The Wii is not revolutionizing gaming as much as the fans think. RE5 an example

I'm so glad Wii isn't the only console out there. If it was the only one, so many of our favorite franchises would be lowered to the level of Wii hardware. Blurry 480p visuals, shoebox-designed levels with no complexity, and simple Elebits physics.

After seeing the RE5 trailer, it reminded me that it's actually the PS3, Xbox 360, and PC that is pushing the industry games forward! (Crysis, Bioshock, GTA4, are all games better for not going to the Wii) The Wii games and its controls are just a different direction, but not moving forward. More like sideways.

Just look at that. How could anyone want a downgrade of this beauty? You'd be zombie crazy

RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Smoke_ManMuscle

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Smoke_ManMuscle

Everything that Wii games do also is hardly a step forward though.

Sorry its OT but I'm curious what program people use to make animated GIF files like these? They are pretty nifty.Corvin

I wish I knew too. I got these from the NeoGaf forums. For some reason they are always the quickest with these animated gifs.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Corvin

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

But none of it was standardized, which is what the Wii is doing to push the industry forward.

3rd party controllers that can do something well don't mean squat if there isn't a development community behind it. That's why no one cares about motion controls on the PC.

What does RE5 have to do with moving the industry forward? From what I understand about RE5 it plays just like RE4 except it looks better. I suggest you find a better example. Though you are not going to find it because your argument is just mindless fanboy drivel.Ichiroisawsome

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.AdrianWerner

Everything that Wii games do also is hardly a step forward though.

Making the controller standard coupled with packing in software that exhibits its functions is pushing the industry forward. If you mean some random 3rd party controller for the PC market that got released 8 years ago, then you'd be right. But nobody cares about it, unlike with the wiimote.

I'm so glad Wii isn't the only console out there. If it was the only one, so many of our favorite franchises would be lowered to the level of Wii hardware. Blurry 480p visuals, shoebox-designed levels with no complexity, and simple Elebits physics.

After seeing the RE5 trailer, it reminded me that it's actually the PS3, Xbox 360, and PC that is pushing the industry games forward! (Crysis, Bioshock, GTA4, are all games better for not going to the Wii) The Wii games and its controls are just a different direction, but not moving forward. More like sideways.

Just look at that. How could anyone want a downgrade of this beauty? You'd be zombie crazy

PhoebusFlows

In order for games to evolve on consoles, consoles have to evolve themselves. That includes sheer power, storage format, and control method. Thanks to extremely huge hard drives and a control method that will never change, the PC only requires power to advance unlike consoles.

Whether or not the Wiimote is helping to push the industry forward is debatable.

[QUOTE="Corvin"]Sorry its OT but I'm curious what program people use to make animated GIF files like these? They are pretty nifty.PhoebusFlows

I wish I knew too. I got these from the NeoGaf forums. For some reason they are always the quickest with these animated gifs.

cool someone actually made the falcon punch GIF !!!1!!11!! , someone gave the idea in another thread i made

What does RE5 have to do with moving the industry forward? From what I understand about RE5 it plays just like RE4 except it looks better. I suggest you find a better example. Though you are not going to find it because your argument is just mindless fanboy drivel.Ichiroisawsome

Oh so you're one of those "lets keep games looking the same for 10 years." Okay, that's nice, run along.

Even if I mentioned Crysis and GTA4 you'd just say, "they are just like Far Cry and GTA3 but with prettier graphics." And that generalization shows you don't know much.

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Smoke_ManMuscle

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

But none of it was standardized, which is what the Wii is doing to push the industry forward.

3rd party controllers that can do something well don't mean squat if there isn't a development community behind it. That's why no one cares about motion controls on the PC.

I can't think of a single desktop computer that doesn't ship with a mouse...

The Wii games and its controls are just a different direction, but not moving forward. More like sideways.PhoebusFlows

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Corvin

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

Yes because all games supported it and utilize it.

:roll:

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Dencore

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

Yes because all games supported it and utilize it.

:roll:

You don't think the mouse has pretty solid support?

Its funny that we have used this little device for so long that we take it for granted that is it a motion sensing device. No, it doesn't work on 3 axis like the Wiimote... doesn't have to. I'd say it handles the X and Y axis better than the Wiimote does. Seems to do a pretty bang up job of sensing the movement of my arm when I hold it...

Sorry its OT but I'm curious what program people use to make animated GIF files like these? They are pretty nifty.Corvin

I wish I knew too. I got these from the NeoGaf forums. For some reason they are always the quickest with these animated gifs.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Corvin

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

But none of it was standardized, which is what the Wii is doing to push the industry forward.

