The Wii is truly the most tragic games console I have ever seen. It's unique controls could have made it the greatest game console this generation, but it is lacking in several key areas:

I. Power- This is the most obvious issue (not nearlythe most important, as gameplay> graphics). The Wii, despite its unique controllers, is leaps and bounds behind the 360 and PS3 in terms of graphical horsepower, meaning that many games that could benefit from motion control, (like GTA IV and RE5), cannot be ported to it. This is a shame seeing as how the Wii could have the edge on many multiplats do due it's control setup. RE4 Wii proved that ports can be done right, but it was a last gen game. It is rather unfortuante that RE5 (along with many other potentially great Wii games)will not be on this system.

II. Online- The biggest problem with the Wii's online gaming is that, well, there really isn't any. The only game that supports online is Pokemon Battle Revolution, and that game has absolutely failed critically. Also, the die hard pokemon fans that buy the game will find, according to IGN, that the game has trouble connecting to the Wi-fi system to find a match. Nintendo promised online, but so far it just hasn't happened. SSBB might change that, but it's a shame that it will have taken Nintendo a year to get up one decent online title, when PS3 and 360's online is up and running dozens of games, and hundreds of thousands ofmatches daily. The fact that MP3 lacks multiplayer will not help this trend.

III. Lack ofthird party support- The top 3 of the top 5 ratedWii games onGamerankings are first party games. The highest rated third party Wii game is Madden NFL 07 which carries a decent rating of 81.6 %.

IV. Lack of quality titles-The Wii has a total of 6 games that managed to break the 80% rating barrier, and one that broke the 90% barrier (Zelda TP),whereas the Xbox 360 has 6 games that broke the 90% barrier, and 49 games that broke the 80% barrier. The PS3 is slighty ahead of the Wii in the games department, with 10 games that broke 80% and and 1 game that broke 90%.

Unless the Wii gets 49 80%+ games and 5 90%+ games this year, it will remain behind the Xbox 360 in the games department.

V. Controllers hinder ports-The unique Wiicontrollercauses troublewith 3rd party games meant for all the consoles. The PS3 and Xbox 360 both still use controllers very similar to their predecessors, which mean that most basic console games, such as sports games and adventure/action games will still follow old controls and gameplay styling. Because of this predicament, many games will not be ported to the Wii. Even if the games do make their way to the console, there is still the strong possibility that careless developers and financial limitations will create awful controls for ports (Like Call of Duty 3, or Spider Man 3).

Developers and gamers are still having a hard time to work out fluid gameplay and the camera at the same time. People need to watch out for a few important aspects for the controller at the same time: motion sensory, camera, and controls. This will most likely be a problem with most non-exclusive 3rd party titles for the first and second generation titles, meaning all of 2007 and most of 2008.

Unfortunately, many of the above issues are due directly to hardware issues, meaning that Nintendo gamers will have to put up with a lot of these problems for the entire generation. Obviously, developers are going to learn to use the hardware better and the games willbegin to become higher in quality, but we probably won't start seeing high quality third party ports until 2008+.

And nothing will change the fact that the Wii simply cannot handle some ports graphically without changing the entire game, like we saw with Spiderman 3.

And the biggest problem of all for hardcore gamers: Sales.

Casual gamers have justified Nintendo releasing their system by purchasing tons of units. Don't get me wrong, the Wii is a sales phenomenon, only the hardest of haters could deny that. The Wii will outsell 360 and PS3 byholiday 2008, if not before.

But the question is this: If Nintendo can sell so many units to casuals and non-gamers even with the aforementioned issues, what's to stop them from abandoning the hardcore gaming market altogether? What if their next system is an underpowered one, that appeals to casuals with a friendly price and gimmicky mini-games? How soon before the onlydeepgames are first party ones? How soon before those titles get placed on the backburner in favor of Cooking Mama and mini-game collections?
After all, if the bread and butter of the Wii's sales are casuals and non-gamers, why does Nintendo need you?

Overall the Wii represents a golden financial oppurtunity for Nintendo... and a horrible tragedy for the gamers that made the company what it is.

