The Wii will fail because it has bad graphics

The wii will NOT fail. Why?

Pokemon, Mario, SSBM, Metriod. At the end of the year i will be grabing one.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Many sheep say you don't need to have good graphics to have a good game, yet every great amazing game also was backed up with great amazing graphics, examples include:

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Considered one of the best, if not the best, game of all time, and of course had incredible graphics.
• Metroid Prime - Praised for its atmosphere, which was due to the power of the GameCube.
• Grand Theft Auto III - The Grand Theft Auto series wasn't popular until they went to full 3D instead of bird eye's view, which was due to the PS2's power.
• Resident Evil 4 - Because of the power of the GameCube, this is the first Resident Evil (at least I think) to use fully 3-dimensional in-game graphics, of course is considered one of the best games ever.
• Halo: Combat Evolved - The most praised Xbox game had some of the best graphics when it first launched.
• Metal Gear Solid (series) - Due to its amazing graphics, it immerses people into the game like no other games.
• Final Fantasy VII - The series amazing graphics and videos got RPG's popular outside of Japan, and forever changed the console industry.

These are just a few examples of great games that are great partly due to their graphics. Of course this is not always true. The Bouncer had amazing graphics but trash gameplay, while Katamary had trash graphics but amazing gameplay. But the general rule is still the same. This is why instead of getting games like Assassin's Creed and Resident Evil 5 Wii gamers get Prince of Persia: Rival Swords and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles. Since most of the Wii powered is realized due to the fact it's just an overclocked GameCube, don't expect games to look much better than Xbox games, and because of this expect less amazing games.

Nintendo thought they could just overclock a GameCube, add a laughable online scheme and use a primitive controller as an excuse to make it cost $249, but hopefully they fail. Sure, the Wii is a success right now, but that's only because we are transitioning from the last generation, and are still used to last generation games, however the status quo is changing and the Wii will be left in the dust. The Wii is for gimmicks like Wii Sports and WarioWare: Smooth Moves, while the Xbox 360 is for real games like Mass Effect and Halo 3.

Kakarot00769

this game sold more than 50 million copies worldwide (all versions) the living proof that gameplay >>>> graphics

Mostly because it was a packed-in game for the Game Boy. Short macromedia-flash like games can't help a console survive.

PS1, PS2, DS all did/are doing well and were/are not the most powerful system..chicken008

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

Grodus5

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

Yes Galaxy is def not a conventional game... :roll: 

You crack me up fanboy... get over it the ps3 has already lost.

When FF comes to the 360 ... who is going to be stupid enough to buy a Ps3? well... i guess you.

natebayne

Umm...... wow, just wow. Did you even READ my post?

[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

GundamGuy0

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

Yes Galaxy is def not a conventional game... :roll: 

It's not conventional if it uses the GimmickMote.

[QUOTE="chicken008"]PS1, PS2, DS all did/are doing well and were/are not the most powerful system..beldugo

Ratchet and Clank: Size matters. 

Perfect Dark, and a few others that used the Expansion pack.

Yes your right, but they already look better and people are buying it... do you think they don't know what they are doing? They know the gap in graphics is only going to get bigger... (Unless we get some good looking Wii games)  

[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]Like Madden 07? Or WarioWare: Smooth Moves?

I wonder if your optician needs to give you a stronger lenses because the SMG pic above almost definately can't be done on the GC.AHUGECAT

2 examples - one of which is something you should be doing in real life, and another which isn't as responsive as it should be.

And it could be done on the Xbox, Conker > Galaxy.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

AHUGECAT

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

Yes Galaxy is def not a conventional game... :roll:

It's not conventional if it uses the GimmickMote.

LOL. You've made my day, I love your threads.  

Many sheep say you don't need to have good graphics to have a good game, yet every great amazing game also was backed up with great amazing graphics, examples include:

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Considered one of the best, if not the best, game of all time, and of course had incredible graphics.
• Metroid Prime - Praised for its atmosphere, which was due to the power of the GameCube.
• Grand Theft Auto III - The Grand Theft Auto series wasn't popular until they went to full 3D instead of bird eye's view, which was due to the PS2's power.
• Resident Evil 4 - Because of the power of the GameCube, this is the first Resident Evil (at least I think) to use fully 3-dimensional in-game graphics, of course is considered one of the best games ever.
• Halo: Combat Evolved - The most praised Xbox game had some of the best graphics when it first launched.
• Metal Gear Solid (series) - Due to its amazing graphics, it immerses people into the game like no other games.
• Final Fantasy VII - The series amazing graphics and videos got RPG's popular outside of Japan, and forever changed the console industry.

