcraft, anything where a mouse is better, flight sims, etc

I don't really rage against any 1 platform.

I rage against....this board...these people make me angry.

Need to get off this board or I'll be on the six-oclock news for homicide.

For the record I think you're one of more intelligent and open-minded posters here.

Later

Personally i always buy all home systems, never had any handhelds though

WiiU might be the first home console that i wont buy, since with Nintendo is better to wait for the next system and i tend to want to stop supporting them

But it is not sure, maybe they come up with many RPGs and i get one, who knows

I like this forum myself, it is so relaxing, everything has a purpose

I use NeoGaf to actuall talk about games

No my friend, they just look ace!!

ants83

So you are going on blind faith and hype. Good to know, thanks.

[QUOTE="ants83"]

No my friend, they just look ace!!

waltefmoney

So you are going on blind faith and hype. Good to know, thanks.

Is there not gameplay videos for Last Guardian? My eyeballs in my head send that info to my brain.

Not sure if Last Of Us is ingame but whatever.

thats just plain wrong, a lot of multiplats that where coded from the ground up on both consoles perform marginally better on the 360, crysis 2 runs in a higher resolution on the 360, RDR is HD on the 360, sub HD on the ps3 and don't get me started on ghostbusters, Ps3 was the lead platform yet it looked and performed noticeably better on the 360. That being said the TC is full of crap, uncharted 3 is arguably the best looking game on consoles, both are just as competent as each other but the Ps3 has a marginal edge in the graphics department.delta3074

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="slim70"]What? Seriously tell us why you figure that the PS3 has a marginal edge graphically over the 360 because I'm so fuking curious to how this could possibly be when the PS3 has half the usable RAM that the 360 does and an inferior by far GPU? Wait! let me guess.. the Cell seems to magically overcome the lack of RAM and the need of a GPU? Hell.. why did Sony even bother with the RSX if the Cell can work so much fuking blackmagic? Dude you need to get off Sonys nutsack and come back to reality this aint 2007 anymore.

Phazevariance

and Forza 4.

ps3 games look better then 360 games. it is a fact. but not many people would know that because the ps3 games don't get bought.

JETS-JETS-JETS

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="slim70"]What? Seriously tell us why you figure that the PS3 has a marginal edge graphically over the 360 because I'm so fuking curious to how this could possibly be when the PS3 has half the usable RAM that the 360 does and an inferior by far GPU? Wait! let me guess.. the Cell seems to magically overcome the lack of RAM and the need of a GPU? Hell.. why did Sony even bother with the RSX if the Cell can work so much fuking blackmagic? Dude you need to get off Sonys nutsack and come back to reality this aint 2007 anymore.

Phazevariance

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead of Uncharted 3 in image quality and effects/things going on screen imo

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="monkeysmoke"] Show me a game on 360 that looks good as Uncharted 3........:ploosingENDS

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead of Uncharted 3 in image quality and effects/things going on screen imo

To those who dont wear prescription lemming glasses from microsoft it doesnt...go and play both instead of blowing it out your ass like a complete and utter numpty.

Yes it has better graphics.

And better exclusives.

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead of Uncharted 3 in image quality and effects/things going on screen imo

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Gears 3razgriz_101

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead of Uncharted 3 in image quality and effects/things going on screen imo

To those who dont wear prescription lemming glasses from microsoft it doesnt...go and play both instead of blowing it out your ass like a complete and utter numpty.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead of Uncharted 3 in image quality and effects/things going on screen imo

slim70

To those who dont wear prescription lemming glasses from microsoft it doesnt...go and play both instead of blowing it out your ass like a complete and utter numpty.

Nope, far from a fanboy just fed up of hims spouting verbal diahorrea that is just insanely stupid and easy to counter argue with complete ease.

Own a 360,Wii and a PS3 so yup doubt im gonna fanboy and it might be worth checking my gaming history my PS3 aint been on since early october.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Gears 3 looks a generation ahead of Uncharted 3 in image quality and effects/things going on screen imo

Kane04