The Superior Service: Xbox Live vs. PSN

PSN works and gets the job done. Its not quite up there with XBL but its getting there. Honestly all i really care about is being able to play games and XBL not having any problems. Thee are a few problems with live say for instance when im in a party i get dropped from it sometimes. It usually has to do with peoples connection tho. But still I still Prefer XBL over PSN though its only superior by very little, kind of like Uncharted 2 graphics versus gears of war. Uncharted 2 being a nice piece of candy that induces drooling on he floor, where Gears of war 1 or 2 induces WOW that looks good but not quite what Uncharted 2 put on the table. All in all good thread, good to see no one is nerd raging and saying the dude in the video is stupid. LOL!tehHaste

the only difference is that Uncharted looks better than Gears, but costs the SAME.

XBL is slightly better than PSn, but's a difference of FREE and NOT FREE.

are the slight differences worth $5/month??? you tell me:)

[QUOTE="tehHaste"]PSN works and gets the job done. Its not quite up there with XBL but its getting there. Honestly all i really care about is being able to play games and XBL not having any problems. Thee are a few problems with live say for instance when im in a party i get dropped from it sometimes. It usually has to do with peoples connection tho. But still I still Prefer XBL over PSN though its only superior by very little, kind of like Uncharted 2 graphics versus gears of war. Uncharted 2 being a nice piece of candy that induces drooling on he floor, where Gears of war 1 or 2 induces WOW that looks good but not quite what Uncharted 2 put on the table. All in all good thread, good to see no one is nerd raging and saying the dude in the video is stupid. LOL!mztazmz

the only difference is that Uncharted looks better than Gears, but costs the SAME.

XBL is slightly better than PSn, but's a difference of FREE and NOT FREE.

are the slight differences worth $5/month??? you tell me:)

[QUOTE="13C"]

Live has the edge but there almost equal now. Plus psn is free.

Psn premium will kill xbl.

DropTarget

Do you know what irony is? It seems like you don't considering you made this post after writing this:

I am sick of these topics. We have all come to the same conclusion that Xbox Live is a superior service to PSN in ever way. Game over, topic closed, no more questions.

DropTarget

So cause I have to hit a button that takes 2 seconds it makes achivments better? So I guess when PS4 comes and has trophies since the PS3 didint have them at start it still wont be better right. Thats what sounds like your logic. I still dont see what you see about the whole achivment/trophy thing. It didint exist back then so how can you slack it for that and Hitting a button that takesno workwat so ever. I just dont get the problem here. In the end its the same crap.

finalfantasy94

You're focusing solely on achievements/trophies. I'm using it only as an example of the little niggles that permeate PSN. I gave plenty of other example. You can focus on any one of those and you'd still miss my point. It's not any one of these little annoyances that taint PSN. It's all of them taken together that make it clear that Sony didn't think things through.

I think XBL is a better service because it's more consistent / sans those annoyances.

[QUOTE="IDeadlyReconI"]

PSN does have cross game invite, and for community Staff you need to visit the PlayStation Blog.

VoodooHak

You're right. I was copy-n-pasting from older posts I made. Have they fixed the freezing in MW2 when you try to use the cross game invites from the XMB? Have they fixed so that cross-game invites work with RE5, Rainbow Six Vegas and Red Alert?

Playstation Blog is fine and dandy, but not nearly as visible or accessible as MS's offerings. Major Nelson is constantly at industry events and game launches and regularly does fan meet-ups. Stephen Toulouse (StepTo, aka the banhammer of XBL) did a keynote at PAX and has been meeting with different special interest groups to address and educate people about online issues. Trixie organizes the GamerChix. The community developer program helps fan sites with integrating XBL data into their sites. XBL ambassadors are there for XBL newcomers. There are new video bits nearly every single day like Inside Xbox and IGN Strategize. Sorry, managing a community is more than putting up a blog.

I don't own MW2, but I do own CoD Classic and the cross game invites work fine so it may get fixed later on. RSV, RE5, and Red Alert are old games so they may not get the feature. You have to keep in mind PSN was a striped down service when it launched back in 2006. Unlike XBL being feature rich when the X360 Launched. My point with the PlayStation Blog is that they do all that stuff. They have game nights, They have footage from events like CES E3 and PAX. When the MAG Beta was having server problems the devoplers kept you infrom until it was fixed. They also let you have Live chats with devlopers. Not that long ago there was a live chat with Bio Ware. You can access the Blog from the PS3 via web browser. Even if you have a question about a game or a new feature they will anwser your question. With the glitchers in MW2 Sony could ban them, but would that stop them from making a new account and do it again.

