The Word 'Masterpiece' Has Lost All Meaning In Modern Gaming

hahaah, came to say the same thing.

@randy_lahey: I've never owned or cared about anything Xbox, Mr. Sony fanboy. Everyone who doesn't like Sony isn't an Xbox fan, Mr. Sony fanboy.

TLOU was the first game to combine violence and emotions? Huh?!?

I felt far more emotions stemming from this

Than I did for anything in a AAA game.

Then there was Rimworld, where my own cruelty in that game done by MY hand. Hit me emotinally enough that I did some soul searching and ended up a Vegan irl.

Who the **** doesn't enjoy reading books?

Disco Elysium is one of the few competently written games. Some games do a few things right, but still weak overall. And thus not good enough for me to praise them that well.

I felt nothing in TLOU. Even the ending had me feel little but apathy. I was playing through a script. Scripted Tragedies seldom do little for me. Emergent tragedies on the other hand, hit me far harder. Killing people because i have to and I don't bat an eye. But killing people and I found out I could have avoided the bloodshed, actually provides me with a sense of guilt.

This is what makes MGS3's The Sorrow such an effective boss. The game gives you the tools to avoid killing anyone, but if you do. The people you killed come back for this fight, with the way they died being reflected in the fight itself.

The Last of Us was a good game I enjoyed it but a masterpiece? hell no the writing was cliché and just felt like it was trying to emulate a Walking Dead episode.

@Litchie: lol sure buddy. Mr. “I’m not a Lem”. Bahahaa

@Maroxad said:

TLOU was the first game to combine violence and emotions? Huh?!?

I felt far more emotions stemming from this

Than I did for anything in a AAA game.

Then there was Rimworld, where my own cruelty in that game done by MY hand. Hit me emotinally enough that I did some soul searching and ended up a Vegan irl.

@hardwenzen said:

Only if you enjoy reading books and listening to audio books.

Who the **** doesn't enjoy reading books?

🤭🤭🤭🤭literally every gamer there is? Only fake gamers read books lmao.

Honestly, this post of yours explains so much...

What it explains is that you're a fake gamer. Imagine reading books in 2022🤡Those who do, are the ones that post "gaming is dead" all over the forums and social media. Too old for gaming, so lets read books.

The fact that you gave a "serious" answer to a rhetorical question for one, shows you probably need to read more books.

I don't live in 1988. No time for books. Imagine spending hours reading one lul.

Well, look at it from this perspective.

God of War Ragnarok is estimated to be around 30 hours. A book averages at around 12 hours. Paperback tends to cost around 15 euro.

So what I can do is play Read a book, and play a game like Halo: Infinite for 18 hours.

In this time, I get a story far superior to the quip-ridden MCU-tier drivel that is Ragnarok's sorry excuse for a story. And when gameplay comes, I can play a mechanically superior game like Halo Infinite, which has a much higher skill ceiling. Not to mention, you fight against actual human enemies, not dull as bricks AI with maybe 4 attacks, which makes their stuff super easy to avoid.

For 15 dollars (Halo Infinite is free), I get a far superior story, and far superior gameplay, than I would with some waste of 70 euro. Because reading is good for developing your cognitive abilities, and the more technical gameplay translates well elsewhere, I also get far more from the experience, than I would with the brain cell killing experience that is a modern Sony game.

Ghost should be a synonym for a masterpiece tbh.

"Yo, that game is ghost!"

Ragnarok is only 30hours if you b-line the story. Who does that? Nobody sane. I have like 61hours in the game, and i am nowhere near close to be done with it. This game is packed with content, and its only game journos that set it on easy and rush through the story for a review. The writing and lore is also on another level, so if you're not exploring, you're simply doing it all wrong.

If you have time to do a bunch of dull sidequests, you clearly have time to read books. Not only will it be good for you, but you will soak up stories far more well written than the word vomit put out by the hacks at Santa Monica.

Here, let me recommend you a bunch,

1. Greenland
2. My Government Wants to Kill Me
3. The Sunbearer Trials
4. A Million Quiet Revolutions
5. Hell Followed With Us

All running absolute circles around garbage writing of Sony's MCU wannabes. Once you read novels such as the ones listed above. The writing and stories of the so-called "Video Game Masterpieces", will reveal themselves to be the incoherrent messes they truly are.

That's the thing you don't understand, the side quests aren't dull. You're always exploring extremely diverse environment, fight new mini bosses or enemies, find quality loot worth your time, etc. If only the exploration in BOTW was anywhere near as good as it is in Ragnarok, the game wouldn't be so dull and empty.

hardwenzen defending GOW ragnarok alone LOL!!.

@Maroxad: holy **** do you ever have a dumbo take. We get that you’re upset that you backed the wrong horse but give it a rest already. Go play pentiment lol

Why do you assume everyone who calls the Sony Style AAA game to be some lemming?

A lot of these so called "masterpieces". Are just mediocre action games, heralded for their story, and when you point out the vastly better stuff that gets released almost daily in the book industry, apologists fall back to the "buh... it's good for video game standards" excuse. Nevermind the fact that the game wastes 4 hours of my time telling a story that is at best, a poverty imitation of stories found in much better mediums for storytelling.