These are just a few examples of great games that are great partly due to their graphics. Of course this is not always true. The Bouncer had amazing graphics but trash gameplay, while Katamary had trash graphics but amazing gameplay. But the general rule is still the same. This is why instead of getting games like Assassin's Creed and Resident Evil 5 Wii gamers get Prince of Persia: Rival Swords and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles. Since most of the Wii powered is realized due to the fact it's just an overclocked GameCube, don't expect games to look much better than Xbox games, and because of this expect less amazing games.

Nintendo thought they could just overclock a GameCube, add a laughable online scheme and use a primitive controller as an excuse to make it cost $249, but hopefully they fail. Sure, the Wii is a success right now, but that's only because we are transitioning from the last generation, and are still used to last generation games, however the status quo is changing and the Wii will be left in the dust. The Wii is for gimmicks like Wii Sports and WarioWare: Smooth Moves, while the Xbox 360 is for real games like Mass Effect and Halo 3.

AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]Like Madden 07? Or WarioWare: Smooth Moves?

I wonder if your optician needs to give you a stronger lenses because the SMG pic above almost definately can't be done on the GC.Teh_Stevz

2 examples - one of which is something you should be doing in real life, and another which isn't as responsive as it should be.

And it could be done on the Xbox, Conker > Galaxy.

I hate sport games period, and while the Wii version is "funner" than the Xbox 360 version, that's a crappy excuse because sport games are trash.

As impressive as Galaxy's graphics are, it still just looks like an OC'd GameCube game.

[QUOTE="forgot_it"]Grand Theft Auto never had amazing graphics
Metal Gear does not sell because of it's graphics
Final Fantasy VII didn't have amazing graphics either
going by your logic, Final Fantasy VIII should've sold MUCH better and should be loved much more than VII.AHUGECAT

Grand Theft Auto didn't become popular until it got out of bird's eye mode.

Metal Gear Solid has always had incredible graphics.

Final Fantasy VII had the best graphics for a PlayStation game then, a VIII is just as praised nearly except it suffered from hype of FFVII.

He never said the MGS games do not have incredible graphics. He said they do not sell well just because of their graphics. I'm getting sick of this graphic bashing b/s that Wii haters spew. People do not buy a Wii because they want good graphics. They buy a Wii for gameplay. The majority of anti-Wii threads look like this: Wii has horrible graphics, TC posts a few images from games that were not built from the ground up for the Wii and then claims ownage.

It's getting kind of ridiculous. No one claims the Wii is more powerful than the X-Box 360/PS3 and no one ever will. Why? Because even the biggest sheep out there knows it's not. So please stop judging the Wii against standards it never attempted to reach. The Wii isn't about graphics, never was and never will be. When will you haters learn this? Eh?

Here's the reason why it won't fail:
- Cheap price
- Great for families
- Great option to get kids exercise
- Wiimote
- Great companion for either XBOX 360 and the PS3.

gnutuxgnutux

Price is not that good for a overclocked game cube. Better buy the kids a football... it is cheap and they get exercise.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

GundamGuy0

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

Yes Galaxy is def not a conventional game... :roll:

It's not conventional if it uses the GimmickMote.

LOL. You've made my day, I love your threads.  

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Many sheep say you don't need to have good graphics to have a good game, yet every great amazing game also was backed up with great amazing graphics, examples include:

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Considered one of the best, if not the best, game of all time, and of course had incredible graphics.
• Metroid Prime - Praised for its atmosphere, which was due to the power of the GameCube.
• Grand Theft Auto III - The Grand Theft Auto series wasn't popular until they went to full 3D instead of bird eye's view, which was due to the PS2's power.
• Resident Evil 4 - Because of the power of the GameCube, this is the first Resident Evil (at least I think) to use fully 3-dimensional in-game graphics, of course is considered one of the best games ever.
• Halo: Combat Evolved - The most praised Xbox game had some of the best graphics when it first launched.
• Metal Gear Solid (series) - Due to its amazing graphics, it immerses people into the game like no other games.
• Final Fantasy VII - The series amazing graphics and videos got RPG's popular outside of Japan, and forever changed the console industry.

These are just a few examples of great games that are great partly due to their graphics. Of course this is not always true. The Bouncer had amazing graphics but trash gameplay, while Katamary had trash graphics but amazing gameplay. But the general rule is still the same. This is why instead of getting games like Assassin's Creed and Resident Evil 5 Wii gamers get Prince of Persia: Rival Swords and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles. Since most of the Wii powered is realized due to the fact it's just an overclocked GameCube, don't expect games to look much better than Xbox games, and because of this expect less amazing games.

Nintendo thought they could just overclock a GameCube, add a laughable online scheme and use a primitive controller as an excuse to make it cost $249, but hopefully they fail. Sure, the Wii is a success right now, but that's only because we are transitioning from the last generation, and are still used to last generation games, however the status quo is changing and the Wii will be left in the dust. The Wii is for gimmicks like Wii Sports and WarioWare: Smooth Moves, while the Xbox 360 is for real games like Mass Effect and Halo 3.

