The PS3 Exclusives in 2011 have made it the best. . .

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] I was just playing Gears 2 online and it took about 30 seconds to find a match full of actual opponents. -Snooze-

• 9/19/2010 12:40PM
• Warzone
• Security

Team Score5

Team Place1

Player Score1,970

Player Place1

Kills12

Deaths3

Assists0

Revives0

Time in Cover00:00:18

Longest Kill Streak9

Game Length00:05:16

That couldnt have taken long for me to find a game ...

I'm not sure how to interpret this, but a look on Killzone.com shows well ... Very few people playing KZ2

I'm not sure how to interpret this, but a look on Killzone.com shows well ... Very few people playing KZ2

-Snooze-

Everyone knows those stats are BS. 0 logged in players with 257 players wut?

257 players in 355 games doesn't work either.

[QUOTE="Unfarted"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Your wrong sorry, different genres, different standards, scores mean different things. Point 2 outselling means crap stop bringing it up. Point 3 Gears got a free pass on reviews don't ignore that, That's probably why Gamespot ever since Gears 2 disaster of a review because of how broken the online was and they didn't mention a thing in the review always wait till AFTER launch, they never did that before Gears 2. And point 4 theres no way Gears 2 has more people then Killzone 2. Maybe Gears 1 I wouldn't know, Gears 2 died a LONG time ago. ArtisTool

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"] I'm sorry either you got lucky, or they fixed the problem in the last few months or I call BS, because I sold Gears 2 because of this. On launch it was unplayable, then it was semifixed for a while but I still hated it, then it just died out and took forever to find matches. If you regularly played I'm positive you'll agree with what I'm saying, I wouldn't be trying to BS Gears 2 owners...ArtisTool

• 9/19/2010 12:40PM
• Warzone
• Security

Team Score5

Team Place1

Player Score1,970

Player Place1

Kills12

Deaths3

Assists0

Revives0

Time in Cover00:00:18

Longest Kill Streak9

Game Length00:05:16

That couldnt have taken long for me to find a game ...

It proves that in the short time between posts i've not only found a game, but finished it. Debunking the "Barely find a game with 2 real people"

Gears was a disastor that outscored, outsold and is played more then KZ2. By the way,I own KZ2 and have since launch, so you can't tell me there are tons of games with 32 people in.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]demons souls/valkyria chronicles BAM!!hexashadow13

Valkyria chronicles got lower scored the Fable 2

and so did Demos souls on GR and metacritic

Demon soul got the same score on metacritic if I remember correctly. I'll go check.

Edit: Yes it did, and outscores it on gamerankings.

oh, you're right it did, my bad

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="Unfarted"]The gears franchise pwns killzone 2, and no im not talking about sales.. Anyway, if all goes to plan it looks like sony are taking next year, i can see the ps3 selling like crazy with all those exclusives coming out, sony are doing a great job.Unfarted

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

They're in the same range, yet Gears outscored it no? Also outsold it, right?

So ... i'm not wrong am i?

-Snooze-

No one is arguing that GeoW will sell more than KZ3 though, so your just make statements that no one is even trying to dispute.

GeoW2 and KZ2 scored 9.0's in SW. In metacritic, I saw GeoW3 has 2 points avg higher than KZ2. Is that enough to be competition in terms of rankings, I believe so. Both are highly praised shooters which makes I believe warrants the 2 to be competitive in terms of the gameplay aspect as well.

I'm not leaning towards either one being better and I even enjoyed GeoW series more than the KZ series. I'm just saying the situation is what is it. They are going to compete in gameplay and rankings.

No one defined what "competeing" meant. Competition isn't normally based on opinion, so I assumed sales, which Gears win.

Fable 2 sells similar to KZ2, and, like with Gears 2 is 2 points of the meta score, so imo is better competition(Not that they're releasing near one and other)

Just a misunderstanding then. I've always thought of competing in terms of quality/sum of its parts like sports teams.

