The reason we need a "console" graphics king

So we can compare the differences in power between the consoles. When someone says "console graphics king" that instantly means they're acknowledging Crysis as the king of everthing. Everyone with half a brain knows that PC is and will always be the graphics king. I mean, you can literally upgrade the thing on a monthly basis assuming you can afford it. Consoles have locked in hardware, so it only makes sense to compare them to eachother. And the reason this usually comes down to a 360/PS3 war is simple, the Wii just cannot keep up with the other 2.

There are cows here who will say that U2 looks better then Crysis and to them I point a finger and laugh.

Anyways the whole point of the thread. Saying we can't have a console graphics king because Cows argue about the PC/360 games being multiplat is simply stupid. Graphics kings is not a comparison of games, but rather the power of each system. Yes, it's just a battle for second place. But it's still nice to know which console has the better looking exclusives.

I know this thread is going to be about 99% people simply ignoring this post and saying I'm an idiot, then saying I'm a cow, then saying we can't have one or the other. But whatever, to the people who do read this, hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say.

Put bluntly:

Console graphics king is a comparison of one console to another moreso then about the games. Since, as we all know, you don't play graphics, you play games.

care level = 0

"Console" Graphics King is a lame title.

"Game" Graphics King is much better because it's the game that gets the title and not the Console.

And if either console ends up being more powerful than the other? So what? Must not be by much, cause i am not seeing a big difference between the two at all.

And if either console ends up being more powerful than the other? So what? Must not be by much, cause i am not seeing a big difference between the two at all.

AAllxxjjnn

exactly.

there should be a wii graphics king,

and we could compare it to GBA

becouse thats how pc gamers feel when we compare console to pc :P

just kidding :)

Well, a console "king" generally doesn't have around a 33% failure rate at launch :oops:

Not saying the console prince to the "king" from the last dynasty did everything right.

Because if there was no console graphics king we'd have this:

...:P (I had to think as of what console games have challenged Crysis...)

Its a Win-Lose title, sure you get the glory of the consoles but the inevitability of getting squashed by Crysis 8) You guys check out the Dx11 enhanced photos, I think their just demonstration but still awesome.

Because if there was no console graphics king we'd have this:

...:P (I had to think as of what console games have challenged Crysis...)

Cait__Sith

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Because if there was no console graphics king we'd have this:

...:P (I had to think as of what console games have challenged Crysis...)

blazinpuertoroc

This gen's SW is weird :P everyone's fighting for 2nd place, in both sale and graphicssalxis

[QUOTE="salxis"]This gen's SW is weird :P everyone's fighting for 2nd place, in both sale and graphicsCait__Sith

Lmao, that picture is win. Bravo.

So what? At the end of the day you'll still be at second place.

If you're really that obsessed with graphics, then purchase a PC.

Ownage, self esteem, ego ......etc.

we shall be proud of being owners of the console which has the gfx king.:D

So what? At the end of the day you'll still be at second place.

If you're really that obsessed with graphics, then purchase a PC.

SpinoRaptor24

Well, traditionally console and PC gamers have been separate groups, because the playing environment is different. Console gamers (stereotypically) enjoy consoles over PCs for the ease of use and plug-and-play nature. Just jump in and get going.

PC gamers, however, are either willing to put up with the necessary upgrading and such, or they actually enjoy it.

At least, this is how I've always seen it based on the gamers that I've been friends with throughout my life. Console gamers don't want to play games on a PC for the jump in visual quality, so it's easier for them to just bicker about which console is better and act as if PC does not exist as a gaming platform.

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And if either console ends up being more powerful than the other? So what? Must not be by much, cause i am not seeing a big difference between the two at all.

LegatoSkyheart

exactly.

In the end though, history shows that the most powerful console usually end up dead last or just getting pushed off the market altogether. More powerful and better graphics=/=better console.

Sorry, I thought I had made this clear in the OP. kudos to everyone for keeping the discussion not so fanboyish.

Overall lineup is what defines the power of systems/consoles, not only 1 or 2 exclusives. There are already hundreds of games for every system this gen and looking at all of them its pretty clear that graphics wise: PC >>> 360 = PS3 >>> Wii

And if either console ends up being more powerful than the other? So what? Must not be by much, cause i am not seeing a big difference between the two at all.

AAllxxjjnn

As for the topic of this thread, I'm all for the idea of having a 'console graphics king', as, unlike PC's, where the potential is effectively limitless through the use of continuous upgrades, consoles, as some have said already are locked at the technology of the time of their release. It's exciting to see what developers can do, and how they can harness that technology to do truly special things. The PS3 in particular is an interesting one to watch, because the Cell is so unique and so it's limitations are effectively unknown. I could quote several publishers and developers who have discussed the way that they believe the Xbox 360 is reaching its limits in terms of hardware potential, whilst the PS3 has not, as of yet.

