The sad conclusion

Everyone is a noob. Hardcore gammers are a dying breed and it shows in SW. How is the Wii selling so well? Can any real gammer actually defend its line up as good? No. COD4 has become ridiculously popular. I guess i missed the wagon. Online is full of idiots, Rsv2 and H3 have much more strategy and need for skill. I Played COD4 for the first time in months yesterday and i was owning. The game is so shallow, yet it is hailed as the best thing since sliced bread. When I started playing RSV2 again I got my ass kicked. THE GAMING WORLD IS TURING CASUAL! more people would rather play Wii sports than Halo or crisis or rainbow six. The wii has like 3 games that are worth playing, yet its sales are off the charts. The ps3 isnt as bad, but until mgs4 comes out there is absolutely no reason to buy it, but it still sells moderately well. People are purportedly buying it bc of Blu Ray. Xbox 360 has the most/ best games any denying of that is idiotic. Everyone else's sales are just casuals. The sales of COD4 to me is a sin it is a moderate game at best. People act like COD4 created the persistent online character when they ripped it straight from rainbow six.

Ok i know a lot of people who have wii's you can argue with me all you want but the only thing they play is wii sports.

conclusion Wii sports= COD4= everyone is a noob except a few ps fans, lemmings and hermits. Yes i am an elitist and i could kick your ass in any game u wanted to play me in.

Post was too long so didn't bother to read it all.

Seems like a "bad" conclusion

I'm gonna guess what your conclusion is:

Casual gaming > Hardcore gaming.

Everyone is a noob. Hardcore gammers are a dying breed and it shows in SW. How is the Wii selling so well? Can any real gammer actually defend its line up as good? No. COD4 has become ridiculously popular. I guess i missed the wagon. Online is full of idiots, Rsv2 and H3 have much more strategy and need for skill. I Played COD4 for the first time in months yesterday and i was owning. The game is so shallow, yet it is hailed as the best thing since sliced bread. When I started playing RSV2 again I got my ass kicked. THE GAMING WORLD IS TURING CASUAL! more people would rather play Wii sports than Halo or crisis or rainbow six. The wii has like 3 games that are worth playing, yet its sales are off the charts. The ps3 isnt as bad, but until mgs4 comes out there is absolutely no reason to buy it, but it still sells moderately well. People are purportedly buying it bc of Blu Ray. Xbox 360 has the most/ best games any denying of that is idiotic. Everyone else's sales are just casuals. The sales of COD4 to me is a sin it is a moderate game at best. People act like COD4 created the persistent online character when they ripped it straight from rainbow six.

Ok i know a lot of people who have wii's you can argue with me all you want but the only thing they play is wii sports.

conclusion Wii sports= COD4= everyone is a noob except a few ps fans, lemmings and hermits. Yes i am an elitist and i could kick your ass in any game u wanted to play me in.

crazedweasle

so meaning hardcore, all you do is play games? Keep in mind that there is no such thing as a casual gamer. I just use the term to irritate ppl.

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

the only thing I hate more then fanboys are elitists. grow up and accept that you have to share the industry with everyone else.Hewkii

Exactly. If we all lived in his fairy tale world this guy wouldn't have a leg to stand on with 886 posts. Except, y'know, it sounds pretty stupid to call someone a noob based on the number of posts. Either way I hope the TC realises the irony.

THE GAMING WORLD IS TURING CASUAL! more people would rather play Wii sports than Halo or crisis or rainbow six.crazedweasle

Halo, Crysis, and Rainbow Six are also very casual games, my friend. You must not know much of PC gaming.

People act like COD4 created the persistent online character when they ripped it straight from rainbow six.crazedweasle

Rainbow Six was far from the first to do this.

[QUOTE="crazedweasle"]THE GAMING WORLD IS TURING CASUAL! more people would rather play Wii sports than Halo or crisis or rainbow six.CheeChee_Macko

Halo, Crysis, and Rainbow Six are also very casual games, my friend. You must not know much of PC gaming.

And here we have the second so called "harcor3 gam3r" of the thread.

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

ng1234

I've noticed that the ones screaming loudest about being "elitests" and "ultra-hardcore" are usually not that at all, kinda like the people that hate on gays are usually latent homosexuals themselves.

[QUOTE="CheeChee_Macko"]

[QUOTE="crazedweasle"]THE GAMING WORLD IS TURING CASUAL! more people would rather play Wii sports than Halo or crisis or rainbow six.zorbmeister

Halo, Crysis, and Rainbow Six are also very casual games, my friend. You must not know much of PC gaming.

