The SHAMELESS HYPOCRISY surrounding the subject of MOTION CONTROLS

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I'm sorry. It isn't hypocrisy if it's better. The reason many people hated the Wii controls because

A. It didn't work like it was supposed to

B. Most of the games were crap.

Now Sony and MS has the opportunity to completely disappoint their fanbase with weak party games OR dazzle them with some incredible stuff. They haven't squantered the potential of these devices yet so people are excited. I don't blame them.There is also the opportunity to see what more powerful hardware can do with motion controls.

desmondsultanas

[QUOTE="desmondsultanas"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

I'm sorry. It isn't hypocrisy if it's better. The reason many people hated the Wii controls because

A. It didn't work like it was supposed to

B. Most of the games were crap.

Now Sony and MS has the opportunity to completely disappoint their fanbase with weak party games OR dazzle them with some incredible stuff. They haven't squantered the potential of these devices yet so people are excited. I don't blame them.There is also the opportunity to see what more powerful hardware can do with motion controls.

heretrix

If what MS and Sony have come up with were 100% exactly like the Wii's motion controls I'm fairly certain you would see all the same people saying the same negative things about them. The fact is Sony and MS have come up with completely different methods for Motion Control, so to say everyone is a hypocrite if they were negative about Nintendo, but optimistic about Sony and MS is patently false. Besides the fact that Sony and MS have been catering to the core gamers since launch of their perspective systems, whereas Nintendo charged a hefty premium for outdated last gen hardware from launch just because they had motion control that makes this ok? I don't think so. Add to all this the fact that Nintendo has to come up with a new controller that anyone that wants to use will have to buy just like Sony and MS's new products and I think the hypocrisy is coming from the Sheep more than any other group on the board.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]Anyone that didn't think that Motion Controls weren't in Sony and MS future after the Wii decimated them in sales this gen doesn't understand the business or industry. I'm just surprised they started so soon. I thought they would wait till their next systems.hakanakumono

Wtf are you talking about? Nintendo isn't the god of motion control. Sony has already taken what nintendo has done - and made it better. Of course, they have a lot to iron out but at least they're not releasing it premature like with the wii.

"you cant truly win by playing catch up?" Did you think that Sony and Microsoft are trying to reform their consoles into being the wii? That's a misunderstanding. Sony and Microsoft are expanding their console experiences - not shifting them.

I dont see how the ps3 shamelessly copied the wii when they used their tech that was out years before the launch of the wii (eyetoy) and their console also launched with some motion controls.Androvinus

Have you forgotten this thing? The SIXAXIS was an attempt to copy Nintendo right from the start.

i've always been against motion controls, and I won't be for them till I see something worth my time done with them.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="desmondsultanas"]The initial Wiimote technology was the first to be mass produced as Nintendo was first out of the gate and at that time gyroscope technology was still very expensive to produce. Hickups are to be expected from technology in its infancy, but rather than applaud Nintendo for moving in a bold new direction, the industry and fanboys alike basically scoffed at them. Nintendo is also the first company to bring motion controlled games that work damn well like MP3 Corruption. Finally, Wii motion plus works as it was supposed to and it was unveiled last year. Despite positive impressions that it works like it should people still took the same attitude towards Nintendo this past year even though they were clearly making strides to improve their technology which will come free with most Motionplus software (ie; Wii Sports Resort, Red Steel 2 ect.) MS and Sony show a few tech demo's, one of which is basically exactly the same as motion plus (Sony), and the other from MS looks like it will have very limited functionality in terms of many of the different genres of gaming an yet everybody celebrates and is all for motion control all of a sudden? What a joke.desmondsultanas

No they didn't, wii has already been proven to be a fad in Japan. The sales have deflated and now it's competing with the PS3. It's still receiving fad sales in the NA market, however.

HEY

remember Microsoft's Wii-sales-don't-count-cuz-we-are-targeting-different-audiences-ala-they-are-softcore-we-are-hardcore-/we-are-the-market-leader-cuz-only-Sony-counts/WII?-WHAT-WII?-nothing-like-that-exists card they play in the interviews? Have they lost that?

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]I dont see how the ps3 shamelessly copied the wii when they used their tech that was out years before the launch of the wii (eyetoy) and their console also launched with some motion controls.Tylendal

Have you forgotten this thing? The SIXAXIS was an attempt to copy Nintendo right from the start.

Oh, so the sixasis looks like a wiimote?