HeedleGlavin

1. Doesn't matter.
2. Doesn't matter.
3. Not my point.
4. Doesn't matter.
5. Doesn't matter
6. No they don't.

Sales don't determine failure (but I expect Wii hype to die soon anyways). What does are the games.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="forgot_it"]Grand Theft Auto never had amazing graphics
Metal Gear does not sell because of it's graphics
Final Fantasy VII didn't have amazing graphics either
going by your logic, Final Fantasy VIII should've sold MUCH better and should be loved much more than VII.TreyoftheDead

Grand Theft Auto didn't become popular until it got out of bird's eye mode.

Metal Gear Solid has always had incredible graphics.

Final Fantasy VII had the best graphics for a PlayStation game then, a VIII is just as praised nearly except it suffered from hype of FFVII.

He never said the MGS games do not have incredible graphics. He said they do not sell well just because of their graphics. I'm getting sick of this graphic bashing b/s that Wii haters spew. People do not buy a Wii because they want good graphics. They buy a Wii for gameplay. The majority of anti-Wii threads look like this: Wii has horrible graphics, TC posts a few images from games that were not built from he ground up for the Wii and then claims ownage.

It's getting kind of ridiculous. No one claims the Wii is more powerful than the X-Box 360/PS3 and no one ever will. Why? Because even the biggest sheep out there know it's not. So please stop judging the Wii against standards it never attempted to reach. The Wii isn't about graphics, never was and never will be. When will you haters learn this? Eh?

The main reason Metal Gear Solid is so great is because it harnesses the power of its console, remember the early hype for MGS2 and how I think it was Snake who sneezed when walking by powder? Now I do not like Metal Gear Solid (quit Substance after 15 minutes), but even I know it's a technical achievement.

The Wii doesn't have good gameplay, that's the problem. It's good for first person shooters, but what do we get? We get trash like Red Steel, Far Cry and Medal Of Honor, while the PS3/Xbox 360/PC get graphical + gameplay games like Halo 3, Resistance and Unreal Tournament 3.

this is yet another thread where instead of rebutting the threa ditself, sheep take aim at the creator so that they dont have to face the points made.

 it would be nice if they bothered to accually refute the points. which are quite valid imo. 

shadow_lord_11

i can not beleive you just said that re4 was the first 3-d resident evil and you said that the metal gear solid series all had great graphics. have you ever played the first one? and you actually think that graphics matter at all in the end. The only generation where the big system without the least powerful graphics has one was the 4th an example atari 2600solidsnakeo

I never said Resident Evil 4 was the first 3D Resident Evil, and the first Metal Gear Solid had amazing graphics for a PlayStation game.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="forgot_it"]Grand Theft Auto never had amazing graphics
Metal Gear does not sell because of it's graphics
Final Fantasy VII didn't have amazing graphics either
going by your logic, Final Fantasy VIII should've sold MUCH better and should be loved much more than VII.AHUGECAT

Grand Theft Auto didn't become popular until it got out of bird's eye mode.

Metal Gear Solid has always had incredible graphics.

Final Fantasy VII had the best graphics for a PlayStation game then, a VIII is just as praised nearly except it suffered from hype of FFVII.

He never said the MGS games do not have incredible graphics. He said they do not sell well just because of their graphics. I'm getting sick of this graphic bashing b/s that Wii haters spew. People do not buy a Wii because they want good graphics. They buy a Wii for gameplay. The majority of anti-Wii threads look like this: Wii has horrible graphics, TC posts a few images from games that were not built from he ground up for the Wii and then claims ownage.

It's getting kind of ridiculous. No one claims the Wii is more powerful than the X-Box 360/PS3 and no one ever will. Why? Because even the biggest sheep out there know it's not. So please stop judging the Wii against standards it never attempted to reach. The Wii isn't about graphics, never was and never will be. When will you haters learn this? Eh?

The main reason Metal Gear Solid is so great is because it harnesses the power of its console, remember the early hype for MGS2 and how I think it was Snake who sneezed when walking by powder? Now I do not like Metal Gear Solid (quit Substance after 15 minutes), but even I know it's a technical achievement.

The Wii doesn't have good gameplay, that's the problem. It's good for first person shooters, but what do we get? We get trash like Red Steel, Far Cry and Medal Of Honor, while the PS3/Xbox 360/PC get graphical + gameplay games like Halo 3, Resistance and Unreal Tournament 3.

Eh?