3rd party controllers that can do something well don't mean squat if there isn't a development community behind it. That's why no one cares about motion controls on the PC.

I can't think of a single desktop computer that doesn't ship with a mouse...

Ummm mouse=motion sensing.

Could I do a sword slash with a mouse like Zelda?

Armour Blocking?

Baseball swining like Wii Sports?

If you can't comprehend the difference between a mouse and the Wii Controller then you really are a fanboy.

I can't believe you even said that what a pathetic argument.

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"]What does RE5 have to do with moving the industry forward? From what I understand about RE5 it plays just like RE4 except it looks better. I suggest you find a better example. Though you are not going to find it because your argument is just mindless fanboy drivel.PhoebusFlows

Oh so you're one of those "lets keep games looking the same for 10 years." Okay, that's nice, run along.

Even if I mentioned Crysis and GTA4 you'd just say, "they are just like Far Cry and GTA3 but with prettier graphics." And that generalization shows you don't know much.

Resident Evil 5, isn't a prime example my friend, at least not yet, from what we've seen gameplay is identical, with new setting and graphical enhancements that take advantage of it, but that doesn't mean it won't totally freaking own, I know I'm freaking giggling like a little school girl over it. And to be honest no game I've seen is revolutionizing anything, on 360, PS3, or Wii, but look at Spore and God looking at it, it screams innovation.lantus

Pushing games forward does not have to be some gigantic magnificent leap. Just the fact you are ""giggling like a school girl" over the RE5 trailer is because it's an upgrade, a pleasing one at that, over what we saw in RE4. Would you (and I) still be giggling with excitement on the same level if RE5 looked like RE4 graphics? Not as much.

I am not saying Crysis, GTA4 and RE5 are replacing all games, but they are good examples (in my opinion) of certain things that couldn't be done last gen. They show a slow yet significant progress in video games. I am one of those who continue to defend game presentation and power when Sheep are talking about shallow things like Wii sales and Wii Fit all day long.

Resident Evil 5 looks amazing and I will certainly be playing it on Xbox 360 whenever it comes out.. but it's a bad example. Gameplay wise it looks identical to Resident Evil 4 (not that that's a bad thing).. but Resident Evil 4 is best played with the Wii controller. The game could probably be done on Wii with more Resident Evil 4 quality graphics (which are still quite attractive mind you). the extra bit of Wii power can go towards supporting what seems to be the extra amount of things going on on-screen, and maybe clean up some of the jaggies/muddy textures from RE4. We all know Capcom can do a lot with Nintendo hardware.

Resident Evil 5 it's a great graphical acheivement and I wouldn't want that to be stripped of that title.. yet whiletaking a huge leap forward in graphics is also taking a potential small step back in gameplay. Resident Evil 5 on Wii could still be made, with still gorgeous graphics (just not as good as what we see now), and with controls that have been proven to be superior. Point is this isn't a game to be talking about the Wii lack of revolutionary power.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.AdrianWerner

Everything that Wii games do also is hardly a step forward though.

[QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Dencore

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

But none of it was standardized, which is what the Wii is doing to push the industry forward.

3rd party controllers that can do something well don't mean squat if there isn't a development community behind it. That's why no one cares about motion controls on the PC.

I can't think of a single desktop computer that doesn't ship with a mouse...

Ummm mouse=motion sensing.

Could I do a sword slash with a mouse like Zelda?

Armour Blocking?

Baseball swining like Wii Sports?

If you can't comprehend the difference between a mouse and the Wii Controller then you really are a fanboy.

I can't believe you even said that what a pathetic argument.

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"]What does RE5 have to do with moving the industry forward? From what I understand about RE5 it plays just like RE4 except it looks better. I suggest you find a better example. Though you are not going to find it because your argument is just mindless fanboy drivel.PhoebusFlows

Oh so you're one of those "lets keep games looking the same for 10 years." Okay, that's nice, run along.

Even if I mentioned Crysis and GTA4 you'd just say, "they are just like Far Cry and GTA3 but with prettier graphics." And that generalization shows you don't know much.

Graphical advancement is only one part of the equation. Using graphics as the totality of gaming advancement is naive and short sited. Don't know much? I have been gaming since the Atari 2600. I bet I know a hell of a lot more about gaming than you will ever know.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Smoke_ManMuscle

Everything that Wii games do also is hardly a step forward though.

Making the controller standard coupled with packing in software that exhibits its functions is pushing the industry forward. If you mean some random 3rd party controller for the PC market that got released 8 years ago, then you'd be right. But nobody cares about it, unlike with the wiimote.