All the consoles of this generation have serious advantages over eachother, and the introduction of new ways to interact with games (e.g. Project Natal, Gem, stereoscopic 3D) is making them all the more important to the development of games' future. It is important to compare these consoles in a variety of ways, as, inevitably, as I have already said there will be areas where they outshine eachother. Graphics is one of these, and if a console continually proves to have superior-looking games (as PS3 appears to at present), then it implies that it is a more graphically-capable machine. Comparing platforms is what 'System Wars' is all about, and, although it is something not especially easy to measure (unlike the number of people a system supports in a single game, or whether it supports features such as voice-chat and party-invites), without graphics, it will simply become even more opinion-based than it already is...

Well, according to the OED, the PC is a console. So, word failed.Vandalvideo

So we can compare the differences in power between the consoles. When someone says "console graphics king" that instantly means they're acknowledging Crysis as the king of everthing. Everyone with half a brain knows that PC is and will always be the graphics king. I mean, you can literally upgrade the thing on a monthly basis assuming you can afford it. Consoles have locked in hardware, so it only makes sense to compare them to eachother. And the reason this usually comes down to a 360/PS3 war is simple, the Wii just cannot keep up with the other 2.

There are cows here who will say that U2 looks better then Crysis and to them I point a finger and laugh.

Anyways the whole point of the thread. Saying we can't have a console graphics king because Cows argue about the PC/360 games being multiplat is simply stupid. Graphics kings is not a comparison of games, but rather the power of each system. Yes, it's just a battle for second place. But it's still nice to know which console has the better looking exclusives.

I know this thread is going to be about 99% people simply ignoring this post and saying I'm an idiot, then saying I'm a cow, then saying we can't have one or the other. But whatever, to the people who do read this, hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say.

Put bluntly:

Console graphics king is a comparison of one console to another moreso then about the games. Since, as we all know, you don't play graphics, you play games.

xX-Incubus-Xx

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Well, according to the OED, the PC is a console. So, word failed.king_bobo

Overall lineup is what defines the power of systems/consoles, not only 1 or 2 exclusives. There are already hundreds of games for every system this gen and looking at all of them its pretty clear that graphics wise: PC >>> 360 = PS3 >>> Wii

PAL360

Obviously I'm biased (I am human after all) but too me it appears that 360 fans are in denial about the power of the two consoles. At the start of this gen, many could safetly say that:

360>>>PS3

Now we are at a point were PS3 exclusives have begun to surpass 360 exclusives

PS3>360

Yet many 360 fans claim that graphically the two systems are equal as you have suggested. It is fact that the 360 could not run Uncharted 2 atleast without compression, so I don't see why there is some sort of feeling of denial that: 'lets call it a tie'.

Online:

360>>>PS3

Graphically:

PS3>>>360

Graphically, there is no tie, but as said before, each system has its merits, and thus the two systems are tied in my opinion.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Overall lineup is what defines the power of systems/consoles, not only 1 or 2 exclusives. There are already hundreds of games for every system this gen and looking at all of them its pretty clear that graphics wise: PC >>> 360 = PS3 >>> Wii

Urworstnhtmare

Obviously I'm biased (I am human after all) but too me it appears that 360 fans are in denial about the power of the two consoles. At the start of this gen, many could safetly say that:

360>>>PS3

Now we are at a point were PS3 exclusives have begun to surpass 360 exclusives

PS3>360

Yet many 360 fans claim that graphically the two systems are equal as you have suggested. It is fact that the 360 could not run Uncharted 2 atleast without compression, so I don't see why there is some sort of feeling of denial that: 'lets call it a tie'.

Online:

360>>>PS3

Graphically:

PS3>>>360

Graphically, there is no tie, but as said before, each system has its merits, and thus the two systems are tied in my opinion.

Last gen, ps2 fanboys were like "omg grafix dont matter", considering the ps2 graphics sucked...now the same fanboys this gen say "omg grafix matter!!11"...really?

[QUOTE="Urworstnhtmare"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Overall lineup is what defines the power of systems/consoles, not only 1 or 2 exclusives. There are already hundreds of games for every system this gen and looking at all of them its pretty clear that graphics wise: PC >>> 360 = PS3 >>> Wii

Modern_Unit

Obviously I'm biased (I am human after all) but too me it appears that 360 fans are in denial about the power of the two consoles. At the start of this gen, many could safetly say that:

360>>>PS3

Now we are at a point were PS3 exclusives have begun to surpass 360 exclusives

PS3>360

Yet many 360 fans claim that graphically the two systems are equal as you have suggested. It is fact that the 360 could not run Uncharted 2 atleast without compression, so I don't see why there is some sort of feeling of denial that: 'lets call it a tie'.

