The PS3's sixaxis controller can do everything the Wiimote can except point.

If you think about it the sixaxis has the exact capabilites of the Wiimote. Except for the pointing device which isn't really that accurate, Sony's controller can replicate all of the motion commands the Wiimote can.

It can detect horizontal, vertical, roll and yaw to a much better degree than the Wiimote. Much of this has to do with how many bits of information are allocated to the position data of the controller. The PS3's sixaxis has more detectable positions than the Wiimote.

One thing I do concede to is the fact that the Wiimote is more user-friendly than the sixaxis.

I do find the Wiimote's screen-aiming to be very inaccurate for nearly any widescreen TV. It seems to accelerate towards the left and right edges. Also the sensor bar seems to only been made for 4:3 tv's 27" or smaller. It doesn't work on well on a 56" DLP TV very well.

So what do you think? Can the sixaxis controller do everything the wiimote can sans pointing?

this was discussed to death after sony stole nintendo's wiimote idea at the 11th hour before releasing the ps3. they should have stuck with the batarang.obsolete2k1

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]this was discussed to death after sony stole nintendo's wiimote idea at the 11th hour before releasing the ps3. they should have stuck with the batarang.Cooldude224

It would have worked great with Nintendo games. Imagine throwing Link's boomerang with that thing! Hell, you'll even want to throw the controller itself once you realize how stupid it is! :lol:

Unfortunately, it won't come back. :(

No, check your facts. Count the fact that you just got rumble, which, correct me if in wrong cant be used for games that were released before rumble. The more percison statement is more wrong.Six Axis is called six axis for the six directions it measured. Wii is measured 360 degrees. I could go on but i think you got the point.GraveRIP

Actually no. The wiimote can only detect the same degrees that the Sixaxis can. X horizontal movement, Y Horizontal, Z Up, Z down, roll, and pitch. Makes sense since those are the only axis available in 3 dimensions. In other words, reality.

So the sixaxis is aptly named. Since it can determine it's relative motion/position in a 3D space.

Sony is far too stupid to take advantage of this revelation.

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The PS3's sixaxis has more detectable positions than the Wiimote.

vitz3

And what exactly makes you believe this?

[QUOTE="vitz3"]

The PS3's sixaxis has more detectable positions than the Wiimote.

Arsuz

And what exactly makes you believe this?

48-bits of data versus 10.

It's funny how Sony copies everything, besides the Wiimote's best feature.

The pointer is the redeeming point of the Wii, makes games like Zelda: TP easier, makes games like Trauma Center and is used in FPSs.

[QUOTE="GraveRIP"]No, check your facts. Count the fact that you just got rumble, which, correct me if in wrong cant be used for games that were released before rumble. The more percison statement is more wrong.Six Axis is called six axis for the six directions it measured. Wii is measured 360 degrees. I could go on but i think you got the point.vitz3

Actually no. The wiimote can only detect the same degrees that the Sixaxis can. X horizontal movement, Y Horizontal, Z Up, Z down, roll, and pitch. Makes sense since those are the only axis available in 3 dimensions. In other words, reality.

So the sixaxis is aptly named. Since it can determine it's relative motion/position in a 3D space.

you forget that the wiimote's pointer system can also be used to detect the relative distance from the screen. something that the sixaxis can not do either.

[QUOTE="vitz3"]

[QUOTE="GraveRIP"]No, check your facts. Count the fact that you just got rumble, which, correct me if in wrong cant be used for games that were released before rumble. The more percison statement is more wrong.Six Axis is called six axis for the six directions it measured. Wii is measured 360 degrees. I could go on but i think you got the point.Ontain

Actually no. The wiimote can only detect the same degrees that the Sixaxis can. X horizontal movement, Y Horizontal, Z Up, Z down, roll, and pitch. Makes sense since those are the only axis available in 3 dimensions. In other words, reality.

So the sixaxis is aptly named. Since it can determine it's relative motion/position in a 3D space.

you forget that the wiimote's pointer system can also be used to detect the relative distance from the screen. something that the sixaxis can not do either.

How about reading the OP first?

the wiis has speakers in it so :P

[QUOTE="Arsuz"][QUOTE="vitz3"]

The PS3's sixaxis has more detectable positions than the Wiimote.

vitz3

And what exactly makes you believe this?

