The reason why Nintendo will probably win this generation. It's not game

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#1 SonyHater
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  It's pricetag!  Wii is very affordable that alot of people/parents/even non-gamers are willing to buy.  I know alot of people who want a 360 but can't afford it.  The fact is there are alot more poor people in this world then middle-class or wealthy.  Infact there is about 10 fold more poor people.  Do you think Joe Shmoe can afford a 360 flippin burgers at Mcdonald's with his other bills?  Hell no.  If he saves up he could afford a Wii alot more soon.  When the 360/ps3 come down in price we will see a drastic change.  The problem is that I don't believe MS or SOny are coming down on thier prices any time in the near future.
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#2 wavebrid
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pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

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#3 TSCombo
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pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

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#4 taker42
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Price and games. Nothing else.
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#5 shsonline
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Once the prices drop, it'll get interesting. Because eventually its going to come down to game libraries, not price. 
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[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

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end of thread TC.
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#7 SonyHater
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pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

wavebrid


YOu are blind.  The Wii is around the pricepoint that the ps2/xbox was when sales soard.  Never have we had a $400+ console succeed.  Ownage Denied infact Self Ownage for being a blind fanboy.
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[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

SonyHater


YOu are blind. The Wii is around the pricepoint that the ps2/xbox was when sales soard. Never have we had a $400+ console succeed. Ownage Denied infact Self Ownage for being a blind fanboy.



face it tc you were owned /thread
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[QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

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Pwnage approved.

end of thread TC.



Not really. The difference between launch prices of 250.00, 399.00 and 599.00 is SLIGHTLY different than launch prices of 199.00, 299.00 and 299.00
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#10 HarlockJC
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Once the prices drop, it'll get interesting. Because eventually its going to come down to game libraries, not price. shsonline

I wish people would stop saying this every few months people say that the 360 or PSP are going to go down in price. Even if the 360 went down in price Nintendo still has room to go down futher in price. Also Microsoft is now for the first time is not losing money when making the 360 why would they lower the price and lose money again?

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#11 nsoufiani
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[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

SonyHater



YOu are blind.  The Wii is around the pricepoint that the ps2/xbox was when sales soard.  Never have we had a $400+ console succeed.  Ownage Denied infact Self Ownage for being a blind fanboy.

this word ownage and its concept really cracks me up! lol!! "you fail! ownage!" "ownage denied, infact self ownage!" its like some game inside this forum lol! its like an rpg! he hits you and you block and counter! lol!

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#12 dumbstupid101
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no controller and price

i bought into the controller

and i regret it

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Oh, don't worry about the quality games as long as the console is $200+ less than the competition it will win this gen. :roll:

That's just sad that consumers buy consoles nowadays just because of it's price and not it's games.  Nintendo just stab gaming right in the back with this one!

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#14 TSCombo
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Oh, don't worry about the quality games as long as the console is $200+ less than the competition it will win this gen. :roll:

That's just sad that consumers buy consoles nowadays just because of it's price and not it's games.  Nintendo just stab gaming right in the back with this one!

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I know, gaming should be high-priced dude.
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#15 DKII
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It's not just price, it's the fact that it's something different while it's cheap enough that people can afford to try it out. If the Wii was $400 and HD it wouldn't sell, and if the Wii didn't have the remote it wouldn't sell either. Oh and Wii games are better than PS3 games right now, though 360 blows both out of the water. Eventually that 1-year build-up lead in the games library will diminish though--in a couple years we'll find out who really gets the best. :)
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#16 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

wavebrid

TO be fair, the price difference between the GC and other consoles was much less than the price difference between the Wii and other consoles. 

However, I also disagree somewhat.  While the price is certainly a big factor, I think the casuals that drive the market see fun interactive games like Wii sports, play it with friends, and think "this is sweet, I've got to get one."

So really, it is the games.

