The reasons why this Holiday season will go bad for Sony.

1. Sony hype LBP to hell and back but never advertised it to the general public that dosn't follow gaming news.

2. We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)

3.Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket.

4.Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to.

5. Their new commercials are pretty to look at but sell nothing but Batman on blu-ray. They don't explain to the average consumer what games they have or what games they're seeing in the commercials ,again.

6.There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too.

The Sony fail train continuous, unfortunately.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]no commentsuRan_Ehr

1. Sony hype LBP to hell and back but never advertised it to the general public that dosn't follow gaming news.

2. We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)

3.Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket.

4.Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to.

5. Their new commercials are pretty to look at but sell nothing but Batman on blu-ray. They don't explain to the average consumer what games they have or what games they're seeing in the commercials ,again.

6.There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too.

 

The Sony fail train continuous, unfortunately.

dreman999

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec.

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells.

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough.

There will be lots of HDTV sold this coming Friday as well as Blu Ray players. PS3s will sell aswells you can get a gaming console and the best Blu Ray player on the market all in one.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]no commentsuRan_Ehr

[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="dreman999"]no commentsdreman999

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

1. Sony hype LBP to hell and back but never advertised it to the general public that dosn't follow gaming news.

2. We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)

3.Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket.

4.Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to.

5. Their new commercials are pretty to look at but sell nothing but Batman on blu-ray. They don't explain to the average consumer what games they have or what games they're seeing in the commercials ,again.

6.There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too.

The Sony fail train continuous, unfortunately.

jakarai

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec.

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells.

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough.

There will be lots of HDTV sold this coming Friday as well as Blu Ray players. PS3s will sell aswells you can get a gaming console and the best Blu Ray player on the market all in one.

THats very true. It could be because other forms of entertainment are more expensive now and days. Such as going to the movies and trips and such.

[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="dreman999"]no commentsblack_tempest

I would have posted a long time ago on this thread ,

but for some reason it automatically censored a word in my reply.

And the only word which it could have been was "dispute"

which i deleted and it still rejected the post :(

[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="dreman999"]no commentsdreman999

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

1. Sony hype LBP to hell and back but never advertised it to the general public that dosn't follow gaming news.

2. We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)

3.Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket.

4.Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to.

5. Their new commercials are pretty to look at but sell nothing but Batman on blu-ray. They don't explain to the average consumer what games they have or what games they're seeing in the commercials ,again.

6.There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too.

 

The Sony fail train continuous, unfortunately.

jakarai

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec.

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells.

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough.

There will be lots of HDTV sold this coming Friday as well as Blu Ray players. PS3s will sell aswells you can get a gaming console and the best Blu Ray player on the market all in one.

I disagree about the VG sales... We've never experienced a Holiday Season like this one with our economy in turmoil.  I myself plan on scaling back my shopping in order to save alittle more.   You can't predict something like this because we've yet to experience it.

Sony AND M$ have the hardcore in there pockets... Why the bloody hell do you think their sales are so close together...  The only reason M$ has a lead is because of the 1 year headstart.  Now that the price of the 360 is cheaper you'll see the 360 pull ahead.. that is until Sony drops the price of the PS3 and then we're right back where we started from.  

Again.. you're making a very bold assumption in wallet tightening times...  you can't possibly know that HDTV's will fly off of store shelves... 2 years ago.. Hell yea!  Today... who knows..  

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec. Link?

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells. Then why has the 360's price cut tripped up Sony so bad in North America?

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough. Please explain how Sony has the hardcore in their pocket. Also, explain how Sony will pull in the casuals. You don't seem to provide explainations, you just seem to have blind faith in Sony's ability to do well. Tell us why. Also, I fail to understand how casuals not being interested in a $400 dollar system helps Sony.jakarai

My responses are in red.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

1. Sony hype LBP to hell and back but never advertised it to the general public that dosn't follow gaming news.

2. We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)

3.Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket.

4.Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to.

5. Their new commercials are pretty to look at but sell nothing but Batman on blu-ray. They don't explain to the average consumer what games they have or what games they're seeing in the commercials ,again.

6.There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too.