Defending? What is there to defend? This game will be remembered as one of the best titles of the 9th gen, have a hard-to-surpass story and is GOTY worth title. There is nothing to defend, the game speaks for itself.

Yet it is being trashed all over the Internet.

This will most likely end up being remembered with the same level of fondness as BioShock Infinite.

LIKE EVERY SINGLE MASTERPIECE THAT'S COMING OUT FROM SONY. Sony bangers attract A LOT of attention, and you're obviously gonna get haters. The fact that you're even comparing it to Bio Infinite tells me you're clueless, so why not sticking to your books instead of talking about GOTY tier EXCLUSIVES?

@Maroxad:

Yep. Hindsight will treat it like Horizon Zero Dawn I suspect.

Nice videogame story and shiny graphics but very outdated and rigid game otherwise.

These aren't games that hold up to repeated playthroughs.

Good thing Blockbusters out of business or Sony game sales would be in the toilet.

One and dones, one weekend, seen all the fun.

@oof85: Redbox and gamefly exist. Sony's not out of business.

Lol. Amazing that this thread got turned into another GOW butthurt thread. This place.

@X_CAPCOM_X:

Way less prolific and not as impulse ready to satiate the customer base.

Driving down the street with the kids in the car and wondering what you're gonna do and what do you see?

The lit up sign with the blue and yellow and white ensignia.

"Dad can we go to Blockbuster? Matt said the new GOW game came out!"

*Take a smooth left into the plaza for a nice weekend one and done, seen all the fun.*

I really dont like determining what games are and arent masterpieces until 10 years down the line.

Remember when Skyrim came out, and pointing out the serious flaws in that game were somehow controversial? At most, I like to use the term blockbuster. Or how strong the initial reception of BioShock Infinite? Before everyone eventually hated it?

Dark Souls was a masterpiece. Its public opinion remained strong throughout. Arguably even getting better over time.

@Maroxad: you’re in a video game thread arguing about reading books

@randy_lahey said:

@Maroxad: you’re in a video game thread arguing about reading books

My point is that these so called "Masterpieces" are usually mediocre-to-bad games with cliche stories that wouldnt impress anyone who has read a half decent book in their life.

Be it BioShock, TLOU and Dad of War.

Also, you should read books. Why play a mediocre Sony title when you can play a mechanically superior game, and read a novel? You will get far better gameplay, from a game specializing at that, and a far better story too, not written by some talentless hacks at SCE.

Same applies to Bloodborne, Sekiro and Elden Ring, but here you are, calling MY Elden Ring as a SHIT game.

Elden Ring isn't held to nearly the same regard as Dark Souls did, nor is Sekrio, and Bloodborne is not a decade old yet.

In fact, as far as Elden Ring goes, the public opinion seems to deteriorate every day.

P.S: Now that Callisto Protocol turned out to be a flop, you have a lot of time you can spend reading an actual masterpiece of a novel. So these MCU wannabe stories we get in gaming will no longer impress you. You can actually ahve some standards for once.

And while you are at it. You can now get Dwarf Fortress instead of that Callisto flop. Which is also a Masterpiece of a game, The early access version is 15 years old and even the EA version was considered a GOAT.

Elden Ring WILL be held to an even higher regard than Dark Souls. ER, just like Dark Souls, was the first souls game to many, and these are the games that preserve their masterpiece status the most and for the longest. Sekiro is not on the same level, but the older the game becomes, more and more people agree about it being a masterpiece. BB is a masterpiece even in 22fps, so yea, nothing else to add, its literally the most talked souls games since it was released. Every single time there's a dumb rumor about a sequel or a remake, the whole internet is talking about it, and that's not something you see with other games.

I will let you play your ant game. I am not skipping Callisto, especially after DF analysis saying its exactly what they wanted it being, and its one of their fav titles of the year. Will let them patch it, and get it a bit later, busy with a master class banger known as Ragnarok, anyways.

Are you seriously trying to imply Sekiro or Elden Ring have even remotedly the same reputation as Dark Souls or Bloodborne?

Elden Ring with its 6.9 User Score (Pokemon Legends Arceus has a user score of 8.1, in other words, higher than Elden Ring).

Your response is so stupid i really wanted to use the stfu gif, but i won't.

YES, and with dlc's and time, it will surpass Dark Souls status. IMAGINE paying attention to user scores on a site i can leave whatever garbage i wanted to. You try too hard to find something negative to say about the game. Reminds me of lems/hermits and Ragnarok.

My worst takes are on par with your best takes.

HIGHLY unlikely. I have seen sentiments and there are so many people who loved it during its honeymoon period, but now might give it only a 7 or 8.

Your best takes are below the average. Your worst takes are the worst on this site.

You're completely delusional if you think ER hasn't achieved everything it could have. Literally plowed BOTW into the ground, and be certain that when the sequel comes out, it will be heavily compared to ER, and it will lose🥱

It clearly didn't.