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#17 HarlockJC
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Oh, don't worry about the quality games as long as the console is $200+ less than the competition it will win this gen. :roll:

That's just sad that consumers buy consoles nowadays just because of it's price and not it's games.  Nintendo just stab gaming right in the back with this one!

iceberg_shorty

there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer" like your self but hey for everyone else....Zelda,WiiSports, Sonic, Rayman, Super Monkey Ball, Wario and All the VC games your right no good games have came out so far

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#18 Ontain
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it's games and price. please stop with your weak excuses and tempts to try to belittle a system you don't like. Wii sports is a reason a lot of ppl bought the wii. if they didn't have that game the price wouldn't have mattered because they system wouldn't have sold as much.
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there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"HarlockJC

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets. 

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"iceberg_shorty

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets. 

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

Nintendo has hardcore games and normal games. A hardcore gamer likes new style of games as well. Metroid Prime, Zelda and Mario for the hardcore 1ps. Wii sports, Wii play etc for the casual etc.. Oh and don't say Mario isnt. Try beating SMB3 without saving on the NES.
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#21 psycotictaratua
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Wow, $50 difference has that big of an influence?

Original Gamecube price: $199.99
Original PS2 price: $299.99
Original Xbox price: $299.99

So, why did the GC, which started out $100 cheaper than it's competitors, end up dead last?  I know that prices were later lowered so that the GC was only $50 cheaper, but hey, that's currently the difference between the 360 and the Wii.
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Wow, $50 difference has that big of an influence?

Original Gamecube price: $199.99
Original PS2 price: $299.99
Original Xbox price: $299.99

So, why did the GC, which started out $100 cheaper than it's competitors, end up dead last? I know that prices were later lowered so that the GC was only $50 cheaper, but hey, that's currently the difference between the 360 and the Wii.
psycotictaratua


I'm sorry but the 360 is 399.00. If you think anybody buys the core, then you're just lying to yourself. It's really silly to compare last gen when talking about price differences. 399.00 to 250.00 is a big difference to the average consumer compared to 199.00 to 299.00
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#23 Warfust
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that's currently the difference between the 360 and the Wii.
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Who buys the Core???
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[QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]Wow, $50 difference has that big of an influence?

Original Gamecube price: $199.99
Original PS2 price: $299.99
Original Xbox price: $299.99

So, why did the GC, which started out $100 cheaper than it's competitors, end up dead last? I know that prices were later lowered so that the GC was only $50 cheaper, but hey, that's currently the difference between the 360 and the Wii.
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I'm sorry but the 360 is 399.00. If you think anybody buys the core, then you're just lying to yourself. It's really silly to compare last gen when talking about price differences. 399.00 to 250.00 is a big difference to the average consumer compared to 199.00 to 299.00


I wasn't saying anyone buys the core.  I was arguing against the idea that the Wii's success is due solely to price.  The 360 core is available for cheaper than the premium, and if price was the main determining factor, it would sell.
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#25 Ontain
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[QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]Wow, $50 difference has that big of an influence?

Original Gamecube price: $199.99
Original PS2 price: $299.99
Original Xbox price: $299.99

So, why did the GC, which started out $100 cheaper than it's competitors, end up dead last? I know that prices were later lowered so that the GC was only $50 cheaper, but hey, that's currently the difference between the 360 and the Wii.
shsonline


I'm sorry but the 360 is 399.00. If you think anybody buys the core, then you're just lying to yourself. It's really silly to compare last gen when talking about price differences. 399.00 to 250.00 is a big difference to the average consumer compared to 199.00 to 299.00

150 now is not that much greater than 100 back then.
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[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]Wow, $50 difference has that big of an influence?

Original Gamecube price: $199.99
Original PS2 price: $299.99
Original Xbox price: $299.99

So, why did the GC, which started out $100 cheaper than it's competitors, end up dead last? I know that prices were later lowered so that the GC was only $50 cheaper, but hey, that's currently the difference between the 360 and the Wii.
Ontain


I'm sorry but the 360 is 399.00. If you think anybody buys the core, then you're just lying to yourself. It's really silly to compare last gen when talking about price differences. 399.00 to 250.00 is a big difference to the average consumer compared to 199.00 to 299.00

150 now is not that much greater than 100 back then.


True, especially considering the economy was crashing, and people were worried it had no place to go but down.  The economy's more or less stable now, and it's starting to improve again.
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#27 shsonline
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[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="psycotictaratua"]Wow, $50 difference has that big of an influence?