 

The Sony fail train continuous, unfortunately.

jakarai

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec.

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells.

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough.

There will be lots of HDTV sold this coming Friday as well as Blu Ray players. PS3s will sell aswells you can get a gaming console and the best Blu Ray player on the market all in one.

[QUOTE="jakarai"]

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec.

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells.

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough.

There will be lots of HDTV sold this coming Friday as well as Blu Ray players. PS3s will sell aswells you can get a gaming console and the best Blu Ray player on the market all in one.

OhSnapitz

I disagree about the VG sales... We've never experienced a Holiday Season like this one with our economy in turmoil.  I myself plan on scaling back my shopping in order to save alittle more.   You can't predict something like this because we've yet to experience it.

Sony AND M$ have the hardcore in there pockets... Why the bloody hell do you think their sales are so close together...  The only reason M$ has a lead is because of the 1 year headstart.  Now that the price of the 360 is cheaper you'll see the 360 pull ahead.. that is until Sony drops the price of the PS3 and then we're right back where we started from.  

Again.. you're making a very bold assumption in wallet tightening times...  you can't possibly know that HDTV's will fly off of store shelves... 2 years ago.. Hell yea!  Today... who knows..  

I am pretty sure they will sell well this Friday. Wal-Mart has a 42' HDTV for $600. Those will be gone before the store even opens up. Just look at last months NPD numbers. Nearly 2 million hardware units sold in Oct. November and December will be huge for gaming.

I agree with the OP about the new commercials, it's like Sony is only interested in still pushing Blu Ray as the most important part of the PS3? I don't get that.

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that PS3 will do badly this season and is in serious trouble. 

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"] Hm, maybe because your ignorance makes some people speechless? I don't think that this holiday season will go bad for Sony. So my opinion =/= your opinion.JIT93

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

[QUOTE="jakarai"]Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec. Link?

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells. Then why has the 360's price cut tripped up Sony so bad in North America?

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough. Please explain how Sony has the hardcore in their pocket. Also, explain how Sony will pull in the casuals. You don't seem to provide explainations, you just seem to have blind faith in Sony's ability to do well. Tell us why. Also, I fail to understand how casuals not being interested in a $400 dollar system helps Sony.Tragic_Kingdom7

My responses are in red.

I will just wait until Novembers NPD numbers.

Like I said not many cacsuals are willing to pay $400 for a console. Sony has lots of casual games that sell millions of copies each time upon release like Singstar, Buzz, and Gran Turismo. When GT releases next year along side a price drop PS3 will sell tons and hit mainstream gamers across the globe.

[QUOTE="JIT93"][QUOTE="dreman999"] How is it Ignorant. These are facts.Tragic_Kingdom7

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="JIT93"] :lol: Oh wait, you were serious? :cry: All of your things are opinions, young lemming :|uRan_Ehr

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="jakarai"]Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec. Link?

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells. Then why has the 360's price cut tripped up Sony so bad in North America?

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough. Please explain how Sony has the hardcore in their pocket. Also, explain how Sony will pull in the casuals. You don't seem to provide explainations, you just seem to have blind faith in Sony's ability to do well. Tell us why. Also, I fail to understand how casuals not being interested in a $400 dollar system helps Sony.jakarai

My responses are in red.

I will just wait until Novembers NPD numbers.

Like I said not many cacsuals are willing to pay $400 for a console. Sony has lots of casual games that sell millions of copies each time upon release like Singstar, Buzz, and Gran Turismo. When GT releases next year along side a price drop PS3 will sell tons and hit mainstream gamers across the globe.

[QUOTE="jakarai"]

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec.

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells.

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough.

There will be lots of HDTV sold this coming Friday as well as Blu Ray players. PS3s will sell aswells you can get a gaming console and the best Blu Ray player on the market all in one.

dreman999

It's hard to say with video gaming hardware up this compared to last year on all platforms... :roll:

PS3 has awesome games thats why people are buying it. I never officialy owned a Playstation last generation so I know It wasn't brand loyalty to make me purchase one this generation.