Now with the Party Chat everbody bragging about upsets me, because when I got my X360 Pro back in 2005 I could chat with muitple people in Private chat. Then when I got my Refurb X360 Elite in 2009, because the Pro RROD back in late 2006. When I started my new 360 I came to learn that you can't have muitple people in private chat, but you have to use the new party system that requries Gold to use. I think the party system does well in Netflix, but charging for feature that use to be free is BS.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="IDeadlyReconI"]

PSN does have cross game invite, and for community Staff you need to visit the PlayStation Blog.

IDeadlyReconI

You're right. I was copy-n-pasting from older posts I made. Have they fixed the freezing in MW2 when you try to use the cross game invites from the XMB? Have they fixed so that cross-game invites work with RE5, Rainbow Six Vegas and Red Alert?

Playstation Blog is fine and dandy, but not nearly as visible or accessible as MS's offerings. Major Nelson is constantly at industry events and game launches and regularly does fan meet-ups. Stephen Toulouse (StepTo, aka the banhammer of XBL) did a keynote at PAX and has been meeting with different special interest groups to address and educate people about online issues. Trixie organizes the GamerChix. The community developer program helps fan sites with integrating XBL data into their sites. XBL ambassadors are there for XBL newcomers. There are new video bits nearly every single day like Inside Xbox and IGN Strategize. Sorry, managing a community is more than putting up a blog.

I don't own MW2, but I do own CoD Classic and the cross game invites work fine so it may get fixed later on. RSV, RE5, and Red Alert are old games so they may not get the feature. You have to keep in mind PSN was a striped down service when it launched back in 2006. Unlike XBL being feature rich when the X360 Launched. My point with the PlayStation Blog is that they do all that stuff. They have game nights, They have footage from events like CES E3 and PAX. When the MAG Beta was having server problems the devoplers kept you infrom until it was fixed. They also let you have Live chats with devlopers. Not that long ago there was a live chat with Bio Ware. You can access the Blog from the PS3 via web browser. Even if you have a question about a game or a new feature they will anwser your question. With the glitchers in MW2 Sony could ban them, but would that stop them from making a new account and do it again.

Now with the Party Chat everbody bragging about upsets me, because when I got my X360 Pro back in 2005 I could chat with muitple people in Private chat. Then when I got my Refurb X360 Elite in 2009, because the Pro RROD back in late 2006. When I started my new 360 I came to learn that you can't have muitple people in private chat, but you have to use the new party system that requries Gold to use. I think the party system does well in Netflix, but charging for feature that use to be free is BS.

I understand that PSN is adding more features like cross-game invites. That's my point. Sony failed to recognize it as a useful feature. Nor did they build an infrastructure that could be modular and expandable. So you're left with games that may or may not have trophies, may or may not have cross-game invites. How would you know unless you researched. For Xbox Live, it's not even a second thought. ALL games have them, full retail as well as arcade games.

My point with the events wasn't that they don't exist on PSN at all. I'm sure they do. But they're not readily advertised or accessible. How would you know to access the web browser or Home and navigate to it? On XBL, it's in the Spotlight and Community sections. Viewable on boot-up. No need to launch separate apps to find out about them.

As far as MW2 glitching is concerned, if you're correct, you're only pointing out that Sony isn't capable to tracking cheaters. To be fair though, I imagine Sony actually can track them IP, MAC addy or some other means. Either way, Sony either isn't willing to take extra steps or they're not capable of doing so. This only strengthens my argument.

I don't remember ever using private chat pre-NXE. I always thought they took multi-user private chat when the 360 launched. If what you say is true, I agree that it was bad to have taken that away from Silver users. However, that negative is mitigated by the positive of putting in game-launching.

[QUOTE="IDeadlyReconI"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

You're right. I was copy-n-pasting from older posts I made. Have they fixed the freezing in MW2 when you try to use the cross game invites from the XMB? Have they fixed so that cross-game invites work with RE5, Rainbow Six Vegas and Red Alert?