The Wii's gameplay is fine. Red Steel is an ok game and while the gameplay is far from perfect it's still good. The other two games don't really count as the Wii controls were tacked on so a quick buck could be made. If in a year from now the majority of Wii games have horrible gameplay I will admit that the Wii is somewhat of a failure. But for now, it's way too early to tell. Give the developers a chance to master building games from the ground up specifically for the Wii.

I'm glad you know the MGS games don't sell just because of their graphics. I was a little worried there. But you should have also included the fact that the games have great stories in your praise. And that's not technical at all.

[QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

AHUGECAT

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

Strider212

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

And what do you get in return? Crap like Red Steel, Far Cry, TMNT, No More Heroes, Umbrella Chronicles, etc. etc.

Yes the companies are making money but destroying the gaming industry as well.

[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]So...

A game that takes its game ethics from real life, even with all that power behind the Xbox 360 couldn't maul a better game than its dubbed 'downgraded' Wii version, is a valid excuse? How a game being dubbed as 'unresponsive' and manages to be a great title is a valid excuse?

Also, I remember you talking about the GC not the Xbox, even though from the vids I've seen of SMG the Xbox would struggle to perfom like it.

I wonder if you play VGs, let alone played those games.AHUGECAT

I hate sport games period, and while the Wii version is "funner" than the Xbox 360 version, that's a crappy excuse because sport games are trash.

As impressive as Galaxy's graphics are, it still just looks like an OC'd GameCube game.

[QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

AHUGECAT

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

And what do you get in return? Crap like Red Steel, Far Cry, TMNT, No More Heroes, Umbrella Chronicles, etc. etc.

Yes the companies are making money but destroying the gaming industry as well.

 Do not call games that have not come out yet crap. You may not be intersted in a game after looking at images and trailers, but that does not mean a game will be crap.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]So...

A game that takes its game ethics from real life, even with all that power behind the Xbox 360 couldn't maul a better game than its dubbed 'downgraded' Wii version, is a valid excuse? How a game being dubbed as 'unresponsive' and manages to be a great title is a valid excuse?

Also, I remember you talking about the GC not the Xbox, even though from the vids I've seen of SMG the Xbox would struggle to perfom like it.

I wonder if you play VGs, let alone played those games.Teh_Stevz

I hate sport games period, and while the Wii version is "funner" than the Xbox 360 version, that's a crappy excuse because sport games are trash.

As impressive as Galaxy's graphics are, it still just looks like an OC'd GameCube game.

I am talking about stuff like Madden NFL, NBA Live, MLB 2K, that stuff, not racers or Mario Kart type games. Although Forza kills Crap Turismo.

Galaxy's graphics are great but pale to Conker.

[QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

AHUGECAT

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

And what do you get in return? Crap like Red Steel, Far Cry, TMNT, No More Heroes, Umbrella Chronicles, etc. etc.

Yes the companies are making money but destroying the gaming industry as well.

[QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

AHUGECAT

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

And what do you get in return? Crap like Red Steel, Far Cry, TMNT, No More Heroes, Umbrella Chronicles, etc. etc.

Yes the companies are making money but destroying the gaming industry as well.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

Strider212

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

And what do you get in return? Crap like Red Steel, Far Cry, TMNT, No More Heroes, Umbrella Chronicles, etc. etc.

Yes the companies are making money but destroying the gaming industry as well.

Yes, that is a bad thing. By expanding to people who don't play games, you're going to get more crap like WarioWare and less masterpieces like Resident Evil 5. This is a bad thing.

Ubisoft has a bad track record with the Wii because the Wii is trash. Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, etc. etc. are all good games. No More Heroes looks to be cheesy while Resident Evil UC is going to be the next Dead Aim.

Why do YOU care if the companies make a lot of money? As a consumer (not a businessmen), I want the best games. I don't care if Nintendo makes $1358551325135. Can you seriously say you prefer Red Steel over Ghost Recon AW 2?

Yeah but there are also almost no good Wii games announced, the PS3 doesn't have a good library but the future looks better than the Wii's GAME wise.

I am talking about stuff like Madden NFL, NBA Live, MLB 2K, that stuff, not racers or Mario Kart type games. Although Forza kills Crap Turismo.

Galaxy's graphics are great but pale to Conker.

AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]So...

A game that takes its game ethics from real life, even with all that power behind the Xbox 360 couldn't maul a better game than its dubbed 'downgraded' Wii version, is a valid excuse? How a game being dubbed as 'unresponsive' and manages to be a great title is a valid excuse?

Also, I remember you talking about the GC not the Xbox, even though from the vids I've seen of SMG the Xbox would struggle to perfom like it.

I wonder if you play VGs, let alone played those games.AHUGECAT

I hate sport games period, and while the Wii version is "funner" than the Xbox 360 version, that's a crappy excuse because sport games are trash.