Online:

360>>>PS3

Graphically:

PS3>>>360

Graphically, there is no tie, but as said before, each system has its merits, and thus the two systems are tied in my opinion.

Last gen, ps2 fanboys were like "omg grafix dont matter", considering the ps2 graphics sucked...now the same fanboys this gen say "omg grafix matter!!11"...really?

The topic is about graphics. So yes graphics matter, but we are talking about the current gen. And I never even said that during the previous generatoin of consoles graphics didn't matter. And your statement assumes all PS2 fanboys instantly jumped onto the PS3 bandwagon, while the Xbox fan's did he same with the 360 bandwagon.

No, when consoles first come out, it tends to be pretty close with the PC....tehsystemwarior

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Overall lineup is what defines the power of systems/consoles, not only 1 or 2 exclusives. There are already hundreds of games for every system this gen and looking at all of them its pretty clear that graphics wise: PC >>> 360 = PS3 >>> Wii

Urworstnhtmare

Obviously I'm biased (I am human after all) but too me it appears that 360 fans are in denial about the power of the two consoles. At the start of this gen, many could safetly say that:

360>>>PS3

Now we are at a point were PS3 exclusives have begun to surpass 360 exclusives

PS3>360

Yet many 360 fans claim that graphically the two systems are equal as you have suggested. It is fact that the 360 could not run Uncharted 2 atleast without compression, so I don't see why there is some sort of feeling of denial that: 'lets call it a tie'.

Online:

360>>>PS3

Graphically:

PS3>>>360

Graphically, there is no tie, but as said before, each system has its merits, and thus the two systems are tied in my opinion.

Its not denial. At least to me

And how is it a fact that 360 cant do Uncharted2? 360 have been showing that have no problem to run games ALMOST as good looking as Uncharted2 like Assassins Creed 2, Resident Evil 5, Far Cry 2, Gears 2, etc...

The problem is that we cant compare exclusives since theres not the "other version"

" 'cause you can't upgrade a console :cry:"SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="Urworstnhtmare"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Overall lineup is what defines the power of systems/consoles, not only 1 or 2 exclusives. There are already hundreds of games for every system this gen and looking at all of them its pretty clear that graphics wise: PC >>> 360 = PS3 >>> Wii

PAL360

Obviously I'm biased (I am human after all) but too me it appears that 360 fans are in denial about the power of the two consoles. At the start of this gen, many could safetly say that:

360>>>PS3

Now we are at a point were PS3 exclusives have begun to surpass 360 exclusives

PS3>360

Yet many 360 fans claim that graphically the two systems are equal as you have suggested. It is fact that the 360 could not run Uncharted 2 atleast without compression, so I don't see why there is some sort of feeling of denial that: 'lets call it a tie'.

Online:

360>>>PS3

Graphically:

PS3>>>360

Graphically, there is no tie, but as said before, each system has its merits, and thus the two systems are tied in my opinion.

Its not denial. At least to me

And how is it a fact that 360 cant do Uncharted2? 360 have been showing that have no problem to run games ALMOST as good looking as Uncharted2 like Assassins Creed 2, Resident Evil 5, Far Cry 2, Gears 2, etc...

The problem is that we cant compare exclusives since theres not the "other version".

Please don't misinterpret me. I was not suggesting you were in a place of self denial. I do not know you, nor do I know why you have the opinions you have. The people who take SW passionatly and insist that graphically one system is better than the other because they own that specific console are the ones I'm talking about. I personally own neither system, yet I spend almost as much time on both as a person who owns one or the other.

Oh and I totally agree about the exclusives,

[QUOTE="Urworstnhtmare"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Overall lineup is what defines the power of systems/consoles, not only 1 or 2 exclusives. There are already hundreds of games for every system this gen and looking at all of them its pretty clear that graphics wise: PC >>> 360 = PS3 >>> Wii

Obviously I'm biased (I am human after all) but too me it appears that 360 fans are in denial about the power of the two consoles. At the start of this gen, many could safetly say that:

360>>>PS3

Now we are at a point were PS3 exclusives have begun to surpass 360 exclusives

PS3>360

Yet many 360 fans claim that graphically the two systems are equal as you have suggested. It is fact that the 360 could not run Uncharted 2 atleast without compression, so I don't see why there is some sort of feeling of denial that: 'lets call it a tie'.

Online:

360>>>PS3

Graphically:

PS3>>>360

Graphically, there is no tie, but as said before, each system has its merits, and thus the two systems are tied in my opinion.

Its not denial. At least to me

And how is it a fact that 360 cant do Uncharted2? 360 have been showing that have no problem to run games ALMOST as good looking as Uncharted2 like Assassins Creed 2, Resident Evil 5, Far Cry 2, Gears 2, etc...

