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#51 Shafftehr
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Wow, never thought I'd ever see anyone attack Kojima's attitude. Very odd....

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The guy named his development house, which represents the creative efforts of hundreds of individuals over the years, after himself. That kind of arrogance is rare in the creative community. Why not point it out?

Have you listened to Kojima talk? He's anything but arrogant. It's just for name recognition if you ask me and he's the main talent behind it (Guessing here). Just like all the bands out there that use their name instead of a group name.

I've heard him talk a few times. Thing is, he's got a gig which doesn't require him talking for credit being heaped on him rather than those involved. Who's responsible for Halo? The team. Who's responsible for KOTOR? The team. Who's responsible for MGS? Kojima. Everyone knows it because he's literally slapped his name onto the work of hundreds of people. And yes, there are arrogant musicians out there - a fair number. On the other hand... U2 produces something - it's not Bono's it's U2's. Metallica, The Beatles, Beach Boys, etc etc etc... That's the difference between an artist saying "This is MY work" and "this is OUR work." Kojima is one of those rare developers who actively chose to give the impression that "This is MY work" when it's obviously not. I'm done here in any case. Kojima Productions is, in itself, probably the single most arrogant production house name in gaming. It amazes me that a guy gives himself such a publicity plug and gets away with it without anyone commenting... But, that goes to show the effectiveness of naming it all after himself.
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#52 Shafftehr
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]Debunk what points? All i heard against kojima was "He named his company KOJIMA so hes a douch" thats it. I didint seen not one NOT ONE EXAMPLE of him being a douch. Like I said being the hypocrite you are kills any argument you had.finalfantasy94

That is the example of him being a douche - an incredible act of arrogance in the creative community. "Kojima Productions" has never produced anything that is all Kojima, or even mostly Kojima - it has been the work of hundreds of other artists, programmers, etc. Again, it's a level of arrogance that you don't see from the likes of Clint Eastwood, Miyamato, or John Lennon... But this douche? Damned straight. It's not just any house, it's KOJIMA productions. Reminds me of the big "A MICHAEL BAY FILM" you see on posters, whereas most of the real giants in film have names you have to dig out of the credits...

Yet sid meier has 11 games stamp with his name on the box and you say thats fine? According you your logic he should be a douch too right. Doesint matter if you he made one game from scratch or any other defensense you try to give. Its either yes or no. I dont see the problem with calling it Kojima productions its not like he puts down his team or says its all me. Its just his house thats all.

Perfect example of avoiding obvious distinctions. Sid Meier's team *voted* to have his name on the box. Did Kojima's? Sid chose to name his house otherwise, and his name appeared on the box because his team wanted it there (for a variety of reasons, I'm sure). Can the same be said of Kojima, or did he just name it after himself ro kicks? Last comment.. Thanks for showing a prime example of avoiding obvious distinctions.
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#53 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] The guy named his development house, which represents the creative efforts of hundreds of individuals over the years, after himself. That kind of arrogance is rare in the creative community. Why not point it out?Shafftehr
Have you listened to Kojima talk? He's anything but arrogant. It's just for name recognition if you ask me and he's the main talent behind it (Guessing here). Just like all the bands out there that use their name instead of a group name.

I've heard him talk a few times. Thing is, he's got a gig which doesn't require him talking for credit being heaped on him rather than those involved. Who's responsible for Halo? The team. Who's responsible for KOTOR? The team. Who's responsible for MGS? Kojima. Everyone knows it because he's literally slapped his name onto the work of hundreds of people. And yes, there are arrogant musicians out there - a fair number. On the other hand... U2 produces something - it's not Bono's it's U2's. Metallica, The Beatles, Beach Boys, etc etc etc... That's the difference between an artist saying "This is MY work" and "this is OUR work." Kojima is one of those rare developers who actively chose to give the impression that "This is MY work" when it's obviously not. I'm done here in any case. Kojima Productions is, in itself, probably the single most arrogant production house name in gaming. It amazes me that a guy gives himself such a publicity plug and gets away with it without anyone commenting... But, that goes to show the effectiveness of naming it all after himself.