And here we have the second so called "harcor3 gam3r" of the thread.

yes, i think you are better than god. You are the very definition of a hardcore gamer. cause you got a gamerscore of a WHOPPING 5000Always-Honest

You know, for a 'hardcore' elitist, you sure are crying and whining a lot.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]yes, i think you are better than god. You are the very definition of a hardcore gamer. cause you got a gamerscore of a WHOPPING 5000Hockey_Slayer

i don't give a rats *** for achievements, started on the xbox with gears and i have Way more.. lol....

yes, i think you are better than god. You are the very definition of a hardcore gamer. cause you got a gamerscore of a WHOPPING 5000Always-Honest

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]yes, i think you are better than god. You are the very definition of a hardcore gamer. cause you got a gamerscore of a WHOPPING 5000JLF1

yep another teenager that feels ashamed to play anything but games with tough guys and blood... TC you are missing out and withholding yourself from personal growth.,. way to go.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]yes, i think you are better than god. You are the very definition of a hardcore gamer. cause you got a gamerscore of a WHOPPING 5000Hockey_Slayer

Go to pc, there are plenty of "hardcore" games your looking for.. sSubZerOo

same type of games..

[QUOTE="Hockey_Slayer"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]yes, i think you are better than god. You are the very definition of a hardcore gamer. cause you got a gamerscore of a WHOPPING 5000Jandurin

pc users have the best game. if you don't agree, you are a communist! ;)Franko_3

In communist Russia PC games play YOU

Ppl who brg up the argument of "kiddy" games or "casual" games...are probably kiddy and immature themselves. No mature adult would make a ridiculous post without any evidence to back it up. And above all, it's the casual games/ gamer argument. It's sad how ppl try too hard to act mature by avoiding these "casual" games yet they are the ones acting childish themselves. This is just a general statement.eklineage

exactly. someone that is comfortable with himself would never be bothered with this... he would just play the games he likes.

No matter how they look.

Grow up. I'm tired of hearing "teh hardcores" whine about such nonsense as the industry dying. If you really want to consider yourself hardcore, buy a gaming PC, but don't come in here complaining about how casuals are ruining the console market because I hardly consider any games on consoles hardcore.Tiefster

I dunno I like the irony of a console gamer moaning that another console is making console gaming more casual. :D

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

ng1234

I wouldn't even consider Wii Sports casual. More like a gimmick for non-gamers.

Casual gaming can consist of Wii's shovelware or it can consist of GTA, Halo or Madden. Some people get confused about hardcore gaming. Its not just Shooters (actually most shooters appeal to casual gamers). If theres any genre that appeals to hardcore gamers the most it would be fighting games. Mostly because of the combos.

Basically

Casual Gaming = Simple pick up and play games

Hardcore Gaming = Complex games

[QUOTE="eklineage"]Ppl who brg up the argument of "kiddy" games or "casual" games...are probably kiddy and immature themselves. No mature adult would make a ridiculous post without any evidence to back it up. And above all, it's the casual games/ gamer argument. It's sad how ppl try too hard to act mature by avoiding these "casual" games yet they are the ones acting childish themselves. This is just a general statement.Always-Honest

exactly. someone that is comfortable with himself would never be bothered with this... he would just play the games he likes.

No matter how they look.

I guess ppl with these attitudes will have to deal with the fact that the step to maturity is keeping an open view on matters.

[QUOTE="ng1234"]

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

Shadow2k6

I wouldn't even consider Wii Sports casual. More like a gimmick for non-gamers.

Casual gaming can consist of Wii's shovelware or it can consist of GTA, Halo or Madden. Some people get confused about hardcore gaming. Its not just Shooters (actually most shooters appeal to casual gamers). If theres any genre that appeals to hardcore gamers the most it would be fighting games. Mostly because of the combos.

Basically

Casual Gaming = Simple pick up and play games

Hardcore Gaming = Complex games

Disagree, a hardcore game can be easy to pick up, but it may have tons of depth.. Blizzard games are renowned for this.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Go to pc, there are plenty of "hardcore" games your looking for.. Always-Honest

same type of games..

Sid Meier disagrees with you.

[QUOTE="Shadow2k6"][QUOTE="ng1234"]

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

sSubZerOo

I wouldn't even consider Wii Sports casual. More like a gimmick for non-gamers.

