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#51 foxhound_fox
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If this is as solid a lineup as the Wii has had in it's life, then the Wii must have been stillborn.2Chalupas
2010 was its peak... what exactly are you expecting, another SMG and another Metroid on top of a Kirby, a Zelda and three new IP's? Nintendo are probably saving F-Zero for the Wii U, and Star Fox has been moved to the 3DS. You strike me as the same kind of person who would downplay the importance of Gears 3 and Forza 4 on the 360 this year saying "ugh, the 360 doesn't have anything this year." Despite, you know, both Gears 3 and Forza 4 being basically what the last two iterations this generation have been working towards and maintaining both AAA quality. What exactly are you expecting from Nintendo? Because if we are to have a discussion, it would make sense to bring your expectations to the table.
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#52 haziqonfire
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It's got Kirby Wii, Rhythm Heaven and The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword as it's big releases. Also, Dragon Quest X is also slated for Wii as of now. It might move to Wii U, but it's better to release it on a platform with an already established install base than one with a limited install base.

I'm personally looking forward to Skyward Sword and Dragon Quest X whenever it hits.

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#53 Half-Way
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It's got Kirby Wii, Rhythm Heaven and The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword as it's big releases. Also, Dragon Quest X is also slated for Wii as of now. It might move to Wii U, but it's better to release it on a platform with an already established install base than one with a limited install base.

I'm personally looking forward to Skyward Sword and Dragon Quest X whenever it hits.

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i dont think they ever talked about moving DQ10 to WiiU, but releaseing it on both consoles

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#54 2Chalupas
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[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]If this is as solid a lineup as the Wii has had in it's life, then the Wii must have been stillborn.foxhound_fox
2010 was its peak... what exactly are you expecting, another SMG and another Metroid on top of a Kirby, a Zelda and three new IP's? Nintendo are probably saving F-Zero for the Wii U, and Star Fox has been moved to the 3DS. You strike me as the same kind of person who would downplay the importance of Gears 3 and Forza 4 on the 360 this year saying "ugh, the 360 doesn't have anything this year." Despite, you know, both Gears 3 and Forza 4 being basically what the last two iterations this generation have been working towards and maintaining both AAA quality. What exactly are you expecting from Nintendo? Because if we are to have a discussion, it would make sense to bring your expectations to the table.

I'm not sure what relevance 360 has to the demise of the Wii. But to answer your question: while the 360 is lacking a large selection of exclusives, those are two massive exclusives, and it still will enjoy dozens of worthwhile 3rd party games this year. The 360 will still be going strong through 2011 and probably into 2012 as well. Conversely the Wii has practically nothing worthwhile this year, and basically people are counting on Zelda being the "last Hurrah" in 2012. If they don't get Zelda done soon they might as well just upgrade it and release it on Wii-U. I personally am beyond even anticipating Zelda anymore considering how dated it's surely to feel by the time it comes out. I didn't much care for Wii in 2010 either regardless of what other people may have thought of it, which is why I've barely taken it out of it's box for going on 3 years now (I probably averaged about 10 hours every six months).

As to what I "expect" out of Nintendo, not much. I just expect them to continue what they've been doing, lazily cash in on retro games and franchises that cost nothing to make - but make them alot of money ($49.99 for a 6 hour long retro 2D sidescroller???). I expect them to continually ignore real gamers, and people that want certain games localized from Japan. Oh, and while they're at it I expect them to continue to have absolutely no quality assurance standards for 3rd parties. Afterall, if there's anything Nintendo consoles need, it's MOAR SHOVELWAREZ!!! I've entirely stopped caring for what is released on Wii, so I would likely have no interest even if there were a Star Fox or F-Zero game in 2011 or 2012. But that ain't happening anyway...

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#55 koryuk
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Well of course it's dead I don't even like the thought of it being my main console instead of my 360

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#56 ActionRemix
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I'm buying two games for Wii this year, which is more Wii games than I've bought in every prior year.

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#57 EggHeadMan
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Despite selling the best, the Wii has seen very little 1st party and 3rd party support this year. The Wii was the first system to come out but also the first to die. discussSnyper-007
Xenoblade says hi

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#58 commonfate
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Necro thread lol.

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#59 ActionRemix
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Necro thread lol.

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Somebody should ressurect those 1969 threads on page 10081.