[QUOTE="JIT93"][QUOTE="dreman999"] How is it Ignorant. These are facts.Tragic_Kingdom7

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

 

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

dreman999

He said he was god :P

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="jakarai"]

Sony has a 6 figure marketing campaign lined up for LittleBigPlanet for Dec.

If we have learned anything from this recession it's that it doesn't seem to affect video game sells.

If anything Sony has the hardcore in their pockets. Not many casuals are willing to pay $400 for a gaming console and Sony has sold over 15 million of them. Sony will pull in casuals soon enough.

There will be lots of HDTV sold this coming Friday as well as Blu Ray players. PS3s will sell aswells you can get a gaming console and the best Blu Ray player on the market all in one.

jakarai

I disagree about the VG sales... We've never experienced a Holiday Season like this one with our economy in turmoil.  I myself plan on scaling back my shopping in order to save alittle more.   You can't predict something like this because we've yet to experience it.

Sony AND M$ have the hardcore in there pockets... Why the bloody hell do you think their sales are so close together...  The only reason M$ has a lead is because of the 1 year headstart.  Now that the price of the 360 is cheaper you'll see the 360 pull ahead.. that is until Sony drops the price of the PS3 and then we're right back where we started from.  

Again.. you're making a very bold assumption in wallet tightening times...  you can't possibly know that HDTV's will fly off of store shelves... 2 years ago.. Hell yea!  Today... who knows..  

I am pretty sure they will sell well this Friday. Wal-Mart has a 42' HDTV for $600. Those will be gone before the store even opens up. Just look at last months NPD numbers. Nearly 2 million hardware units sold in Oct. November and December will be huge for gaming.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="JIT93"] :lol: Oh wait, you were serious? :cry: All of your things are opinions, young lemming :|uRan_Ehr

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that his statements can be proven right or wrong thus they are not opinions. And opinion cannot be proved right or wrong. "I like GTAIV" is an opinion. What the TC provided could be false, but they are NOT opinions. You can prove them right or wrong. When I say "unless this is proved wrong" I mean that if his data cannot be challenged, it is a fact. If what he's saying is shown to be false, it is not a fact. I never said anything different from this. But it is quite incorrect to label all of his statements as statements of opinion.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="JIT93"] :lol: Oh wait, you were serious? :cry: All of your things are opinions, young lemming :|JIT93

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

Please read:

That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that his statements can be proven right or wrong thus they are not opinions. And opinion cannot be proved right or wrong. "I like GTAIV" is an opinion. What the TC provided could be false, but they are NOT opinions. You can prove them right or wrong. When I say "unless this is proved wrong" I mean that if his data cannot be challenged, it is a fact. If what he's saying is shown to be false, it is not a fact. I never said anything different from this. But it is quite incorrect to label all of his statements as statements of opinion.

You're use of the word opinion is just plain wrong.

But I'll concede that the "hardcore in their pocket" thing is not a fact.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="JIT93"] :lol: Oh wait, you were serious? :cry: All of your things are opinions, young lemming :|JIT93

We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact:Xbox 360 $199, PS3 :399. SO 400 /2 =200. Also, look at the news, we're in a recession.

Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket. 25 million 360 SOLD link

Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to. Nintendo has sold more than 30 million Wiis and 90million ds. Microsoft just put out Lips.

There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket. LINK

Also HDTV sales are down,too.Link

MS might do better than Sony but seing as the 360 is the console version of McDonalds thats no surprise. We all know how that sells.Mlauthemighty

This is a pretty lame form of damage control, but for those who don't know what an opinion is, this is clearly one.

The statement that "HDTV sales are down" is not a statement of opinion. It can clearly be measured.

I think what some of you are struggling with is the concept that a false statement doesn't automatically equate to an opinion.

[QUOTE="JIT93"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

 

Before you troop on with your condescending attitude, you might want to learn what a fact actually is.

"We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact

"Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket." This is not exactly a cold hard fact, but parts of it are true. Microsoft has certainly done a better job of getting hardcore gamers to invest in their system.

"Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to." Fact. There's absolutely no denying that Nintendo has a stronghold on the casual market.

"There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket." Unless you can prove this wrong, this is a fact.

