The real facts about the ps3 and the Xbox 360.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feTh6QWs-Xo&mode=related&search=

I found this video on youtube and i think everyone should take a look at it. It shows the cold hard truth about the performance of the PS3 and the Xbox 360. It shows you the facts about the Cell Processor, the Blue ray disk, the graphics card, on-line play, exclusives, sales and game development companies,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PsL89oTtE

And this is the the most recent one, its from the same person that made the 1st one and it shows the actual stats of the CPU and the GPU.

Now please watch these and then give me your thoughts.

I just read the first few messages and they are all either innaccurate or just plain ridiculous. Why should I even go any further ?

omg , user createdyoutube videos! it must be true!

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U fail. Your just another angry lemming who doesnt know anything about the ps3 or xboxGarchomPro

no im just a middle man trying to tell people the actual fact about how the systems actually operate, not how the companies tell you how they operate.

And who are these people to be making judgement calls?

This is absurd. Both systems have shown, in easy to see performance, that they are pretty similar. Until one does something that the other cannot, I will not take anyone's word for it, much less some YouTube users.

I just read the first few messages and they are all either innaccurate or just plain ridiculous. Why should I even go any further ?

diggyzoom

because the first vid was made last year, so if you dont want to veiw that one, go for the oter one.

This video is an atrocity against the truth.

There was so much wrong information in it that I don't even know where to begin.

I'm more lemming than anything else, but even I'll tell you that, properly designed, it is possible to eek more out of a PS3 than the 360. However, it is overall harder to do so (it's critical to use the Cell to do geometry deformation instead of doing it on the GPU to squeeze the PS3, which is much more complicated than atraditional forward renderer).

And who are these people to be making judgement calls?

This is absurd. Both systems have shown, in easy to see performance, that they are pretty similar. Until one does something that the other cannot, I will not take anyone's word for it, much less some YouTube users.

SpruceCaboose

the second vid also has some links where the info actually cam from, take a look at them if you dont beleive the maker of the vid.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

And who are these people to be making judgement calls?

This is absurd. Both systems have shown, in easy to see performance, that they are pretty similar. Until one does something that the other cannot, I will not take anyone's word for it, much less some YouTube users.

FireFox-360

the second vid also has some links where the info actually cam from, take a look at them if you dont beleive the maker of the vid.

Please. Their sources included FiringSquad and Spong. Then there were zero sources provided for their "perf" section. This was one of the most terribly researched pieces of information on the topic of console comparisons that I've ever seen.

[QUOTE="FireFox-360"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

And who are these people to be making judgement calls?

This is absurd. Both systems have shown, in easy to see performance, that they are pretty similar. Until one does something that the other cannot, I will not take anyone's word for it, much less some YouTube users.

ReverieDLM

the second vid also has some links where the info actually cam from, take a look at them if you dont beleive the maker of the vid.

Please. Their sources included FiringSquad and Spong. Then there were zero sources provided for their "perf" section. This was one of the most terribly researched pieces of information on the topic of console comparisons that I've ever seen.

So since he got the info from some bad sources dosent mean that their untrue, look around for the info yourself.

now some people probably think that I'm an M$ fan bot that has very little to do with his time, but I am not, I had 3 xbox 360's that had got the three red lights within 12 months, and I baught a PS3 yesterday, so if anything i should be a ps3 fanboy, but im not, im neither,just look at the vids, check out the info and you will see for yourself, the xbox 360 is the more powerful system.

i love the part when it says that hd-dvd has wayy more support then blu-ray.

also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRaYXHHCgxo

[QUOTE="diggyzoom"]

I just read the first few messages and they are all either innaccurate or just plain ridiculous. Why should I even go any further ?

FireFox-360

because the first vid was made last year, so if you dont want to veiw that one, go for the oter one.

I just feel sorry for the impressionable children out there that are easily influenced by this kind of junk.

Yeah once I saw "Many games had been cancelled on the PS3 because it is too hard to develop for." I just closed the video.

Angry fanboy rant videos are pointless.

[QUOTE="FireFox-360"][QUOTE="diggyzoom"]

I just read the first few messages and they are all either innaccurate or just plain ridiculous. Why should I even go any further ?

diggyzoom

because the first vid was made last year, so if you dont want to veiw that one, go for the oter one.

I just feel sorry for the impressionable children out there that are easily influenced by this kind of junk.

I am truly sorry that you cant under stand anything in the second video, but for those of us who can, It really means something, if you cant understand it then find somebody who does so they can translate it, so you will see why I bothered to post this in the first place.

