The Wii might turn out to be the next dreamcast

Are you serious? Nintendo's franchises are dead? Last I checked Mario Party 8 was on the top ten list at number one, and Wii has probably sold more units already than the DC ever sold. Not to mention that they are indeed expanding the market, total units sold isn't what they're talking about, they're talking about expanding the audience of the market... and sales of Wii Play, Wii Sports, Brain Age, Nintendogs, and the Wii and Nintendo DS themselves prove that.

The main difference between the Wii and the dreamcast is that the DC had good games, noticably an AAAA one, one of only 4 consoles to ever do so, none of which are this gen.ShmenonPie

You are absolutely right that is the biggest diference between the two consoles. :|

Labeling Wii as the next dreamcast is totally inaccurate. No home console has sold as much as the Wii has in it's first year, that is a fact. Please, the dreamcast, although I love it, is not comparable to the Wii, at least sales wise.

Nintendo hasn't expanded the market as much as they like to think considering that 250$ system has sold less than 9 millions not even the half of what the gamecube sold and considering that the Wii is not intended to have a long lifespan on the market I can see the imminent downfall of Nintendo looming on the horizon, a massive killer sales slump maybe or perhaps a killer blow by the competition ( 360'S Halo3 , Kz2 Ps3 , 360's Mass effect , Ps3's FFXIII,360's Forza , Ps3's GT, PsHome) lets check out the following points:

1) The System was almost maxed out at launch with zelda and will be totally done with ssbb

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console"-only people who are extremely insecure about their masculinity care.

3) lacks variety on it's library-actually from what I've seen it has a lot of variety games for everyone and the hardcore from puzzles, party games, action adventure, fps, fpa, adventure, tech demos, etc.

4) Does not have an appealing online service compared to Xlive and PSN- I can agree that it isn't as great as xbox live or the upcoming home, but as long as I can battle someone online I dont really care.

5) Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party)- wait they died? When did this happen? If I'm correct these franchises still sell millions of titles......what gamers are you talking about?

6) Labeled as the home of remakes-The Wii hasn't even had as many remakes as people believe, but whatever. Not all remakes are a bad thing it just adds to the variety of games.

7) Considered by respected anilysts and most of Gsusers as the console thatthreats theindustry itself with it's low graphic standards and shallowgames.- I dont see how it is threatening the industry when it is expanding it. The game industry was already in a tight hole and Nintendo tried something new to get people to want to play games and respect the art that we "gamers" enjoy.

8) New controller last gen Hardware that will be absolutely obsolete very Soon.- After seeing games like Mario Galaxy I'm content with the Wii's graphical capabilities and after playing Elebits I'm content with the type of physics the Wii can pull off. You people need to understand that powerful cpu's and gpu's is not the only way to advance.

9) Along with all the Faddish qualities it lacks a decent third party support (Many 3rd party Devs make downgraded multiplats and Party games for it , very few are making big hitter projects )-so No More Heroes doesn't exisst? Sadness doesn't exist? Zack and Wiki dont exist? Umbrella Chronicles doesn't exist? Orb doesn't exist? King's Story doesn't exist? Tales of Symphonia Knights of Ratatosk doesn't exist? The list can continue but you get my point.

I encourage you to consider the points depicted in herein and post your coments, is the Wii's self-manufactured failure imminent?-I encourage youto consider my points. Like it or not the Wii is here to stay.

AgentA-Mi6

I stopped reading there.......You're not that bright are you? The Wii has sold more than 9 million consoles in less than a year. It took the Gamecube 5 years to sell 22 million. From the rate the Wii is going I expect it to outsell the GC by the end of next year. I mean the PS3 hasn't even hit 5 million which is a lot less than half of what the PS2 sold......... I have some more answers for you too inside the quote.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Nintendo hasn't expanded the market as much as they like to think considering that 250$ system has sold less than 9 millions not even the half of what the gamecube sold and considering that the Wii is not intended to have a long lifespan on the market I can see the imminent downfall of Nintendo looming on the horizon, a massive killer sales slump maybe or perhaps a killer blow by the competition ( 360'S Halo3 , Kz2 Ps3 , 360's Mass effect , Ps3's FFXIII,360's Forza , Ps3's GT, PsHome) lets check out the following points:

1) The System was almost maxed out at launch with zelda and will be totally done with ssbb

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console"-only people who are extremely insecure about their masculinity care.

3) lacks variety on it's library-actually from what I've seen it has a lot of variety games for everyone and the hardcore from puzzles, party games, action adventure, fps, fpa, adventure, tech demos, etc.