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#60 Nike_Air
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I checked Metacritic and looked at the 75+ rated games (green) for the Wii this year -

  • 85 - Tiger Woods
  • 81 - Bit Trip Flux
  • 81 - You Don't Know Jack
  • 79 - de Blob 2
  • 76 - Lego Star Wars

All of those games released in Feb or March. So it's been about 5 months since a great or very good game has hit the platform in NA. This is downright abysmal. Wii-U releasing next year is a poor excuse to use. Even the PSP has had more quality offerings this year and it's older , sold less than Wii , and the Vita is coming out early next year.

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#61 ekalbtwin
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You know the coolest thing about making threads like this? Its that if you keep making them then one day they will be correct! I may drop a thread like this in 3 years just for funsies
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#62 scoots9
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If anything is dead this year it's the Xbox 360.

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#63 Nike_Air
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If anything is dead this year it's the Xbox 360.

scoots9

It has downloadable games and mutiplatform games to fall back on when there are no exclusives at least.

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#64 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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Its been dead to me, SMG 1 and 2 are the only games that make the wii not total trash. They were both exellent, everything else could have never been released and it wouldnt have been a loss to anyone. Nintendo is a joke these days.

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#65 millerlight89
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If anything is dead this year it's the Xbox 360.

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At least 360 players have multiplats......can the Wii owners say the same ?
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#66 Silverbond
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Nintendo is a joke these days.Advid-Gamer
No. No they are not.
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#67 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]Nintendo is a joke these days.Silverbond
No. No they are not.

Yes. Yes they are.

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#68 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]Nintendo is a joke these days.Advid-Gamer
No. No they are not.

Yes. yes they are.

How so?
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#69 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="scoots9"]

If anything is dead this year it's the Xbox 360.

millerlight89

At least 360 players have multiplats......can the Wii owners say the same ?

It has MW3....so basically yeah. Any big dev already jumped ship to support Wii-U for multiplats. It has Skyward Sword this year so that's the only thing keeping it from not being "dead," just like all 360 has this year is Gears 3.

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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="Silverbond"] No. No they are not.Silverbond
Yes. yes they are.

How so?

There online, and games are not up to par with this gen. Other then SMG1,2 everything else I played was trash. I hated the new metroid, and that used to be one of my favorite series. They are not serious about online gaming, like the competition, they missed out on all the good MP games, there first party games, failed to make up for the weak 3rd party this gen, they have just Fallon off. There fan base seems to be casuals and kids, I am neither. Must I go on? 360/ps3/pc are all better then the wii if you are a gamer, wii is viewed as a secondary console because it cant stand on its own.
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#71 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Yes. yes they are. Advid-Gamer
How so?

There online, and games are not up to par with this gen. Other then SMG1,2 everything else I played was trash. I hated the new metroid, and that used to be one of my favorite series. They are not serious about online gaming, like the competition, they missed out on all the good MP games, there first party games, failed to make up for the weak 3rd party this gen, they have just Fallon off. There fan base seems to be casuals and kids, I am neither. Must I go on? 360/ps3/pc are all better then the wii if you are a gamer, wii is viewed as a secondary console because it cant stand on its own.

Almost every point you made was typed after the letter "I". Need I go on?
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#72 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Yes. yes they are. Advid-Gamer
How so?

There online, and games are not up to par with this gen. Other then SMG1,2 everything else I played was trash. I hated the new metroid, and that used to be one of my favorite series. They are not serious about online gaming, like the competition, they missed out on all the good MP games, there first party games, failed to make up for the weak 3rd party this gen, they have just Fallon off. There fan base seems to be casuals and kids, I am neither. Must I go on? 360/ps3/pc are all better then the wii if you are a gamer, wii is viewed as a secondary console because it cant stand on its own.

I'm a gamer and I disagree with your myopic assesment of the Wii.

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#73 meetroid8
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Nintendo can't handle supporting their new handheld, preparing the WiiU for launch, and continuing to develop new games for the Wii. It's a shame really, seeing as how the WiiU is still up to a year away. Nintendo is really disappointing sometimes.
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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="Silverbond"] How so?Silverbond
There online, and games are not up to par with this gen. Other then SMG1,2 everything else I played was trash. I hated the new metroid, and that used to be one of my favorite series. They are not serious about online gaming, like the competition, they missed out on all the good MP games, there first party games, failed to make up for the weak 3rd party this gen, they have just Fallon off. There fan base seems to be casuals and kids, I am neither. Must I go on? 360/ps3/pc are all better then the wii if you are a gamer, wii is viewed as a secondary console because it cant stand on its own.