48-bits of data versus 10.

got a link to that with an explanation of what data is sent?

the wiis has speakers in it so :P

river_rat3117

They sound like a tin can-string-phone. It's also only 1-way communication.

If you think about it the sixaxis has the exact capabilites of the Wiimote. Except for the pointing device which isn't really that accurate, Sony's controller can replicate all of the motion commands the Wiimote can.

It can detect horizontal, vertical, roll and yaw to a much better degree than the Wiimote. Much of this has to do with how many bits of information are allocated to the position data of the controller. The PS3's sixaxis has more detectable positions than the Wiimote.

One thing I do concede to is the fact that the Wiimote is more user-friendly than the sixaxis.

I do find the Wiimote's screen-aiming to be very inaccurate for nearly any widescreen TV. It seems to accelerate towards the left and right edges. Also the sensor bar seems to only been made for 4:3 tv's 27" or smaller. It doesn't work on well on a 56" DLP TV very well.

So what do you think? Can the sixaxis controller do everything the wiimote can sans pointing?

vitz3

i strongly agree with you on the widescreen and big screen issues. i barely have to move my remote and the thing just zips accross the screen. it made metroid not very enjoyable

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="vitz3"]

[QUOTE="GraveRIP"]No, check your facts. Count the fact that you just got rumble, which, correct me if in wrong cant be used for games that were released before rumble. The more percison statement is more wrong.Six Axis is called six axis for the six directions it measured. Wii is measured 360 degrees. I could go on but i think you got the point.vitz3

Actually no. The wiimote can only detect the same degrees that the Sixaxis can. X horizontal movement, Y Horizontal, Z Up, Z down, roll, and pitch. Makes sense since those are the only axis available in 3 dimensions. In other words, reality.

So the sixaxis is aptly named. Since it can determine it's relative motion/position in a 3D space.

you forget that the wiimote's pointer system can also be used to detect the relative distance from the screen. something that the sixaxis can not do either.

How about reading the OP first?

I did. i'm not talking about the pointing ability but rather that the same technology can be used (and is used) to get 3d depth position rather than just detecting motion along a vector (which is not as accurate).

i strongly agree with you on the widescreen and big screen issues. i barely have to move my remote and the thing just zips accross the screen. it made metroid not very enjoyable

enygma500

I have a 42" LCD and it worked fine. it's probably a combination how your distance from the sensor bar and the sensitivity you set the wiimote to.

The wiimote is way better than the sixaxis. I have a ps3 and wii, the ps3 does not need motion sensing, its good to break up gameplay, but its not designed to be used like the wiimote.NinjaMunkey01

Well said. The motion control in the sixaxis truly is a gimmick, whereas the wiimote, when utilized correctly, can greatly enhance gameplay (Metroid Prime 3).

On my PS3 i hate the sixaxis lol (well not really but i dont really like it). The wiimote is far more accurate and just works better there is no debating this. Do i think the siaxis has potential? Yes but as much as the wiimote? Not a chance. Its a good attempt but there isnt really too much success to it

got a link to that with an explanation of what data is sent?

Ontain

Well I messed up on one point. It's 8-bits of motion data for the Wii. LOL

Link

And here's a picture of the sixaxis motion diagnostic tool for PC running on my computer.

See that string of numbers running up to 47? In mathematics you must have a 0 so include the zero on the far left and you get the amount of bits that the controller's motion can transmit.

Also the little bumps in the motion line are from me just holding the controller. That is my pulse! It's not even very high at all either. So yeah the sixaxis is more sensitive.

No, check your facts. Count the fact that you just got rumble, which, correct me if in wrong cant be used for games that were released before rumble. The more percison statement is more wrong.Six Axis is called six axis for the six directions it measured. Wii is measured 360 degrees. I could go on but i think you got the point.GraveRIP

WiiMote>>>Sixaxis for Motion Sensing. Many games have been patched to now have rumble. In fact if a grenade blows up beside you in Resistance, the controller only vibrates on that side. Kinda cool.

