The word 'RPG' can scare people off Mass Effect 2

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"][QUOTE="DeadMagazines"]So it's a bad thing they want the combat to be more fluid and fun? Wow cry more? I guess you'd rather go back to swords and magic :lol: SparkyProtocol

I am not going to complain that they are trying to refine the gameplay, LOL. Just because the game actually plays better, it does not mean that it will be any less of an RPG in other areas. "Oh NoEz, aN RPG cANnOt haVE goOd gaEmplaY." Come on, fellas.

ironcreed

Optional second title: Halo gamers will love Mass Effect 2.

Polish website polygamia.pl has interviewed Heather Rabatich on Mass Effect (English version on the right). Quoting for the win:

I think that today's gaming audience is more and more sophisticated. [...] While the missions in Mass Effect 2 are very combat-oriented and play like a first-person shooter, that's just to make the gameplay more enjoyable.
[...]
I think your skills as a player do transfer into the skills of your character.
[...]
We've made a few key improvements [over the first Mass Effect]. There is no other game around that has this amount of reality within the digital actors, it's beautiful cinematically, the scenes are set up beautifully, the characters show emotions without speaking.
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We are trying to make the game more accessible to people. [...] because it's a first person shooter, it is a more attractive game, as the word "RPG" can scare people off from playing a game because they think it's going to be boring.
[...]

Your Halo gamer would love this game, because again, it's a more sophisticated gaming audience now.

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devious742

And people actually get mad with me when i say that ME is not an RPG

ME1 was already pretty light on the RPG mechanics. Looks like this is turning into Gears of War with a dialog system. Great.

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[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

I am not going to complain that they are trying to refine the gameplay, LOL. Just because the game actually plays better, it does not mean that it will be any less of an RPG in other areas. "Oh NoEz, aN RPG cANnOt haVE goOd gaEmplaY." Come on, fellas.

mirgamer

Well, it is no secret that Mass Effect was an action RPG. Personally, I have no problem with them trying to make the action portion of the game have better gameplay in Mass Effect 2. I do not think that will hamper the choices and consequences, customization and other RPG elements that will still remain intact.

They're becoming more sophistocated, and yet they get scared away from the word "RPG?" This doesn't even make any sense. It's pretty much indicating that Bioware doesn't have a whole hell of a lot of respect for their customer base. What is this, an action-RPG? Talk about devolution. Gamers are becoming so sophisticated all they can understand is "boom, boom," and RPGs are becoming so sophisticated that Halo fans love them.Brownesque

Halo fans have always liked RPGs, Racers, Fighters, Strategy, etc. Stop making it sound like every gamer is so ignorant that they can only stick to one type of game. Kind of like how people don't want a Role Playing game with a fun combat system similar to a shooter. :?

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]They're becoming more sophistocated, and yet they get scared away from the word "RPG?" This doesn't even make any sense. It's pretty much indicating that Bioware doesn't have a whole hell of a lot of respect for their customer base. What is this, an action-RPG? Talk about devolution. Gamers are becoming so sophisticated all they can understand is "boom, boom," and RPGs are becoming so sophisticated that Halo fans love them.SparkyProtocol

Halo fans have always liked RPGs, Racers, Fighters, Strategy, etc. Stop making it sound like every gamer is so ignorant that they can only stick to one type of game. Kind of like how people don't want a Role Playing game with a fun combat system similar to a shooter. :?

Rally? I navr hrd ov dat.

While the comment about halo players was pretty dumb, I don't understand why people see improving the combat as being a bad thing, it was something that clearly needed improving off the first one. I don't remember anyone going "oh man, mass effects storytelling sucked".

So it's a third person shooter at heart with RPG elements.. None of this making it accessible for more people bullcrap. I don't want half an RPG. I want a full RPG or nothing. I think it being more of a TPS will "scare" off people that like RPGs.

Clicking through 4 menus to shoot is hardcore.

So it's a third person shooter at heart with RPG elements.. None of this making it accessible for more people bullcrap. I don't want half an RPG. I want a full RPG or nothing. I think it being more of a TPS will "scare" off people that like RPGs.

Crossel777

Clicking through 4 menus to shoot is hardcore.