Original Gamecube price: $199.99
Original PS2 price: $299.99
Original Xbox price: $299.99

So, why did the GC, which started out $100 cheaper than it's competitors, end up dead last? I know that prices were later lowered so that the GC was only $50 cheaper, but hey, that's currently the difference between the 360 and the Wii.
Ontain


I'm sorry but the 360 is 399.00. If you think anybody buys the core, then you're just lying to yourself. It's really silly to compare last gen when talking about price differences. 399.00 to 250.00 is a big difference to the average consumer compared to 199.00 to 299.00

150 now is not that much greater than 100 back then.



yes. Especially considering that 399.00 is uncharted territory for a major console.
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"iceberg_shorty

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets. 

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

No Hardcore Gamers are a very small part of the industry and has long has they make games like Zelda, Mario, SSBB, MP3 and Fire Emblem they will keep the Hardcore gamers happy....Which is great because there other games like Wiiplay, WiiSports, Wario and Mario Party will keep everyone else happy

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[QUOTE="Pangster007"][QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

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end of thread TC.



Not really. The difference between launch prices of 250.00, 399.00 and 599.00 is SLIGHTLY different than launch prices of 199.00, 299.00 and 299.00

You mean: 250/300/500?
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[QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"HarlockJC

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets. 

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

No Hardcore Gamers are a very small part of the industry and has long has they make games like Zelda, Mario, SSBB, MP3 and Fire Emblem they will keep the Hardcore gamers happy....Which is great because there other games like Wiiplay, WiiSports, Wario and Mario Party will keep everyone else happy

Who is everyone else?

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"iceberg_shorty

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets. 

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

No Hardcore Gamers are a very small part of the industry and has long has they make games like Zelda, Mario, SSBB, MP3 and Fire Emblem they will keep the Hardcore gamers happy....Which is great because there other games like Wiiplay, WiiSports, Wario and Mario Party will keep everyone else happy

Who is everyone else?

The Casual gamers

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It's ridiculous that some of your line of thinking tha price dosen't matter.  When you kids grow up, live on your own, and dont have your parents pay your bills you might begin to understand.

Oh and the price difference is alot more then $50 between the wii and 360

Wii= Ready to play out of the box with game.

360-Even if you buy the core, $49.99 for a memory card, plus you have to buy a game.

Some of you have rocks for brains and need to think about other people beside yourself. 

If you think the wii is doing great just because of it's library, that is a joke.  It's library is piss poor right now, with only a few titles worth owning to the majority of the industry.
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[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

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The past has shown that you can't go by price.
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*Cough* what was the GC then??
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It's ridiculous that some of your line of thinking tha price dosen't matter. When you kids grow up, live on your own, and dont have your parents pay your bills you might begin to understand.

Oh and the price difference is alot more then $50 between the wii and 360

Wii= Ready to play out of the box with game.

360-Even if you buy the core, $49.99 for a memory card, plus you have to buy a game.

Some of you have rocks for brains and need to think about other people beside yourself.

If you think the wii is doing great just because of it's library, that is a joke. It's library is piss poor right now, with only a few titles worth owning to the majority of the industry.
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The console has been out for three/four months and already it has about 5 games worth owning...I think that's pretty good. And that doesn't count the VC either.
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[QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"HarlockJC

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets. 

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

No Hardcore Gamers are a very small part of the industry and has long has they make games like Zelda, Mario, SSBB, MP3 and Fire Emblem they will keep the Hardcore gamers happy....Which is great because there other games like Wiiplay, WiiSports, Wario and Mario Party will keep everyone else happy

Who is everyone else?

The Casual gamers

GTA4, Live, 2K sports games, and Halo 3 is not on the wii

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#37 TDLlama
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You can't go by price... alone! Yes, the price plays some part, especially in the PS3's case. Lots of friends won't buy a PS3 because it's too expensive, but at some point, a good game library, downloadable content, and other innovations like online and motion sensing are a factor. Plus, most, if not all gaming systems drop in price at some point... I smell a 360 drop sometime before Christmas. Even the PS3 will become affordable at some point before the next gen starts.
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#38 axt113
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Once the prices drop, it'll get interesting. Because eventually its going to come down to game libraries, not price. shsonline
By then Wii will have the largest library
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"iceberg_shorty

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets.