WiiMote>>>Sixaxis for Motion Sensing. Many games have been patched to now have rumble. In fact if a grenade blows up beside you in Resistance, the controller only vibrates on that side. Kinda cool.

rockydog1111

Did you mean WiiPS3. Just checking.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

got a link to that with an explanation of what data is sent?

vitz3

Well I messed up on one point. It's 8-bits of motion data for the Wii. LOL

Link

And here's a picture of the sixaxis motion diagnostic tool for PC running on my computer.

See that string of numbers running up to 47? In mathematics you must have a 0 so include the zero on the far left and you get the amount of bits that the controller's motion can transmit.

Also the little bumps in the motion line are from me just holding the controller. That is my pulse! It's not even very high at all either. So yeah the sixaxis is more sensitive.

from your own chart i see that x y and z have 256 values. that is 8bits for each. from the wiili.org link i see that the wiimote also uses 8 bits per plane as well.

"where 0x86 is the X-axis measurement, 0x8a is the Y-axis measurement, and 0xa5 is the Z-axis measurement."

those values there are in hex. 2 places of hex has a max of 256 values. same as sixaxis.

thanks for proving to me you're wrong.

[QUOTE="vitz3"]

If you think about it the sixaxis has the exact capabilites of the Wiimote. Except for the pointing device which isn't really that accurate, Sony's controller can replicate all of the motion commands the Wiimote can.

It can detect horizontal, vertical, roll and yaw to a much better degree than the Wiimote. Much of this has to do with how many bits of information are allocated to the position data of the controller. The PS3's sixaxis has more detectable positions than the Wiimote.

One thing I do concede to is the fact that the Wiimote is more user-friendly than the sixaxis.

I do find the Wiimote's screen-aiming to be very inaccurate for nearly any widescreen TV. It seems to accelerate towards the left and right edges. Also the sensor bar seems to only been made for 4:3 tv's 27" or smaller. It doesn't work on well on a 56" DLP TV very well.

So what do you think? Can the sixaxis controller do everything the wiimote can sans pointing?

enygma500

i strongly agree with you on the widescreen and big screen issues. i barely have to move my remote and the thing just zips accross the screen. it made metroid not very enjoyable

I was wondering if any of you realize that you can adjsut your wiimotes sensativity?

My wii upstairs is played on a 42 inch lcd and works fine, espeically games like prime 3 play great on it, down stairs i play on a 65 inch (i think) projector and it works fine. i just had to go into the wii menu and set up my sensativity and distance from sesnor bar. check your manuals on how to do this.

[QUOTE="vitz3"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

got a link to that with an explanation of what data is sent?

Ontain

Well I messed up on one point. It's 8-bits of motion data for the Wii. LOL

Link

And here's a picture of the sixaxis motion diagnostic tool for PC running on my computer.

See that string of numbers running up to 47? In mathematics you must have a 0 so include the zero on the far left and you get the amount of bits that the controller's motion can transmit.

Also the little bumps in the motion line are from me just holding the controller. That is my pulse! It's not even very high at all either. So yeah the sixaxis is more sensitive.

from your own chart i see that x y and z have 256 values. that is 8bits for each. from the wiili.org link i see that the wiimote also uses 8 bits per plane as well.

"where 0x86 is the X-axis measurement, 0x8a is the Y-axis measurement, and 0xa5 is the Z-axis measurement."

those values there are in hex. 2 places of hex has a max of 256 values. same as sixaxis.

thanks for proving to me you're wrong.

Well whenever I fail to counter an argument, or like in this case understand the argument, due to my limited knowledge on digital systems I resort to fanboyish comments: LAWL HAVE FUN PLAYING LAIR WITH YOUR "SUPERIOR" CONTROLLER, WHILE I'LL BE PLAYING RE4Wii and MP3!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well whenever I fail to counter an argument, or like in this case understand the argument, due to my limited knowledge on digital systems I resort to fanboyish comments: LAWL HAVE FUN PLAYING LAIR WITH YOUR "SUPERIOR" CONTROLLER, WHILE I'LL BE PLAYING RE4Wii and MP3!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Arsuz

You mean you'll be playing a remake/port and an inch forward sequel?

