The sim exchange predicts wii will sell 108 million with SSBB selling 17

[QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]

Wii sales won't stop magically, but they will see sharp decline.

LOL. The Wii is not like the PS2 or PS1.

The PS1 and PS2 were weaker than the N64/GC?XBOX, but they were powerful enough to keep up with them, and even put out games that looked better. Not to mention the PS2/PS1 had by far the best libraries.

Wii sales will slow. It's weakness internally will catch up with it, not to mention it's lineup isn't going to be strong like the PS3's next year even with a couple AAA titles(SSBB).

It will still outsell the XBOX 360, but when it's all said and done it will be behind the PS3.

Ramadear

/Sigh

How is the PS3 which stands at around 6mil consoles worldwide surpass a console that is at 14mil+. Is the Wii going to magically stop selling? People who hate the Wii has been saying its a fad since it came out and that in xxx amount of time people will realize this. But you have to take into consideration that this hasn't happen and that the Wii has been a freight train without its AAA games. People don't buy consoles for next years lineup they buy consoles for the game library it has. Even when PS3 gets next years titles its library will still pale in comparision to the Wii and 360.

And to note, PS1 and PS2 both didn't start with a good library of games. It was over time. Wii's first year looks about the same as PS2 and better than PS1.

The Fact is, the Wii's 2nd year is going to be just like it's first. It's going to have 2 or 3 killer Apps from Nintendo(SSBB, Mario Kart Wii) and mostly crappy third party titles. 3rd Party support hasn't changed much. They've gotten more 3rd party support, but devs still just see it as a way to get make cheap medicore games and profit off that.

The PS1 and PS2 still had potential for later years. They had basically all the 3rd part support in their gens. The Wii is not going to have those things. It's too underpowered and that's why most devs are still putting their big games on the PS3.

Sigh...the PS3 has no big titles. Only a few for 2008. And as for the Wii's 2008 lineup you or anyone else no little about it. From your perspective the Wii is to underpowered compared to the competition. But take a look at the the DS vs PSP war and tell me who is the winner. Clearly the PSP techically destroys the DS, but its not close to selling as well as the DS nor does it have the game library. Why is this?

If what you said makes you feel better about purchasing the PS3 then all the better for you. /Sigh

The PS3 has no big titles? Only a few for 08? LOL, the PS3's 2008 kills the Wii and XBOX 360's combined. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5 are just a few of it's incredible 08 line-up.

It's not from my perspective that the Wii is underpowered, it's a fact that the Wii is underpowered. It's a fact that there's a huge gap in power between the Wii and other consoles.

Power is much more important in Consoles than in handhelds. So stop comparing the two.

The PS3 has no big titles? Only a few for 08? LOL, the PS3's 2008 kills the Wii and XBOX 360's combined. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5 are just a few of it's incredible 08 line-up.

It's not from my perspective that the Wii is underpowered, it's a fact that the Wii is underpowered. It's a fact that there's a huge gap in power between the Wii and other consoles.

Power is much more important in Consoles than in handhelds. So stop comparing the two.

Out_Kast3000

PS3s 2008 list is only a list of titles that accumulated from the system having no games. More than likely FF will slip to 2009 unless you count Japan so you might as well take that off the list. So, thats the only reason why you can talk about a 2008 lineup because the system is basically barren atm. But 3 games won't give the PS3 the edge to take over, but it will only provide burst sales. Plus 3 games don't have anything on systems who already has a entire library backing it. And like I said, no one knows anything about the Wii nor 360 2008 games.

I can guarantee you this, Wii fit will sale better than anything on PS3 and its not even a game. To note I said from your perspective you think the Wii is to underpowered to compete, I wasn't saying that it isn't a fact that its graphically underpowered to the other two systems. Why do I keep mentioning the handheld war? Because both of those systems are archetypes for the the PS3 and DS. Graphics don'win the war sorry man.

If sony want to play the friggin price war game, nintendo could lower the wii tomorrow to $150-100 and bleed sony and M$ to death.

The fact of the matter is wii will always have the price advantage. when they finally manage to keep wiis on shelves the price war will start.

And under $100 is the sweet spot that will mean to lowest income ghetto living trailer trash under the bridge american will be able to afford a wii. wii wins

[QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]The PS3 has no big titles? Only a few for 08? LOL, the PS3's 2008 kills the Wii and XBOX 360's combined. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5 are just a few of it's incredible 08 line-up.

It's not from my perspective that the Wii is underpowered, it's a fact that the Wii is underpowered. It's a fact that there's a huge gap in power between the Wii and other consoles.

Power is much more important in Consoles than in handhelds. So stop comparing the two.