The game looks amazing... yet it doesn't look like there is much change in terms of gameplay from RE4. I was contemplating this exact thing a couple hours ago when playing RE4. I asked myself, what is RE5 going to do new? From what we have seen so far, it looks (metaphorically speaking of course) like RE4 in HD. The visuals are top notch but the gameplay looks almost exactly the same.foxhound_fox

My thoughts exactly. There is no run and gun gameplay, which is what has bothered me about the Resident Evil series as a whole, plus the gameplay mechanics are all the same, run around and kill enemies, pick up some items, solve a few puzzles and fight bosses. Basically Resident Evil feel like an item hunting game like Tomb Raider or Donkey Kong 64 where all you do is run around and grab items to kill bad guys with.

I don't know. If it plays exactly like RE4 with better graphics, physics, and AI I will be very disapointed.goblaa

[QUOTE="lantus"]Resident Evil 5, isn't a prime example my friend, at least not yet, from what we've seen gameplay is identical, with new setting and graphical enhancements that take advantage of it, but that doesn't mean it won't totally freaking own, I know I'm freaking giggling like a little school girl over it. And to be honest no game I've seen is revolutionizing anything, on 360, PS3, or Wii, but look at Spore and God looking at it, it screams innovation.PhoebusFlows

Pushing games forward does not have to be some gigantic magnificent leap. Just the fact you are ""giggling like a school girl" over the RE5 trailer is because it's an upgrade, a pleasing one at that, over what we saw in RE4. Would you (and I) still be giggling with excitement on the same level if RE5 looked like RE4 graphics? Not as much.

I am not saying Crysis, GTA4 and RE5 are replacing all games, but they are good examples (in my opinion) of certain things that couldn't be done last gen. They show a slow yet significant progress in video games. I am one of those who continue to defend game presentation and power when Sheep are talking about shallow things like Wii sales and Wii Fit all day long.

That's what we call an evolution my friend, evolution, not a revolution. :)

[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Corvin

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

But none of it was standardized, which is what the Wii is doing to push the industry forward.

3rd party controllers that can do something well don't mean squat if there isn't a development community behind it. That's why no one cares about motion controls on the PC.

I can't think of a single desktop computer that doesn't ship with a mouse...

Ummm mouse=motion sensing.

Could I do a sword slash with a mouse like Zelda?

Armour Blocking?

Baseball swining like Wii Sports?

If you can't comprehend the difference between a mouse and the Wii Controller then you really are a fanboy.

I can't believe you even said that what a pathetic argument.

Are you such a fanboy that you can't see the difference is minimal? Its still motion sensing. And its not like those game you mention utilize 1:1 motion detection. Maybe I'd actually be impressed if they did. They just supply the same old canned responses that coincide to your arm movement, only you are flailing arms around instead of pressing a button. Simply breathtaking advances there...

A mouse uses a tracking system, not motion sensing that is either done with a track ball, pressure sensitive (laptop mousepad) or a laser guiding system which uses precise directional functions to determine where the mouse is going to go on the screen. You can't swing your mouse around and expect it to move on the screen, because that is not possible. Also the Wiimote works on a full 3-dimensional plane, as in it can detect motion regardless as to whether you are swinging it up and down or on an angle, no matter how it moves, that would be the reaction on screen. A mouse only works on a 2D plane, which means that you are moving the mouse on a flat surface and it getstranslated onto the screen in a 2D form.

Graphical advancement is only one part of the equation. Using graphics as the totality of gaming advancement is naive and short sited. Don't know much? I have been gaming since the Atari 2600. I bet I know a hell of a lot more about gaming than you will ever know. Ichiroisawsome

Okay, I have resigned to your masterful knowledge. I was wrong. We'd be better off if RE5 looked like this in 2008/2009:

instead of this:

The first one is clearly more immersive and better for gaming. All games should look like that in 2008. Crysis, GTA4, what in the world was I thinking Mr Atari 2600 (which I have too, you're not unique you know)

[QUOTE="goblaa"]I don't know. If it plays exactly like RE4 with better graphics, physics, and AI I will be very disapointed.supermanfarr

Um, I don't know, cause I will play it on my 360.

How do you know it's not? It's not out yet.

The lighting is kinda crappy in RE5. I mean look at everything.... it's all white. His arms, black peoples faces, everything that reflects light is white.TheDuffman26

I know right! Look at their eyes, they're all creepy and glowing, I love it!! :D

Okay, I have resigned to your masterful knowledge. I was wrong. We'd be better off if RE5 looked like this in 2008/2009:

PhoebusFlows

he never said that.