Would you stop posting all this Wii hating garbage. NATATO

Read my post please, good sir. I think you will find it logical and well thought out. There is no hate here.

[QUOTE="NATATO"]Would you stop posting all this Wii hating garbage. jetthrovegas

Read my post please, good sir. I think you will find it logical and well thought out. There is no hate here.

interesting readHeil68

Thank you for actually reading it. Natato accused me of Wii-hate the second the thread was posted.

Tragically outselling every console in existence. -_-"

If that's what you mean. :)

Tragically outselling every console in existence. -_-"

If that's what you mean. :)

Mfals

That's exactly what I mean. Read the OP.

tragic like ps3 saleswannweed

[QUOTE="Mfals"]

Tragically outselling every console in existence. -_-"

If that's what you mean. :)

jetthrovegas

That's exactly what I mean. Read the OP.

ooh I thought this was one of those Mindless Wii bashing Threads.

Carry on good sir.8)

Yeah I wish wii was more powerful but then it'll be 300-400$

The only reason i got a wii is for the exclusives. my 360 is for the 3rd party titles. And Natato i love your lion flash loop :)bongo_man47

Right, but 3rd party titles could have benefited from motion control right? GTA IV with motion sensing?

interesting readHeil68

Agreed.

[QUOTE="wannweed"]tragic like ps3 salesTnasty11

The Wii is truly the most tragic games console I have ever seen. It's unique controls could have made it the greatest game console this generation, but it is lacking in several key areas:

I. Power- This is the most obvious issue (not nearlythe most important, as gameplay> graphics). The Wii, despite its unique controllers, is leaps and bounds behind the 360 and PS3 in terms of graphical horsepower, meaning that many games that could benefit from motion control, (like GTA IV and RE5), cannot be ported to it. This is a shame seeing as how the Wii could have the edge on many multiplats do due it's control setup. RE4 Wii proved that ports can be done right, but it was a last gen game. It is rather unfortuante that RE5 (along with many other potentially great Wii games)will not be on this system.

Nintendo has said they weren't going for power. Wii let's me play games. Lower graphics? Yes, but if your not a graphics whore it can easily be lived with.

II. Online- The biggest problem with the Wii's online gaming is that, well, there really isn't any. The only game that supports online is Pokemon Battle Revolution, and that game has absolutely failed critically. Also, the die hard pokemon fans that buy the game will find, according to IGN, that the game has trouble connecting to the Wi-fi system to find a match. Nintendo promised online, but so far it just hasn't happened. SSBB might change that, but it's a shame that it will have taken Nintendo a year to get up one decent online title, when PS3 and 360's online is up and running dozens of games, and hundreds of thousands ofmatches daily. The fact that MP3 lacks multiplayer will not help this trend.

And ps3 's online is so much better right? Let's wait till SSBB comes out before we talk.

III. Lack ofthird party support- The top 3 of the top 5 ratedWii games onGamerankings are first party games. The highest rated third party Wii game is Madden NFL 07 which carries a decent rating of 81.6 %.

Hmmm. Sales = 3rd party support. Maybe you should read atricles like

Report: Japanese publishers switching over to Wii

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173230.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatured&tag=featurednews;title;1

IV. Lack of quality titles-The Wii has a total of 6 games that managed to break the 80% rating barrier, and one that broke the 90% barrier (Zelda TP),whereas the Xbox 360 has 6 games that broke the 90% barrier, and 49 games that broke the 80% barrier. The PS3 is slighty ahead of the Wii in the games department, with 10 games that broke 80% and and 1 game that broke 90%.

Where the hell did you get this? Wii has the most AAAs of 2007 thus far (Wario Ware and Res Evil) this is GS. Not game rankings

Unless the Wii gets 49 80%+ games and 5 90%+ games this year, it will remain behind the Xbox 360 in the games department.