4) Does not have an appealing online service compared to Xlive and PSN- I can agree that it isn't as great as xbox live or the upcoming home, but as long as I can battle someone online I dont really care.

5) Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party)- wait they died? When did this happen? If I'm correct these franchises still sell millions of titles......what gamers are you talking about?

6) Labeled as the home of remakes-The Wii hasn't even had as many remakes as people believe, but whatever. Not all remakes are a bad thing it just adds to the variety of games.

7) Considered by respected anilysts and most of Gsusers as the console thatthreats theindustry itself with it's low graphic standards and shallowgames.- I dont see how it is threatening the industry when it is expanding it. The game industry was already in a tight hole and Nintendo tried something new to get people to want to play games and respect the art that we "gamers" enjoy.

8) New controller last gen Hardware that will be absolutely obsolete very Soon.- After seeing games like Mario Galaxy I'm content with the Wii's graphical capabilities and after playing Elebits I'm content with the type of physics the Wii can pull off. You people need to understand that powerful cpu's and gpu's is not the only way to advance.

9) Along with all the Faddish qualities it lacks a decent third party support (Many 3rd party Devs make downgraded multiplats and Party games for it , very few are making big hitter projects )-so No More Heroes doesn't exisst? Sadness doesn't exist? Zack and Wiki dont exist? Umbrella Chronicles doesn't exist? Orb doesn't exist? King's Story doesn't exist? Tales of Symphonia Knights of Ratatosk doesn't exist? The list can continue but you get my point.

I encourage you to consider the points depicted in herein and post your coments, is the Wii's self-manufactured failure imminent?-I encourage youto consider my points. Like it or not the Wii is here to stay.

gamefan67

I stopped reading there.......You're not that bright are you? The Wii has sold more than 9 million consoles in less than a year. It took the Gamecube 5 years to sell 22 million. From the rate the Wii is going I expect it to outsell the GC by the end of next year. I mean the PS2 hasn't even hit 5 million which is a lot less than half of what the PS2 sold......... I have some more answers for you too inside the quote.

Please, tell me you didn't just say that. Worst remark ever. I may put that in my sig.

[QUOTE="gamefan67"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Nintendo hasn't expanded the market as much as they like to think considering that 250$ system has sold less than 9 millions not even the half of what the gamecube sold and considering that the Wii is not intended to have a long lifespan on the market I can see the imminent downfall of Nintendo looming on the horizon, a massive killer sales slump maybe or perhaps a killer blow by the competition ( 360'S Halo3 , Kz2 Ps3 , 360's Mass effect , Ps3's FFXIII,360's Forza , Ps3's GT, PsHome) lets check out the following points:

1) The System was almost maxed out at launch with zelda and will be totally done with ssbb

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console"-only people who are extremely insecure about their masculinity care.

3) lacks variety on it's library-actually from what I've seen it has a lot of variety games for everyone and the hardcore from puzzles, party games, action adventure, fps, fpa, adventure, tech demos, etc.

4) Does not have an appealing online service compared to Xlive and PSN- I can agree that it isn't as great as xbox live or the upcoming home, but as long as I can battle someone online I dont really care.

5) Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party)- wait they died? When did this happen? If I'm correct these franchises still sell millions of titles......what gamers are you talking about?

6) Labeled as the home of remakes-The Wii hasn't even had as many remakes as people believe, but whatever. Not all remakes are a bad thing it just adds to the variety of games.

7) Considered by respected anilysts and most of Gsusers as the console thatthreats theindustry itself with it's low graphic standards and shallowgames.- I dont see how it is threatening the industry when it is expanding it. The game industry was already in a tight hole and Nintendo tried something new to get people to want to play games and respect the art that we "gamers" enjoy.

8) New controller last gen Hardware that will be absolutely obsolete very Soon.- After seeing games like Mario Galaxy I'm content with the Wii's graphical capabilities and after playing Elebits I'm content with the type of physics the Wii can pull off. You people need to understand that powerful cpu's and gpu's is not the only way to advance.

9) Along with all the Faddish qualities it lacks a decent third party support (Many 3rd party Devs make downgraded multiplats and Party games for it , very few are making big hitter projects )-so No More Heroes doesn't exisst? Sadness doesn't exist? Zack and Wiki dont exist? Umbrella Chronicles doesn't exist? Orb doesn't exist? King's Story doesn't exist? Tales of Symphonia Knights of Ratatosk doesn't exist? The list can continue but you get my point.

I encourage you to consider the points depicted in herein and post your coments, is the Wii's self-manufactured failure imminent?-I encourage youto consider my points. Like it or not the Wii is here to stay.