As impressive as Galaxy's graphics are, it still just looks like an OC'd GameCube game.

I am talking about stuff like Madden NFL, NBA Live, MLB 2K, that stuff, not racers or Mario Kart type games. Although Forza kills Crap Turismo.

Galaxy's graphics are great but pale to Conker.

 That's a lie.

Conker:

SMG:

SMG's graphics in no way pale in comparison to Conker for X-Box. Look at these two images without your fanboy goggles please...you will see a much clearer image. I promise. 

SMG's graphics in no way pale in comparison to Conker for X-Box. Look at these two images without your fanboy goggles please...you will see a much clearer image. I promise. TreyoftheDead

http://image.gamespotcdn.com/gamespot/images/2006/256/915692_20060914_screen001.jpg

http://image.gamespotcdn.com/gamespot/images/2005/170/reviews/914940_20050620_screen003.jpg

Conker wins.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]SMG's graphics in no way pale in comparison to Conker for X-Box. Look at these two images without your fanboy goggles please...you will see a much clearer image. I promise. AHUGECAT

http://image.gamespotcdn.com/gamespot/images/2006/256/915692_20060914_screen001.jpg

http://image.gamespotcdn.com/gamespot/images/2005/170/reviews/914940_20050620_screen003.jpg

Conker wins.

 You are hopeless. I'm not saying SMG looks better than Conker in the same way Gears of War looks better than Conker. But it does look better, even if it's not by leaps and bounds.

[QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="natebayne"]

Hugecat you are obviously a fanboy so there is nothing that can be said to persuade you. You think you have logical reasons for the Wii to fail. Its makes me laugh to read your posts.

the 360 already has the market where ps3 is trying to tread. The Wii is just simply more fun than the ps3. You honestly think graphics mean a damn thing? Remember this day .. when the ps3 fails... the 360 comes in 2nd.. and the Wii wins.

What else ya got fanboy?

AHUGECAT

The Wii won't win. Sure you can bring up the DS but the DS also has conventional games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Brothers and Castlevania to back it up. The Wii is nothing but a failed gimmick.

And what do you get in return? Crap like Red Steel, Far Cry, TMNT, No More Heroes, Umbrella Chronicles, etc. etc.

Yes the companies are making money but destroying the gaming industry as well.

Yes, that is a bad thing. By expanding to people who don't play games, you're going to get more crap like WarioWare and less masterpieces like Resident Evil 5. This is a bad thing.

Ubisoft has a bad track record with the Wii because the Wii is trash. Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, etc. etc. are all good games. No More Heroes looks to be cheesy while Resident Evil UC is going to be the next Dead Aim.

Why do YOU care if the companies make a lot of money? As a consumer (not a businessmen), I want the best games. I don't care if Nintendo makes $1358551325135. Can you seriously say you prefer Red Steel over Ghost Recon AW 2?

Yeah but there are also almost no good Wii games announced, the PS3 doesn't have a good library but the future looks better than the Wii's GAME wise.

Many sheep say you don't need to have good graphics to have a good game, yet every great amazing game also was backed up with great amazing graphics, examples include:

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Considered one of the best, if not the best, game of all time, and of course had incredible graphics.
• Metroid Prime - Praised for its atmosphere, which was due to the power of the GameCube.
• Grand Theft Auto III - The Grand Theft Auto series wasn't popular until they went to full 3D instead of bird eye's view, which was due to the PS2's power.
• Resident Evil 4 - Because of the power of the GameCube, this is the first Resident Evil (at least I think) to use fully 3-dimensional in-game graphics, of course is considered one of the best games ever.
• Halo: Combat Evolved - The most praised Xbox game had some of the best graphics when it first launched.
• Metal Gear Solid (series) - Due to its amazing graphics, it immerses people into the game like no other games.
• Final Fantasy VII - The series amazing graphics and videos got RPG's popular outside of Japan, and forever changed the console industry.

These are just a few examples of great games that are great partly due to their graphics. Of course this is not always true. The Bouncer had amazing graphics but trash gameplay, while Katamary had trash graphics but amazing gameplay. But the general rule is still the same. This is why instead of getting games like Assassin's Creed and Resident Evil 5 Wii gamers get Prince of Persia: Rival Swords and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles. Since most of the Wii powered is realized due to the fact it's just an overclocked GameCube, don't expect games to look much better than Xbox games, and because of this expect less amazing games.

Nintendo thought they could just overclock a GameCube, add a laughable online scheme and use a primitive controller as an excuse to make it cost $249, but hopefully they fail. Sure, the Wii is a success right now, but that's only because we are transitioning from the last generation, and are still used to last generation games, however the status quo is changing and the Wii will be left in the dust. The Wii is for gimmicks like Wii Sports and WarioWare: Smooth Moves, while the Xbox 360 is for real games like Mass Effect and Halo 3.