I don't base anything regarding quality on sales unless specified because naturally, it is expected for 360 exclusives/multiplats to sell more than PS3 exclusives/multiplats. If it's sales, even Fable 3 will most likely outsell KZ by a longshot.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I'm not sure how to interpret this, but a look on Killzone.com shows well ... Very few people playing KZ2

hexashadow13

Everyone knows those stats are BS. 0 logged in players with 257 players wut?

257 players in 355 games doesn't work either.

O logged into Killzone.com. Mine says more then that though.

Also, Bots could account for the games vs players. As i said, it's hard to interpret, or they could be wrong. Bungie.net is so much better

[QUOTE="Unfarted"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Nope sorry, awards at the end of the year are even more important then the immediate review scores, and Killzone 2 destroyed Gears 2 in every way except coop. Better graphics more intense well paced and designed campaign, and WAAY better multiplayer. Plus the game actually worked, which is like a HUGE plus...ArtisTool

all of that is just IYO :|

It will be funny if Gears of War 3 came to the PC. Or for that matter Reach, Xbox fanboys would have no exclusives to talk about. Alan Wake will come to the PC i sure of that.

It will be funny if Gears of War 3 came to the PC. Or for that matter Reach, Xbox fanboys would have no exclusives to talk about. Alan Wake will come to the PC i sure of that.

mattuk69

[QUOTE="Unfarted"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Nope sorry, awards at the end of the year are even more important then the immediate review scores, and Killzone 2 destroyed Gears 2 in every way except coop. Better graphics more intense well paced and designed campaign, and WAAY better multiplayer. Plus the game actually worked, which is like a HUGE plus...ArtisTool

You claiming otherwise dosen't make it so ... If it's so much better why did it not outscore Gears? Better is an opinion dude ... Quality is pretty opion based too, especially when it comes to entertainment.

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

• 9/19/2010 12:40PM
• Warzone
• Security

Team Score5

Team Place1

Player Score1,970

Player Place1

Kills12

Deaths3

Assists0

Revives0

Time in Cover00:00:18

Longest Kill Streak9

Game Length00:05:16

That couldnt have taken long for me to find a game ...

-Snooze-

It proves that in the short time between posts i've not only found a game, but finished it. Debunking the "Barely find a game with 2 real people"

Gears was a disastor that outscored, outsold and is played more then KZ2. By the way,I own KZ2 and have since launch, so you can't tell me there are tons of games with 32 people in.

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="Unfarted"]Im gunna have to disagree with you man, gears 2 works fine, i really enjoy the multiplayer. Plus theres splitscreen which me and my friends are always playing, its just a far better game imo.-Snooze-

You claiming otherwise dosen't make it so ... If it's so much better why did it not outscore Gears? Better is an opinion dude ... Quality is pretty opion based too, especially when it comes to entertainment.

WOw I'm sorry but repeeatidly bringing up scores and ignoring the fact that the reviews came out pre launch and the MP wasn't up is kind of sad, that's really being a fanboy dude ArtisTool

you mean like how you keep ignoring my argument that the review copy of Lost Odyssey that reviewers got was buggy? ;)

nice double standard there

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Why did you post that? THat doesn't prove a thing... Or you saying the things I said are lies? There are forums all over the internet complaining about the things I'm pointing out. DOn't insult me dude, I'm not that young and this is making me feel really dumb. Gears 2 was a disaster, Killzone 2 was one of the biggest surprised of the year. ArtisTool

It proves that in the short time between posts i've not only found a game, but finished it. Debunking the "Barely find a game with 2 real people"

Gears was a disastor that outscored, outsold and is played more then KZ2. By the way,I own KZ2 and have since launch, so you can't tell me there are tons of games with 32 people in.

It got more recognition then Gears 2 did, in awards. Is it a better game? Apprently not ... Gears 2 being a sequel would kinda dent any impact it would have since it's just building on top of what's already established. Does Crysis win best graphics every year? (MGS4 says no)

I wonder who won more awards, Killzone 2, or Gears 1 ... I wonder which game made a bigger impact this gen ... Hmmmm.

You keep talking aboutearly reviews, blah blah blah. Does that mean i can disregard MGS4's score since it doesn't take into consideration the TERRIBLE, online component which makes Gears 2's online release look godly.