Almost every point you made was typed after the letter "I". Need I go on?

And, that is my personal experience with the wii. Sorry but personal experience is all I have to go on, if thats not good enough to bad. I guess I could talk about how everyone I know that bought one off of hype, dosent play it, but whats the point. Look me and alot of others think the wii is trash and nintendo went casual years ago, dont agree fine, nothing will change my mind, In short I dont care what you think or anyone else, my opinion is all that matters to me, and I will continue to post it here just for the hell of it.

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#75 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]Despite selling the best, the Wii has seen very little 1st party and 3rd party support this year. The Wii was the first system to come out but also the first to die. discussSnyper-007

No it wasn't.

I meant last. Sorry

its not last either my friend
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#76 lightleggy
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its not dead...its just dying

with games like:

zelda skyward sword
fortune street
kirby wii
call of duty
the grinder
Bit trip Complete collection
just dance SMURFS EDITION

its not dead yet.

KBFloYd

did you really just said just dance smurf?

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#77 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] There online, and games are not up to par with this gen. Other then SMG1,2 everything else I played was trash. I hated the new metroid, and that used to be one of my favorite series. They are not serious about online gaming, like the competition, they missed out on all the good MP games, there first party games, failed to make up for the weak 3rd party this gen, they have just Fallon off. There fan base seems to be casuals and kids, I am neither. Must I go on? 360/ps3/pc are all better then the wii if you are a gamer, wii is viewed as a secondary console because it cant stand on its own. Advid-Gamer

Almost every point you made was typed after the letter "I". Need I go on?

And, that is my personal experience with the wii. Sorry but personal experience is all I have to go on, if thats not good enough to bad. I guess I could talk about how everyone I know that bought one off of hype, dosent play it, but whats the point. Look me and alot of others think the wii is trash and nintendo went casual years ago, dont agree fine, nothing will change my mind, In short I dont care what you think or anyone else, my opinion is all that matters to me, and I will continue to post it here just for the hell of it.


That's all well and good but lets try to refrain from calling the guys who are winning a joke when they are obviously very serious.

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Sheep are funny. Last year and every other year since Wii launched (except maybe 2007) when they get poor library compared to the other two, the excuse is "gameplay>graphics" even though they were both superior on ps360. This years excuse is WiiU release lmao. So you accept a joke of a year for a console that will be released in a year+? Laughable!!!!!! especially when pc/ps360 are getting the best year of this gen... Wii fanboys sure accept garbage years. If its the kind of games i was getting on ps360 i won't be gaming. Hard to believe some1 can be that brain washed by nintendo that he enjoys playing titles called *Nothing*.silversix_
They really do, I cant believe the wii still has fans that defend it. I always own every system every gen, and have owned every nintendo console ever made but I have no problem calling it like it is, nintendo just sucks compared to the rest as a gaming console. Why others cant see this I will never understand. The wiiu is going to have to be nothing short of amazing before I even look in that direction next gen, motion on the wii was a gimmick, look the gen is almost over and what did motion do? Zelda ss may actually use it right with the 1 to 1 but that is yet to be seen.

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[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]Despite selling the best, the Wii has seen very little 1st party and 3rd party support this year. The Wii was the first system to come out but also the first to die. discuss

xbox360=2005 ps3/wii=2006
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#81 AzatiS
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[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]Despite selling the best, the Wii has seen very little 1st party and 3rd party support this year. The Wii was the first system to come out but also the first to die. discuss

Wii wasnt the first but i get what you mean. Clearly shows that it didnt deserve to be the best selling console this gen by its overall library (games) , overall value ( hardware and capabilities) and support ( first time in console history , first in sales consoles die first ). period.
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zeelda and kirby are getting released this year. both will be great AAA games. also there are 2 great rpgs but sadly we wont see a us release for them

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Despite selling the best, the Wii has seen very little 1st party and 3rd party support this year. The Wii was the first system to come out but also the first to die. discussSnyper-007

Thw Wii was not the first system to come out. That is lunacy my man. Also it's dying just asmuch by choice by Nintendo. They have chosen to slow and then stop support after Skyward Sword (a goty hopeful so make no mistake about it) in order to bring out a brand new next-gen console. So you're attempt to make the Wii sound like a failure (a laughable thought and an even more laughable attempt) is invalid and irrelevant due to a little thing called "facts".