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]I dont see how the ps3 shamelessly copied the wii when they used their tech that was out years before the launch of the wii (eyetoy) and their console also launched with some motion controls.hakanakumono

Have you forgotten this thing? The SIXAXIS was an attempt to copy Nintendo right from the start.

Oh, so the sixasis looks like a wiimote?

Nope, we get to go back the the SNES era.

[QUOTE="desmondsultanas"][QUOTE="heretrix"]How does anything you typed change what I just said?

hakanakumono

No they didn't, wii has already been proven to be a fad in Japan. The sales have deflated and now it's competing with the PS3. It's still receiving fad sales in the NA market, however.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]I dont see how the ps3 shamelessly copied the wii when they used their tech that was out years before the launch of the wii (eyetoy) and their console also launched with some motion controls.hakanakumono

Have you forgotten this thing? The SIXAXIS was an attempt to copy Nintendo right from the start.

Oh, so the sixasis looks like a wiimote?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Have you forgotten this thing? The SIXAXIS was an attempt to copy Nintendo right from the start.

AntiType

Oh, so the sixasis looks like a wiimote?

Nope, we get to go back the the SNES era.

Nintendo's new control schemes always get copied and I love them for the innovation that they have always brought about. However its two separate issues you are coalescing into one here. "Hardcore" gamers have been annoyed with Nintendo since they announced the specs for the Wii. Motion controls is one thing, but moving backwards or stagnating in the hardware department is the personal beef me and countless others have with Nintendo atm. When you launch hardware with last gen tech that is years behind what PCs and even the other two consoles have, and you charge probably 150$ more from the start than what the hardware is worth what do you expect? People with half a brain to jump up and down in joy at the prospect of the hobby they love going backwards instead of forwards. Add to that the huge focus on causuals from the start of the gen who are not what kept Nintendo in buisness all this time and that my friend is where the main hate for Nintendo comes from, not just from the half-baked near useless motion controls they have.

nosedive7

I agree with you, TC. It's pretty unbelievable how all the sudden motion control is "cool" and "lmao the Wii's motion control is outdated, yada, yada". As for me? I am still not thrilled at all about motion control.carljohnson3456

I have always been anti-motion sensing controls and still am and will always be

i think nintendo had the right idea. Either ship your console with hardware such as this or dont. These things are NOT going to be supported, and cost a hell of alot of money, no one is going to go for it. Its a really stupid idea. They should have waited till next gen for this. Wii motion plus is fine because its only going to cost you like, what 10 extra dollars ontop of a game that you want. But whose going to want to pay 200$ on top of you 300 or 400$ dollar console, just so that you can buy some more games that work with it. Devs arent going to invest money in them because its hard enough to convince third parties to develop exclusives for just the console alone.. now your throwing 200 dollar camera add ons into the mix? forget it its not going to happen

That's how the whole industry works it seems

But yeah Sony are patheticly copying the wii's motion controls

i'm just not too fond of all the kiddie games that use the wii mote. lhughey

why didnt you just say "i dont play the mature games on the wii"

becouse your perents wont let ya? o,o

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="desmondsultanas"]Your post was inaccurate. People were bashing Nintendo for their motion controls before this generation even started calling it the worst idea ever, saying that they were crazy and they'd fall flat on their faces, before even playing these garbage games you speak of "from third parties" as many of Nintendo's efforts were brilliant. 3rd parties never got behind it at all. Everyone dismissed it as a fad. Nintendo proved everybody wrong.desmondsultanas

No they didn't, wii has already been proven to be a fad in Japan. The sales have deflated and now it's competing with the PS3. It's still receiving fad sales in the NA market, however.

I don't believe you. PS3 outsold the wii month after month this year, and only recently did it rise back up.

Rahnyc4: Welcome to the videogame industry.