The problem is that we cant compare exclusives since theres not the "other version"

The biggest complaint from most people is not that there is a "console graphics king", but that the same people (PS3 Fanboys) claiming it will then say there is no "console exclusives" if the games are on the PC. You can't sit and claim something to be on consoles only when it comes to graphics, but then say when we are looking at exclusives all the systems are into play. That's hypocritical, and most people don't like it.

Bottom line if we are comparing stuff on consoles only then everything should be compared on consoles only. It's the only fair way. However since this is system wars and the PC is a system then there can be no console graphics king.

The PC will always win graphically, but some people like me don't want to keep buying $250 graphics cards every 6 months just to play the latest game in all it's glory. That's why I got out of PC gaming to begin with.

Seriously? I was under the impression that there was a general consensus in the videogames industry now that high-end Playstation 3 exclusives often offered higher graphical fidelity than high-end Xbox 360 ones (although games like Gears of War and Alan Wake certainly do give games like Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 a run for their money). It's difficult to find sources on the matter, as no single one is going to speak for the entire videogames industry, but I can hunt out a few if you'd like me to :)king_bobo

Its not denial. At least to me

And how is it a fact that 360 cant do Uncharted2? PAL360

"I guarantee that this game couldn't be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I'm 100 percent sure of this. First of all, we fill the Blu-ray 100 percent, we have no room left on this one. We have 25GB of data; we're using every single bit of it. It's the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive. You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox."

Okay, so maybe it's a first-party studio, so we can take the thing about the SPU's with a pinch of salt, but, assuming a considerable amount of that space was used to include high-resolution textures, there's no denying that the Xbox 360's disk medium limits its potential in terms of detail and size...

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Its not denial. At least to me

And how is it a fact that 360 cant do Uncharted2? king_bobo

"I guarantee that this game couldn't be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I'm 100 percent sure of this. First of all, we fill the Blu-ray 100 percent, we have no room left on this one. We have 25GB of data; we're using every single bit of it. It's the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive. You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox."

Okay, so maybe it's a first-party studio, so we can take the thing about the SPU's with a pinch of salt, but, assuming a considerable amount of that space was used to include high-resolution textures, there's no denying that the Xbox 360's disk medium limits its potential in terms of detail and size...

Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 are the only games that look better than anything the 360 has to offer. The gap between these two games and other games on the market (Gears 2, RE5, etc) isn't nearly as large as some people would like to believe. PC is the only system that has games that technically superior to consoles by a large margin.

AAllxxjjnn

Thats why I said without compression atleast.

Urworstnhtmare

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Its not denial. At least to me

And how is it a fact that 360 cant do Uncharted2? king_bobo

"I guarantee that this game couldn't be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I'm 100 percent sure of this. First of all, we fill the Blu-ray 100 percent, we have no room left on this one. We have 25GB of data; we're using every single bit of it. It's the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive. You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox."

Okay, so maybe it's a first-party studio, so we can take the thing about the SPU's with a pinch of salt, but, assuming a considerable amount of that space was used to include high-resolution textures, there's no denying that the Xbox 360's disk medium limits its potential in terms of detail and size...

didn't kojima say 50 gig blurays weren't enough then it turned out mgs 4 only took up 32-38 gigs?

25 gigs isn't alot specially if they split it between 2 dvds, then you have the fact compression=/= low quality or bad compression specially smart compression can produce results the same as the uncompressed version.
Then we have the fact that too many people think but bluray and ps3 dont use compression when they do, a uncompressed TRUELY uncompressed in its raw form dvd resolution movie would take up to 300 gigs or so.

Lol. I was making sure I had all my bases covered. One user posted an excellent article about the truth about the PS3 vs Xbox 360. Claimed to be a programmer who had done work on both systems, preferred how much easier the 360 was to program for, but how the PS3 has so much untapped potential. Currently there isn't much dividing the two, but give it a couple of years.

[QUOTE="king_bobo"] But how do you define 'small'? :D Doesn't it at least need to be 'designed' to play computerised games, as opposed to simply 'used'?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="king_bobo"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Its not denial. At least to me

And how is it a fact that 360 cant do Uncharted2? WilliamRLBaker

"I guarantee that this game couldn't be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I'm 100 percent sure of this. First of all, we fill the Blu-ray 100 percent, we have no room left on this one. We have 25GB of data; we're using every single bit of it. It's the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive. You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox."

Okay, so maybe it's a first-party studio, so we can take the thing about the SPU's with a pinch of salt, but, assuming a considerable amount of that space was used to include high-resolution textures, there's no denying that the Xbox 360's disk medium limits its potential in terms of detail and size...

didn't kojima say 50 gig blurays weren't enough then it turned out mgs 4 only took up 32-38 gigs?