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#84 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]Despite selling the best, the Wii has seen very little 1st party and 3rd party support this year. The Wii was the first system to come out but also the first to die. discussAzatiS
Wii wasnt the first but i get what you mean. Clearly shows that it didnt deserve to be the best selling console this gen by its overall library (games) , overall value ( hardware and capabilities) and support ( first time in console history , first in sales consoles die first ). period.

Who are you to decide what deserves to sell the most?
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#85 AzatiS
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[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Snyper-007"]Despite selling the best, the Wii has seen very little 1st party and 3rd party support this year. The Wii was the first system to come out but also the first to die. discussSilverbond
Wii wasnt the first but i get what you mean. Clearly shows that it didnt deserve to be the best selling console this gen by its overall library (games) , overall value ( hardware and capabilities) and support ( first time in console history , first in sales consoles die first ). period.

Who are you to decide what deserves to sell the most?

The unhappy consumer . The man that pays so you have these fancy numbers and keep industry rolling. And who are you to ask me what my opinion should be?

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#86 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="AzatiS"] Wii wasnt the first but i get what you mean. Clearly shows that it didnt deserve to be the best selling console this gen by its overall library (games) , overall value ( hardware and capabilities) and support ( first time in console history , first in sales consoles die first ). period.AzatiS
Who are you to decide what deserves to sell the most?

The consumer . The man that pays so you have these fancy numbers and keep industry rolling. And who are you to ask me what my opinion should be?

Well, the consumers decided that the Wii deserved to sell the most. And who am I? I'm awesome.
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#87 AzatiS
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[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Silverbond"] Who are you to decide what deserves to sell the most?Silverbond
The consumer . The man that pays so you have these fancy numbers and keep industry rolling. And who are you to ask me what my opinion should be?

Well, the consumers decided that the Wii deserved to sell the most. And who am I? I'm awesome.

1) So it didnt deserve it 2) Prove it
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[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Silverbond"] Who are you to decide what deserves to sell the most?Silverbond
The consumer . The man that pays so you have these fancy numbers and keep industry rolling. And who are you to ask me what my opinion should be?

Well, the consumers decided that the Wii deserved to sell the most. And who am I? I'm awesome.

i second that. i hated the wii always made fun of it and its games. early this year i got the wii and i thought it was amazing i now know y it sold this much. the wii games unlike other consoles are made for pure fun.

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#90 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="AzatiS"] The consumer . The man that pays so you have these fancy numbers and keep industry rolling. And who are you to ask me what my opinion should be?AzatiS
Well, the consumers decided that the Wii deserved to sell the most. And who am I? I'm awesome.

1) So it didnt deserve it

2) Prove it

1) Do I really have to explain this?

2) I am proof.

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#91 osan0
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i know it wont count here but its going out with a bit of a bang in europe. xenoblade is awesome and zelda should also deliver the usual zelda excellence (im looking forward to the bits that have been shaken up. hopefully it freshens up the game). the last story will also come out here next year i think. yes its only 3 games but its 1 great game and 2 probably great games. for a dead console its been my busiest console.
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="AzatiS"] The consumer . The man that pays so you have these fancy numbers and keep industry rolling. And who are you to ask me what my opinion should be?pc-ps360

Well, the consumers decided that the Wii deserved to sell the most. And who am I? I'm awesome.

i second that. i hated the wii always made fun of it and its games. early this year i got the wii and i thought it was amazing i now know y it sold this much. the wii games unlike other consoles are made for pure fun.

My point again , you bypass it in purpose i guess. First time in console history (since atari 2600) that first in console war (sales) dies first and WONT be viable into next gen ( unlike SNES-GENESIS / PSONE/PS2 did ) First time in console history (since atari 2600 ) that first in console war had the worst third party support First time in console history (since atari 2600) that first in console war had the worst gaming library overall ( despite 3-4 awesome games ) out of dead third in total!!! First time in console history (since atari 2600) that first in console war had so utterly bad hardware VS competition. Want me to continue? I guess i shouldnt , you get the idea. Where you disagree with what im saying? So in the end , did Wii deserve to be the best selling system this gen. Imho... NO! Its that simple. But it did. And im the first that congratulated Nintendo for this.
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#94 Silverbond
Member since 2008 • 16130 Posts

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="AzatiS"] 1) So it didnt deserve it

2) Prove itAzatiS

1) Do I really have to explain this?