Playstation Blog is fine and dandy, but not nearly as visible or accessible as MS's offerings. Major Nelson is constantly at industry events and game launches and regularly does fan meet-ups. Stephen Toulouse (StepTo, aka the banhammer of XBL) did a keynote at PAX and has been meeting with different special interest groups to address and educate people about online issues. Trixie organizes the GamerChix. The community developer program helps fan sites with integrating XBL data into their sites. XBL ambassadors are there for XBL newcomers. There are new video bits nearly every single day like Inside Xbox and IGN Strategize. Sorry, managing a community is more than putting up a blog.

VoodooHak

I don't own MW2, but I do own CoD Classic and the cross game invites work fine so it may get fixed later on. RSV, RE5, and Red Alert are old games so they may not get the feature. You have to keep in mind PSN was a striped down service when it launched back in 2006. Unlike XBL being feature rich when the X360 Launched. My point with the PlayStation Blog is that they do all that stuff. They have game nights, They have footage from events like CES E3 and PAX. When the MAG Beta was having server problems the devoplers kept you infrom until it was fixed. They also let you have Live chats with devlopers. Not that long ago there was a live chat with Bio Ware. You can access the Blog from the PS3 via web browser. Even if you have a question about a game or a new feature they will anwser your question. With the glitchers in MW2 Sony could ban them, but would that stop them from making a new account and do it again.

Now with the Party Chat everbody bragging about upsets me, because when I got my X360 Pro back in 2005 I could chat with muitple people in Private chat. Then when I got my Refurb X360 Elite in 2009, because the Pro RROD back in late 2006. When I started my new 360 I came to learn that you can't have muitple people in private chat, but you have to use the new party system that requries Gold to use. I think the party system does well in Netflix, but charging for feature that use to be free is BS.

I understand that PSN is adding more features like cross-game invites. That's my point. Sony failed to recognize it as a useful feature. Nor did they build an infrastructure that could be modular and expandable. So you're left with games that may or may not have trophies, may or may not have cross-game invites. How would you know unless you researched. For Xbox Live, it's not even a second thought. ALL games have them, full retail as well as arcade games.

My point with the events wasn't that they don't exist on PSN at all. I'm sure they do. But they're not readily advertised or accessible. How would you know to access the web browser or Home and navigate to it? On XBL, it's in the Spotlight and Community sections. Viewable on boot-up. No need to launch separate apps to find out about them.

As far as MW2 glitching is concerned, if you're correct, you're only pointing out that Sony isn't capable to tracking cheaters. To be fair though, I imagine Sony actually can track them IP, MAC addy or some other means. Either way, Sony either isn't willing to take extra steps or they're not capable of doing so. This only strengthens my argument.

I don't remember ever using private chat pre-NXE. I always thought they took multi-user private chat when the 360 launched. If what you say is true, I agree that it was bad to have taken that away from Silver users. However, that negative is mitigated by the positive of putting in game-launching.

I do agree that the cross game invite should of been there at launch. The point is the feature exist. Now there is way to invite people into an older game, but it's not a user friendly way of doing it. You invite a few of your friends into Home then launch a the game from there, because Home also acts as a game lobby. It's Sony fault for not having these features at launch, but it's the game developers fault for not adding them into there game when the features were released. Yes Sony could ban people IP/Mac Address, but if you know what your doing you could mask or change your IP/MAC then your back in. It's true go find some people with launch 360's they tell you. I want to know what makes XBL so much better then PSN besides Cross Game Chat and a better UI, and don't give more of my friends play it or small features like deleting your achievements. I want a list of useful features.

IDeadlyReconI

Sure, the feature exists, but in a more limited incarnation than the 360's implementation. I'm of the opinion that it IS Sony's fault for not making it mandatory and available on their SDK. MS implemented it at the OS level, not a game-by-game level. No need to start a whole separate (and optional) application like Home to use Party or game-launching features. It just works the moment you're logged in. That and other things are built into the DNA of Xbox Live. No need to worry about some workaround or an extra few steps for this feature, a couple more steps for that feature. On XBL, it just works. That's the kind of consistency and ease-of-use that you're not going to find on a bullet-pointed list of features.

If I log on, I check out the Spotlight and Community sections from the dashboard and see that there's a community playdate with a fan site I've heard about. Hey, there's more cars available for Forza. Click. List of cars and a button to purchase... right from the dash. No need to navigate through the marketplace to get it.

Or maybe I'm perusing the games I've played. Each game I click on, I see a list of dowloads for it..... right from the dash.