That's what credits are for. They get their recognition there, like all other teams. What difference does the name of the developer team make? No matter the name, all their names are in the credits.

This is kinda a silly argument against him if you ask me.

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#54 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Have you listened to Kojima talk? He's anything but arrogant. It's just for name recognition if you ask me and he's the main talent behind it (Guessing here). Just like all the bands out there that use their name instead of a group name. Chutebox

I've heard him talk a few times. Thing is, he's got a gig which doesn't require him talking for credit being heaped on him rather than those involved. Who's responsible for Halo? The team. Who's responsible for KOTOR? The team. Who's responsible for MGS? Kojima. Everyone knows it because he's literally slapped his name onto the work of hundreds of people. And yes, there are arrogant musicians out there - a fair number. On the other hand... U2 produces something - it's not Bono's it's U2's. Metallica, The Beatles, Beach Boys, etc etc etc... That's the difference between an artist saying "This is MY work" and "this is OUR work." Kojima is one of those rare developers who actively chose to give the impression that "This is MY work" when it's obviously not. I'm done here in any case. Kojima Productions is, in itself, probably the single most arrogant production house name in gaming. It amazes me that a guy gives himself such a publicity plug and gets away with it without anyone commenting... But, that goes to show the effectiveness of naming it all after himself.

That's what credits are for. They get their recognition there, like all other teams. What difference does the name of the developer team make? No matter the name, all their names are in the credits.

This is kinda a silly argument against him if you ask me.

Like I said hes hating just to hate it seems or proboly he doesint likethegames. I mean he does give cred to his team and its not like he rips people off the credits.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] The guy named his development house, which represents the creative efforts of hundreds of individuals over the years, after himself. That kind of arrogance is rare in the creative community. Why not point it out?Shafftehr
Have you listened to Kojima talk? He's anything but arrogant. It's just for name recognition if you ask me and he's the main talent behind it (Guessing here). Just like all the bands out there that use their name instead of a group name.

I've heard him talk a few times. Thing is, he's got a gig which doesn't require him talking for credit being heaped on him rather than those involved. Who's responsible for Halo? The team. Who's responsible for KOTOR? The team. Who's responsible for MGS? Kojima. Everyone knows it because he's literally slapped his name onto the work of hundreds of people. And yes, there are arrogant musicians out there - a fair number. On the other hand... U2 produces something - it's not Bono's it's U2's. Metallica, The Beatles, Beach Boys, etc etc etc... That's the difference between an artist saying "This is MY work" and "this is OUR work." Kojima is one of those rare developers who actively chose to give the impression that "This is MY work" when it's obviously not. I'm done here in any case. Kojima Productions is, in itself, probably the single most arrogant production house name in gaming. It amazes me that a guy gives himself such a publicity plug and gets away with it without anyone commenting... But, that goes to show the effectiveness of naming it all after himself.

The question i want to know is why do you care so much if his name is on the box? Its not like he is full of himself so why do you really care so much?

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No Kojima? Anyone who has made a career naming his production company after himself, completely stealing the credit from his team, deserves a spot on a list like that. Miyamato and Meier aren't that arrogant, and they actually have a right to be.Shafftehr
So is Tom Clancy, Madden, and the Wendys family for naming the franchise they started after themselves. If Kojima is a douse then they should be too because at least he has a part in his games and company. I never consider a directer a douse for saying a movie they made is there masterpiece, even though there is alot more people working hard on the movie too.
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]No Kojima? Anyone who has made a career naming his production company after himself, completely stealing the credit from his team, deserves a spot on a list like that. Miyamato and Meier aren't that arrogant, and they actually have a right to be.uglyhippos
So is Tom Clancy, Madden, and the Wendys family for naming the franchise they started after themselves. If Kojima is a douse then they should be too because at least he has a part in his games and company. I never consider a directer a douse for saying a movie they made is there masterpiece, even though there is alot more people working hard on the movie too.