2) I am proof.

You bypass my point and bringing troll into our conversation. If you dont have any valid point to bring please stop trolling with me and lets keep it in topic. Thnx And yes, explain what you mean because is so generic statement. I can prove you wrong all day.

Lol. So I'm trolling because I'm right? :lol:

Let me explain it to you since you already forgot: YOU were the one to say that consumers decided what deserved to sell and YOU were the one to say you were a consumer. I said that the consumers decided that the Wii deserved to sell the most (and surprise, I'm right) and you essentially conceded defeat.

Yeah, I'm awesome and that's why.

8)

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#95 LegatoSkyheart
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The Wii has such a BAD year this year....in America.

Meanwhile those in Europe are just kiddy with Joy with their Xenoblade and Annoucnements of Games....

The Wii has such a Bright and Colourful Future in Europe.

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#96 Silverbond
Member since 2008 • 16130 Posts

The Wii has such a BAD year this year....in America.

Meanwhile those in Europe are just kiddy with Joy with their Xenoblade and Annoucnements of Games....

The Wii has such a Bright and Colourful Future in Europe.

LegatoSkyheart

WRONG

Da Wii iz doomed everywherez on da planet becuz it iz 4 cazual and plus I says so and I aint ever wrong about NOTHING

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#97 AzatiS
Member since 2004 • 14969 Posts

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

1) Do I really have to explain this?

2) I am proof.

Silverbond

You bypass my point and bringing troll into our conversation. If you dont have any valid point to bring please stop trolling with me and lets keep it in topic. Thnx And yes, explain what you mean because is so generic statement. I can prove you wrong all day.

Lol. So I'm trolling because I'm right? :lol:

Let me explain it to you since you already forgot: YOU were the one to say that consumers decided what deserved to sell and YOU were the one to say you were a consumer. I said that the consumers decided that the Wii deserved to sell the most (and surprise, I'm right) and you essentially conceded defeat.

Yeah, I'm awesome and that's why.

8)

How are you right , you didnt even answer my claimings. I never said consumers decided , i said im a consumer on your false question who am i. Thats all. Dont put words in my mouth. Now answer my claiming , 2 posts above you.

Prove me wrong of what im saying rather than generic things you come up with. You didnt prove anything.

EDIT : Because youll continue bypassing. Here it is . FOR THIRD time.

My point again , you bypass it in purpose i guess.

First time in console history (since atari 2600) that first in console war (sales) dies first and WONT be viable into next gen ( unlike SNES-GENESIS / PSONE/PS2 did )

First time in console history (since atari 2600 ) that first in console war had the worst third party support

First time in console history (since atari 2600) that first in console war had the worst gaming library overall ( despite 3-4 awesome games ) out of dead third in total!!!

First time in console history (since atari 2600) that first in console war had so utterly bad hardware VS competition.

Want me to continue? I guess i shouldnt , you get the idea. Where you disagree with what im saying?

So in the end , did Wii deserve to be the best selling system this gen. Imho... NO! Its that simple. But it did. And im the first that congratulated Nintendo for this.

Now where you disagree?

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#98 Silverbond
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How are you right , you didnt even answer my claimings. I never said consumers decided , i said im a consumer on your false question who am i. Thats all. Dont put words in my mouth. Now answer my claiming , 2 posts above you. Prove me wrong of what im saying rather than generic things you come up with. You didnt prove anything.AzatiS

I asked who are you to decide what deserves to sell. You said that you were a consumer which implies that the consumer decides what deserves to sell.

NOW then, if 70 million consumers decide the Wii deserves to sell then it deserves to sell using your logic.

I am not wrong. I rarely am. On that note, I eagerly await your rebuttal. Lol.

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#100 AzatiS
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="AzatiS"] Wii wasnt the first but i get what you mean. Clearly shows that it didnt deserve to be the best selling console this gen by its overall library (games) , overall value ( hardware and capabilities) and support ( first time in console history , first in sales consoles die first ). period.Advid-Gamer
Who are you to decide what deserves to sell the most?

. You just cant stop can you? You just cant see it. Wii defender till the very end, hard to find loyalty like that these days, your girl friend will appreciate that if you get one.

Is he doin this all the time? I see