Here is how rumours get confused with fact:

1) Confused fanboys cherry pick information about their console and the console they hate. However, fanboys also seem to ignore actual developer comments or any other inconvenient information that goes against their cherry picking mission.

2) Fanboy then makes a youtube video presenting info he read on the interweb as if it is fact.

3) Forum fanboys see the youtube video that present info they already believe and think this somehow reaffirms what they believe.

4) Forum fanboys post link to the video on their gaming forum of choice and present it to people as factual information.

5) Repeat step 1 through 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feTh6QWs-Xo&mode=related&search=

I found this video on youtube and i think everyone should take a look at it. It shows the cold hard truth about the performance of the PS3 and the Xbox 360. It shows you the facts about the Cell Processor, the Blue ray disk, the graphics card, on-line play, exclusives, sales and game development companies,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PsL89oTtE

And this is the the most recent one, its from the same person that made the 1st one and it shows the actual stats of the CPU and the GPU.

Now please watch these and then give me your thoughts.

FireFox-360

I like how alot of the stuff he says is lies. Betamax was released longer then 7 years ago.... 1975 is really 7 years ago.... The guy who made those is an idiot and anyone who believes it is an idiot as well.

Here is how rumours get confused with fact:

1) Confused fanboys cherry pick information about their console and the console they hate. However, fanboys also seem to ignore actual developer comments or any other inconvenient information that goes against their cherry picking mission.

2) Fanboy then makes a youtube video presenting info he read on the interweb as if it is fact.

3) Forum fanboys see the youtube video that present info they already believe and think this somehow reaffirms what they believe.

4) Forum fanboys post link to the video on their gaming forum of choice and present it to people as factual information.

5) Repeat step 1 through 4.

ZIMdoom

Again your part of the group who just dismiss the video's just because their saying why the system you payed $600 for is not the best, you really should take this under advisement and not dismiss it because the ps3 is more expensive, doesnt make it the best.

great... bring a youtube video from a 360 fanboy.... where's the youtube video from all the PS3 fanboys.

1. Your a fanboy if you create a video to boast how great your console is compared to the competition.

all I care about is how much fun I'm having with my Wii... my 360... and my PS3. No one should care about some crazy fan that makes videos on youtube. Remember the Nintendo E3 press conference... yeah... it was lame then... and it's lame now.

[QUOTE="ReverieDLM"][QUOTE="FireFox-360"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

And who are these people to be making judgement calls?

This is absurd. Both systems have shown, in easy to see performance, that they are pretty similar. Until one does something that the other cannot, I will not take anyone's word for it, much less some YouTube users.

FireFox-360

the second vid also has some links where the info actually cam from, take a look at them if you dont beleive the maker of the vid.

Please. Their sources included FiringSquad and Spong. Then there were zero sources provided for their "perf" section. This was one of the most terribly researched pieces of information on the topic of console comparisons that I've ever seen.

So since he got the info from some bad sources dosent mean that their untrue, look around for the info yourself.

now some people probably think that I'm an M$ fan bot that has very little to do with his time, but I am not, I had 3 xbox 360's that had got the three red lights within 12 months, and I baught a PS3 yesterday, so if anything i should be a ps3 fanboy, but im not, im neither,just look at the vids, check out the info and you will see for yourself, the xbox 360 is the more powerful system.

Sorry, but it's not. See my post on the first page. The information in this video is absolutely disgusting in terms of accuracy. It would take less than 5 minutes of searching posts by actual developers on Beyond3D to get far better information than this. The person who wrote this has probably never written a line of code in their life (let alone on a console). Their word is worth less than nothing.

i know the 360 breaks alot, i know, i had three break within 12 months, and no, i dont "boast" about how much better thee 360 is, the 360 is not my console, i happen to have a ps3 also, and i just happen to think that every Sony fanboy should know the actual facts about the Ps3, and not to be dismissing the xbox 360 just because its cheaper and generally has some problems, but at least microsoft are adressing the issues and making an effort to fix them.FireFox-360

[QUOTE="diggyzoom"][QUOTE="FireFox-360"][QUOTE="diggyzoom"]

I just read the first few messages and they are all either innaccurate or just plain ridiculous. Why should I even go any further ?

FireFox-360

because the first vid was made last year, so if you dont want to veiw that one, go for the oter one.

I just feel sorry for the impressionable children out there that are easily influenced by this kind of junk.

I am truly sorry that you cant under stand anything in the second video, but for those of us who can, It really means something, if you cant understand it then find somebody who does so they can translate it, so you will see why I bothered to post this in the first place.

