The PS4 Isn't Powerful Enough To Run PSVR, Will Need An External Processor

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#51  Edited By lastcoin
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@DressYouUp said:
@lastcoin said:
@TheEroica said:

@topgunmv: for real? It's going to cost nearly the price of a new console for unproven tech, and an extremely limited lineup... The wave of bloated hardware add one is coming down the tracks... Not to mention, did you SEE how foolish that guy at the Playstation event looked playing that awful looking game/demo?

Pass all day long.

I imagined myself looked very dumb when I talk to my hand,in eyes of those who never heard of mobile phone.

...why? Everyone would know it's a phone, phones had been around for decades before mobile phones...

When was the time when you finally accepted if a stranger look straight to your eyes and saying something was usually talking on his phone with bluetooth headset?

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#52 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@DocSanchez said:

@charizard1605: I never said you did. No need to get defensive on that one. I am referring to people overreacting to this. There are some in this thread and no doubt across the web reading way too much into this.

Sorry, you're right, I did get too defensive.

But yeah, many will undoubtedly take this as another instance of VR being a failure off the bat. It may yet be, but not because of this.

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#53 NFJSupreme
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Lol what a joke. These consoles aren't vr ready at least Microsoft realized that. It seems like Microsoft is making the right moves mid gen ad Sony is now fucking it up.

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#54 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@blue_hazy_basic: well I guess that does suck but with everything in tech there has to be a first generation.

VR has more potential overall than Kinect or the Vita.

There are always early adopters and for the most part I think they what they're getting into.

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#55  Edited By Shewgenja
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@cainetao11 said:

@Shewgenja: Well the smart phone comparison is iffy because upgrades are subsidized.

So you truly feel that most gamers that try VR will opt to play their games this way more often than not, and it will catch fire? I'm honestly asking because I would love to believe and double up on my SNE shares.

I don't think there will be THAT much VR software but I do believe that as time goes on and people start using VR to do things like watch Netflix, watch sports, live broadcasts of plays or symphonies, porn, or even election coverage that it's value will be seen as necessary to owners of platforms that support it.

If you were to go to your local best buy and see how well a product like the Gear VR is doing simply among a sliver of smart phone owners, it would paint a pretty clear picture of how a pretty diverse non-gaming consumer can gravitate towards that. Typically, it seems to be the gamer audience that drives adoption for these things first, but VR has a way of selling itself. I can't imagine how compelling it would be to someone who not only wants to explore gameplay in a different venue but to an average "casual" consumer who's seeing it running on much higher end hardware that's easily accessible (comparitively, to $700 smart phones and high-end PC rigs at least).

Pretty compelling arguments to say that VR has legs. With Facebook undoubtedly ready to use its marketing might behind their product launch and then porn riding in the wake, what I am getting at is that barring any real technical snafus with this, it is going to take off running. In fact, in the case of the Samsung headset, it already is. Seeing a bunch of red outlines moving against a black back-drop is not compelling. VR in 2015, is in a completely different boat.

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#56 locus-solus
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Extra processor my question is will the VR headset automatically come with it, or will you be able to use a desktop pc a the middle man via software.

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#57 Shewgenja
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@NFJSupreme said:

Lol what a joke. These consoles aren't vr ready at least Microsoft realized that. It seems like Microsoft is making the right moves mid gen ad Sony is now fucking it up.

Here's a smartphone doing VR, and it is flying off the shelves. Cool story, bro.

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#58 cainetao11
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@Shewgenja: great post. I will definitely do more homework on it in regards to how you have presented. I'd love to be in on the ground floor and make a few thousand with a company in the beginning of it.

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#59  Edited By Shewgenja
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@cainetao11 said:

@Shewgenja: great post. I will definitely do more homework on it in regards to how you have presented. I'd love to be in on the ground floor and make a few thousand with a company in the beginning of it.

Check the one above yours as well. Read the story and watch the video. The homework is out there ;)

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#60 TheEroica  Moderator
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@topgunmv: lol... Enjoy then!

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#61  Edited By tormentos
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@Nike_Air said:

PS4 and its external processor make it powerful enough to run PSVR! What a relief.

I am sure it is to keep those frames up,not that the xbox one could tackle it without something similar that also mean that any one below PS4 power on PC which is the majority will have problems with PC VR as well.

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#62 Alucard_Prime
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Whenever things like this are announced I always try to picture the end user experience...that is the bottom line, it's too early now to start making judgments, but if you need to pay something extra in order to enjoy something revolutionary, it could be worth it.

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#63 StrongBlackVine
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You are only about 4 months late with this news.

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#64 DaVillain  Moderator
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I think everyone was well aware that PS VR wasn't going to be powerful enough in the long run.

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#65 Flyincloud1116
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How is this a problem? Leave it to the Lem Defense Force(LDF) to find the any angle possible to make this a negative. I see the Lem Minister of Defense has already commented.

