The Wii has more crap games than AAA (triple-A) games say's EGM.

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#1 HollywoodHeshX
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Quality Crap

Trash is piling up on Nintendo's systems.

They say it's because Nintendo doesn't care about quality games being released on the Wii just like how they didn't care with the GC.

Why is Nintendo not using their "Seal of Quality"?

Why is Nintendo not promising us quality first (1st), and third (3rd) party games anymore?

The magazine goes on to praise (bow-down) to The MicroGod, and The Great Sony for having quality systems installed to make sure gamers are getting the most out of their great (many) games.

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#2 Chutebox
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Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.
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Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.Chutebox

exactly

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.cobrax80

exactly

Yep, not many of those out there.

And the crap games aren't a problem, you can always just not play them. :o The problem is the lack of great games.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.cobrax80

exactly


That was a bit too easy.
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#6 HollywoodHeshX
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.cobrax80

exactly

The Xbox 360 (three-sixty).

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#7 clone01
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Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.Chutebox

ditto

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#8 -Renegade
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the wii does have alot of garbage titles. jut look at this list for proof.

http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html

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#9 PopeReal
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Yep its true. But us real gamers are smart enough to find the good games.

And on a side note, EGM has turned to crap. Not because of this article, which I can't really argue with, but because all the good people left a few years ago.... except maybe besides Shoe, is he still there? He must be hating life working with all the idiots there now. They used to have the best review crew in the business.

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#10 Eponique
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Is EGM stupid?
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[QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.KungfuKitten

exactly


That was a bit too easy.

That is true but you can't deny that the Wii does get a lot of garbage, right?

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#12 Chutebox
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the wii does have alot of garbage titles. jut look at this list for proof.

http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html

-Renegade

Dude, Ilove the ps3 aswell, but please just stop already.

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#13 -Renegade
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[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

the wii does have alot of garbage titles. jut look at this list for proof.

http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html

Chutebox

Dude, Ilove the ps3 aswell, but please just stop already.

what are you talking about? did you even look at the list of games coming to the wii?

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#14 HollywoodHeshX
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Yep its true. But us real gamers are smart enough to find the good games.

And on a side note, EGM has turned to crap. Not because of this article, which I can't really argue with, but because all the good people left a few years ago.... except maybe besides Shoe, is he still there? He must be hating life working with all the idiots there now. They used to have the best review crew in the business.

PopeReal

Yeah, EGM is garbage these days. This is my first issue in over a year, but I can't complain because I get them for free. After reading this issue I wish I didn't get them at all. :(

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Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

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#16 chutup
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Yeah, I really regret buying a Wii now. I never research games or even look at the box before I buy them, since I am a total idiot. So I end up with heaps of crap Wii games. I blame Nintendo since they should ban these games from their system and thus reduce their profits.
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#17 PopeReal
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Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

Ultra-Fatality

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

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#18 dave003
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Yeah, I really regret buying a Wii now. I never research games or even look at the box before I buy them, since I am a total idiot. So I end up with heaps of crap Wii games. I blame Nintendo since they should ban these games from their system and thus reduce their profits.chutup
It's not Nintendo's fault that you didn't look into whether one of their products would be suited to your tastes.
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[QUOTE="Ultra-Fatality"]

Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

PopeReal

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

Just imagine playing your Wii games with next-gen graphics. It would cut down on lazy developers a little, because they would be less likely to port. Imagine your Wii with next-gen specs. There would be less crap. The main draw for the casuals really aren't the games, but the Wiimote.

The lack of AAA (triple-A) games just makes me want to...

*Sells Wii*

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#20 XenogearsMaster
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Thank God I didn't buy a Wii.