ShmenonPie

I stopped reading there.......You're not that bright are you? The Wii has sold more than 9 million consoles in less than a year. It took the Gamecube 5 years to sell 22 million. From the rate the Wii is going I expect it to outsell the GC by the end of next year. I mean the PS2 hasn't even hit 5 million which is a lot less than half of what the PS2 sold......... I have some more answers for you too inside the quote.

Please, tell me you didn't just say that. Worst remark ever. I may put that in my sig.

Lol:lol:

I must have missed that when I was proof reading......rofl

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Did you just say, that selling 9 million units in less than a year was a bad thing?AgentA-Mi6

Not at all but with the Wii's lifespan even those high sales migh not be enough to save it when it's hardware becomes 100% obsolete and devs quit developing for it.

if you judge by this point, then you could say that the PS3 and the 360 could be the next Dreamcast, since they're 5%-60% of their respective predecessors.Hewkii

He's running off the odd idea tha wii is going to die after 2007 :| hasn't presented anything solid yet, just claims his crazy talk of death after 2007.

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Did you just say, that selling 9 million units in less than a year was a bad thing?jukieuk

Not at all but with the Wii's lifespan even those high sales migh not be enough to save it when it's hardware becomes 100% obsolete and devs quit developing for it.

Hear about Wii Fit? No matter how much people are hating on it, that will sell so many Wiis that it won't even be funny.

i've already told a few mother's and they are like yeah and i want one, then when i tell them it not out yes, it's unhappy faces.

[QUOTE="ic3freeze2"]

He might actually be on to something!

Both consoles are white

Both have a power button

Both have a sonic the hedgehog game

Both have Japanese developers

Run for the hills the second coming of the dreamcast has arrived!!

kittykatz5k

Both us disc drives, both have online functionality, both are played with a controller :o

the similarities are staggering!

Wait a second, doesn't the 360 fit all of these descriptions very well too!? :o

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="ic3freeze2"]

He might actually be on to something!

Both consoles are white

Both have a power button

Both have a sonic the hedgehog game

Both have Japanese developers

Run for the hills the second coming of the dreamcast has arrived!!

Technoweirdo

Both us disc drives, both have online functionality, both are played with a controller :o

the similarities are staggering!

Wait a second, doesn't the 360 fit all of these descriptions very well too!? :o

One of them must be a poser, or is it we have A SECOND COMING ALPHA STRIKE :o.Race for the hills andget the women and children to safety!

Did you just say, that selling 9 million units in less than a year was a bad thing?Sir-Marwin105

LMAO. Nice.

I didn't read any more of this thread. It should have ended right there.

Good job in getting to the essence of it :)

And no, I don't have a Wii....I'll never have a Wii as it isn't my cup of tea. But I respect the competition.

It does seem to be a fad, like an addon to the last generation, but with advanced motion sensing. If there aren't many mature titles, then its appeal is going to fade away. Perhaps it could make a step into the adult market. :lol: WiiSex

perhaps the fact that the wii is the fastest selling console in gaming history, and is about to overtake the 360 as the best selling next-gen console on the market MIGHT be an indication that maybe, just maybe the wii won't turn out like the dreamcast?

oh what am i talking about. wii sales are going to suddenly halt in 2008, and nobody's going to care about it anymore because the only thing casuals care about is playing their video games in high definition.

Totally wrong for a multitude of reasons.

1) The Dreamcast sold a TOTAL of ~10.5 million units over 2.5 years. The Wii is up to ~9 million in 9 months. At that pace it will triple the Dreamcast's sales.

2) The Wii has way better first party games, and third party support. How can you say it lacks 3rd party support when big companies like EA and Ubisoft have indicated shifting resources to Wii games? The Dreamcast had hardly any of either 1st or 3rd party games.

3) The Wii is not a fad, get over it.

4) The controller is so very very not last-gen hardware. Are you kidding me with this?

5) The franchises are alive and well, see #2. Nintendo has always kept their franchises relatively fresh with each new game while still maintaining their roots. This is why they can get away with making new games for each franchise each generation and still selling like hotcakes.

6) The Wii is not even close to maxed out. When have we EVER seen a console maxed out within the first 2 years of it being around. Never. Games always get progressively better during the lifetime of a console cycle.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

the "Big 4" are all hyped to oblivion by gamers on SW.

Big 4?

kansasdude2009

Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash... you know, Nintendo's top 4 titles? Just like how every console has their top titles, these are Nintendo's.