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#66 RTUUMM
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Oh well, they tried...

Maybe next time SONY

(Its wasnt like they were gonna have any worth while games for it anyways..)

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#67 Ten_Pints
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People, this is not like an external GPU. It wont be processing anything 3D, it's more like a post processing device for sorting out the frame rate if needed (games that are targeting 90FPS it wont do shit for). It wont magically make the PS4 more powerful.

People get some funny ideas on here.

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#68 cainetao11
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@Shewgenja: will do when I can. Waiting to register for next semester :(

As far as the post you were answering with that link, give me a break. How can anyone say Sony is making a mistake at this point? Nobody in their right mind would call the first Kinect a business mistake after they moved 20 million units. Now I like it's uses on my X1 but it is a gaming dud this gen. Other than my nephew and his cousins using it for gaming when they came over it had no gaming time with me.

Sony betting on VR could very well happen to be a positive thing this gen. None of us know for sure.

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@silversix_ said:
@nyadc said:

This thing is going to be a PR and marketing nightmare...

Also the PlayStation 4 not being powerful enough goes without saying.

This is what's needed for X1 to handle VR.

lol

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#70  Edited By intotheminx
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PS4 VR looks terrible so far. You have to give credit to MS. They are sitting back and watching how this plays out. If it takes off(doubt it) they will have a VR machine next gen.

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@tormentos said:
@Nike_Air said:

PS4 and its external processor make it powerful enough to run PSVR! What a relief.

I am sure it is to keep those frames up,not that the xbox one could tackle it without something similar that also mean that any one below PS4 power on PC which is the majority will have problems with PC VR as well.

Yup. That is exactly why I believe VR will not take off for a few more years. The minimum requirement for the Oculus is a 970 and a i5 4590. I only know one person that meets/exceeds that requirement. Hardware prices will have to come down before it becomes huge.

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#72 Cloud_imperium
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@bunchanumbers said:

I wonder how much this disaster will cost Sony. Just when they were beginning to turn it around with PS4, they make the Kinect of Gen 8.

Yeah, I agree. Waste of resources IMO.

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#73  Edited By Flyincloud1116
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@GreySeal9 said:
@silversix_ said:
@nyadc said:

This thing is going to be a PR and marketing nightmare...

Also the PlayStation 4 not being powerful enough goes without saying.

This is what's needed for X1 to handle VR.

lol

HAHAHAHA!

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#74 Ant_17
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So in other words.

This gens kinect and move - no one will bother with it.

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#75 JangoWuzHere
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I don't understand the negative reactions when it comes to VR. VR isn't some weird and unknown concept like the Kinect or Move. It has been in the hands of the public and media for a year now. The positive reception to VR has been glowing across the board. Not to mention, there are several different games being made for these headsets, and that wasn't the case with the motion frenzy last gen.

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#76 R4gn4r0k
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I wonder what the adoption rate for this will be.

I mean will we see another PS Move, or will VR make a big different and get people into buying it.

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#77  Edited By GhoX
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It's a better alternative than trying to force VR on PS4's base hardware and completely misrepresent the capabilities of VR tech.

Still, unless Sony can provide VR in traditional 3rd-party titles, like Oculus Rift can, it will fail.

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#78 ConanTheStoner
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Eh.. good for them. At least they're trying to remedy the obvious issue here.

That said, I still think it's fucking stupid. I'm not on the VR hating bandwagon, on the contrary, I want to see it work. I've been wanting to see VR work well since I was a kid. I just don't think pushing it out on consoles with limited support is a good idea.

Oculus built up all this momentum and generated all this buzz, only for Sony to come along and potentially shit the bed here, possibly painting VR in a bad light before it has a chance.

Basically, Sony is the goofy bastard in this video right now.

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#79 TheCouchPotater
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I understand Sony wants to get in early on a potentially profitable business, but I dont have a good feeling about PS VR.

Would prefer they double down on the formula thats propelled the PS4 to a healthy lead; an affordale, no frills, straightforward games console.

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#80 misterpmedia
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@a-new-guardian said:

they always find a way to **** themselves lol.

Last Gen it was the PS3 and 600$ and now this. The end is nigh. Goodbye Sony.

some embarrassing comments in here. Hope I'm being trolled, at least with this one lol

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#81  Edited By blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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@silversix_ said:
@nyadc said:

This thing is going to be a PR and marketing nightmare...

Also the PlayStation 4 not being powerful enough goes without saying.

This is what's needed for X1 to handle VR.

Nonsense look at the XB1's awesome machine! Dat steady framerate and no extras to plug in, the PS4 & cows = rekt!

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#82 Sollet
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Well I guess they at least honest about it.

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#83 Nonstop-Madness
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Does it really matter? As long as the thing works well this shouldn't be an issue.

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#84 Shewgenja
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@blue_hazy_basic said:
@silversix_ said:
@nyadc said:

This thing is going to be a PR and marketing nightmare...