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

So it's a third person shooter at heart with RPG elements.. None of this making it accessible for more people bullcrap. I don't want half an RPG. I want a full RPG or nothing. I think it being more of a TPS will "scare" off people that like RPGs.

topgunmv

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]They're becoming more sophistocated, and yet they get scared away from the word "RPG?" This doesn't even make any sense. It's pretty much indicating that Bioware doesn't have a whole hell of a lot of respect for their customer base. What is this, an action-RPG? Talk about devolution. Gamers are becoming so sophisticated all they can understand is "boom, boom," and RPGs are becoming so sophisticated that Halo fans love them.SparkyProtocol

Halo fans have always liked RPGs, Racers, Fighters, Strategy, etc. Stop making it sound like every gamer is so ignorant that they can only stick to one type of game. Kind of like how people don't want a Role Playing game with a fun combat system similar to a shooter. :?

Did he just say Halo gamers are sophisticated?

Blue-Sky

Did he just say Halo gamers are sophisticated?

Blue-Sky

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

Archang3l_666

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

[QUOTE="Archang3l_666"]

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

Yandere

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

I'm talking about how the genre should be, not the name not action games with some stats.

The player should never have direct control over the character. The player is just someone who's just telling the character what to do and what to say. How well you can aim in a FPS should never matter because it's not you the one aiming. And the success of an action should never be determined by your skill at some mini-game, but by your character's stats.

To me The Sims has more RPG elements than most of today's games (Mass Effect, Fallout 3, etc). It's not that they're bad games, just not really RPGs.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Archang3l_666"]

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

I'm talking about how the genre should be, not the name not action games with some stats.

The player should never have direct control over the character. The player is just someone who's just telling the character what to do and what to say. How well you can aim in a FPS should never matter because it's not you the one aiming. And the success of an action should never be determined by your skill at some mini-game, but by your character's stats.

To me The Sims has more RPG elements than most of today's games (Mass Effect, Fallout 3, etc). It's not that they're bad games, just not really RPGs.

[QUOTE="Archang3l_666"]

I'm talking about how the genre should be, not the name not action games with some stats.

The player should never have direct control over the character. The player is just someone who's just telling the character what to do and what to say. How well you can aim in a FPS should never matter because it's not you the one aiming. And the success of an action should never be determined by your skill at some mini-game, but by your character's stats.

To me The Sims has more RPG elements than most of today's games (Mass Effect, Fallout 3, etc). It's not that they're bad games, just not really RPGs.

SparkyProtocol

No it doesn't. You have a lot of stats, yes, but they really don't do much. Pre-Vegas R6 games relied heavier on stats and they didn't self-proclaimed themselves RPGs.

Mass Effect and other "modern", so to say, RPGs are good games and will always be good games. But, at least to me, they'll be less of an RPG than R6 is.

Did he just say Halo gamers are sophisticated?

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="Archang3l_666"]

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

Yandere

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

RPGs in the east aren't RPGs

Mass effect is still more of an RPG than JRPGs :lol:
Even Oblivion is more of an RPG than almost every JRPG

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Archang3l_666"]

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

swazidoughman

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

RPGs in the east are RPGs

Mass effect is still more of an TPS than RPG :lol:
Even Oblivion is more of an action game than almost every RPG

How? Turn based combat in JRPGs are more like traditional RPGs then action combat in WRPGs.

P.S. Edited that for you.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Archang3l_666"]

Well, it's final... the RPG genre is almost dead. At least on consoles.

swazidoughman

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

RPGs in the east aren't RPGs

Mass effect is still more of an RPG than JRPGs :lol:
Even Oblivion is more of an RPG than almost every JRPG

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Nah, it's just not very popular in the WEST right now.

Yandere

RPGs in the east are RPGs

Mass effect is still more of an TPS than RPG :lol:
Even Oblivion is more of an action game than almost every RPG

How? Turn based combat in JRPGs are more like traditional RPGs then action combat in WRPGs.

P.S. Edited that for you.

:lol:

No.

Traditional pen and paper roleplaying games are turn based because it would be ridiculous to do all that stuff in real time without a computer.

Turn based combat in a traditional JRPG is nothing like the turn based combat of a game like D&D, and in fact if it where practical in most situations then Traditional RPGs would be totally real time.

