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The Witcher 3 Dev Says the Key With Sex Is to Not Sell Your Game on It

CD Projekt Red discusses sex in games and the challenges of developing for consoles.

With The Witcher series, developer CD Projekt Red has not shied away from the matter of sex, and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt will be no exception. As long as developers are "tactful" about their handling of it, level designer Miles Tost says there's nothing wrong with including sex in a game.

"We make mature games for mature players (every Witcher game is for adults only), and sex is, well, a part of adult life," Tost said in an interview with PlayStation Lifestyle. "The key thing is not to overdo it, not to sell your game with sex. As long as you remain tactful in what you do, as long as you have a legitimate reason to put sex in your game, I think it's quite safe to do so."

CD Projekt Red told GameSpot earlier this year that Wild Hunt's sex scenes will not be interactive, unlike those in the God of War games. The non-interactive route is one also taken by games like Mass Effect, which presents sex in the form of a brief cutscene--though that didn't prevent it from proving to be controversial nonetheless.

Tost was also asked about the challenges of developing the console versions of Wild Hunt, which is coming to Xbox One, and PlayStation 4 in addition to PC. This is the Polish developer's second game to be released on consoles, the first being the Xbox 360 version of The Witcher 2. Wild Hunt is, however, its first game on a PlayStation system, and the first on current-gen consoles. Despite the major improvements Xbox One and PS4 offer over last-gen systems in terms of horsepower, Tost said, "A locked performance budget is one [challenge]--PCs, although I'm not saying this is a best practice, allow you to raise the bar in terms of visuals because you can always upgrade the hardware.

"It's different on consoles, as you have a fixed performance budget, you need to stick to. Also, there's a lot of [technical certification requirements] you need to meet to pass the certification process. We had to learn all that."

Following a delay announced earlier this year, Wild Hunt is now scheduled for release next February. CD Projekt Red has promised not to delay it again, and is showing off a 30-minute gameplay demo at San Diego Comic-Con this week. For more on Wild Hunt, check out our latest preview.

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@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

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@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

Give it 5 minutes.

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Shots fired!

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@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

well its true

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@Shielder7 said:

@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

well its true

whatever floats your boat

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Bioware does nothing else but sell their games on homosexuality

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#10 Shielder7
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@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

well its true

whatever floats your boat

buoyancy

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#11  Edited By silversix_
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@silversix_ said:

Bioware does nothing else but sell their games on homosexuality

I almost feel like I could catch AIDS playing their games.

Almost? You will get them in DA3.

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@silversix_ said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@silversix_ said:

Bioware does nothing else but sell their games on homosexuality

I almost feel like I could catch AIDS playing their games.

Almost? You will get them in DA3.

thats why they delayed it.. to add in game aids

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#13  Edited By wolverine4262
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@Shielder7 said:

g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs

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I think they should tackle it with the approach of that Skyrim mod that lets you rape any enemy after beating them into submission... then get the game banned.

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#16  Edited By Chutebox
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Not to overdo it? did they play Witcher 2?

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#17  Edited By Chutebox
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Just read thread. Already the best ever haha

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#18  Edited By Krelian-co
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@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

But.... do you have gay people crying over their husband? Didn't think so!

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@Shielder7 said:

@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

well its true

whatever floats your boat

buoyancy

Maybe you mean "boyancy" LOL

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#20  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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This is one of the reasons why I don't like The Wticher series or the ppl who claim it's only for smart ppl or some of that bullshit.

They think b/c it's got polygon boobs and the use of "arse" in it that it makes it mature....but in a more mature way.....an intellectual mature way. Hate to tell you....you've been deceived.

I don't need it where it doesn't belong in a story where i'm trying to "save the world" or whatever premise is in most games now-a-days and I certainly don't need it when it looks stupid as shit....even kissing in games looks dumb since the lips look like 2 dogs kissing.

I just can't get into it do to that.

Sex in games has no immersive value.....anyone arguing against it like "BUT THIS GAME DOES IT MATURE LIKE" is just looking at th world through the wool pulled over their eyes by whatever force made him think that was mature.

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#21  Edited By edwardecl
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@cainetao11 said:

@Shielder7 said:

@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

well its true

whatever floats your boat

buoyancy

Maybe you mean "boyancy" LOL

I would have said "boynoncey" but that would be taking things too far.