Decide to fire up an older game, PGR3, when I get an invite into Borderlands. No need to worry if either game supports cross-game invites. I just hit accept, swap discs and off I go. We're playing a little co-op and I spot a few friends that just popped online. We all join a party and decide we want to play some Left 4 Dead. No worries. We just launch into the game all together. None of us have to start a separate app to party up and go. It just works.

That's how those seemingly little conveniences make a significant difference. That only comes with using the system enough to realize it.

[QUOTE="IDeadlyReconI"]

I do agree that the cross game invite should of been there at launch. The point is the feature exist. Now there is way to invite people into an older game, but it's not a user friendly way of doing it. You invite a few of your friends into Home then launch a the game from there, because Home also acts as a game lobby. It's Sony fault for not having these features at launch, but it's the game developers fault for not adding them into there game when the features were released. Yes Sony could ban people IP/Mac Address, but if you know what your doing you could mask or change your IP/MAC then your back in. It's true go find some people with launch 360's they tell you. I want to know what makes XBL so much better then PSN besides Cross Game Chat and a better UI, and don't give more of my friends play it or small features like deleting your achievements. I want a list of useful features.

VoodooHak

Sure, the feature exists, but in a more limited incarnation than the 360's implementation. I'm of the opinion that it IS Sony's fault for not making it mandatory and available on their SDK. MS implemented it at the OS level, not a game-by-game level. No need to start a whole separate (and optional) application like Home to use Party or game-launching features. It just works the moment you're logged in. That and other things are built into the DNA of Xbox Live. No need to worry about some workaround or an extra few steps for this feature, a couple more steps for that feature. On XBL, it just works. That's the kind of consistency and ease-of-use that you're not going to find on a bullet-pointed list of features.

If I log on, I check out the Spotlight and Community sections from the dashboard and see that there's a community playdate with a fan site I've heard about. Hey, there's more cars available for Forza. Click. List of cars and a button to purchase... right from the dash. No need to navigate through the marketplace to get it.

Or maybe I'm perusing the games I've played. Each game I click on, I see a list of dowloads for it..... right from the dash.

Decide to fire up an older game, PGR3, when I get an invite into Borderlands. No need to worry if either game supports cross-game invites. I just hit accept, swap discs and off I go. We're playing a little co-op and I spot a few friends that just popped online. We all join a party and decide we want to play some Left 4 Dead. No worries. We just launch into the game all together. None of us have to start a separate app to party up and go. It just works.

That's how those seemingly little conveniences make a significant difference. That only comes with using the system enough to realize it.

Now that I think about it there is a App on XMB that is sorta like Community spotlight it's called "Whats New" from there it shows what's new and comming soon to PSN. From there if you see a event you just press start over the picture and it will boot up the game. Now there's PS Store icons under the Video and Game seletions of the XMB well from there you can see new downloads and download them from there with out ever entering the store.

Well as for cross game invites I played a few older games last night it turns out some do. The only flaw I found with it was you can't accept the invite from the XMB you have to accept it from the game menu. For games that don't use invites you can do it from Home it takes longer and kind of anoying, but it gets the job done.

I used XBL last generation, and this generation I used it for about 5 years 2 years for this gen. I know what it has to offer, but when I look at XBL I only see that it is just easier to use and has cross game chat that does not make light years infront of PSN like everbody makes out to be.

Xbox live is far better, not even a question.

They're both the same.
XBL has cross chat though.That's a nice feature.

They're both the same.
XBL has cross chat though.That's a nice feature.

freedomfreak

Outside of cross chat, there are more features on XBL.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

They're both the same.
XBL has cross chat though.That's a nice feature.

shahilsyed

Outside of cross chat, there are more features on XBL.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="shahilsyed"]

Outside of cross chat, there are more features on XBL.

sts106mat

the ability to submit player reviews, the ability to avoid disruptive players, with a quick and easy reporting system. hackers / cheaters are chased down and banned from the service.

This is an old thread by the way. And not one that needs discussing again.

This is an old thread that got bumped I think, anyways that video is outdated and is kinda biased.

The answer to what sevice is superior is niether one, depending on your personal tastes is what makes it "superior" or not. From my perspective from coming from xbox live to PSN I think PSN is superior. Xbox Live has some more features, but I don't think any of those features justify the cost. Sure you can say "t's only 5$ a month", but it really isn't. Hell I could argue the same thing about a Farrie sports car and say "oh it's only 5$ a day, surely you can afford that".