• PvP community went back to Dark Souls 3
• Dark Souls Remastered, and Dark Souls 3 seem to be having Healthier Speedrunning Communities too. With a pretty big discovery made in Dark Souls not too long ago.
• The game failed to innovate much on previous Souls games. To the point it reuses many assets, such as enemies and animations from Dark Souls.
• On the topic of reusing assets. Elden Ring is one of the worst offenders about reusing assets within its own game.
• Combat is shallow, and HORRIBLY balanced. With Combat Arts many of the strongest combat arts having a low risk and high reward.
• And as someone who has played both to completion. The BotW ER comparisons you make are completely asinine. Elden Ring does some things better, namely combat, challenge and steady stream of rewards. But when it comes to actual world interaction, emergent gameplay and physics. BotW is among the best in the AAA industry.

The game failed to attract a speedrunning or competitive PvP scene. Elden Ring is only really any good for casual play. Let that sink in.

All in all, get over yourself. Elden RIng will most likely not go down as a masterpiece with the way things are going. BotW on the other hand, will probably however.

BotW's public opinion only improved over time, as people realized just how much depth it really had.

You waste so damn much of my time, having to respond to all your shovelware, but i will do this one time.

Don't talk to me about what pvp'ers are doing. I actually play pvp, and for hundreds of hours, i know the reasoning of why things are happening.

1- Pvp'er were leaving at the beginning. Since the last balance patch that lowered the damage across the board, and added the option to invade anywhere in the game even if you're standing at the First Step grace, NOBODY but those that are tired of ER are leaving for DkS3, a game that is inferior to ER in every aspect imaginable (from builds to netcode). Phantom range in DkS3 is so bad that no sane person should ever go back to that game if they want to pvp. So please, don't talk about things you don't understand, and are only copy pasting what you've heard online (probably half a year old posts as well).

2- Dark Souls and Dark Souls 3 are linear games. They will stay more popular for speedrunning. Why should i care what's better for speedrunning? Why are you bringing this up? I'll tell you why, you have a lot of trouble finding negatives, so you talk about random shit not worth mentioning, and you have been doing this since the first week of ER's release.

3- I am disappointed on re-usage of assets, animations, particle effect and sounds, but this is fromsoft, they're doing this with every entry. I have noticed it way more with ER than previous titles, but that's also because i have spent significantly more time in pve doing the 100% run. And nobody said that it'll be some kind of innovative game. It looked like it was Dark Souls 4 in open world, and this is exactly what we got, and with it, it will win all the wards and is considered by most as the best open world game to date. Innovation btw.

4- Yes, they reuse assets, you have already mentioned that, but lets mention it again just to fill up your list of negatives that you have a lot of trouble finding.🤦‍♂️

5- Combat is perfect as is. Its you who is shallow lol. Weapon arts from the likes of Moonveil are borken for pve. Bleed builds are broken for pve. Its been almost a whole year, and they weren't changed. This, without a doubt, is their way of offering Easy Mode/Journalist Mode without it being officially in the game. I hate it, i like to see absolutely everyone suffer like in Sekiro, but other than bitch about it (and trust me, i do everywhere), there is nothing that can be done, and this does not apply to pvp anymore because balance is now split between pvp and pve.

6- I can tell you're sweating every time i compare BOTW to ER, because you know that BOTW doesn't do anything better (unless physics is what you consider as a selling point), and that's why ever since ER came out, everyone forgot BOTW was even a thing. I will continue comparing the two so you sweat some more for me😅

Go read a god damn book, maroxad.

@hardwenzen

Yeah, PvP'ers have been leaving from the beginning because it is obviously clear the game isn't very good for PvP. And no, mechanically speaking Dark Souls 3 was a lot better, if only for superior balance, and a lot less gamebreaking bugs. You do realize the most popular games for speedrunning are MineCraft and Super Mario 64, right? Your point falls flat. BotW too, has maintained a healthy speedrunning scene over the past 6 years. And yes, technical, high level play may be irrelevant for a casual gamers. But for people who care about an actual competitiveness to inspire them to get better. Speedrunning is the best way to do so in a PvE focused game.

Elden Ring Combat Mechanics are only good if you have never played any half decent action game before. Rolling is OP enough that it is a basically a get out of jail card. Stamina regenerates fast enough it is hard to get in a bad spot (and even then you have the roll combat art), offense in Elden Ring is braindead, with a good chunk of weapons only having one or 2 good attacks. And Weapon Arts are low risk but high reward trivializing most combat encounters. Oh wow, half a year after release they only just realized that splitting PvP and PvE balance is a good idea. Guild Wars 1 figured that out almost 2 decades ago.

Elden Ring is no masterpiece. It was a deeply flawed rehash. Right down to its core mechanics. Souls mechanics were good 13 years ago with Demons' Souls. In 2022 they are rather unremarkable/unimpressive.

But maybe I should read a book. The Shadow of The Gods is a FAR better Norse Saga-esque story than GoW: Ragnarok will ever be. But then again, this comes from someone who knows what an actual good story looks like. And you mocking people who read will always be hilarious, and I don't think you realize just how poorly it reflects on you.