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"]Graphical advancement is only one part of the equation. Using graphics as the totality of gaming advancement is naive and short sited. Don't know much? I have been gaming since the Atari 2600. I bet I know a hell of a lot more about gaming than you will ever know. PhoebusFlows

Okay, I have resigned to your masterful knowledge. I was wrong. We'd be better off if RE5 looked like this in 2008/2009:

instead of this:

The first one is clearly more immersive and better for gaming. All games should look like that in 2008. Crysis, GTA4, what in the world was I thinking Mr Atari 2600 (which I have too, you're not unique you know)

/sarcasm

If you ask me, the shot of Resident Evil 5, although correct with regards to the environment, shouldbe a bit darker if Capcom intends to scare people and retain a bit of the old Resident Evils.

Edit: Of course, it's highly likely that there will be night, but it's something to think about.

I didnt say it's all about graphics. After reading the Rockstar interview about GTA4, they said they are glad to be out of the last generation because it opens up more unique ideas that restricted them during the PS2 days. Now you can seamlessly (without load times) enter a building while being chased by cops, break a window, exit from a fire escape, all without load times. You drive away in a car and actually use the signs now (all signs are readable) to make a getaway and go somewhere.

These are not massive things. They are small things, but enoguh to be appreciative of. They are examples of gaming evolution that could not quite be the same with older hardware. So whenever a Sheep is laughing at Sony and Microsoft at their sales, I keep in mind that Sony and Microsoft aren't useless and aren't wasting their time. Games like these that I doubt the Wii could pull off, still propel gaming forward, even in minor steps. That's something not be overlooked you people asking for the demise of Sony and Microsoft.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Corvin

Same could be said for Wii. PC has had competent motion controls for decades.

But none of it was standardized, which is what the Wii is doing to push the industry forward.

3rd party controllers that can do something well don't mean squat if there isn't a development community behind it. That's why no one cares about motion controls on the PC.

I can't think of a single desktop computer that doesn't ship with a mouse...

Mouse isn't motion control. It doesn't register movement like the wiimote does.

You're only saying that one aspect of the wiimote has been done on all computers: the IR pointing. You've completely disregarded the motion controls, which are NOT standard on PCs.

Okay, I have resigned to your masterful knowledge. I was wrong. We'd be better off if RE5 looked like this in 2008/2009:

instead of this:

The first one is clearly more immersive and better for gaming. All games should look like that in 2008. Crysis, GTA4, what in the world was I thinking Mr Atari 2600 (which I have too, you're not unique you know)

PhoebusFlows

These are not massive things. They are small things, but enoguh to be appreciative of. They are examples of gaming evolution that could not quite be the same with older hardware.

PhoebusFlows

nor new, based on Oblivion anyway.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]RE5 looks like RE4 with better graphics. That hardly speaks "I'm pushing the industry forward" to me.Smoke_ManMuscle

Everything that Wii games do also is hardly a step forward though.

Making the controller standard coupled with packing in software that exhibits its functions is pushing the industry forward. If you mean some random 3rd party controller for the PC market that got released 8 years ago, then you'd be right. But nobody cares about it, unlike with the wiimote.

No..that's not what I've meant. Wiimite isn't a step forward. It's not universaly better control method that the ones before it. He is right, it's more of a step sideways than forward. And mostr of all... despite being packed in and videly supported it didn't result in any true new gameplay innovations. They are all the same old games, just with diffrent controler. Nothing truly new. It's like with DS, promised us new never before seen games and while it had many amazing games on that promise it couldn't deliver. It's the same with Wii. It doesn't push gaming forward, it doesn't improve the gameplay itself or anything. It's just a diffrent input method, that's all.

If you ask me, the shot of Resident Evil 5, although correct with regards to the environment, shouldbe a bit darker if Capcom intends to scare people and retain a bit of the old Resident Evils.Technoweirdo

There are still a lot of indoor scenes. If you haven't seen the HD trailer yet, i sugges IGN's site:

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/760/760880/vids_1.html

In fact, in a clever use of the HDR technology, Capcom said they will use the natural phenomena of light radiating more powerfully the moment Chris steps from a dark interior into a light one. The environment will momentarily blind him, and this is where Chris will be vulnerable for a few seconds before his vision adjusts.

In the trailer, the indoor scenes are very dark and terrifying if you ask me. You only faintly see shadows of the zombies surrounding you.

The outdoor scenes still seem scary to me too. As Hitchcock has shown, terror can exist out in the open just the same.