Ramadear

PS3s 2008 list is only a list of titles that accumulated from the system having no games. More than likely FF will slip to 2009 unless you count Japan so you might as well take that off the list. So, thats the only reason why you can talk about a 2008 lineup because the system is basically barren atm. But 3 games won't give the PS3 the edge to take over, but it will only provide burst sales. Plus 3 games don't have anything on systems who already has a entire library backing it. And like I said, no one knows anything about the Wii nor 360 2008 games.

I can guarantee you this, Wii fit will sale better than anything on PS3 and its not even a game. To note I said from your perspective you think the Wii is to underpowered to compete, I wasn't saying that it isn't a fact that its graphically underpowered to the other two systems. Why do I keep mentioning the handheld war? Because both of those systems are archetypes for the the PS3 and DS. Graphics don'win the war sorry man.

Fail just because you think the PS3 doesn't have games.

And what you're doing right now is trying to evade the fact that the 2008 lineup for the PS3 is incredible. Doesn't really matter the reason why, it's incredible.

You think it's only three games? LOL. It's not just them, it's a long list of games. And GT5, FFXIII, MGS4 are three of the most popular video game series' ever btw. so don't ever count them out like they're nothing.

Fail, nobody said that graphics win the war, but they have to be taken into consideration when the Wii is as underpowered as it is. preventing it from getting most of the great 3rd party titles the PS3 can get(Basically 99% of anything coming out on the PS3).

Fail, the handheld war has nothing to do with the Console war. Graphics have never been as important with handhelds like with Consoles. And one of the reasons it is much more important is becuase of the reason I listed above.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]The PS3 has no big titles? Only a few for 08? LOL, the PS3's 2008 kills the Wii and XBOX 360's combined. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5 are just a few of it's incredible 08 line-up.

It's not from my perspective that the Wii is underpowered, it's a fact that the Wii is underpowered. It's a fact that there's a huge gap in power between the Wii and other consoles.

Power is much more important in Consoles than in handhelds. So stop comparing the two.

Out_Kast3000

PS3s 2008 list is only a list of titles that accumulated from the system having no games. More than likely FF will slip to 2009 unless you count Japan so you might as well take that off the list. So, thats the only reason why you can talk about a 2008 lineup because the system is basically barren atm. But 3 games won't give the PS3 the edge to take over, but it will only provide burst sales. Plus 3 games don't have anything on systems who already has a entire library backing it. And like I said, no one knows anything about the Wii nor 360 2008 games.

I can guarantee you this, Wii fit will sale better than anything on PS3 and its not even a game. To note I said from your perspective you think the Wii is to underpowered to compete, I wasn't saying that it isn't a fact that its graphically underpowered to the other two systems. Why do I keep mentioning the handheld war? Because both of those systems are archetypes for the the PS3 and DS. Graphics don'win the war sorry man.

Fail just because you think the PS3 doesn't have games.

And what you're doing right now is trying to evade the fact that the 2008 lineup for the PS3 is incredible. Doesn't really matter the reason why, it's incredible.

You think it's only three games? LOL. It's not just them, it's a long list of games. And GT5, FFXIII, MGS4 are three of the most popular video game series' ever btw. so don't ever count them out like they're nothing.

Fail, nobody said that graphics win the war, but they have to be taken into consideration when the Wii is as underpowered as it is. preventing it from getting most of the great 3rd party titles the PS3 can get(Basically 99% of anything coming out on the PS3).

Fail, the handheld war has nothing to do with the Console war. Graphics have never been as important with handhelds like with Consoles. And one of the reasons it is much more important is becuase of the reason I listed above.

/Sigh

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]MikeE21286

Beacuse that's my opinon....I just don't see it going as long as the other systems without it seeing a replacement system.

All you have to do is look at the price points and get your answer.....I'll elaborate.

Wii starts off at $249....360 $400 and the PS3 at $600. These prices are built for longer lifespans.

The prices of the consoles inevitably drop and by the time you get into like 2009 when you can get a ps3 for like 150-200 and a 360 for probably 150....what are they gonna sell a Wii for $50? I mean honestly.....the Wii will have a new console out before the ps3 and the 360 do which will eat into it's projected sales. That's my opinion.

Hmm, 2007 is almost over, we're basically in 2008..Thus 2009 isnt far off, you're saying in like 1yr and a few months PS3's will cost $150? i honestly dont feel thats going to happen..But lets assume thats the case..Nintendo might be forced to drop the price to $99..Regardless by then there will be enough software to support the Wii..SSBB and the rest will push alota consoles...Maybe even if PS3 steals its thunder the prices of both would be so cheap that people can afford all 3 consoles...Still the Wii might just become like a party console or a secondary console or whatever, or something everyone just wants to experiment with....Remember that the Wii is meant to expand the gaming audience and it can gather sales from entirely new gamers...Those factors can keep Wii sales strong...I think tthe Wii will last long, maxed out i think decent looking games can be made on it..Playable games

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]The PS3 has no big titles? Only a few for 08? LOL, the PS3's 2008 kills the Wii and XBOX 360's combined. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5 are just a few of it's incredible 08 line-up.