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"]WOw I'm sorry but repeeatidly bringing up scores and ignoring the fact that the reviews came out pre launch and the MP wasn't up is kind of sad, that's really being a fanboy dude ohthemanatee

you mean like how you keep ignoring my argument that the review copy of Lost Odyssey that reviewers got was buggy? ;)

nice double standard there

] Dude no offense but are you trolling? Or are you just a HUGE fanboy? This is the last time I'm going to type this or I'll just stop responding. Different genres have different standards, FPS genre is much tougher. 100% FACT. Gears 2 got a free pass on reviews, the MP wasn't up, this fiasco led Gamespot to changing their review system untill POST launch. And AWARDS at the end of the year all went to Killzone 2, Gears 2 barely even got nominated anywhere if at all. ArtisTool

and in the end gears got the higher scores, the higher saled and the higher user score

if you like Killzone 2 better guess what? it's your opinion

If I like Gears beter, guess what? It's my opinion

Stating that Killzone 2 has better qualoty, guess what? it's your opinion

I've never spoken to you about buggy review copies I have no idea what your talking about. ArtisTool

Everytime you brushed aside Lost Odyssey I mentioned this, I mentioned this yesterday and I mentioned it the other times, but like I said, you just keep ignoring that little argument don't you?

It's a very nice double standard you got going on there

P.S. it's a free forum

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"]] Dude no offense but are you trolling? Or are you just a HUGE fanboy? This is the last time I'm going to type this or I'll just stop responding. Different genres have different standards, FPS genre is much tougher. 100% FACT. Gears 2 got a free pass on reviews, the MP wasn't up, this fiasco led Gamespot to changing their review system untill POST launch. And AWARDS at the end of the year all went to Killzone 2, Gears 2 barely even got nominated anywhere if at all. ArtisTool

and in the end gears got the higher scores, the higher saled and the higher user score

if you like Killzone 2 better guess what? it's your opinion

If I like Gears beter, guess what? It's my opinion

Stating that Killzone 2 has better qualoty, guess what? it's your opinion

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"]] Dude no offense but are you trolling? Or are you just a HUGE fanboy? This is the last time I'm going to type this or I'll just stop responding. Different genres have different standards, FPS genre is much tougher. 100% FACT. Gears 2 got a free pass on reviews, the MP wasn't up, this fiasco led Gamespot to changing their review system untill POST launch. And AWARDS at the end of the year all went to Killzone 2, Gears 2 barely even got nominated anywhere if at all. ArtisTool

and in the end gears got the higher scores, the higher saled and the higher user score

if you like Killzone 2 better guess what? it's your opinion

If I like Gears beter, guess what? It's my opinion

Stating that Killzone 2 has better qualoty, guess what? it's your opinion

yes, those would happen to be my oppinions as well. :|

now are you actually going to come up with an argument?

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

and in the end gears got the higher scores, the higher saled and the higher user score

if you like Killzone 2 better guess what? it's your opinion

If I like Gears beter, guess what? It's my opinion

Stating that Killzone 2 has better qualoty, guess what? it's your opinion

Fatal_Poison

and the truth would be?

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"][QUOTE="ArtisTool"] But Lost Floppery and Halo Wars are better then MGS4, UC2, Demon's Souls, LBP, Killzone 2 etc etc right? :lol: Dude please...ohthemanatee

and the truth would be?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"] This guy speath the truth.Fatal_Poison

and the truth would be?

still waiting

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

and the truth would be?

ohthemanatee

still waiting

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"] Read it with your eyes open...Fatal_Poison

still waiting

so you agree with me that Lost Oddysey and halo wars are better then MGS 4 and LBP? cool

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"]WOw I'm sorry but repeeatidly bringing up scores and ignoring the fact that the reviews came out pre launch and the MP wasn't up is kind of sad, that's really being a fanboy dude, your ignoring all reason and stomping on the same arguement that's been debunked over and over again. Killzone 2 got more recognition the GEars 2 dide, it won more awards, it got much better player feedback. Reviews that didn't review the full games and marketing campaigns doesn't change that. ArtisTool

It got more recognition then Gears 2 did, in awards. Is it a better game? Apprently not ... Gears 2 being a sequal would kinda dent any impact it would havem since it's just buildingon top of what's already established. Does Crysis winbest graphics everyyear(MGS4 says no)

I wonder who won more awards,Killzone 2, or Gears1 ... I wonder which gamemade a bigger impact this gen ... Hmmmm.