V. Controllers hinder ports-The unique Wiicontrollercauses troublewith 3rd party games meant for all the consoles. The PS3 and Xbox 360 both still use controllers very similar to their predecessors, which mean that most basic console games, such as sports games and adventure/action games will still follow old controls and gameplay styling. Because of this predicament, many games will not be ported to the Wii. Even if the games do make their way to the console, there is still the strong possibility that careless developers and financial limitations will create awful controls for ports (Like Call of Duty 3, or Spider Man 3).

How bout Madden? Best sports game of 2006 because of WII CONTROLS

Developers and gamers are still having a hard time to work out fluid gameplay and the camera at the same time. People need to watch out for a few important aspects for the controller at the same time: motion sensory, camera, and controls. This will most likely be a problem with most non-exclusive 3rd party titles for the first and second generation titles, meaning all of 2007 and most of 2008.

Unfortunately, many of the above issues are due directly to hardware issues, meaning that Nintendo gamers will have to put up with a lot of these problems for the entire generation. Obviously, developers are going to learn to use the hardware better and the games willbegin to become higher in quality, but we probably won't start seeing high quality third party ports until 2008+.

And nothing will change the fact that the Wii simply cannot handle some ports graphically without changing the entire game, like we saw with Spiderman 3.

And the biggest problem of all for hardcore gamers: Sales.

Casual gamers have justified Nintendo releasing their system by purchasing tons of units. Don't get me wrong, the Wii is a sales phenomenon, only the hardest of haters could deny that. The Wii will outsell 360 and PS3 byholiday 2008, if not before.

But the question is this: If Nintendo can sell so many units to casuals and non-gamers even with the aforementioned issues, what's to stop them from abandoning the hardcore gaming market altogether? What if their next system is an underpowered one, that appeals to casuals with a friendly price and gimmicky mini-games? How soon before the onlydeepgames are first party ones? How soon before those titles get placed on the backburner in favor of Cooking Mama and mini-game collections?
After all, if the bread and butter of the Wii's sales are casuals and non-gamers, why does Nintendo need you?

Overall the Wii represents a golden financial oppurtunity for Nintendo... and a horrible tragedy for the gamers that made the company what it is.

Res Evil, Zelda TP, SSBB, SMG, and MP3 are all hardcore in my book. Casual games like Wario Ware can be fun as hell to play. Maybe you should try it some time before you say **** like "casuals are killing gaming"

jetthrovegas

There's no denying the Wii lacks power but for online, you should mentionBatallion Wars 2 or even Madden 08. For the lack of third parties, they're just focusing their attention to the Wii. You'll notice that there are game announcements constantly for Wii.

Lack of quality games? True. At the moment anyway. There's not much to play except Zelda, Super Paper Mario, or few other games. I'm personally tired of this cooking mama trash and Mario Party rehash.

As for the controls hinder ports? Partially true. It all depends on who's porting it. If it's Ubisoft...well thathasn't turned out great. But devs like EA seem to be decent with ports.That's why I'm saying screw ports. Bring in more exclusives and less ports. Just port more important and quality titles and spend some time on the controls. If there are more exclusives, then there's more reason to get the other consoles.

For the most part, you're right. Nintendo is benefiting from it though, there are lots of games that are coming, and online is just getting developed. It's not a tragedy really. It has flaws but that's the same as any console.

I stopped reading after Thrd Party and No online support.

The Wii online has just started, not even a year after the system debuted. And in another year the Wii will have nore third party support than any system considering most of the major third party developers have stated their intention to focus on the Wii.

So basically You don't know what your talking about

1. yes we know it's the weakest. power hasn't stopped devs from making great games last gen. i don't see why they can't make great games for the wii this gen.

2. It's already out but just not in the US. i'm disappointed at how long this is taking as well.

3. I've sen several articles about publishers shifting resources to the wii. but great games aren't created in a day or a month. sadly we'll have to wait for 3rd party to really prove themselves.