Casual gaming can consist of Wii's shovelware or it can consist of GTA, Halo or Madden. Some people get confused about hardcore gaming. Its not just Shooters (actually most shooters appeal to casual gamers). If theres any genre that appeals to hardcore gamers the most it would be fighting games. Mostly because of the combos.

Basically

Casual Gaming = Simple pick up and play games

Hardcore Gaming = Complex games

Disagree, a hardcore game can be easy to pick up, but it may have tons of depth.. Blizzard games are renowned for this.

Surely Hardcore is down to the amount of time and dedication u put into gaming????????

[QUOTE="ng1234"]

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

Shadow2k6

I wouldn't even consider Wii Sports casual. More like a gimmick for non-gamers.

Casual gaming can consist of Wii's shovelware or it can consist of GTA, Halo or Madden. Some people get confused about hardcore gaming. Its not just Shooters (actually most shooters appeal to casual gamers). If theres any genre that appeals to hardcore gamers the most it would be fighting games. Mostly because of the combos.

Basically

Casual Gaming = Simple pick up and play games

Hardcore Gaming = Complex games

complex games like SC:Brood War are easy to pick and play. However in ur definition of hardcore gaming, SC is a very hardcore game. It takes skill to micro all those units.

Surely Hardcore is down to the amount of time and dedication u put into gaming????????

bf2nutta

logically, then, Phoenix Wright wouldn't be "hardcore" becuase it isn't that long of a game yet wouldn't be "casual" either becuase it is complex and in some cases you do have to guess in order to get the correct response.

Everyone is a noob. Hardcore gammers are a dying breed and it shows in SW. How is the Wii selling so well? Can any real gammer actually defend its line up as good? No. COD4 has become ridiculously popular. I guess i missed the wagon. Online is full of idiots, Rsv2 and H3 have much more strategy and need for skill. I Played COD4 for the first time in months yesterday and i was owning. The game is so shallow, yet it is hailed as the best thing since sliced bread. When I started playing RSV2 again I got my ass kicked. THE GAMING WORLD IS TURING CASUAL! more people would rather play Wii sports than Halo or crisis or rainbow six. The wii has like 3 games that are worth playing, yet its sales are off the charts. The ps3 isnt as bad, but until mgs4 comes out there is absolutely no reason to buy it, but it still sells moderately well. People are purportedly buying it bc of Blu Ray. Xbox 360 has the most/ best games any denying of that is idiotic. Everyone else's sales are just casuals. The sales of COD4 to me is a sin it is a moderate game at best. People act like COD4 created the persistent online character when they ripped it straight from rainbow six.

Ok i know a lot of people who have wii's you can argue with me all you want but the only thing they play is wii sports.

conclusion Wii sports= COD4= everyone is a noob except a few ps fans, lemmings and hermits. Yes i am an elitist and i could kick your ass in any game u wanted to play me in.

crazedweasle

1. Because it is targeting the biggest demographic out of all the other consoles.
2. How can any real Gamer Defend it? This is what I own for it.

• No More Hereos
• Super Mario Galaxy
• Zelda TP
• Super Smash Brothers Brawl
• Metroid Prime 3 Corruption

3. Xbox 360 has the most and best games and denying it is idiotic? Guess you never heard of PC.

4. You are elitiest and could kick my ass in any game? Okay well we could play Madden in two weeks or we could play Super Smash Brothers Brawl right now. Either way you won't win.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shadow2k6"][QUOTE="ng1234"]

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

bf2nutta

I wouldn't even consider Wii Sports casual. More like a gimmick for non-gamers.

Casual gaming can consist of Wii's shovelware or it can consist of GTA, Halo or Madden. Some people get confused about hardcore gaming. Its not just Shooters (actually most shooters appeal to casual gamers). If theres any genre that appeals to hardcore gamers the most it would be fighting games. Mostly because of the combos.

Basically

Casual Gaming = Simple pick up and play games

Hardcore Gaming = Complex games

Disagree, a hardcore game can be easy to pick up, but it may have tons of depth.. Blizzard games are renowned for this.

Surely Hardcore is down to the amount of time and dedication u put into gaming????????

That's exactly my interpretation of it.. even though alot of people disagree with me.