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#21 bretthorror
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Just like everyone else, they only focus on the good games for PS3/360 and only focus on the bad games for Wii. When they make an article about the 360 only having quality games in the racing/sports and shooter genres, I will take them seriously with their Wii complaints. Everyone talks smack on Wii games like Cooking Mama, but newsflash dummies, IT SOLD LIKE CRAP. No one bought it. People did buy Rayman Raving Rabbids, Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess, Warioware, etc... How many terrible Wii games sold well? Red Steel, but it was a launch title and it actually looked cool and new, something that couldn't be said for Call of Duty 3. Mario Party 8? Well, ok, but remember that that genre of gaming has a lot of followers and for this game to consistently sell as well as they do, they are obviously pleasing the consumer. Not everyone is a 17 year old male who thinks he's cool because he plays FPS games. Some people are fans of characters and enjoy seeing them, some are fans of shooting people. Pick your side.

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#22 HollywoodHeshX
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Thank God I didn't buy a Wii.

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Just imagine playing your Wii games with next-gen graphics. It would cut down on lazy developers a little, because they would be less likely to port. Imagine your Wii with next-gen specs. There would be less crap. The main draw for the casuals really aren't the games, but the Wiimote.

The lack of AAA (triple-A) games just makes me want to...

*Sells Wii*

HollywoodHeshX

if the wii had similar specs ot the ps3 or 360, we'd have 3 consoles with very little difference between them.. the path Nintendo took is great because it encourages dev's to use different art styles, and take a whole new approach to making games, deliberatly making it less powerfull, was probably the best choice they made

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#24 HollywoodHeshX
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[QUOTE="HollywoodHeshX"]

Just imagine playing your Wii games with next-gen graphics. It would cut down on lazy developers a little, because they would be less likely to port. Imagine your Wii with next-gen specs. There would be less crap. The main draw for the casuals really aren't the games, but the Wiimote.

The lack of AAA (triple-A) games just makes me want to...

*Sells Wii*

Bandit_Haze

if the wii had similar specs ot the ps3 or 360, we'd have 3 consoles with very little difference between them.. the path Nintendo took is great because it encourages dev's to use different art styles, and take a whole new approach to making games, deliberatly making it less powerfull, was probably the best choice they made

Yes I agree that Nintendo is encouraging devs to create crap for the Wii. ^5 gaming pal.

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#25 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="Ultra-Fatality"]

Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

PopeReal

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

I'd be happier if Wii didn't exist and they fully commited themselves to my beloved DS. Instead of disrupting the industry by casualising it, lowering standards and putting out craptastic hardware to save some dough.
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Thank God I didn't buy a Wii.

XenogearsMaster

glad i didnt cave into newspapers gushing reports either:lol:who would?, i just had a funny feeling the wii be the rubbish tip of next gen long before release and its not doing much to prove me wrong right now, i cant see this trend changing either the way third party games sell on the wii in comparison to the 360 makes this evident, quality games and publishers are rewarded by big sales on other consoles, only nintendo make real big bucks from wii software so rather than take a big risk small(crappy) publishers spend less money and make simple games that might fit with nintedo's self created image of gaming wiisports, wiiplay and there succes have opened the flood gates for these crap games im tellin ya

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The success of the playstation is based on lots of bad quality games with some good ones.. Obviously nintendo should do the same since it works.. These kinds of criticism is are simply retarded.
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#28 omgimba
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[QUOTE="PopeReal"][QUOTE="Ultra-Fatality"]

Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

tomarlyn

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

I'd be happier if Wii didn't exist and they fully commited themselves to my beloved DS. Instead of disrupting the industry by casualising it, lowering standards and putting out craptastic hardware to save some dough.

It was the Playstation that forever lowerd the standards... The Wii is just taking a similar approach.. Also, more casuals means more gamers means more non-casual games... I just hate how the logics of some people fail..
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#29 Always-Honest
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true, there are an insane amount of crappy games on Wii.

But also some precious gems

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#30 PopeReal
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[QUOTE="PopeReal"][QUOTE="Ultra-Fatality"]

Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

tomarlyn

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

I'd be happier if Wii didn't exist and they fully commited themselves to my beloved DS. Instead of disrupting the industry by casualising it, lowering standards and putting out craptastic hardware to save some dough.