AHUGECAT

Not 'every great amazing game' had great amazing graphics. I could pull out multitudes of examples if you want.

The PS2 was the weakest machine out of the three last gen, and yet it still won the day. The NES was weaker than the Sega Master System, and yet it scarfed up even more market share than Sony had in its very best days. No one but the fanboys are saying that graphics aren't important. However, there is a point where the graphics are 'good enough'. Are the Wii's graphics 'good enough'? It depends on the type of game being made, the art style, and what exactly the developer does with it. Supposedly most of the current Wii games were made on modified Gamecube dev kits. Nintendo recently shipped out real Wii dev kits, so things may be improving soon.

The Wii is more than 'an overclocked Gamecube'. That's like saying the PS3 is an overclocked PS2 which was an overclocked PS1, or the 360 is an overclocked Xbox. Not only that, to call the Wii controller 'primative' just shows your fanboy bias. It's probably the most advanced controller ever available for a console. It was impressive enough so that Sony decided to tack on a half assed motion sensing system onto the DualShock. Also, the Wii is not failing. It's succeeding spectacularly, and devs are taking notice.

I also find your definition of 'real games' to be lacking, but maybe that's because I grew up steering a little yellow pizza with a piece missing around a maze.

Oh, and GTA III was a multiplatform game from the start. It's just that Sony came along and said "OMG! That looks awesome! We'll pay you buckets of money to make it a PS2 exclusive!" and Rockstar said "Sure!" and shoved the Xbox and PC versions in the closet for years.

Why do I care if more people play games? Because it means more competition and more variety will spawn from it. That's your problem. You only look in the short run, and never in the long run. If more people play, more people will want to invest their time and money into games. Sure, not every one will be a gem, but more variety is a good thing. Just because you like one type of game (Violence-oriented) doesn't mean that the industry should be saturated by it.

Remember when every other game was a WWII shooter? Sure there were some awesome games MOH:AA and COD were fantastic games, but eventually it got old, and developers got new ideas. Thus came Halo, so many people enjoyed that game that another spawn of futuristic shooters came out, and now we have exciting things like Bioshock on the way.

The casuals are the bread and butter of the industry. Hardcore gamers represent a very small portion of the industry, and when the casuals go away, companies take away money and invest it elsewhere. When that happens, you can kiss your Resident Evil 5 gone.

Let me just give you a quick Econ lesson. If the Wii continues selling like it is, we will see companies trying to one-up (no pun intended) one another to create the most intriquing product in order to distinguish it from the others. This means that a lot of the trash that is pouring in right now (I'm looking at you Ubisoft) is going to diminish, and we are going to see more high-quality products. Developers go where the sales are. Why do you think that the PS2 got great games like Final Fantasy and the such? Because it had the most power? Hell no. It held the most opportunity to make money.

/of lesson.Strider212

Yeah more variety... either mega crap like Red Steel or plain crap like WarioWare. The Wii has a lot of potential, but its lack of power is holding it back. Instead of getting Resident Evil 5 and Assassin's Creed it's getting Umbrella Chronicles and Rival Swords instead.

Call of Duty came after Halo, and Medal of Honor was fresh when it came out. Yes those FPS are getting old, but the Wii should be STRIVING on first person shooters since they sell alot. But alas, instead of getting a "killer-app" shooter like Half-Life, Gears of War or Halo we get Far Cry Instincts.

Yes, and when I kiss Resident Evil 5 gone, I will also kiss all that's fun about video games. What's happening with the Wii is the same that happened with Atari in the 80's - too many crap games being made. Hopefully the Wii doesn't use the controller as a rape game like that one game on the Atari.

We'll just have to wait and see.

this is yet another thread where instead of rebutting the threa ditself, sheep take aim at the creator so that they dont have to face the points made.

it would be nice if they bothered to accually refute the points. which are quite valid imo.

shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Pangster007"]Are you serious? Or is this a joke thread?rexoverbey

I am dead serious.

and xbox and cube had better grapchis than ps2 :|

Not 'every great amazing game' had great amazing graphics. I could pull out multitudes of examples if you want. GrlGmr

Okay, do it.

The PS2 was the weakest machine out of the three last gen, and yet it still won the day.GrlGmr

The PS2 was not a generation behind, however. PS2 looked better than N64 games out of the bat, too. 

The NES was weaker than the Sega Master System, and yet it scarfed up even more market share than Sony had in its very best days.GrlGmr

NES was for kids, and didn't sell nearly as well as the PS1.

Are the Wii's graphics 'good enough'?GrlGmr

No.

It depends on the type of game being made, the art style, and what exactly the developer does with it. GrlGmr

Not true, why else won't Nintendo just use N64 graphics then? 