4. similar to 3. they did a quick port to cash in on the wii success. while they make real games for the wii (which takes time)

5. The controller is why most ppl will buy a wii. but just like the switch from 2d to 3d most first attempts will not be great. although i've seem enough for me to say that devs are starting to get it.

you question is a little silly. the only thing that they are directly in charge of is online and as i've stated that's already working in other regions. as for hardcore, nintendo will keep making it's games. some are hardcore but many are for everyone. that's been true for past nintendo consoles as well. it's 3rd party that usually appeals to the hardcore more on nintendo consoles. (which i addressed is coming as well)

But we all know that Wii is not meant to be a Graphical Powerhouse.

Thus the reason why it's selling so well at the low low price of 250 compared to the other monsters.

I stopped reading after Thrd Party and No online support.

The Wii online has just started, not even a year after the system debuted. And in another year the Wii will have nore third party support than any system considering most of the major third party developers have stated their intention to focus on the Wii.

So basically You don't know what your talking about

Nuck81

1.PS3 online just started and they have none of the Wii's issues.

2.I do know what I am talking about:

Fact- The Wii has one game that supports online.

Fact- The Wii, as of now, has very lackluster third party support, with Madden NFl 07 being its highest rated at 81.6%

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

I stopped reading after Thrd Party and No online support.

The Wii online has just started, not even a year after the system debuted. And in another year the Wii will have nore third party support than any system considering most of the major third party developers have stated their intention to focus on the Wii.

So basically You don't know what your talking about

jetthrovegas

1.PS3 online just started and they have none of the Wii's issues.

2.I do know what I am talking about:

Fact- The Wii has one game that supports online.

Fact- The Wii, as of now, has very lackluster third party support, with Madden NFl 07 being its highest rated at 81.6%

Would you stop going by game rankings. You're on the GS FORUMS, then you will use GS SCORES.

Point V IMHO is the best reason, and not to mention number one reason I bought the Wii. I don't care about ports, I want more new games from companies, and so far it looks like many devs are making more effort this time around.

About the power issue, yeah.. it's a bummer, but we'll see how crucial it becomes in Wii games in general. I have my 360, and frankly I'm glad I own two consoles with different ideas. I think the Wii will be a great secondary console to compliment the "high-tech" next-gen system.

Also, the thing about ratings is they never truly matter. Hollywood films that are critically acclaimed flop many times, and crap like Happy Feet get big bucks at the box office. (Another example is "The Da Vinci Code" ) Ratings truly mean nothing to the public, that's all I can say. So if we talk about sales, then ratings don't matter. IF you wanna go into quality... frnakly an "A" game is good to me and I find myself disagreeing with reviews from time-to-time.

Though, a tragic system? Not so IMO.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

I stopped reading after Thrd Party and No online support.

The Wii online has just started, not even a year after the system debuted. And in another year the Wii will have nore third party support than any system considering most of the major third party developers have stated their intention to focus on the Wii.

So basically You don't know what your talking about

jetthrovegas

1.PS3 online just started and they have none of the Wii's issues.

2.I do know what I am talking about:

Fact- The Wii has one game that supports online.

Fact- The Wii, as of now, has very lackluster third party support, with Madden NFl 07 being its highest rated at 81.6%

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]

I stopped reading after Thrd Party and No online support.

The Wii online has just started, not even a year after the system debuted. And in another year the Wii will have nore third party support than any system considering most of the major third party developers have stated their intention to focus on the Wii.

So basically You don't know what your talking about

NATATO

1.PS3 online just started and they have none of the Wii's issues.

2.I do know what I am talking about:

Fact- The Wii has one game that supports online.

Fact- The Wii, as of now, has very lackluster third party support, with Madden NFl 07 being its highest rated at 81.6%

Would you stop going by game rankings. You're on the GS FORUMS, then you will use GS SCORES.

I will not go soley by GS scores. Not after the 8.8. Gamerankings is a far better indicator.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

I stopped reading after Thrd Party and No online support.

The Wii online has just started, not even a year after the system debuted. And in another year the Wii will have nore third party support than any system considering most of the major third party developers have stated their intention to focus on the Wii.

So basically You don't know what your talking about

jetthrovegas

1.PS3 online just started and they have none of the Wii's issues.