The DS has WAY more crap games than the Wii, yet it is beloved to you? That makes no sense. Dare I say..... OWNED?? ;)

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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="PopeReal"][QUOTE="Ultra-Fatality"]

Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

omgimba

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

I'd be happier if Wii didn't exist and they fully commited themselves to my beloved DS. Instead of disrupting the industry by casualising it, lowering standards and putting out craptastic hardware to save some dough.

It was the Playstation that forever lowerd the standards... The Wii is just taking a similar approach.. Also, more casuals means more gamers means more non-casual games... I just hate how the logics of some people fail..

I can't believe the audacity of Playstation fans, they should show more respect, cos they were the most repulsively casual gamers in the industry or at least considered, before the PS3, now because they have powerful hardware, they are no longer casual, suddenly they are teh hardcore, don't make me laugh, the Wii is doing no damage, because the PS1 and PS2 already did exactly the same thing, just with even less imagination.

Apparently only cows can use the buh buh buh its only been out one year argument no one else.

Those fanboys can get off their high horses. The only reason the PS3 hasn't got a load of games out, is because of how complex it is, they can barely get any game out let alone crap ones, which they WOULD do. Don't mistake what can't be done for higher standards.

I admit its not only the cows attacking, but they can't really talk, they were the same. MY God the amount of crap available for the PS1 and 2, some of them you could swear the devs spent 5 min on the game.

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[QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.HollywoodHeshX

exactly

The Xbox 360 (three-sixty).

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#33 Marka1700
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Welcome to every single console ever made.

For instance, sure consoles like the Snes and PS2 have heaps of AAA rated games, but some pople have no idea of the amounth of crap that was pumped out for these system (mainly because they are/were so popular)

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[QUOTE="HollywoodHeshX"][QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.Twin-Blade

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The Xbox 360 (three-sixty).

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the wii had craps of casual games up untill a few months, but now that there is wiiware being released, all the mini game **** can go there, plus wii's future is bright, better than ps3 at least
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#36 Hewkii
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Yes I agree that Nintendo is encouraging devs to create crap for the Wii. ^5 gaming pal.

HollywoodHeshX

the only alternative would be a system where no games were made for it.

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[QUOTE="omgimba"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="PopeReal"][QUOTE="Ultra-Fatality"]

Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

Darth_DuMas

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

I'd be happier if Wii didn't exist and they fully commited themselves to my beloved DS. Instead of disrupting the industry by casualising it, lowering standards and putting out craptastic hardware to save some dough.

It was the Playstation that forever lowerd the standards... The Wii is just taking a similar approach.. Also, more casuals means more gamers means more non-casual games... I just hate how the logics of some people fail..

I can't believe the audacity of Playstation fans, they should show more respect, cos they were the most repulsively casual gamers in the industry or at least considered, before the PS3, now because they have powerful hardware, they are no longer casual, suddenly they are teh hardcore, don't make me laugh, the Wii is doing no damage, because the PS1 and PS2 already did exactly the same thing, just with even less imagination.

Apparently only cows can use the buh buh buh its only been out one year argument no one else.

Those fanboys can get off their high horses. The only reason the PS3 hasn't got a load of games out, is because of how complex it is, they can barely get any game out let alone crap ones, which they WOULD do. Don't mistake what can't be done for higher standards.

I admit its not only the cows attacking, but they can't really talk, they were the same. MY God the amount of crap available for the PS1 and 2, some of them you could swear the devs spent 5 min on the game.

At least the cows expect something that try's to be new, not Mario Bro's 50 and a slue of old emulated games as an excuse for new releases. Maybe you should consider that everythinggood on the wii is a Gamecube port.

and the Playstaion was always on the edge with hardware, the PS1 had advanced tech for its day, but by the time it got popular it was pretty far behind the saturn and 64. The PS2 was the most powerful until the Xbox and Gamecube came out. Both were not cheap ass efforts like the Wii.