Everyone is a noob. Hardcore gammers are a dying breed and it shows in SW. How is the Wii selling so well? Can any real gammer actually defend its line up as good? No. COD4 has become ridiculously popular. I guess i missed the wagon. Online is full of idiots, Rsv2 and H3 have much more strategy and need for skill. I Played COD4 for the first time in months yesterday and i was owning. The game is so shallow, yet it is hailed as the best thing since sliced bread. When I started playing RSV2 again I got my ass kicked. THE GAMING WORLD IS TURING CASUAL! more people would rather play Wii sports than Halo or crisis or rainbow six. The wii has like 3 games that are worth playing, yet its sales are off the charts. The ps3 isnt as bad, but until mgs4 comes out there is absolutely no reason to buy it, but it still sells moderately well. People are purportedly buying it bc of Blu Ray. Xbox 360 has the most/ best games any denying of that is idiotic. Everyone else's sales are just casuals. The sales of COD4 to me is a sin it is a moderate game at best. People act like COD4 created the persistent online character when they ripped it straight from rainbow six.

Ok i know a lot of people who have wii's you can argue with me all you want but the only thing they play is wii sports.

conclusion Wii sports= COD4= everyone is a noob except a few ps fans, lemmings and hermits. Yes i am an elitist and i could kick your ass in any game u wanted to play me in.

crazedweasle

you criticize cod4 yet you praise halo3 --> fail

[QUOTE="Shadow2k6"][QUOTE="ng1234"]

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

sSubZerOo

I wouldn't even consider Wii Sports casual. More like a gimmick for non-gamers.

Casual gaming can consist of Wii's shovelware or it can consist of GTA, Halo or Madden. Some people get confused about hardcore gaming. Its not just Shooters (actually most shooters appeal to casual gamers). If theres any genre that appeals to hardcore gamers the most it would be fighting games. Mostly because of the combos.

Basically

Casual Gaming = Simple pick up and play games

Hardcore Gaming = Complex games

Disagree, a hardcore game can be easy to pick up, but it may have tons of depth.. Blizzard games are renowned for this.

Well look at it like this. A hardcore gamer is someone who plays games a lot (to put it bluntly). A complex game (like a RPG or something) will take time to play. Not something you can pick up play 5 minutes and then leave. LoZ TP is a good example of what a hardcore game is. Yeah if you play any game for a while you can argue its a hardcore game. You can say that about GTA for example.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Go to pc, there are plenty of "hardcore" games your looking for.. CheeChee_Macko

same type of games..

Sid Meier disagrees with you.

Sid Meyer isn't "plenty"

[QUOTE="bf2nutta"]

Surely Hardcore is down to the amount of time and dedication u put into gaming????????

Hewkii

logically, then, Phoenix Wright wouldn't be "hardcore" becuase it isn't that long of a game yet wouldn't be "casual" either becuase it is complex and in some cases you do have to guess in order to get the correct response.

Yeah I got mixed feelings about this there some games that have a cult/core following....... I'll use Rome Total War for the example I think i've played almost 150hrs + on that game.... its not easy and u def can't pick up and play

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Shadow2k6"][QUOTE="ng1234"]

The term casual and hardcore gamer is made up by insecure elitists. Who think they are superior.

Wii-sports > generic shooter number 100383736

Shadow2k6

I wouldn't even consider Wii Sports casual. More like a gimmick for non-gamers.

Casual gaming can consist of Wii's shovelware or it can consist of GTA, Halo or Madden. Some people get confused about hardcore gaming. Its not just Shooters (actually most shooters appeal to casual gamers). If theres any genre that appeals to hardcore gamers the most it would be fighting games. Mostly because of the combos.

Basically

Casual Gaming = Simple pick up and play games

Hardcore Gaming = Complex games

Disagree, a hardcore game can be easy to pick up, but it may have tons of depth.. Blizzard games are renowned for this.

Well look at it like this. A hardcore gamer is someone who plays games a lot (to put it bluntly). A complex game (like a RPG or something) will take time to play. Not something you can pick up play 5 minutes and then leave. LoZ TP is a good example of what a hardcore game is. Yeah if you play any game for a while you can argue its a hardcore game. You can say that about GTA for example.

Diablo 2 disagrees with you.. You can do the exact same thign and play it in short bursts.. But it was an amazingly addictive game with a deep rpg combat system and addictive item system.. A game doesn't need to be easy to pick up to be casual.. It needs to have a lack of depth.. I suppose then by your definition Oblivion is hardcore? When I see it as the exact opposite because it has little to no rpg elements worht mentioning and become sa psuedo adventure game.

[QUOTE="CheeChee_Macko"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Go to pc, there are plenty of "hardcore" games your looking for.. Always-Honest

same type of games..

Sid Meier disagrees with you.

Sid Meyer isn't "plenty"