Supposedly most of the current Wii games were made on modified Gamecube dev kits. Nintendo recently shipped out real Wii dev kits, so things may be improving soon.GrlGmr

Hopefully.

The Wii is more than 'an overclocked Gamecube'. That's like saying the PS3 is an overclocked PS2 which was an overclocked PS1, or the 360 is an overclocked Xbox.GrlGmr

No the Wii is literally an overclocked GameCube. The PS3 is totally different from the PS2 (Blu-ray, Cell, RSX, etc. etc.) while the Wii just has a gimmickmote to hide the fact it's just an OC'd GameCube. 

 Not only that, to call the Wii controller 'primative' just shows your fanboy bias. It's probably the most advanced controller ever available for a console.GrlGmr

It doesn't sense motions, take for example WarioWare and Red Steel. The vacuum on WarioWare never works right while the sword fighting in Red Steel is a joke.

 It was impressive enough so that Sony decided to tack on a half assed motion sensing system onto the DualShock. Also, the Wii is not failing. It's succeeding spectacularly, and devs are taking notice.GrlGmr

If devs are taking notice, why aren't they getting awesome games for it?

I also find your definition of 'real games' to be lacking, but maybe that's because I grew up steering a little yellow pizza with a piece missing around a maze.GrlGmr

Sure.

Oh, and GTA III was a multiplatform game from the start. It's just that Sony came along and said "OMG! That looks awesome! We'll pay you buckets of money to make it a PS2 exclusive!" and Rockstar said "Sure!" and shoved the Xbox and PC versions in the closet for years.

GrlGmr

Doesn't change my point.

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

this is yet another thread where instead of rebutting the threa ditself, sheep take aim at the creator so that they dont have to face the points made.

it would be nice if they bothered to accually refute the points. which are quite valid imo.

OpiateE

not really

[QUOTE="Pangster007"]Are you serious? Or is this a joke thread?AHUGECAT

I am dead serious.

[QUOTE="Strider212"]

Why do I care if more people play games? Because it means more competition and more variety will spawn from it. That's your problem. You only look in the short run, and never in the long run. If more people play, more people will want to invest their time and money into games. Sure, not every one will be a gem, but more variety is a good thing. Just because you like one type of game (Violence-oriented) doesn't mean that the industry should be saturated by it.

Remember when every other game was a WWII shooter? Sure there were some awesome games MOH:AA and COD were fantastic games, but eventually it got old, and developers got new ideas. Thus came Halo, so many people enjoyed that game that another spawn of futuristic shooters came out, and now we have exciting things like Bioshock on the way.

The casuals are the bread and butter of the industry. Hardcore gamers represent a very small portion of the industry, and when the casuals go away, companies take away money and invest it elsewhere. When that happens, you can kiss your Resident Evil 5 gone.

Let me just give you a quick Econ lesson. If the Wii continues selling like it is, we will see companies trying to one-up (no pun intended) one another to create the most intriquing product in order to distinguish it from the others. This means that a lot of the trash that is pouring in right now (I'm looking at you Ubisoft) is going to diminish, and we are going to see more high-quality products. Developers go where the sales are. Why do you think that the PS2 got great games like Final Fantasy and the such? Because it had the most power? Hell no. It held the most opportunity to make money.

/of lesson.AHUGECAT

Yeah more variety... either mega crap like Red Steel or plain crap like WarioWare. The Wii has a lot of potential, but its lack of power is holding it back. Instead of getting Resident Evil 5 and Assassin's Creed it's getting Umbrella Chronicles and Rival Swords instead.

Call of Duty came after Halo, and Medal of Honor was fresh when it came out. Yes those FPS are getting old, but the Wii should be STRIVING on first person shooters since they sell alot. But alas, instead of getting a "killer-app" shooter like Half-Life, Gears of War or Halo we get Far Cry Instincts.

Yes, and when I kiss Resident Evil 5 gone, I will also kiss all that's fun about video games. What's happening with the Wii is the same that happened with Atari in the 80's - too many crap games being made. Hopefully the Wii doesn't use the controller as a rape game like that one game on the Atari.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Pangster007"]Are you serious? Or is this a joke thread?kittykatz5k

I am dead serious.

I am dead serious it is not.

[QUOTE="GrlGmr"] Not 'every great amazing game' had great amazing graphics. I could pull out multitudes of examples if you want. AHUGECAT

Okay, do it.

The PS2 was the weakest machine out of the three last gen, and yet it still won the day.GrlGmr

The PS2 was not a generation behind, however. PS2 looked better than N64 games out of the bat, too. 

The NES was weaker than the Sega Master System, and yet it scarfed up even more market share than Sony had in its very best days.GrlGmr

NES was for kids, and didn't sell nearly as well as the PS1.