2.I do know what I am talking about:

Fact- The Wii has one game that supports online.

Fact- The Wii, as of now, has very lackluster third party support, with Madden NFl 07 being its highest rated at 81.6%

2 games... Pokemon and Mario Strikers... Don't ignore the UK people browsing these same boards (1 forums for all gamespot sites)

And RE4 is the highest rated third party game ATM...

other points:

I'd probably just put III and IV together... There is a lot of third party support, but so far it's been relatively lackluster... However, we're very, very close to E3 and we should see some tangible evidence about whether or not the Wii's game linup for third parties will be any good...

Hating on the Wii = POINTLESS

The Wii is a hit. Get over it. People don't buy it because it sucks. They buy it because it's good.

the controller was a dumb idea.

i dont want to wave a controller in the air to play games.

and the graphics stink.

the controller was a dumb idea.

i dont want to wave a controller in the air to play games.

and the graphics stink.

tree-branch

That is ridiculous and uncessary. The controller was a great idea, I just wish 3rd parties would learn how to work with it.

And the graphics do not "stink" by anyones measure, it simply upsets me that GTA IV and other games cannot take advantage of the Wii's wonderful controllers due to hardware limitations.

the controller was a dumb idea.

i dont want to wave a controller in the air to play games.

and the graphics stink.

tree-branch

the controller most similar to the mouse when it can out. i bet you don't want to move your hand across the desk either :roll:

the controller was a dumb idea.

i dont want to wave a controller in the air to play games.

and the graphics stink.

tree-branch

[QUOTE="tree-branch"]

the controller was a dumb idea.

i dont want to wave a controller in the air to play games.

and the graphics stink.

jetthrovegas

That is ridiculous and uncessary. The controller was a great idea, I just wish 3rd parties would learn how to work with it.

And the graphics do not "stink" by anyones measure, it simply upsets me that GTA IV and other games cannot take advantage of the Wii's wonderful controllers due to hardware limitations.

[QUOTE="tree-branch"]

the controller was a dumb idea.

i dont want to wave a controller in the air to play games.

and the graphics stink.

ithilgore2006

Ignore tree-branch. No matter what you do or say, Tree-branch will always say the 360 is better at everything... Even better at being a handheld...

[QUOTE=jetthrovegas]Let's face it: This thread fails. I don't like the Wii, but the way you presented your argument against it was so half-hearted and lazy that one wonders if you are just flamebaiting.

[QUOTE=jetthrovegas]Wii is not crap. Wii is 250$ crap.

Both taken from the same thread, "Face it. The Wii is crap."

As you can see, the TC is either a hypocrite, has a bad short-term memory, is a fakeboy, all of the above, or some of the above.

So, how long until you blow up in this thread?

Hating on the Wii = POINTLESS

The Wii is a hit. Get over it. People don't buy it because it sucks. They buy it because it's good.

i_like_pizza

I'm not hating on the Wii, I am stating some current flaws with its hardware and its software library.

And the "high sales equals good" theory is not always correct. Some of the best games and products in the world are overlooked in favor of garbage (ie, Psychonauts vs. Madden).

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Let's face it: This thread fails. I don't like the Wii, but the way you presented your argument against it was so half-hearted and lazy that one wonders if you are just flamebaiting.Tsug_Ze_Wind

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Wii is not crap. Wii is 250$ crap.

Both taken from the same thread, "Face it. The Wii is crap."

As you can see, the TC is either a hypocrite, has a bad short-term memory, is a fakeboy, all of the above, or some of the above.

So, how long until you blow up in this thread?

I am neither a hypocrite nor am I a fakeboy. And my memory is perfect. I did indeed say the above things and I make no apology for them. I find it fun to feed the fire in many scenarios just to see what happens. The above post, and many of my threads, are merely my own experiments.

The evidence presented in this thread speaks for itself, regardless of my former posts.

For the most part of these last generations, the industry never needed you, and to think that all of a sudden things will change specially at this point in time is pushing it quite a bit...