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

No Hardcore Gamers are a very small part of the industry and has long has they make games like Zelda, Mario, SSBB, MP3 and Fire Emblem they will keep the Hardcore gamers happy....Which is great because there other games like Wiiplay, WiiSports, Wario and Mario Party will keep everyone else happy

Who is everyone else?

The Casual gamers

GTA4, Live, 2K sports games, and Halo 3 is not on the wii



that was the old Casual. Nintendog's, Brain Age, Wiisports... and the like are the new casual.
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#40 SonyHater
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5 games worth owning on wii not counting the VC? Yeah right. Thats fanboy opinion. I've owned my wii for 2 months and still only have some VC games and wii sports/Zelda. If you like Kookie off the wall games then yeah but thats only for certain people's taste.

Alot of you forget that the Gamecube was massively successful when it launched. Infact, its first year was fantastic. Then when Nintendo dropped the ball and made its image laughable, huge droughts, and kept missing out on the must -have exclusives, that is what killed the gamecube.

For every must have example: RE 4 on the gamecube there was 3-5 on the xbox/ps2.
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#41 Number_1_Gamer
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The only reason people buy the Wii are games. The price argument is stupid. Why would someone pay $250 for a console? They don't HAVE to buy any console. They good just choose to buy none and save that $250 altogether.
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[QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]there are a number of great games on the Wii, maybe not to a "hardcore gamer"GundamGuy0

So Nintendo abandones it's established gamers just for a quick buck out of the non gamers pockets.

Nintendo = Big Meat, the pens most hardcore criminal/convicted rapist

Gaming = Fresh fish, who is just stepping into the shower

No Hardcore Gamers are a very small part of the industry and has long has they make games like Zelda, Mario, SSBB, MP3 and Fire Emblem they will keep the Hardcore gamers happy....Which is great because there other games like Wiiplay, WiiSports, Wario and Mario Party will keep everyone else happy

Who is everyone else?

The Casual gamers

GTA4, Live, 2K sports games, and Halo 3 is not on the wii



that was the old Casual. Nintendog's, Brain Age, Wiisports... and the like are the new casual.

Yup the rest of the untapped market, the Grandparents, the parents, the wives and girlfriends, and the sisters of traditional gamers, and the lapsed gamers, those who no longer playy because they've gottent tired of the traditional consoles
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#43 OceanLeet
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[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

SonyHater


YOu are blind. The Wii is around the pricepoint that the ps2/xbox was when sales soard. Never have we had a $400+ console succeed. Ownage Denied infact Self Ownage for being a blind fanboy.


I second that ownage.  Wavebrid, if the pricetag means nothing, the 3DO would have dominated.  There is a price threshold that most people won't cross.  That line is about $250 to $300.  Also keep in mind that with the 360 and PS3, you have to pay the cost of the system + $60 for a game.  The Wii comes with one free.  The price difference between the PS2/Xbox and the Cube was only $50-$30 dollars....not the hundreds of dollars that it is now.
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#44 Hater3000
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wii has all the hype and the price is cheap so yeah its gonna win,i guess. The cube i guess it failed because the ps2 was extremly popular.Imo.Also the ps2 price wasnt extremly high.
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#45 RichieRich555
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I don't understand were these grandmas and other non-gamers are coming from. If they didn't want a xbox360 why would they want a wii? Its not all about the controller its the fact that some people may just not like playing video games.

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

wavebrid
^^^^what he said too
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#46 axt113
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[QUOTE="RichieRich555"]I don't understand were these grandmas and other non-gamers are coming from. If they didn't want a xbox360 why would they want a wii? Its not all about the controller its the fact that some people may just not like playing video games.

pricetag means nothing

look at cube...

you faild

wavebrid
^^^^what he said too

Actually the controller is part of it, it makes the games more accessible, and playing a game like bowling on wii is much more fun that on a 360