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The Witcher 2 didn't follow this philosophy.

This is a load of PR crap. Just because sex is a thing in real life, doesn't mean it needs to be put into video games. They don't improve the gameplay at all if they aren't interactive, so i have no use for them.

Having sex scenes doesn't make your game "mature" for "mature gamers" either, lmao.

If the Witcher series had any shred of smoothness and flow to its gameplay, then i would start caring about the series. Oh well....maybe Witcher 4 will change this...

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#23  Edited By Shielder7
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@Krelian-co said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

But.... do you have gay people crying over their husband? Didn't think so!

Why wouldn't he be crying his husbands dead? I don't get where your going with this....

@mr_huggles_dog said:

This is one of the reasons why I don't like The Wticher series or the ppl who claim it's only for smart ppl or some of that bullshit.

They think b/c it's got polygon boobs and the use of "arse" in it that it makes it mature....but in a more mature way.....an intellectual mature way. Hate to tell you....you've been deceived.

Actually their take on sex in the Witcher games is more intune with the middle ages along with everything else they even have natural wheat in the Wicher games. Unlike Dragon age that has GMO wheat and needs to be 21st century politically correct about everything encase some minority gets offended.

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#24  Edited By foxhound_fox
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Only in the US is sex a problem. In Europe, people are more offended by gratuitous violence than normal sexual activity.

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The Witcher 2 had some nice boobs in it.

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#26 Shielder7
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@foxhound_fox said:

Only in the US is sex a problem. In Europe, people are more offended by gratuitous violence than normal sexual activity.

Kind of an ironic statement considering CD Projekt Red is a Europe developer clearly taking a shot at a NA developer.

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#27 foxhound_fox
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Only in the US is sex a problem. In Europe, people are more offended by gratuitous violence than normal sexual activity.

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This topic reminds me why I hate most of the people on this site.

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CDPR are gods. Bow down Biodrones. Sick of all of these social justice simulators.

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#30 Ballroompirate
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If people have a problem with sex in The Witcher games, I suggest you don't read the books cause The Witcher is a DARK MATURE FANTASY. Geralt is pretty much a bad ass man whore in the books and I wouldn't have it any other way in the games.

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@krisroe_213 said:

Sick of all of these social justice simulators.

Are you going to play this game with a Confederate flag draped over your shoulders with your KKK hood on.

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#32  Edited By Heil68
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Topic escalated quickly..Oh my.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

Sex in games has no immersive value.....

It does, actually. That is what Tost is trying to explain and that is why they are including it in the game in the first place. Same reason why a lot of HBO series have uncensored sex in them, because they don't need to restrain themselves from that kind of imagery; while at the same time, they want to include it because it's realistic. People have sex, just like how people kill other people, it's all part of life (hell killing people is not exactly part of life!).

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Not to overdo it? did they play Witcher 2?

Did you? If you're focusing on the sexual aspects of TW2 then you're doing it wrong.

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#35  Edited By Ballroompirate
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Made this to show how much I'm looking forward to DA3
Made this to show how much I'm looking forward to DA3
Geralt - best character ever
Geralt - best character ever

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They seemed very confortable showing off hot women in their trailers and demos. Also, The Witcher 2 wasn't character oriented, so romance will play a much smaller role compared to games like Mass Effect which has its character at the center of the game.

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We make mature games for mature players (every Witcher game is for adults only), and sex is, well, a part of adult life," Tost said in an interview with PlayStation Lifestyle. "The key thing is not to overdo it, not to sell your game with sex. As long as you remain tactful in what you do, as long as you have a legitimate reason to put sex in your game, I think it's quite safe to do so."

^that line is nice and all, but get real. The witcher sex scenes are just as tacky and groan inducing as anything else. That game had fucking wench cards (which were fucking awesome on premise, but shhh). Sex is a part of adult life, it is however never presented (especially in videogames) in a manner that is tasteful.

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@edwardecl:

I was playing the psychology card as much as the word game.

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@smashed_pinata said:

The Witcher 2 didn't follow this philosophy.