Are the Wii's graphics 'good enough'?GrlGmr

No.

you dont even on a damm wii

It depends on the type of game being made, the art style, and what exactly the developer does with it. GrlGmr

Not true, why else won't Nintendo just use N64 graphics then? 

BEACUSE GOING BACK IT TIME STUPID

Supposedly most of the current Wii games were made on modified Gamecube dev kits. Nintendo recently shipped out real Wii dev kits, so things may be improving soon.GrlGmr

Hopefully.

DONT EVEN HAVE ALL YOUR FACTS DO YOU?

The Wii is more than 'an overclocked Gamecube'. That's like saying the PS3 is an overclocked PS2 which was an overclocked PS1, or the 360 is an overclocked Xbox.GrlGmr

No the Wii is literally an overclocked GameCube. The PS3 is totally different from the PS2 (Blu-ray, Cell, RSX, etc. etc.) while the Wii just has a gimmickmote to hide the fact it's just an OC'd GameCube. 

NO ITS NOT PROVE IT LET ME SEE SOME SPECS SAME WITH WII

wii browswer, vote channel, mii channel, wifi, reauglar size disc wifi,  bc  new way to play hames two times more powerful than cube.  grapchis are  updatead "ubisoft said wii is more powerful than xbox"

 Not only that, to call the Wii controller 'primative' just shows your fanboy bias. It's probably the most advanced controller ever available for a console.GrlGmr

It doesn't sense motions, take for example WarioWare and Red Steel. The vacuum on WarioWare never works right while the sword fighting in Red Steel is a joke.

well lets look at madden rayman, god father  only a questionable on sowrd good job you played it NO

 It was impressive enough so that Sony decided to tack on a half assed motion sensing system onto the DualShock. Also, the Wii is not failing. It's succeeding spectacularly, and devs are taking notice.GrlGmr

If devs are taking notice, why aren't they getting awesome games for it?

PS3 DOSENT HAVE MOTION SENSORS IT TILIT IN TUMBLE -GBC KRBIY TILL IN TUMBLE

I also find your definition of 'real games' to be lacking, but maybe that's because I grew up steering a little yellow pizza with a piece missing around a maze.GrlGmr

Sure.

GRAPCHIS AND POWER DONT = TRUE GAMERS

Oh, and GTA III was a multiplatform game from the start. It's just that Sony came along and said "OMG! That looks awesome! We'll pay you buckets of money to make it a PS2 exclusive!" and Rockstar said "Sure!" and shoved the Xbox and PC versions in the closet for years.

GrlGmr

Doesn't change my point.

MAKES YOU LOOK MORE LIKE A FANBOY DOSENT IT

ALL MY REPSONDS ARE IN BOLD

Many sheep say you don't need to have good graphics to have a good game, yet every great amazing game also was backed up with great amazing graphics, examples include:

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Considered one of the best, if not the best, game of all time, and of course had incredible graphics.
• Metroid Prime - Praised for its atmosphere, which was due to the power of the GameCube.
• Grand Theft Auto III - The Grand Theft Auto series wasn't popular until they went to full 3D instead of bird eye's view, which was due to the PS2's power.
• Resident Evil 4 - Because of the power of the GameCube, this is the first Resident Evil (at least I think) to use fully 3-dimensional in-game graphics, of course is considered one of the best games ever.
• Halo: Combat Evolved - The most praised Xbox game had some of the best graphics when it first launched.
• Metal Gear Solid (series) - Due to its amazing graphics, it immerses people into the game like no other games.
• Final Fantasy VII - The series amazing graphics and videos got RPG's popular outside of Japan, and forever changed the console industry.

Nintendo thought they could just overclock a GameCube, add a laughable online scheme and use a primitive controller as an excuse to make it cost $249, but hopefully they fail. Sure, the Wii is a success right now, but that's only because we are transitioning from the last generation, and are still used to last generation games, however the status quo is changing and the Wii will be left in the dust. The Wii is for gimmicks like Wii Sports and WarioWare: Smooth Moves, while the Xbox 360 is for real games like Mass Effect and Halo 3.

AHUGECAT

Metroid prime, resident evil 4, and final fantasy 7 were dated even when they were released. People would probably disagree on re4, but it used low res textures all throughout just to keep a good framerate. Heck, its much worse on the ps2. Sadly, the wii isn't going to fail. Nintendo had a great plan to get tons of cash this generation, and they already have gained so much since launch.

On the part i do agree with you though, is the wiis price. If its more than 150$, its overpriced because the technology is last gen. Heck, if you look hard enough, you can get a next gen system for 250$.  A controller and a simple game alone, doesn't warrant 100$. I'd be fine if the wii was 150$, but its too close into next gen territory. Well i own one, so i got to make do with it.