Zelda, Mario, Metroid, and POKEMON (not Smash) are the biggest 4 Nintendo franchises.

Nintendo hasn't expanded the market as much as they like to think considering that 250$ system has sold less than 9 millions not even the half of what the gamecube sold and considering that the Wii is not intended to have a long lifespan on the market I can see the imminent downfall of Nintendo looming on the horizon, a massive killer sales slump maybe or perhaps a killer blow by the competition ( 360'S Halo3 , Kz2 Ps3 , 360's Mass effect , Ps3's FFXIII,360's Forza , Ps3's GT, PsHome) lets check out the following points:

1) The System was almost maxed out at launch with zelda and will be totally done with ssbb

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console"

3) lacks variety on it's library

4) Does not have an appealing online service compared to Xlive and PSN

5) Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party)

6) Labeled as the home of remakes

7) Considered by respected anilystsand most of Gsusers as the console thatthreats theindustry itself with it's low graphic standards and shallowgames.

8) New controller last gen Hardware that will be absolutely obsolete very Soon.

9) Along with all the Faddish qualities it lacks a decent third party support (Many 3rd party Devs make downgraded multiplats and Party games for it , very few are making big hitter projects )

I encourage you to consider the points depicted in herein and post your coments, is the Wii's self-manufactured failure imminent?

AgentA-Mi6

Pathetic argument.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

the "Big 4" are all hyped to oblivion by gamers on SW.

Big 4?

manningbowl135

Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash... you know, Nintendo's top 4 titles? Just like how every console has their top titles, these are Nintendo's.

He was talking about the Wii. Are you talking about this holiday season or overall Wii franchises? Because this holiday Zelda isn't coming out for the Wii.

Quote from TC - "Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party"

My argument was that all 4 of those games are strongly supported by the hardcore... try reading my original post and it will make sense ;)

Nintendo hasn't expanded the market as much as they like to think considering that 250$ system has sold less than 9 millions not even the half of what the gamecube sold and considering that the Wii is not intended to have a long lifespan on the market I can see the imminent downfall of Nintendo looming on the horizon, a massive killer sales slump maybe or perhaps a killer blow by the competition ( 360'S Halo3 , Kz2 Ps3 , 360's Mass effect , Ps3's FFXIII,360's Forza , Ps3's GT, PsHome) lets check out the following points:

1) The System was almost maxed out at launch with zelda and will be totally done with ssbb

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console"

3) lacks variety on it's library

4) Does not have an appealing online service compared to Xlive and PSN

5) Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party)

6) Labeled as the home of remakes

7) Considered by respected anilystsand most of Gsusers as the console thatthreats theindustry itself with it's low graphic standards and shallowgames.

8) New controller last gen Hardware that will be absolutely obsolete very Soon.

9) Along with all the Faddish qualities it lacks a decent third party support (Many 3rd party Devs make downgraded multiplats and Party games for it , very few are making big hitter projects )

I encourage you to consider the points depicted in herein and post your coments, is the Wii's self-manufactured failure imminent?

AgentA-Mi6

have you taken into consideration that wii is being sold out almost everywhere still? if they can produce more then the number will go up more, its that simple. you fail

[QUOTE="ShmenonPie"]The main difference between the Wii and the dreamcast is that the DC had good games, noticably an AAAA one, one of only 4 consoles to ever do so, none of which are this gen.ic3freeze2

You are absolutely right that is the biggest diference between the two consoles. :|

Lol thats like sigworthy funny :lol:

Your right, selling 10 million units in less than a year is so Dreamcast-like :roll:

ganon546

yeah im rolling my eyes too...because if the Wii was the next dreamcast it would have good games already

[QUOTE="ganon546"]

Your right, selling 10 million units in less than a year is so Dreamcast-like :roll:

Uptown

Indeed, right now I only see ports , multiplats and Party games... -__-...

yeah im rolling my eyes too...because if the Wii was the next dreamcast it would have good games already

Indeed , Right now I only see ports multiplats and Party games -___o

I'm sorry but this thread is just utterly retarded. Do you even see what your saying? The console that is breaking sales records around the world, that has the potential of expanding the gaming market vastly, that is still sold out after months of being released, ... is going to end up like the Dreamcast? What's even more retarded is that you compare the Wii sales after 8 months to how much the GC sold all gen. You fail.