Anyway, the only thing I feel like discussing is the port issue, or in this case from your text it seems to be the multiplat issue. Multiplats will not drive the Wiimote or the console forward, however exclusives will and in a much higher rate at that. The Wii is much like the PC platform in that regard.

The console has the right price, to give any developer a good enough excuse to make an exclusive and unique content on the console with the option of 1) Earning a lot of profit or 2) not losing enourmous ammounts of money in the process, wich means they are on a saffer ground to actually do risks and to separate the Wii from the multiplat formula.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Let's face it: This thread fails. I don't like the Wii, but the way you presented your argument against it was so half-hearted and lazy that one wonders if you are just flamebaiting.jetthrovegas

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Wii is not crap. Wii is 250$ crap.

Both taken from the same thread, "Face it. The Wii is crap."

As you can see, the TC is either a hypocrite, has a bad short-term memory, is a fakeboy, all of the above, or some of the above.

So, how long until you blow up in this thread?

I am neither a hypocrite nor am I a fakeboy. And my memory is perfect. I did indeed say the above things and I make no apology for them. I find it fun to feed the fire in many scenarios just to see what happens. The above post, and many of my threads, are merely my own experiments.

The evidence presented in this thread speaks for itself, regardless of my former posts.

........ What?

I find it fun to feed the fire in many scenarios just to see what happens. The above post, and many of my threads, are merely my own experiments. jetthrovegas

So you're a troll.

*prepares sword of slaying*

Power: to a degree. if devs wanted too, they could always develop on wii first and then port to the other 2 with enhanced graphics (something we may see more of if wii takes a dominant market position..which is a big if). there also a flip side to this. the lack of sheer horse power means that dev costs go down. this in turn increases the chance of a dev taking a risk. it also forces devs into a position where they cant use graphics as a selling point. it means there going to have to try and differentate themselves in the market place in a different way. how? no idea but im curious to find out. look at no more heros. a publisher wouldnt dare put something like that on a PS3 or 360. its too expensive and too risky. theres nothing bankable about it. wii on the other hand? well they cant use fancy graphics and cool physics to wow their audience. they need something new....and a bit nuts. u mention GTA4 and RE5. im sure there going to be great games..ill be getting them myself. however there really just going ot be more of the same with bells and whistles (and nice graphics). GTA4 wont be a revolution like GTA3 was. same with 5 vs 4.

online- i have great crack with mario strikers (im in europe). i had some initial probs getting on but after that its been a nice ride since. it does need more support though. it needs something like halo to get it fired up. nintendoare also a littlebit too protective with their friend code system which is getting on my nerves. still its free and it works so im happy overall.

Lack of 3rd party support: ure argument makes no sense. just because the top 3 are nintendo games doesent mean that nintendo is loosing support. there are a crap load of 3rd parties supporting the wii and the list continues to grow. some of the support has been crap mind (ubisoft have apologized for their output on wii so far) but that should improve as time goes on.

lack of quality titles. at the mo i agree. it does have some good games but it has its fair share of rubbish..no doubt about it. like the PS2, its a victim of its own success. however comparing it too a console with a 1 year head start and expecting it too catch up by the end of the year is a little harsh. i wouldnt expect it of the wii or the PS3. its also going to be getting some really great games come christmas (as will the other 2).

controller hinders ports: i think thats fantastic to be honest. the wii really shows up a quick and dirty port and shames the devs and publishers for trying it. no fancy graphics or physics to hide behind. wii also shows up a top quality port like RE4 for how great it is. madden also, PS2 port pretty much but EA did a cracking job on the controls. the wii is arguably the harshest console for effortless ports because there is absolutely nothing to hide behind. makes a dev think.

i could go on about the rest of the stuff (controller too complex? thats a new one) but overall i disagree with ure opinion. the wii has the potential to be as great as the other machines imho. it offers something completly different from the status quo and thats great. the last thing this industry needed was another console with huge horsepower and a high price tag. nice to finally see a bit of variet. judging by the markets reaction...they like the choice too. its liberary is a bit lacking at the mo but thatll improve over time.