I'm not defending Mass Effect or anything, and I think that it actually sucks, but honestly, thinking that it has less roleplaying elements than a JRPG is hilarious.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="Archang3l_666"]

I'm talking about how the genre should be, not the name not action games with some stats.

The player should never have direct control over the character. The player is just someone who's just telling the character what to do and what to say. How well you can aim in a FPS should never matter because it's not you the one aiming. And the success of an action should never be determined by your skill at some mini-game, but by your character's stats.

To me The Sims has more RPG elements than most of today's games (Mass Effect, Fallout 3, etc). It's not that they're bad games, just not really RPGs.

No it doesn't. You have a lot of stats, yes, but they really don't do much. Pre-Vegas R6 games relied heavier on stats and they didn't self-proclaimed themselves RPGs.

Mass Effect and other "modern", so to say, RPGs are good games and will always be good games. But, at least to me, they'll be less of an RPG than R6 is.

No.. Well yes lol. Identity crises here sorry lol.

Also how much did Mass Effect sell if anyone knows?

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

RPGs in the east are RPGs

Mass effect is still more of an TPS than RPG :lol:
Even Oblivion is more of an action game than almost every RPG

swazidoughman

How? Turn based combat in JRPGs are more like traditional RPGs then action combat in WRPGs.

P.S. Edited that for you.

:lol:

No.

Traditional pen and paper roleplaying games are turn based because it would be ridiculous to do all that stuff in real time without a computer.

Turn based combat in a traditional JRPG is nothing like the turn based combat of a game like D&D, and in fact if it where practical in most situations then Traditional RPGs would be totally real time.

I'm not defending Mass Effect or anything, and I think that it actually sucks, but honestly, thinking that it has less roleplaying elements than a JRPG is hilarious.

Give examples

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

How? Turn based combat in JRPGs are more like traditional RPGs then action combat in WRPGs.

P.S. Edited that for you.

Yandere

:lol:

No.

Traditional pen and paper roleplaying games are turn based because it would be ridiculous to do all that stuff in real time without a computer.

Turn based combat in a traditional JRPG is nothing like the turn based combat of a game like D&D, and in fact if it where practical in most situations then Traditional RPGs would be totally real time.

I'm not defending Mass Effect or anything, and I think that it actually sucks, but honestly, thinking that it has less roleplaying elements than a JRPG is hilarious.

Give examples

Well, in a JRPG your characters are generally lined up and cant move anywhere else unless they attack, but of course after attacking you just move back to whatever spot you where in before (Most FF games, DQ, Golden Sun etc)

In a traditional RPG like D&D you are given a board (usually represents a dungeon of sorts) and the player can move in anyway they please just as long as they don't go over their max movement distance.
Monsters (who can move just as well as the players) can appear anywhere (and are not random encounters), and what movements the player uses can affect the outcome

Roleplaying in most JRPGs is simply impossible because everything from the characters, to the world is preset.
Sometimes there is limited customization for character skills like the Materia system in FFVII, but that's not really roleplaying because no matter how you set that you're still generic JRPG character #293845

Many western RPGs including mass effect allow for customization of appearance, skills, and character background story.
Western RPGs usually have a more open play sty1e that allows the player to fill any role he or she desires.
Also, the world in western RPGs is often less static than the worlds you see in JRPGS.
Sometimes past player actions can change the way random NPCs react to the player character.

Basically, most JRPGs lack actual roleplaying elements, and they are essentially just adventure games with stats.
I don't dislike JRPGs, I just dislike their title.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

:lol:

No.

Traditional pen and paper roleplaying games are turn based because it would be ridiculous to do all that stuff in real time without a computer.

Turn based combat in a traditional JRPG is nothing like the turn based combat of a game like D&D, and in fact if it where practical in most situations then Traditional RPGs would be totally real time.