I am truly sorry that you just don't get my drift. Gamers don't care , they didn't care last generation , and they don't care now. They see amazing looking ps3 games (or 360 games) and they will make their decisions based on a ton of other factors before technical jargon posted on the internet by someone who thinks they understand all of this.

so just because he might have gotten a few less than important facts wrong, you just presume that every single word is compleate and utter nonsense, thinking like that is what causes people to beleive things about the xbox that is just not true, which in-turn causes people to beleive things that are not true about the Ps3.FireFox-360

It's far beyond that. Critically important information in the video is absolutely wrong, and other extremely important information is missing. And yes, beacuse of that, the video as a whole is worse than useless, because it twists what little information is actually there to push a specific agenda, instead of trying to accurately portray the strengths and weaknesses of the two platforms.

real facts. PSN is the worst online service on earth for gaming. why anyone wants to play online gaming on the ps3 is truely baffling. thats a fact.whyamisogood716

[QUOTE="FireFox-360"]so just because he might have gotten a few less than important facts wrong, you just presume that every single word is compleate and utter nonsense, thinking like that is what causes people to beleive things about the xbox that is just not true, which in-turn causes people to beleive things that are not true about the Ps3.ReverieDLM

It's far beyond that. Critically important information in the video is absolutely wrong, and other extremely important information is missing. And yes, beacuse of that, the video as a whole is worse than useless, because it twists what little information is actually there to push a specific agenda, instead of trying to accurately portray the strengths and weaknesses of the two platforms.

What agenda would he have to create this video, this video has all the neccesary information to see the truth, but some people tend to dismiss the importance of some of the fact, like the Xbox 360 being able so support Direct X 10, but the ps3 cannot, and some people dont see how much of an impact Direct X 10 makes on the graphics of games.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]U fail. Your just another angry lemming who doesnt know anything about the ps3 or xboxFireFox-360

no im just a middle man trying to tell people the actual fact about how the systems actually operate, not how the companies tell you how they operate.

Facts?! I like how the guy says Blu-Ray has hardly any support, when in reality HD-DVD only has one remaining exclusive publisher, while all the others either publish for both or Blu-Ray only.

Yeah, theres pretty much no factual basis in that first video, I could tell that in the first 20 seconds.

Also the second one seems to rely more on speculation than anything else.

You'll have to pardon me for not watching/listening to any more..the first one is easily disproven (at least what I watched) and the second one's audio is beubonic to the ears.

Real Fact. Both the PS3 and the 360 are awesome.

That is all.

Mods should lock threads that are plain stupid.....like this one!azad_champ

I just read the first few messages and they are all either innaccurate or just plain ridiculous. Why should I even go any further ?

diggyzoom

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Here is how rumours get confused with fact:

1) Confused fanboys cherry pick information about their console and the console they hate. However, fanboys also seem to ignore actual developer comments or any other inconvenient information that goes against their cherry picking mission.

2) Fanboy then makes a youtube video presenting info he read on the interweb as if it is fact.

3) Forum fanboys see the youtube video that present info they already believe and think this somehow reaffirms what they believe.

4) Forum fanboys post link to the video on their gaming forum of choice and present it to people as factual information.

5) Repeat step 1 through 4.

FireFox-360

Again your part of the group who just dismiss the video's just because their saying why the system you payed $600 for is not the best, you really should take this under advisement and not dismiss it because the ps3 is more expensive, doesnt make it the best.

1) I don't own a PS3. Since you automatically jumped to that illogical conclusion, I can only assume you are the fanboy here.

2) What type of person ignores comments from people who have actually worked with the hardware but believe, as truth, the comments of an anonymous youtuber?

3) Related to point 2, what kind of person continuously defends this drivel, and makes a thread linking to it, without first bothering to intelligently fact check the claims being made? Clearly you have once again proved to be the fanboy since you just automatically believe whatever information you feel reinforces your already biased POV.

[QUOTE="ReverieDLM"]

[QUOTE="FireFox-360"]so just because he might have gotten a few less than important facts wrong, you just presume that every single word is compleate and utter nonsense, thinking like that is what causes people to beleive things about the xbox that is just not true, which in-turn causes people to beleive things that are not true about the Ps3.FireFox-360

It's far beyond that. Critically important information in the video is absolutely wrong, and other extremely important information is missing. And yes, beacuse of that, the video as a whole is worse than useless, because it twists what little information is actually there to push a specific agenda, instead of trying to accurately portray the strengths and weaknesses of the two platforms.

What agenda would he have to create this video, this video has all the neccesary information to see the truth, but some people tend to dismiss the importance of some of the fact, like the Xbox 360 being able so support Direct X 10, but the ps3 cannot, and some people dont see how much of an impact Direct X 10 makes on the graphics of games.