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]

Well whenever I fail to counter an argument, or like in this case understand the argument, due to my limited knowledge on digital systems I resort to fanboyish comments: LAWL HAVE FUN PLAYING LAIR WITH YOUR "SUPERIOR" CONTROLLER, WHILE I'LL BE PLAYING RE4Wii and MP3!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

vitz3

You mean you'll be playing a remake/port and an inch forward sequel?

Both which are universally praised by reviewers for having excelent controlls. Can't say that about Lair now can you ;)

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

from your own chart i see that x y and z have 256 values. that is 8bits for each. from the wiili.org link i see that the wiimote also uses 8 bits per plane as well.

"where 0x86 is the X-axis measurement, 0x8a is the Y-axis measurement, and 0xa5 is the Z-axis measurement."

those values there are in hex. 2 places of hex has a max of 256 values. same as sixaxis.

thanks for proving to me you're wrong.

Arsuz

Well whenever I fail to counter an argument, or like in this case understand the argument, due to my limited knowledge on digital systems I resort to fanboyish comments: LAWL HAVE FUN PLAYING LAIR WITH YOUR "SUPERIOR" CONTROLLER, WHILE I'LL BE PLAYING RE4Wii and MP3!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

you're not the only one that didn't understand. clearly the TC didn't understand when he linked that information. the 47 number that he uses is actually bytes not bits. and it's all the info including analog sticks and buttons. both the wiimote and the sixaxis use 3 bytes for motion sensing.

If you think about it the sixaxis has the exact capabilites of the Wiimote. Except for the pointing device which isn't really that accurate, Sony's controller can replicate all of the motion commands the Wiimote can.

It can detect horizontal, vertical, roll and yaw to a much better degree than the Wiimote. Much of this has to do with how many bits of information are allocated to the position data of the controller. The PS3's sixaxis has more detectable positions than the Wiimote.

One thing I do concede to is the fact that the Wiimote is more user-friendly than the sixaxis.

I do find the Wiimote's screen-aiming to be very inaccurate for nearly any widescreen TV. It seems to accelerate towards the left and right edges. Also the sensor bar seems to only been made for 4:3 tv's 27" or smaller. It doesn't work on well on a 56" DLP TV very well.

So what do you think? Can the sixaxis controller do everything the wiimote can sans pointing?

vitz3

1. Well for starters your assumptions on Wide Screen TV's are wrong
2. Your assumption on very Large TV's is also wrong
3. The Wiimote has two independent sides of controller while the six-axis only has one. Its possible to use two different of motion input on the Wiimote at one time while on the six-axis only one is possible.

PS3 does not have speaker...no nunchuck and it's akward to play with...hated the mini games on Ratchet and Clank cuz it felt so stupid moving the sixaxis controler around....please just stop...

1. Well for starters your assumptions on Wide Screen TV's are wrong
2. Your assumption on very Large TV's is also wrong
3. The Wiimote has two independent sides of controller while the six-axis only has one. Its possible to use two different of motion input on the Wiimote at one time while on the six-axis only one is possible.

Blackbond

Name ONE game that uses both sides of the controller with decent accuracy. Wii Boxing don't count since I can waggle both sides and send a flurry of death at the opposition.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

1. Well for starters your assumptions on Wide Screen TV's are wrong
2. Your assumption on very Large TV's is also wrong
3. The Wiimote has two independent sides of controller while the six-axis only has one. Its possible to use two different of motion input on the Wiimote at one time while on the six-axis only one is possible.

vitz3

Name ONE game that uses both sides of the controller with decent accuracy. Wii Boxing don't count since I can waggle both sides and send a flurry of death at the opposition.

What do games have to do with the capabilities of the controller I just explained to you? Point is the controller can do things the Six-Axis cannot.

And still you're first two points on HDTV's are completely wrong.

The beauty of it is your aren't forced to use the motion sensing as well.Wasdie

*cough*lair*cough*

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

1. Well for starters your assumptions on Wide Screen TV's are wrong
2. Your assumption on very Large TV's is also wrong
3. The Wiimote has two independent sides of controller while the six-axis only has one. Its possible to use two different of motion input on the Wiimote at one time while on the six-axis only one is possible.

vitz3

Name ONE game that uses both sides of the controller with decent accuracy. Wii Boxing don't count since I can waggle both sides and send a flurry of death at the opposition.