Tom Clancy is a Writer so his name has to be on his Books. The reason Tom Clancy's name is on the Video games is because they are based on his books so they have to have Tom Clancy's name their so that their is no confusion over the title of the game. John Madden helped EA make the first Madden game and they decided to name it Madden. When you say Wendys do you mean the Fast Food if so the Founder of Wendy's last name was Thomas he named his Franchise Wendy's after his Daughter or something like that. Also did you read or HearKojima's Speach at GDC he said "The NES Metal Gear games sucked because he had nothing to do with them." I know he was joking but he still shouldn't of said that.

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#58 LittleHands134
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Kojima-sans

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Stopped reading right there. What is wrong with saying "Kojima" ? Whoever wrote that probably isn't Japanese, and it just comes off really stupid.

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#59 sikanderahmed
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itagaki and kojima should be in the list, 2 dorks who think they are better then everyone

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[QUOTE="uglyhippos"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"]No Kojima? Anyone who has made a career naming his production company after himself, completely stealing the credit from his team, deserves a spot on a list like that. Miyamato and Meier aren't that arrogant, and they actually have a right to be.Nintendo_Ownes7

So is Tom Clancy, Madden, and the Wendys family for naming the franchise they started after themselves. If Kojima is a douse then they should be too because at least he has a part in his games and company. I never consider a directer a douse for saying a movie they made is there masterpiece, even though there is alot more people working hard on the movie too.

Tom Clancy is a Writer so his name has to be on his Books. The reason Tom Clancy's name is on the Video games is because they are based on his books so they have to have Tom Clancy's name their so that their is no confusion over the title of the game. John Madden helped EA make the first Madden game and they decided to name it Madden. When you say Wendys do you mean the Fast Food if so the Founder of Wendy's last name was Thomas he named his Franchise Wendy's after his Daughter or something like that. Also did you read or HearKojima's Speach at GDC he said "The NES Metal Gear games sucked because he had nothing to do with them." I know he was joking but he still shouldn't of said that.

No they sucked because they werent the same games. THe real version of the games were the MSX versions. The first MG for nes stood a little bit more true to the MSX orginal design but with some difference like taking out metal gear from the game. Part 2 for the nes version was in no way the same game at all. It was a totally different game and had nothing to do with the lore of the series. Basicly both versions were fake version.

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Ehh, didn't find that very funny.AAllxxjjnn
I loled at Dyack LMAO. But he's not a douche bag. He just loves his games and his job! I have nothing against anyone on the list. They're cool in my book.
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="uglyhippos"] So is Tom Clancy, Madden, and the Wendys family for naming the franchise they started after themselves. If Kojima is a douse then they should be too because at least he has a part in his games and company. I never consider a directer a douse for saying a movie they made is there masterpiece, even though there is alot more people working hard on the movie too. finalfantasy94

Tom Clancy is a Writer so his name has to be on his Books. The reason Tom Clancy's name is on the Video games is because they are based on his books so they have to have Tom Clancy's name their so that their is no confusion over the title of the game. John Madden helped EA make the first Madden game and they decided to name it Madden. When you say Wendys do you mean the Fast Food if so the Founder of Wendy's last name was Thomas he named his Franchise Wendy's after his Daughter or something like that. Also did you read or HearKojima's Speach at GDC he said "The NES Metal Gear games sucked because he had nothing to do with them." I know he was joking but he still shouldn't of said that.

No they sucked because they werent the same games. THe real version of the games were the MSX versions. The first MG for nes stood a little bit more true to the MSX orginal design but with some difference like taking out metal gear from the game. Part 2 for the nes version was in no way the same game at all. It was a totally different game and had nothing to do with the lore of the series. Basicly both versions were fake version.

I agree with what your saying I was just listing something Kojima said that could make people think he was a Douche.

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#64 skrat_01
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Its not that funny TBH. Otherwise Jeremy (teh pwnerer) and Fatal1ty aren't exactly symbols of 'the industry'....

Anyway, 'Teh Pwnerer' is supposed to be a paradody of the stereotypical obnoxious gamer - and he does an awesome job of it.
All the 'sayings' were there before hand, he just happened to turn them into a bigger joke.

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If anything the writer/s of the article are douches tbh.

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#65 skrat_01
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Actually.... Where the HELL is John Romereo? Cmon people...
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#66 jasonharris48
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David Jaffe should be in here

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I agree and also the dude that use to head of Team Ninja should be in the list.