Lol...what agenda? What agenda do you have endlessly defending him? What agenda do you have to promote anti-Sony propaganda? What motive do the forum fanboys have to constantly hype their console while bashing smoeone elses.

Hint: there is no agenda...just ego and stupidity. A dangerous combo.

[QUOTE="whyamisogood716"]real facts. PSN is the worst online service on earth for gaming. why anyone wants to play online gaming on the ps3 is truely baffling. thats a fact.ermacness

[QUOTE="ReverieDLM"]

[QUOTE="FireFox-360"]so just because he might have gotten a few less than important facts wrong, you just presume that every single word is compleate and utter nonsense, thinking like that is what causes people to beleive things about the xbox that is just not true, which in-turn causes people to beleive things that are not true about the Ps3.FireFox-360

It's far beyond that. Critically important information in the video is absolutely wrong, and other extremely important information is missing. And yes, beacuse of that, the video as a whole is worse than useless, because it twists what little information is actually there to push a specific agenda, instead of trying to accurately portray the strengths and weaknesses of the two platforms.

What agenda would he have to create this video, this video has all the neccesary information to see the truth, but some people tend to dismiss the importance of some of the fact, like the Xbox 360 being able so support Direct X 10, but the ps3 cannot, and some people dont see how much of an impact Direct X 10 makes on the graphics of games.

NEITHER console supports DirectX 10. I am so sick and tired of hearing this sort of garbage from people.

DirectX is an API. It is a specific set of function calls that the driver for your hardware must support. Period. There is a specification involved with each version of DirectX that the card must meet to be able to support the API.

Now, here's the thing. Neither the PS3 nor the 360 use DirectX. There are no drivers for those cards in the sense that you use drivers on a PC. Console development is right on the metal. There are instructions that the cards support, and the developers hook right in to them.

Think of it like this:
DirectXN exposes a function called DrawCircle(Center, Radius);

To be DirectX N-compliant, a card's drivers must support this function. But say you have two cards:
Card A has an internal function DrawCircle(Center, Radius, Color);
Card B only has the function DrawCircle(Center, Radius, Color);

Card A is superior to Card B in this regard, but if you're using DirectX, you would only have the ability to use the same part of Card A's functionality and in Card B.

DirectX is a convenience that allows programmers to code against a single API instead of rewriting their entire renderer for every graphics card ever released. Nothing more, nothing less.

Both the RSX and the Xenos are capable of performing actions that are not possible using DirectX 9. That does not make them DirectX parts. They are simply parts with their own capabilities.

Multichannel Output (software driven)

[QUOTE="azad_champ"]Mods should lock threads that are plain stupid.....like this one!xX0LDSCH00LXx

I just read the first few messages and they are all either innaccurate or just plain ridiculous. Why should I even go any further ?

diggyzoom

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I'd just like to add a PS to the above post.

Most people spouting misinformation about DirectX don't know they're doing it. They're getting their bad information from other people who also talk about DirectX and GPU's without knowing what they're talking about.

I would only strongly urge everyone to please fact check your technical information at reputable sites before reposting it in SW. It degrades the quality of discussion.

the second vid also has some links where the info actually cam from, take a look at them if you dont beleive the maker of the vid.

FireFox-360

That one may talk and talk and yet say nothing.

Statistics are exactly that, merely statistics. They cannot defend themselves against manipulation or distortion and they can not in and of themselves correct misconceptions regarding themselves. Words are merely that, you can interpret them so many ways and often there is only one real way.

Speculation, misinformation, lack of comprehension, and outright deception are all factors that come into play in these videos. Its not enough to quote the sources, you have to understand them and no one here aside from perhaps Teuf actually does.

That came out a bit muddled up, but i will post a new one in a minute, the information is from gamespot so you know it will be reliable and now you will see that the important info was right.FireFox-360

You still don't get it. There is much more to these systems than the clock speed of the CPU and GPU. These statistics are meaningless because they tell you absolutely nothing about where parts of the system start to fall over due to bottlenecks, or capabilities of the system that can be used to defeat something that may seem like a bottleneck somewhere else.

Order of magnitude differences in bandwidth, memory, or chip speed will typically be a pretty clear indicator of when one system will typically outperform another, but with systems as close as the PS3 and the 360, you have to dig a lot deeper than some press numbers. You have obviously been terribly misinformed about how these systems work and what developers are doing with them, but there is plenty of evidence to show that the PS3 is capable of more across the board, even if not by a particularly large margin.