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#38 Hewkii
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The PS2 was the most powerful until the Xbox and Gamecube came out.

ChinoJamesKeene

and the Dreamcast was the most powerful before it. guess the similarity: it only took one year to surpass it.

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#39 tomarlyn
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The DS has WAY more crap games than the Wii, yet it is beloved to you? That makes no sense. Dare I say..... OWNED?? ;)

PopeReal

Yay for comparing handhelds to a consoles. I don't care how bad the graphics are or how shallow the gameplay is on a handheld, its a handheld.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="PopeReal"][QUOTE="Ultra-Fatality"]

Nintendo took the wrong path with the Wii if you ask me, even though they get more sales the Wii, well...... Sucks.

omgimba

Yep, they must really be regretting the path they took about right now... ;) Joking aside, aren't you glad there are different choices for gamers out there? Would you be happy if the Wii was just like the 360 and PS3?

I'd be happier if Wii didn't exist and they fully commited themselves to my beloved DS. Instead of disrupting the industry by casualising it, lowering standards and putting out craptastic hardware to save some dough.

It was the Playstation that forever lowerd the standards... The Wii is just taking a similar approach.. Also, more casuals means more gamers means more non-casual games... I just hate how the logics of some people fail..

The PS1 never had as much crap in large quantity's as the Wii, there was a much more forgiving balance.

Fail

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#40 Darth_DuMas
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[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

I can't believe the audacity of Playstation fans, they should show more respect, cos they were the most repulsively casual gamers in the industry or at least considered, before the PS3, now because they have powerful hardware, they are no longer casual, suddenly they are teh hardcore, don't make me laugh, the Wii is doing no damage, because the PS1 and PS2 already did exactly the same thing, just with even less imagination.

Apparently only cows can use the buh buh buh its only been out one year argument no one else.

Those fanboys can get off their high horses. The only reason the PS3 hasn't got a load of games out, is because of how complex it is, they can barely get any game out let alone crap ones, which they WOULD do. Don't mistake what can't be done for higher standards.

I admit its not only the cows attacking, but they can't really talk, they were the same. MY God the amount of crap available for the PS1 and 2, some of them you could swear the devs spent 5 min on the game.

ChinoJamesKeene

At least the cows expect something that try's to be new, not Mario Bro's 50 and a slue of old emulated games as an excuse for new releases. Maybe you should consider that everythinggood on the wii is a Gamecube port.

and the Playstaion was always on the edge with hardware, the PS1 had advanced tech for its day, but by the time it got popular it was pretty far behind the saturn and 64. The PS2 was the most powerful until the Xbox and Gamecube came out. Both were not cheap ass efforts like the Wii.

Cows don't get anything that trys to be new often, just upgraded, and the PS consoles were the consoles which saturated the markets with sequels first now everyone does it to stay afloat.

PS consoles have just as many sequels, but spread out across so many games it would be difficult to keep up, I would agree though that Nintendo should not have slapped the Mario name on every which game. The truth is we only want Mario in true Mario games and occasionally some others.

PS has never been on the edge of hardware for long, but I wouldn't say the Saturn was more powerful, it could not achieve 3D as well.

Which brings me to another point, the PS1 was a great dev friendly console, nice and easy to develop for, for the fast market SCE wanted, to gain the market, but as soon as they got that market, the next consoles are difficult to develop for, thats nice of them. Only time they helped the industry was when it was in their interest, now small developers can barely stay alive on a PS brand console. Creating super devs like EA and Ubisoft and others buying up all the small devs.

Congratulations not only did the PS brand invent casual, it turned the industry into Hollywood. We bow to Sony's greatness :roll:

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#42 tman93
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Theres no current gen system, Xbox 360, PS3, andWii that have more AAAs then crap games, on any website or reveiwing source.