Online gaming is overrated here in SW. You know what's tragic? A racing game with no split screen capability. Or a company sacrificing its fanbase to push yet another proprietary format down the throats of the general public in service of the almighty dollar. Enjoy Hitch, I'll enjoy Mario, and we'll agree to disagree.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"]am neither a hypocrite nor am I a fakeboy. And my memory is perfect. I did indeed say the above things and I make no apology for them. I find it fun to feed the fire in many scenarios just to see what happens. The above post, and many of my threads, are merely my own experiments.

The evidence presented in this thread speaks for itself, regardless of my former posts

Tsug_Ze_Wind

So you're a troll.

*prepares sword of slaying*

"Troll"? To the contrary, many of my posts are intelligent and are not meant to cause any trouble, but, yes, occasionally it becomes necessary to present a piece of "flamebait" if you will, in order to get a discussion moving.

This thread is quite logical and inoffensive I think.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Let's face it: This thread fails. I don't like the Wii, but the way you presented your argument against it was so half-hearted and lazy that one wonders if you are just flamebaiting.jetthrovegas

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Wii is not crap. Wii is 250$ crap.

Both taken from the same thread, "Face it. The Wii is crap."

As you can see, the TC is either a hypocrite, has a bad short-term memory, is a fakeboy, all of the above, or some of the above.

So, how long until you blow up in this thread?

I am neither a hypocrite nor am I a fakeboy. And my memory is perfect. I did indeed say the above things and I make no apology for them. I find it fun to feed the fire in many scenarios just to see what happens. The above post, and many of my threads, are merely my own experiments.

The evidence presented in this thread speaks for itself, regardless of my former posts.

Truly, there's nothing to be gained from throwing around such words, but let me remind you. No one is taking you seriously because of wat ignorant comments were made. You brought some valid points, but fail to keep the posture of a civilized person, whom should be taken seriously, ergo you lose credbility. It doesn't mark what you say wrong, or any less true, unless it was to begin with. However, it does ruin the likes of anyone taking what you say to the serious level you want.

Oh, a wiibashing thread, should'nt you be telling a Bush joke somewhere? You clever, clever boy..flclempire

There is no Wii bashing here. Read the OP please. This is honest analysis.

[QUOTE="jetthrovegas"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Let's face it: This thread fails. I don't like the Wii, but the way you presented your argument against it was so half-hearted and lazy that one wonders if you are just flamebaiting.yoshi_64

[QUOTE=Jetthrovegas]Wii is not crap. Wii is 250$ crap.

Both taken from the same thread, "Face it. The Wii is crap."

As you can see, the TC is either a hypocrite, has a bad short-term memory, is a fakeboy, all of the above, or some of the above.

So, how long until you blow up in this thread?

I am neither a hypocrite nor am I a fakeboy. And my memory is perfect. I did indeed say the above things and I make no apology for them. I find it fun to feed the fire in many scenarios just to see what happens. The above post, and many of my threads, are merely my own experiments.

The evidence presented in this thread speaks for itself, regardless of my former posts.

Truly, there's nothing to be gained from throwing around such words, but let me remind you. No one is taking you seriously because of wat ignorant comments were made. You brought some valid points, but fail to keep the posture of a civilized person, whom should be taken seriously, ergo you lose credbility. It doesn't mark what you say wrong, or any less true, unless it was to begin with. However, it does ruin the likes of anyone taking what you say to the serious level you want.

Whether you take this thread seriously or not is something I don't care much about. This thread speaks for itself.

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I. Power- This is the most obvious issue (not nearlythe most important, as gameplay> graphics). The Wii, despite its unique controllers, is leaps and bounds behind the 360 and PS3 in terms of graphical horsepower, meaning that many games that could benefit from motion control, (like GTA IV and RE5), cannot be ported to it. This is a shame seeing as how the Wii could have the edge on many multiplats do due it's control setup. RE4 Wii proved that ports can be done right, but it was a last gen game. It is rather unfortuante that RE5 (along with many other potentially great Wii games)will not be on this system.

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