It's not from my perspective that the Wii is underpowered, it's a fact that the Wii is underpowered. It's a fact that there's a huge gap in power between the Wii and other consoles.

Power is much more important in Consoles than in handhelds. So stop comparing the two.

Out_Kast3000

PS3s 2008 list is only a list of titles that accumulated from the system having no games. More than likely FF will slip to 2009 unless you count Japan so you might as well take that off the list. So, thats the only reason why you can talk about a 2008 lineup because the system is basically barren atm. But 3 games won't give the PS3 the edge to take over, but it will only provide burst sales. Plus 3 games don't have anything on systems who already has a entire library backing it. And like I said, no one knows anything about the Wii nor 360 2008 games.

I can guarantee you this, Wii fit will sale better than anything on PS3 and its not even a game. To note I said from your perspective you think the Wii is to underpowered to compete, I wasn't saying that it isn't a fact that its graphically underpowered to the other two systems. Why do I keep mentioning the handheld war? Because both of those systems are archetypes for the the PS3 and DS. Graphics don'win the war sorry man.

Fail just because you think the PS3 doesn't have games.

And what you're doing right now is trying to evade the fact that the 2008 lineup for the PS3 is incredible. Doesn't really matter the reason why, it's incredible.

You think it's only three games? LOL. It's not just them, it's a long list of games. And GT5, FFXIII, MGS4 are three of the most popular video game series' ever btw. so don't ever count them out like they're nothing.

Fail, nobody said that graphics win the war, but they have to be taken into consideration when the Wii is as underpowered as it is. preventing it from getting most of the great 3rd party titles the PS3 can get(Basically 99% of anything coming out on the PS3).

Fail, the handheld war has nothing to do with the Console war. Graphics have never been as important with handhelds like with Consoles. And one of the reasons it is much more important is becuase of the reason I listed above.

Name 1 game sony has thats coming in 08, and is as big as halo and smash brothers. and dont say FF that would be 09!

[QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"][QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]The PS3 has no big titles? Only a few for 08? LOL, the PS3's 2008 kills the Wii and XBOX 360's combined. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5 are just a few of it's incredible 08 line-up.

It's not from my perspective that the Wii is underpowered, it's a fact that the Wii is underpowered. It's a fact that there's a huge gap in power between the Wii and other consoles.

Power is much more important in Consoles than in handhelds. So stop comparing the two.

Juice_24

PS3s 2008 list is only a list of titles that accumulated from the system having no games. More than likely FF will slip to 2009 unless you count Japan so you might as well take that off the list. So, thats the only reason why you can talk about a 2008 lineup because the system is basically barren atm. But 3 games won't give the PS3 the edge to take over, but it will only provide burst sales. Plus 3 games don't have anything on systems who already has a entire library backing it. And like I said, no one knows anything about the Wii nor 360 2008 games.

I can guarantee you this, Wii fit will sale better than anything on PS3 and its not even a game. To note I said from your perspective you think the Wii is to underpowered to compete, I wasn't saying that it isn't a fact that its graphically underpowered to the other two systems. Why do I keep mentioning the handheld war? Because both of those systems are archetypes for the the PS3 and DS. Graphics don'win the war sorry man.

Fail just because you think the PS3 doesn't have games.

And what you're doing right now is trying to evade the fact that the 2008 lineup for the PS3 is incredible. Doesn't really matter the reason why, it's incredible.

You think it's only three games? LOL. It's not just them, it's a long list of games. And GT5, FFXIII, MGS4 are three of the most popular video game series' ever btw. so don't ever count them out like they're nothing.

Fail, nobody said that graphics win the war, but they have to be taken into consideration when the Wii is as underpowered as it is. preventing it from getting most of the great 3rd party titles the PS3 can get(Basically 99% of anything coming out on the PS3).

Fail, the handheld war has nothing to do with the Console war. Graphics have never been as important with handhelds like with Consoles. And one of the reasons it is much more important is becuase of the reason I listed above.

Name 1 game sony has thats coming in 08, and is as big as halo and smash brothers. and dont say FF that would be 09!

As it stands, Final Fantasy is an 08 game.

Gran Turismo games have outsold both Halo and Smash Bros.