You keep talking aboutearly reviews, blah blah blah. Does that mean i can disregard MGS4's score since it doesn't take into consideration the TERRIBLE, online component which makes Gears 2's online release look godly.

MGO was terrible, yet wasn't even mentioned. It's supposed to be a review, you don't review part of a game, and forget about the rest ...

I bring Gears 1 into this dicussion as it's relevent to the awards topic. Rarely is a seqel given as much attention, and favour as the prequel, especially when the first title is heralded as "The start of next gen" The praise cant get much higher.

Also, me, a 360 fan? LOL. I don't even Like Gears 2, before todayI hadn't played it since early 09. I just know the difference bewtween opinion and fact.

It's a fact Gears was favoured over KZ2 in reviews. It's a fact it sold more, and it's probably a fact it's played more. Unlike you i'm not bringing baseless assumption into a dicussion.

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

still waiting

ohthemanatee

so you agree with me that Lost Oddysey and halo wars are better then MGS 4 and LBP? cool

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"] "But Lost Floppery and Halo Wars are better then MGS4, UC2, Demon's Souls, LBP, Killzone 2 etc etc right? Dude please..." happy now?Fatal_Poison

so you agree with me that Lost Oddysey and halo wars are better then MGS 4 and LBP? cool

so what is the truth? that his opinion is worth more then my opinion?

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"] If you were educated on the matter you wouldn't have asked that question. MGO could have not even come with MGS4 and the score would have been the same. Ask Gamespot, I'm 100% certain they'll say tthe same thing. And Gears 1 wasn't a total failure, why are you bring it up? Have I bashed Gears 1? Another defensive 360 fan... I can't believe it hurts you this much to admit Gears 2 was a HUGE dissapointment... Everyone already knows this, I know everyone knows this, you denying it this hard just makes you look odd. ArtisTool

MGO was terrible, yet wasn't even mentioned. It's supposed to be a review, you don't review part of a game, and forget about the rest ...

I bring Gears 1 into this dicussion as it's relevent to the awards topic. Rarely is a seqel given as much attention, and favour as the prequel, especially when the first title is heralded as "The start of next gen" The praise cant get much higher.

Also, me, a 360 fan? LOL. I don't even Like Gears 2, before todayI hadn't played it since early 09. I just know the difference bewtween opinion and fact.

It's a fact Gears was favoured over KZ2 in reviews. It's a fact it sold more, and it's probably a fact it's played more. Unlike you i'm not bringing baseless assumption into a dicussion.

So I guess they should have reviewed Forza 3 twice then :roll:

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"]There are so many coming out that's it not even funny. There are way too many to count. Your thoughts?Heirren

My thoughts are that Sony is going to take back market share going into the next generation. How people are defending MS is beyond me. Kinect, no matter how they spin it, is essentially MS trying to transfer over and steal the market Nintendo was somehow able to grasp. The problem is that while the wii appeals to both a core and extremelycasual crowd; this casual crowd likely isn't the type of gaming crowd which goes out and buys the next "new" thing.

Even if you don't like Sony, or are a 360 fanboy, it isn't hard to see that Sony is taking a much better direction. They've proven they have a varied lineup in the works. They understand the lifespan of a console better than ms does, imo.

Yes all true, and MS don't like supporting things that do not provide the profits they require... They will drop support for anything like a stone with no concern about the paying customer.

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Santesyu"] How many ps3 rpg exclusives are better then Fable 2? Some people may not like it but its one of the funnest to me rpgs I have played this gen. imho but hey everyone is differen't no biggie.ohthemanatee

Valkyria chronicles got lower scored the Fable 2

and so did Demos souls on GR and metacritic

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

MGO was terrible, yet wasn't even mentioned. It's supposed to be a review, you don't review part of a game, and forget about the rest ...