My Guess is that that the wii might actually suffer a catastrophic sales slump when it catches up with the Gamecube's sales , the Wii is a console designed for Families, thats how I see it just like the GC, It may sell 5 or 6 millions more than the GC and then be discontinued for the launch of a new system with the same characteristics .AgentA-Mi6

What makes you think there would be a slump when the Wii hits the 26 million mark? The GC sold about 21.5 million over it's entire cycle. The Wii is on track to surpass that within 2 years of its release. If the Wii continues to sell like it has been for the next couple years it could be set to pass the 50 million mark by the end of its cycle. Nintendo would not discontinue the Wii once it hits 26 million mark just so they could replace it with a new console. That would be idiotic business to cancel a hot product just to introduce a new one.

"the Wii is a console designed for Families" No it is a console designed for everyone, not just families. I know a ton of single people, and couples that own one. No kids around and they all have a Wii at home. There is a HUGE market to sell to when you have a product that is successfully targetting "everyone".

It is inevitable that Nintendo will release a follow up console to the Wii, but that is a long way off, and between then and now the Wii will go well beyond 26 million sold.

Nintendo hasn't expanded the market as much as they like to think considering that 250$ system has sold less than 9 millions not even the half of what the gamecube sold and considering that the Wii is not intended to have a long lifespan on the market I can see the imminent downfall of Nintendo looming on the horizon, a massive killer sales slump maybe or perhaps a killer blow by the competition ( 360'S Halo3 , Kz2 Ps3 , 360's Mass effect , Ps3's FFXIII,360's Forza , Ps3's GT, PsHome) lets check out the following points:

1) The System was almost maxed out at launch with zelda and will be totally done with ssbb.Please provide us a link for this.,or we should believe u because u're a great game developer right?

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console" I guess PS3 is for kids also..just look at ur sig :lol:

3) lacks variety on it's library.How are we around home?

4) Does not have an appealing online service compared to Xlive and PSN.They are working on it, just like sony's working with PSN and home.

5) Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party).That's ur opinion.

6) Labeled as the home of remakes. Ninja Gaiden Sigma anyone?

7) Considered by respected anilystsand most of Gsusers as the console thatthreats theindustry itself with it's low graphic standards and shallowgames. Wow System Wars nows decides for the rest of the world.

8) New controller last gen Hardware that will be absolutely obsolete very Soon.Opinion=/=Facts.

9) Along with all the Faddish qualities it lacks a decent third party support (Many 3rd party Devs make downgraded multiplats and Party games for it , very few are making big hitter projects ).

I encourage you to consider the points depicted in herein and post your coments, is the Wii's self-manufactured failure imminent?

AgentA-Mi6

Sega went bankrupt... Nintendo is bringing in millions upon millions of dollars every day... it is a literal impossibility for the Wii to turn into the next Dreamcast.foxhound_fox

There are odds if you consider my points...

Off-topic...

Holy crap Bgrngod, you have the same exact speakers, TV, and game consoles I have in your sig.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Nintendo hasn't expanded the market as much as they like to think considering that 250$ system has sold less than 9 millions not even the half of what the gamecube sold and considering that the Wii is not intended to have a long lifespan on the market I can see the imminent downfall of Nintendo looming on the horizon, a massive killer sales slump maybe or perhaps a killer blow by the competition ( 360'S Halo3 , Kz2 Ps3 , 360's Mass effect , Ps3's FFXIII,360's Forza , Ps3's GT, PsHome) lets check out the following points:

1) The System was almost maxed out at launch with zelda and will be totally done with ssbb.Please provide us a link for this.,or we should believe u because u're a great game developer right?

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console" I guess PS3 is for kids also..just look at ur sig :lol:

3) lacks variety on it's library.How are we around home?

4) Does not have an appealing online service compared to Xlive and PSN.They are working on it, just like sony's working with PSN and home.

5) Most of it's franchises died long ago ( I meanthey re no longer atractive to gamers Mario, Super Smash B , Mario Party).That's ur opinion.

6) Labeled as the home of remakes. Ninja Gaiden Sigma anyone?

7) Considered by respected anilystsand most of Gsusers as the console thatthreats theindustry itself with it's low graphic standards and shallowgames. Wow System Wars nows decides for the rest of the world.

8) New controller last gen Hardware that will be absolutely obsolete very Soon.Opinion=/=Facts.

9) Along with all the Faddish qualities it lacks a decent third party support (Many 3rd party Devs make downgraded multiplats and Party games for it , very few are making big hitter projects ).

I encourage you to consider the points depicted in herein and post your coments, is the Wii's self-manufactured failure imminent?

-wii60-

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

2) Worldwide labeled as "kid's console"I guess PS3 is for kids also..just look at ur sig :lol:

-wii60-

You twice with the same argument on two different threads...

Fission Mailed again.