Yet it doesn't matter because the Playstation brand has never been about one big game, it's been abou multiple AAA titles. MGS4, Tekken, Gran Turismo, LittleBIgPlanet, etc. which all come out in 08.

[QUOTE="Juice_24"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"][QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]The PS3 has no big titles? Only a few for 08? LOL, the PS3's 2008 kills the Wii and XBOX 360's combined. MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5 are just a few of it's incredible 08 line-up.

It's not from my perspective that the Wii is underpowered, it's a fact that the Wii is underpowered. It's a fact that there's a huge gap in power between the Wii and other consoles.

Power is much more important in Consoles than in handhelds. So stop comparing the two.

Out_Kast3000

PS3s 2008 list is only a list of titles that accumulated from the system having no games. More than likely FF will slip to 2009 unless you count Japan so you might as well take that off the list. So, thats the only reason why you can talk about a 2008 lineup because the system is basically barren atm. But 3 games won't give the PS3 the edge to take over, but it will only provide burst sales. Plus 3 games don't have anything on systems who already has a entire library backing it. And like I said, no one knows anything about the Wii nor 360 2008 games.

I can guarantee you this, Wii fit will sale better than anything on PS3 and its not even a game. To note I said from your perspective you think the Wii is to underpowered to compete, I wasn't saying that it isn't a fact that its graphically underpowered to the other two systems. Why do I keep mentioning the handheld war? Because both of those systems are archetypes for the the PS3 and DS. Graphics don'win the war sorry man.

Fail just because you think the PS3 doesn't have games.

And what you're doing right now is trying to evade the fact that the 2008 lineup for the PS3 is incredible. Doesn't really matter the reason why, it's incredible.

You think it's only three games? LOL. It's not just them, it's a long list of games. And GT5, FFXIII, MGS4 are three of the most popular video game series' ever btw. so don't ever count them out like they're nothing.

Fail, nobody said that graphics win the war, but they have to be taken into consideration when the Wii is as underpowered as it is. preventing it from getting most of the great 3rd party titles the PS3 can get(Basically 99% of anything coming out on the PS3).

Fail, the handheld war has nothing to do with the Console war. Graphics have never been as important with handhelds like with Consoles. And one of the reasons it is much more important is becuase of the reason I listed above.

Name 1 game sony has thats coming in 08, and is as big as halo and smash brothers. and dont say FF that would be 09!

As it stands, Final Fantasy is an 08 game.

Gran Turismo games have outsold both Halo and Smash Bros.

Yet it doesn't matter because the Playstation brand has never been about one big game, it's been abou multiple AAA titles. MGS4, Tekken, Gran Turismo, LittleBIgPlanet, etc. which all come out in 08.

do you think GT will out sell brAwl next year with ps3 pbarely having a 7-10 mill user base?

also nintendo has a secret weapon called nintendogs.

sony has thats coming in 08, and is as big as halo and smash brothers. and dont say FF that would be 09!

Juice_24

I can name two. MGS4 and GT5.

SSBM sold about 6 million right, MGS2 sold 7 million. Now Halo 2 sales (which at this point has the most sales for the halo series, until Halo 3 hits 8 million) are 8 million GT3 had 11 million and GT4 had 8.79 million. So yeah I think Sony has games in 08 that are as big as Halo and Super Smash Bros.

About the article, Wii will probably reach 108 million because there are still casuals buying it just for Wii Sports. SSBB probably won't hit 17 million and thats the sad thing. The casuals who are buying a Wii for Wii Sports are probably the type who play video games like once or twice a week and the same people who got the mediocre game Wii Play (extra controller or not) to 6.32 million which is a embarrasement to the industry it itself.

Wow! That is ambitious.

You know, DS could probably reach that and beat it. And just like the Wii, people thought DS was a fad. Who knows? Could happen.

[QUOTE="Juice_24"]

sony has thats coming in 08, and is as big as halo and smash brothers. and dont say FF that would be 09!

Shadow2k6

I can name two. MGS4 and GT5.

SSBM sold about 6 million right, MGS2 sold 7 million. Now Halo 2 sales (which at this point has the most sales for the halo series, until Halo 3 hits 8 million) are 8 million GT3 had 11 million and GT4 had 8.79 million. So yeah I think Sony has games in 08 that are as big as Halo and Super Smash Bros.

About the article, Wii will probably reach 108 million because there are still casuals buying it just for Wii Sports. SSBB probably won't hit 17 million and thats the sad thing. The casuals who are buying a Wii for Wii Sports are probably the type who play video games like once or twice a week and the same people who got the mediocre game Wii Play (extra controller or not) to 6.32 million which is a embarrasement to the industry it itself.

why did you list the best selling metal gear, when ps2 had no competition?

why didnt you list MG3 sales which where 3.7 million?