7. HDTV sales are down so blu-ray player sales are down,too. Unless this is proved wrong, it is a fact.

I'm not saying his argument is right, but he clearly employed facts (or atleast statements that can be proved wrong or right) more often than you are trying to convey.

Tragic_Kingdom7

That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that his statements can be proven right or wrong thus they are not opinions. And opinion cannot be proved right or wrong. "I like GTAIV" is an opinion. What the TC provided could be false, but they are NOT opinions. You can prove them right or wrong. When I say "unless this is proved wrong" I mean that if his data cannot be challenged, it is a fact. If what he's saying is shown to be false, it is not a fact. I never said anything different from this. But it is quite incorrect to label all of his statements as statements of opinion.

You're use of the word opinion is just plain wrong.

But I'll concede that the "hardcore in their pocket" thing is not a fact.

[QUOTE="JIT93"][QUOTE="dreman999"] It you think their not then explain, Please?dreman999

We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact:Xbox 360 $199, PS3 :399. SO 400 /2 =200.

Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket. 25 million 360 SOLD link

Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to. Nintendo has sold more than 30 million Wiis and 90million ds. Microsoft just put out Lips.

There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket. LINK

Also blu-ray player sales are down,too.Link

I may have worded some of my statements clumsy, but what I meant is that if the TC statements are proven true, they are facts. If they are proven false, they are not facts, they are false statements. This does not turn them into an OPINION. An opinion cannot be MEASURED.

I didn't mean to say he's automatically right if he's not proven wrong. I just mean that if his statements check out, they are statements of fact.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="JIT93"] Definition of an Opinion This is what you are doing :| Definition of a Fact This is what you are lacking, proof.JIT93

We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact:Xbox 360 $199, PS3 :399. SO 400 /2 =200.

Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket. 25 million 360 SOLD link

Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to. Nintendo has sold more than 30 million Wiis and 90million ds. Microsoft just put out Lips.

There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket. LINK

Also blu-ray player sales are down,too.Link

Your charge that something is a coincindence unless proved otherwise is just as clumsy as some of the statements I made. Until he proves that the economic recession is tied to trends in the industry, it is simply an unknown, not a coincidence.

[QUOTE="JIT93"][QUOTE="dreman999"]

 

We're in a recession and the minimum price for their system is twice as much as their competitors. (Yes, you can get a 360 hdd for $20, so the $199 compression counts)" Fact:Xbox 360 $199, PS3 :399. SO 400 /2 =200.

Microsoft has the hardcore in their pocket. 25 million 360 SOLD link

Nintendo has the casual and Microsoft is after that to. Nintendo has sold more than 30 million Wiis and 90million ds. Microsoft just put out Lips.

There Blu-ray players that are $150 now so the Ps3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player on the maket. LINK

Also blu-ray player sales are down,too.Link

dreman999

My god use common sense, now your just trolling. Less money equal less buying. I give you links and you try to push it off. You have nothing, all I gave where facts.dreman999

You're not exactly helping your argument. Although it seems like common sense, it is not a fact. It is an educated guess. I assumed that you wouldn't pass that off as fact, because its not. It's not a statement of fact until you can show an undeniable link.

You certainly did give facts, but not all of your statements were facts.

Common Sense=Opinion
And I think you mean were*
Do you need me to give you an article on Common Sense :|JIT93

You're certainly right that notions of common sense=opinion. However, I hope you'll admit that your assertion that there were no facts in his post was totally wrong.

[QUOTE="JIT93"]Common Sense=Opinion
And I think you mean were*
Do you need me to give you an article on Common Sense :|Tragic_Kingdom7

You're certainly right that notions of common sense=opinion. However, I hope you'll admit that your assertion that there were no facts in his post was totally wrong.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]My god use common sense, now your just trolling. Less money equal less buying. I give you links and you try to push it off. You have nothing, all I gave where facts.Tragic_Kingdom7

You're not exactly helping your argument. Although it seems like common sense, it is not a fact. It is an educated guess. I assumed that you wouldn't pass that off as fact, because its not. It's not a statement of fact until you can show an undeniable link.

You certainly did give facts, but not all of your statements were facts.