Snes pad > Genesis pad > Saturn pad

N64 Analog > Playstation Dual analog, Saturn Analog

Playstation ergonomic design > N64 ergonomic design

N64 Rumble > Playstation rumble, Dreamcast Rumble

Playstation controller design > Gamecube controller design, Dreamcast controller design

WElcome to System Wars. Hypocrisy is the norm here, where fanbases do complete 180s on subjects on a weekly basis.Verge_6

It is just like the attitude fanboys have whenever the issue of whether a Sony or Microsoft version of Super Smash Bros. will work. They will quickly dismiss the idea, but if it it becomes a reality, they will quickly flip-flop like a dishonest politician and claim that it is "superior" than Smash Bros.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]WElcome to System Wars. Hypocrisy is the norm here, where fanbases do complete 180s on subjects on a weekly basis.asaph1

It is just like the attitude fanboys have whenever the issue of whether a Sony or Microsoft version of Super Smash Bros. will work. They will quickly dismiss the idea, but if it it becomes a reality, they will quickly flip-flop like a dishonest politician and claim that it is "superior" than Smash Bros.

they suck no matter who is doing it...it looked lame...except i would mos def use them when it comes to navigating the menus and watching dvds.

the mistake for both companies is making this an addon instead of introducing this next gen and just building it into the console.

as is this idea will get no better than half assed support.

[QUOTE="asaph1"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]WElcome to System Wars. Hypocrisy is the norm here, where fanbases do complete 180s on subjects on a weekly basis.princeofshapeir

It is just like the attitude fanboys have whenever the issue of whether a Sony or Microsoft version of Super Smash Bros. will work. They will quickly dismiss the idea, but if it it becomes a reality, they will quickly flip-flop like a dishonest politician and claim that it is "superior" than Smash Bros.

what about sack boy? edit him and stuff

or maylo, they could imagine he had powers :O

I think the real issue wasn't with the idea of motion controls but that the Wii's implementation just sucked. I mean it for the most part it all it really did was replace button presses with jerking the controler. Not really any different just more annoying and less precise. If Wii Motion+ and Sony's wand are true one to one we may get some actual innovation, to say nothing about MS's completely different approach.

I think the real issue wasn't with the idea of motion controls but that the Wii's implementation just sucked. I mean it for the most part it all it really did was replace button presses with jerking the controler. Not really any different just more annoying and less precise. If Wii Motion+ and Sony's wand are true one to one we may get some actual innovation, to say nothing about MS's completely different approach.

TOAO_Cyrus1

FPS where still better with the wiimote pointer,

thats also why i loved metroid prime 3

but i agree on the rest

except the ones that made ya feel really awesome aka no more heroes

used the speaker in a very cool way /as a phone in game

and the ending blows where awesome

The fact is, both natal and sonys motion control is better than wii's motion controls.

With the right games and adapted into HD gaming, then its a whole new world of gaming experience in your room.

This has potential more so for hardcore fans also.

The fact is, both natal and sonys motion control is better than wii's motion controls.

With the right games and adapted into HD gaming, then its a whole new world of gaming experience in your room.

This has potential more so for hardcore fans also.

g0ddyX

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

The fact is, both natal and sonys motion control is better than wii's motion controls.

With the right games and adapted into HD gaming, then its a whole new world of gaming experience in your room.

This has potential more so for hardcore fans also.

lettuceman44

well this is SW, since there are more sony fanboys here, they back up their claims with

"fogic" which is the SW version of fanboysim logic

The fact is, both natal and sonys motion control is better than wii's motion controls.

With the right games and adapted into HD gaming, then its a whole new world of gaming experience in your room.

This has potential more so for hardcore fans also.

g0ddyX

Sony and MS's devices have more potential for Harcore fans? Joke post? Niether one of them even has an anologue attachment, how are you going to move your character the screen? Without an analog you will be confined to mini-games, but maybe that's what Sony and MS wants. I doubt they are making motion controls to entice the hardcore, they want the causals

Also you saying their motion controls are better without and evidence, data, or games to back it up is just a bogus claim based on the marketing hype of their demos. Nothing more.

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

The fact is, both natal and sonys motion control is better than wii's motion controls.

With the right games and adapted into HD gaming, then its a whole new world of gaming experience in your room.

This has potential more so for hardcore fans also.

desmondsultanas

Sony and MS's devices have more potential for Harcore fans? Joke post? Niether one of them even has an anologue attachment, how are you going to move your character the screen? Without an analog you will be confined to mini-games, but maybe that's what Sony and MS wants. I doubt they are making motion controls to entice the hardcore, they want the causals

Also you saying their motion controls are better without and evidence, data, or games to back it up is just a bogus claim based on the marketing hype of their demos. Nothing more.

They demonstrated what their motion control devices can do at this point. Stop trying to invalidate what was shown at E3, you can't just pretend it doesn't exist. It's real.

i always thought motion controls is cool, i just hated the wii games, i would ratehr play gow3 with motion controls then a stupid wii play crap