Also the PlayStation 4 not being powerful enough goes without saying.

This is what's needed for X1 to handle VR.

Nonsense look at the XB1's awesome machine! Dat steady framerate and no extras to plug in, the PS4 & cows = rekt!

Fallout 5?

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#85 sovkhan
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@locus-solus

It comes with a custom epu: and i doubt that you'll be able to use third party software for it.

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#86 ConanTheStoner
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@blue_hazy_basic said:

Hey, when I was little kid I used to chill in the walk in closet and play with those. Looking back on it, this may have been the origin story of my basement dwelling ways.

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#87 ni6htmare01
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Shouldn't that be good news than?

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@a-new-guardian said:

they always find a way to **** themselves lol.

Last Gen it was the PS3 and 600$ and now this. The end is nigh. Goodbye Sony.

What kind of shit post is this?

VR is totally optional, they aren't forcing you to get it. How is this in anyway like $599 PS3? PS4 by itself is already wildly successful, this is an optional accessory.

Some people in this thread are idiots.

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#90 pelvist
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T his must be lies. The PS4 is basically a super charged PC!

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#91  Edited By Zethrickk382
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@ten_pints: "This is not news, it's been known for some time that the "box" will process both the video output and sensor inputs. It's been stated before it will also do interpolation to push low frame rates to higher frame rates for stuff that is below 90FPS. It will not process 3D stuff."

Agreed, this is old news to anyone actually following VR. Knew about the external hardware ages ago.

@getyeryayasout: "Early previews have been extremely positive, I don't understand all the negativity toward VR."

It's a combination of trolls and half glass empty pessimistic individuals, most of which don't bother educating themselves on the subject of VR.

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#92 Sushiglutton
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@blue_hazy_basic said:
@Sushiglutton said:

Think MS for once did the smart thing here, just wait for next gen when consoles will be sort of ready. Let the grassroots of PC set the foundation for VR. There's really no hurry, AAA won't focus on VR for 5+years anyway. Adding a "Wii" will make it more expensive, look dumb and it still won't touch the capability of proper PC VR.

The problem with VR is that you are going to need vastly more power to make it look anywhere close to ordinary games so I think its going to be a fairly niche PC thing for a while. Even with the next gen of consoles you're still going to struggle to have the same gameplay and fidelity on VR compared to straight on the console. You can't get away with lower framerate or drops or laggyness of any kind or you're just going to have people vomitting all over the place. I just don't see VR being mainstream enough (this gen certainly) to have made it worthwhile for any of the console manufactures to have invested in it. I really hope I'm wrong.

Yeah that's true. I also don't see it being to mainstream for gaming for a pretty long time (I suppose photos/videos will come first).

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@Sushiglutton: I dunno....getting some experience with the tech and all that is a big part of whether or not the VR for next gen will be good.

I'd rather then try and fail with some experience under their belt than not try at all and then go into next gen as a rookie.

That's a good point. Problem is that if PsVR disapoints too much consumers may be hesitant to buy it a second time. I dunno there are pros and cons I suppose.

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@blue_hazy_basic: LMAO i remember when i was 10 my buddy Dylan had one of those and a bunch of nudie slides. Guy was a rebel

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#94 gfxpipeline
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@charizard1605 said:

So, there we have it.

As many suspected, the PS4 is not nearly powerful enough to support the PSVR headset all by itself, at least not at the level of visual fidelity that Sony presumably wants for it. Instead, the headset will require an external processor that will supplement the PS4 to even be able to run.

Polygon

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Another garbage concern troll thread from charizard1605 crashes and burns.

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#95 JasonN36
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Alot of people knew that the PS4 or any current gen consoles are too weak for VR.... Can't say I'm surprised to see this news.

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#96 delta3074
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@Shewgenja: i kind of agree with you, theres an awful lot of hate for a product nobody has goth there hands on yet.

I kind of expected it might need it's own CPU, kinect did, it's no big deal as long as it doesn't push up the price to insane levels.

Depends on how much you want it really, if you really want something then you will go the nine yards.

I hope 3D takes off this time, i have seen it fail a number of times and it's quite disappointing, we have to get past 3D before we will ever have full on VR.

It's not my cup of tea but i am old now, 41.

Change should be embraced.

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#97 delta3074
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@cainetao11 said:

@Shewgenja: Well the smart phone comparison is iffy because upgrades are subsidized.

So you truly feel that most gamers that try VR will opt to play their games this way more often than not, and it will catch fire? I'm honestly asking because I would love to believe and double up on my SNE shares.

It could do, It's really popular in the cinema and i could imagine a game like Battlefront would be epic in stereoscopic 3D.

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#100 BigBadBully
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Sounds nice, but no way I'm sticking a vr headset on my face with a screen inches away from my eyes. Just sounds like a bad idea and after doing some research on what it does to your eyes, I'll gladly pass on VR outside of arcades or a night at Dave n busters.