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The Wii really screwed up videogames for alot of us. It's an embarrassment to the industry that a company would make up a pseudo-video game system, slap their brand name on it and sell it for cheap, and consider it a success. Nintendo's day will come.
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#45 Hexagon_777
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Xbox 360

Number of AAAs: 8

Number of AAAEs: 0 or 1

Wii

Number of AAAs: 3

Number of AAAEs: 1

PS3

Number of AAAs: 1

Number of AAAEs: 0

Courtesy of gamerankings. Now tell me, why is everyone bashing the Wii for lack of AAA and AAAE titles? The PS3 is the obvious loser in that category, don't you think?

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#46 tomarlyn
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Xbox 360

Number of AAAs: 8

Number of AAAEs: 0 or 1

Wii

Number of AAAs: 3

Number of AAAEs: 1

PS3

Number of AAAs: 1

Number of AAAEs: 0

Courtesy of gamerankings. Now tell me, why is everyone bashing the Wii for lack of AAA and AAAE titles? The PS3 is the obvious loser in that category, don't you think?

Hexagon_777

Not when only gamespot counts here, I certainly don't trust other sources. You won't get very far with that other than with sheep.

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Xbox 360

Number of AAAs: 8

Number of AAAEs: 0 or 1

Wii

Number of AAAs: 3

Number of AAAEs: 1

PS3

Number of AAAs: 1

Number of AAAEs: 0

Courtesy of gamerankings. Now tell me, why is everyone bashing the Wii for lack of AAA and AAAE titles? The PS3 is the obvious loser in that category, don't you think?

Hexagon_777

Its the same story with Nintendo. Zelda, Mario, Metroid and party games. More of the same stuff this gen except both Zelda and Metroid did worse than they did on Ninty consoles last gen, and Mario most likely still will, and the overwhelming MAJORITY of games on the system are shovelware/garbage.

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#48 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

Xbox 360

Number of AAAs: 8

Number of AAAEs: 0 or 1

Wii

Number of AAAs: 3

Number of AAAEs: 1

PS3

Number of AAAs: 1

Number of AAAEs: 0

Courtesy of gamerankings. Now tell me, why is everyone bashing the Wii for lack of AAA and AAAE titles? The PS3 is the obvious loser in that category, don't you think?

tomarlyn

Not when only gamespot counts here, I certainly don't trust other sources. You won't get very far with that other than with sheep.

So are you a gamer or just a fanboy who wishes to bash? I mean, honestly, numerous professional reviews > one professional review, right? The work is already done for you i.e. the average is already taken, you don't have to calculate it yourself. I myself am a gamer and prefer to see how good a game really is by seeing how many of these professional dudes actually liked it instead of just sticking to one. The majority own the minority, correct?

And anyway, I thought the majority voted anarchy.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Show me a system that has more AAA games than crap games.cobrax80

exactly

agreed .. it's like this with any console

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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

Xbox 360

Number of AAAs: 8

Number of AAAEs: 0 or 1

Wii

Number of AAAs: 3

Number of AAAEs: 1

PS3

Number of AAAs: 1

Number of AAAEs: 0

Courtesy of gamerankings. Now tell me, why is everyone bashing the Wii for lack of AAA and AAAE titles? The PS3 is the obvious loser in that category, don't you think?

shsonline

Its the same story with Nintendo. Zelda, Mario, Metroid and party games. More of the same stuff this gen except both Zelda and Metroid did worse than they did on Ninty consoles last gen, and Mario most likely still will, and the overwhelming MAJORITY of games on the system are shovelware/garbage.

Since we're talking about franchises, what are cows hyping? Metal Gear Solid 4? Final Fantasy 13?

However, they surely won't be bad, and that's the point I'm making. Just because Nintendo is using older franchises doesn't mean it's not making good games for them. They even put in some new stuff (though I can't excuse TP way too much, it did have a few new things to it). It's like Jeff said with Halo 3. They have a good formula, but they can sometimes bring new things into the picture (see Wii-mote controls; what, it's a start).

Can't defend all of the shovelware though.