I bring Gears 1 into this dicussion as it's relevent to the awards topic. Rarely is a seqel given as much attention, and favour as the prequel, especially when the first title is heralded as "The start of next gen" The praise cant get much higher.

Also, me, a 360 fan? LOL. I don't even Like Gears 2, before todayI hadn't played it since early 09. I just know the difference bewtween opinion and fact.

It's a fact Gears was favoured over KZ2 in reviews. It's a fact it sold more, and it's probably a fact it's played more. Unlike you i'm not bringing baseless assumption into a dicussion.

ohthemanatee

So I guess they should have reviewed Forza 3 twice then :roll:

[QUOTE="mattuk69"]

It will be funny if Gears of War 3 came to the PC. Or for that matter Reach, Xbox fanboys would have no exclusives to talk about. Alan Wake will come to the PC i sure of that.

hexashadow13

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]demons souls/valkyria chronicles BAM!!campzor

Valkyria chronicles got lower scored the Fable 2

and so did Demos souls on GR and metacritic

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]demons souls/valkyria chronicles BAM!!campzor

Valkyria chronicles got lower scored the Fable 2

and so did Demos souls on GR and metacritic

one of those 2 sources includes the first :|

and the guy asked for better games therefore valkyria chronicles doesn't count.... oh wait I forgot I need to add "bam" because it adds so much to an argument :roll:

Not to mention Demon's Souls won GOTY... BUt it's on the PS3 so he has to hate it...ArtisTool

meh, no different then you hating Microsoft and it's games so I don't really see how we're that different

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

MGO was terrible, yet wasn't even mentioned. It's supposed to be a review, you don't review part of a game, and forget about the rest ...

I bring Gears 1 into this dicussion as it's relevent to the awards topic. Rarely is a seqel given as much attention, and favour as the prequel, especially when the first title is heralded as "The start of next gen" The praise cant get much higher.

Also, me, a 360 fan? LOL. I don't even Like Gears 2, before todayI hadn't played it since early 09. I just know the difference bewtween opinion and fact.

It's a fact Gears was favoured over KZ2 in reviews. It's a fact it sold more, and it's probably a fact it's played more. Unlike you i'm not bringing baseless assumption into a dicussion.

ohthemanatee

So I guess they should have reviewed Forza 3 twice then :roll:

This makes perfect sense. It explains why LO only scored a 7.5, they only reviews the first disc!

I fully agree with that review now. Disc 1 was not all that.

When is Mass Effect disc 2 going to be reviewed?

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

Valkyria chronicles got lower scored the Fable 2

and so did Demos souls on GR and metacritic

ArtisTool

The only person hating on games is you. No one has claimed KZ2 is a poor game, yet you've constantly slated Gears 2 ...

It seems you quickly forget the garbage that you type ...

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so you agree with me that Lost Oddysey and halo wars are better then MGS 4 and LBP? cool

ohthemanatee

so what is the truth? that his opinion is worth more then my opinion?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Do you take me for a brick wall? The MGS series was never even remotely about online, Gears 1 was a very big online game. Your trolling, I can't beliebe you made it seem like MGS got a free pass when MGO isn't even really part of MGS4, it's like an extra disc that fit onto the Blu Ray....ArtisTool

So I guess they should have reviewed Forza 3 twice then :roll:

MGS got a free pass and your logic is "becase online wasn't really part of MGS4, it's na extra disc"

yeah...that makes no sense

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Fatal_Poison"] That was sarcasam. OBVIOUS sarcasam. :?:JohnF111

so what is the truth? that his opinion is worth more then my opinion?

yeah we already got up to that spot, still waiting for the "truth" though

[QUOTE="ArtisTool"] Not to mention Demon's Souls won GOTY... BUt it's on the PS3 so he has to hate it...ohthemanatee

meh, no different then you hating Microsoft and it's games so I don't really see how we're that different