The point is you are paying the full price of a game and you are just paying for access to part of the game that got locked out that you already paid full price for. MS has NO reason to charge you to play online, they don't. I could understand charging for those features, but you don't really have a choice do you? I alos really hate how you have to pay PER person, so if you have other people in your household than you have to pay for them to, wow what a rip off. And the ads should cover whatever cost there is in the first place, sure the ads arn't annoying as you can just scroll over them, but the FACT that they are on there in the first place shows how much MS is taking advantage of it's consumers. The sad thing is that there are people who actually defend this...

So in the end you have to decide if those features like cross game party chat and what not is worth paying for. For me it's not, the ONLY feature I miss from xbox live is the faster updates, but I can live without it. Also you don't have to be a Gold member to those fast updates, so that isn't a Gold feature. I wish MS would just drop the online fee and just charge for that other stuff like Facebook, Party Chat ect... so if the people that want to pay for it can, but the people that don't care about it don't. I think next gen MS is going to surprise people.

All I want to do is buy my game and go play online with it, that's it. And PSN does just that and it works fine. I can play with my friends and have a good time, all without charging me again just to play over my own internet service that I already paid for. Also PSN is open to devs so the Devs can handle their games how they want and give fans what they want, MS on the other hand doesn't do that.

Overall though there is no "wrong" answer here, the above is just my opinion and my views on using both services.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="shahilsyed"]

Outside of cross chat, there are more features on XBL.

sts106mat

the ability to submit player reviews, the ability to avoid disruptive players, with a quick and easy reporting system. hackers / cheaters are chased down and banned from the service.

-like putting a microphone in a box (mute feature isn't in every game)

-having some person write hate letters to me after beating them (this happens on psn)

-xbox insane publishing policy for ganes (the reason why most psn games are steam/psn and xbox games are time exclusive is because of this)

-the fact that I am paying 60$ a year for this.

Makes it suck.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="sts106mat"]

the ability to submit player reviews, the ability to avoid disruptive players, with a quick and easy reporting system. hackers / cheaters are chased down and banned from the service.

sts106mat

Xbox Live is the better service. The downside is that you've got to pay $60 a year to do basically anything with it.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] well if you are ever on the receiving end of a voice message, or you are repeatedly being team killed in a match, just go to recent players, submit player review and "avoid this player" you will never run into them again. if its worse than TK etc, you can file a complaint via the same menu, and it will get reported and dealt with. its a useful feature IMO.sts106mat

Xbox Live, you pay for it so it has to be better.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] in that case, see the face the girl in your sig is pulling, i am doing that exact face right now.sts106mat

well she is about 12 year old, dont you need permission to use her likeness or something, seriously i have no idea who it is, i am off for some reach MP now.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="sts106mat"]

well she is about 12 year old, dont you need permission to use her likeness or something, seriously i have no idea who it is, i am off for some reach MP now.

sts106mat

XBL doesn't have patches for every game they make. That is a huge plus

XBL doesn't have patches for every game they make. That is a huge plus

nhh18

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="sts106mat"]

the ability to submit player reviews, the ability to avoid disruptive players, with a quick and easy reporting system. hackers / cheaters are chased down and banned from the service.

sts106mat

Oh this thread again...

Xbox live>>>> PSN.. nothing new here..

THey are both basicly the same with live having a tiny bit more features that imo aint worth the entry fee.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] No wonder I didn't know about it.ianuilliam

Charging for online is not on (It's not the price, it's the principle).

Xbox is better than psn (by a little), but it costs money and is not worth the cost.

Psn is pretty poor, but it gets the job done.

Steam is better than both so.. yeah (and it's free).

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

XBL doesn't have patches for every game they make. That is a huge plus

freedomfreak

Xbox Live without a doubt. PSN is really rather lacking.

XBOX live is better... a lot... a little... hard to tell. But I own both systems and that difference is enough to make it so I don't use PSN very much or at all anymore.

It's not a question of being vastly superior, it's a question of which one will you use and the better one, no matter how much better, will always win out.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="nhh18"]

XBL doesn't have patches for every game they make. That is a huge plus

delta3074

Has no one else realized this is a zombie thread?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] How?freedomfreak

I think it's the method of how they are updated. PSN updates are a lot more noticeable and annoying. Live updates are still there but not very noticeable imo.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="delta3074"]do you even have to ask? seriously? XBL games work properly online from the get go without a patch, how is that not a plus?commonfate

I think it's the method of how they are updated. PSN updates are a lot more noticeable and annoying. Live updates are still there but not very noticeable imo.