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#67 shutdown_202
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For me its pretty much the whole EPIC team.

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#68 clembo1990
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What a list. I would have put CliffyB a bit higher and added some of the sony staff for ******* up the PS3.
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I didnt think the PWNER was a douch bag, Hes pretty funny.
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Also, you're an idiot. Not everyone who doesn't come on GameSpot isn't a complete moron. People do know who developed their games. You don't need to spend your entire life on GameSpot to know that Miyamoto "created" Zelda and Mario.RobNBankz
One time I said Miyamoto's name and the people around me said "Who" and I said you know the guy who created Super Mario Bros., Legend of Zelda, and Star Fox. Well he came up with the Idea for the game he didn't make it all by himself.

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"Kojima Productions".. Oh come on. How many developers name their development house after themselves :lol:Shafftehr
Devs? Not a lot, Sid Meier comes to mind, but that's it probably. Still do you honestly believe that just because he's calling it kojima productions means that he's arrogant? I don't know in which line of work you're from, but in my line of work it's extremely common for the founders to name the company after themselves.
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#74 Gamingcucumber
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Where is the creatir of Ninja Gaiden and David Jaffe? In fact I would put Jaffe twice on that list and make it a top10.
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When an article has more typos than most forum posts it's hard to take it too seriously.
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] "Kojima Productions".. Oh come on. How many developers name their development house after themselves :lol:_Pedro_
Devs? Not a lot, Sid Meier comes to mind, but that's it probably. Still do you honestly believe that just because he's calling it kojima productions means that he's arrogant? I don't know in which line of work you're from, but in my line of work it's extremely common for the founders to name the company after themselves.

Sid Meier's company isn't named after him his company is named Firaxis.

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While not even in the distance of gaming biggest *******, I still think Hideo Kojima is one.

Maybe it's just a lost in translation thing, but in most of the interviews I've read with him he tries to come off sincere but fails miserably. That along with "A Hideo Kojima Game"; even on "Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes", it says "Produced by Hideo Kojima". All I know is I don't see "A Shigeru Miyamoto Game" under the the title of Super Mario Galaxy.

Lastly, I don't think he makes nearly as good of games as some claim. The original "Metal Gear Solid" deserves all the praise it gets, but the sequels that followed were shadows of that game. As they went along, the story just got more convoluted. Kojima needs to learn that he isn't Stanley Kubrick and realize that he makes video games for people to play, not watch. His dialogue is convoluted and his direction has characters take unnecessary pauses, he needs to take a page out of George Lucas's handbook and have his stories flow "faster, more intense".

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#78 DaBrainz
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The author forgot to add himself to the list. Anybody that would go to such lengths to make himself feel superior to others is in fact theking of douche bagginess.

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no krazy Kaz hirai? or Arrogant Aaron greenberg? damn I gave them the top spot just for sheer company spin BS.
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hehe.. nice one.. so true for 1 & 3
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#81 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

I can't see Kaz Hirai on that list.

There again, he's too hilarious to get angry with.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Same with Krazy Ken Kutaragi.

Krazy Ken "Kitty" Kutaragi took Douchebaggery so far, that he became awesome and an instant legend :P
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The original "Metal Gear Solid" deserves all the praise it gets, but the sequels that followed were shadows of that game. As they went along, the story just got more convoluted. Kojima needs to learn that he isn't Stanley Kubrick and realize that he makes video games for people to play, not watch. His dialogue is convoluted and his direction has characters take unnecessary pauses, he needs to take a page out of George Lucas's handbook and have his stories flow "faster, more intense".

Rick_Henderson

I'll be honest, I never liked a MGS game, but many people love his games and if people like to watch/play his games than it's fine right? and let's be honest, there aren't that many Stanley Kubricks/George Lucas in the entire entertainment industry.

Sid Meier's company isn't named after him his company is named Firaxis.

Nintendo_Ownes7

yeah I thought he was a one man team back when he first developed Civlization. Guess I was wrong.

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Theres a couple I agree with there, but some big omissions. Looks almost like author has a slight slant he was trying to promote ;)