I'm not defending Mass Effect or anything, and I think that it actually sucks, but honestly, thinking that it has less roleplaying elements than a JRPG is hilarious.

swazidoughman

Give examples

Well, in a JRPG your characters are generally lined up and cant move anywhere else unless they attack, but of course after attacking you just move back to whatever spot you where in before (Most FF games, DQ, Golden Sun etc)

In a traditional RPG like D&D you are given a board (usually represents a dungeon of sorts) and the player can move in anyway they please just as long as they don't go over their max movement distance.
Monsters (who can move just as well as the players) can appear anywhere (and are not random encounters), and what movements the player uses can affect the outcome

Roleplaying in most JRPGs is simply impossible because everything from the characters, to the world is preset.
Sometimes there is limited customization for character skills like the Materia system in FFVII, but that's not really roleplaying because no matter how you set that you're still generic JRPG character #293845

Many western RPGs including mass effect allow for customization of appearance, skills, and character background story.
Western RPGs usually have a more open play sty1e that allows the player to fill any role he or she desires.
Also, the world in western RPGs is often less static than the worlds you see in JRPGS.
Sometimes past player actions can change the way random NPCs react to the player character.

Basically, most JRPGs lack actual roleplaying elements, and they are essentially just adventure games with stats.
I don't dislike JRPGs, I just dislike their title.

Not nessisarly true, in quite a few JRPGs you can move during battle, such as Tactical RPGs/Action RPGs.

I don't necessarily call "roleplaying" 'being the character', but now more then ever JRPGs are letting you decide your own actions because of devs implying visual novel/dating sim elements.. Not all JRPGs have limited customization, like the Disagea series.. It has more customization then any RPG I've ever seen, and many WRPGs have very limited or if any customization also.

Most JRPGs are more story orientated then WRPGs, so that is true, only because currently that surfaces the story.

I don't think they lack roleplaying elements, it's just another sub genre, sub genres expand and differentiate itself genre.. They aren't there to be the same, they're supposed to expand.. Just like how Grindcore doesn't sound like Traditional Metal, but the genre expanded and created it, it doesn't sound like it but it still is.

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Give examples

Yandere

Well, in a JRPG your characters are generally lined up and cant move anywhere else unless they attack, but of course after attacking you just move back to whatever spot you where in before (Most FF games, DQ, Golden Sun etc)

In a traditional RPG like D&D you are given a board (usually represents a dungeon of sorts) and the player can move in anyway they please just as long as they don't go over their max movement distance.
Monsters (who can move just as well as the players) can appear anywhere (and are not random encounters), and what movements the player uses can affect the outcome

Roleplaying in most JRPGs is simply impossible because everything from the characters, to the world is preset.
Sometimes there is limited customization for character skills like the Materia system in FFVII, but that's not really roleplaying because no matter how you set that you're still generic JRPG character #293845

Many western RPGs including mass effect allow for customization of appearance, skills, and character background story.
Western RPGs usually have a more open play sty1e that allows the player to fill any role he or she desires.
Also, the world in western RPGs is often less static than the worlds you see in JRPGS.
Sometimes past player actions can change the way random NPCs react to the player character.

Basically, most JRPGs lack actual roleplaying elements, and they are essentially just adventure games with stats.
I don't dislike JRPGs, I just dislike their title.

Not nessisarly true, in quite a few JRPGs you can move during battle, such as Tactical RPGs/Action RPGs.

I don't necessarily call "roleplaying" 'being the character', but now more then ever JRPGs are letting you decide your own actions because of devs implying visual novel/dating sim elements.. Not all JRPGs have limited customization, like the Disagea series.. It has more customization then any RPG I've ever seen, and many WRPGs have very limited or if any customization also.

Most JRPGs are more story orientated then WRPGs, so that is true, only because currently that surfaces the story.

I don't think they lack roleplaying elements, it's just another sub genre, sub genres expand and differentiate itself genre.. They aren't there to be the same, they're supposed to expand.. Just like how Grindcore doesn't sound like Traditional Metal, but the genre expanded and created it, it doesn't sound like it but it still is.

True, but most of the time Jrpgs follow the standard DQ sty1e combat and I'm really taking more about the average JRPG as I am talking about the average WRPG.

It's difficult to have a proper role playing environment when you cant be specific about character traits, and while it is good that JRPGs are opening up a bit more, they still aren't on the same level as most WRPGs.

They totally do lack roleplaying elements.
Like I said before, JRPGs are often very static and don't allow the player to mold a character after their own wants, which is exactly why they are more just adventure games.