This is a load of PR crap. Just because sex is a thing in real life, doesn't mean it needs to be put into video games. They don't improve the gameplay at all if they aren't interactive, so i have no use for them.

Having sex scenes doesn't make your game "mature" for "mature gamers" either, lmao.

If the Witcher series had any shred of smoothness and flow to its gameplay, then i would start caring about the series. Oh well....maybe Witcher 4 will change this...

This....lets take the CDPRdrones down to size a bit.

Both Witcher games do not do sex right, out side the scene with Triss in TW2. It gets really stupid when sex is used as a quest reward throughout the game, and sex is something you earn as a reward, instead of a relationship developing. Whats really stupid is that Geralt can bang the same woman who turns Triss into a little figurine, nevermind Ves steps out of her character in her sex scene, after the act before talking about not cheating on Triss.

Say what you want about Bioware, but at least they do not have sex as a reward every other quest in every act of the game.

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@texasgoldrush said:

@smashed_pinata said:

The Witcher 2 didn't follow this philosophy.

This is a load of PR crap. Just because sex is a thing in real life, doesn't mean it needs to be put into video games. They don't improve the gameplay at all if they aren't interactive, so i have no use for them.

Having sex scenes doesn't make your game "mature" for "mature gamers" either, lmao.

If the Witcher series had any shred of smoothness and flow to its gameplay, then i would start caring about the series. Oh well....maybe Witcher 4 will change this...

This....lets take the CDPRdrones down to size a bit.

Both Witcher games do not do sex right

What, does geralt stick it in some chicks ear or something?

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@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

I think it's acceptable but anything more would be a little too much.

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@shadowchronicle said:

@lostrib said:

@Shielder7 said:

Bioware: but but but we have g.a.y. romances with minotaurs and dwarfs that are politically correct. That's what the LGBT community told us to put in they said that's what everyone wanted.

oh ffs...

let's see how long this lasts

I think it's acceptable but anything more would be a little too much.

I'm somewhat surprised. I thought as a leaping off point it would have just gone down hill from there.

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#43  Edited By nAbaddon
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Sure CD Projekt.


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@RoboCopISJesus:

LOL!!!!

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Wasn't the Witcher 2 featured in Playboy? If that isn't trying to sell a game on sex, then what is?

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#46  Edited By MirkoS77
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Sex is part of adult life, but just like everything else in life, it all takes place in context. Sex included in a game doesn't inherently all of a sudden make it a game for adults by default merely because of its presence. It'd be nice to have the option available to open up given the player's choices, but only be as important as it's relevant to what the game is going for, not just to be there for its own sake (which is how mostly all sexual material I've seen in all games seem to be).

There are many aspects of life in games that are 'adult'. To be all inclusive of these does not automatically make your game so. Context, context, context.

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@krisroe_213 said:

CDPR are gods. Bow down Biodrones. Sick of all of these social justice simulators.

and cue in our resident Biodrone troll

@texasgoldrush said:

This....lets take the CDPRdrones down to size a bit.

Both Witcher games do not do sex right, out side the scene with Triss in TW2. It gets really stupid when sex is used as a quest reward throughout the game, and sex is something you earn as a reward, instead of a relationship developing. Whats really stupid is that Geralt can bang the same woman who turns Triss into a little figurine, nevermind Ves steps out of her character in her sex scene, after the act before talking about not cheating on Triss.

Say what you want about Bioware, but at least they do not have sex as a reward every other quest in every act of the game.

- Criticizes CDPR take on sex says it used as a quest reward instead of relationship developing.

-Praises Biowares "here's gift give me sex" take on relationship developing.

Ok...

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#48  Edited By freedomfreak
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Sex scenes in video games... I don't even know why they do it. Just pan the camera away before it goes down.

Or do it like Ride to Hell where they just keep their clothes on.

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#49  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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- Makes all main heroes america, Everyone else British.

- Main character cliche reluctant hero

- Face design now essentially Solid Snake

- Completely simplstic and cliche combat

- Traditional, but flawed boss battles

- No weapon contact, clipping galore

- Actively dresses woman like whores, who all look the same (seriously it's a copy pasted face) whenever possible

- Game £49.99 (almost double the price of a normal pc game)

Be nice if they sorted all this shit out before attempting to educate the industry.